Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 April 6

= April 6 =

youtube not working
What is causing Youtube not working any more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.169.5.159 (talk) 05:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Still works for me. Anyway, this is the page for asking questions about Wikipedia. For questions about anything else, you can try asking on the reference desk. Or you can look for a way to ask Youtube itself. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Since a trace of your IP address puts you in China, the most likely explanation is that the government blocked the access to it. Most likely in response to some people posting videos of Tibetan protests and the government's response to them. - Mgm|(talk) 07:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Chinese government has also blocked Wikipedia from time to time, so you're lucky you could get to us. See:
 * Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China
 * Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China
 * --Teratornis (talk) 20:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Where to write a new article
I've read all the tutorials and still cannot find the place where I can submit a new article. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nfleischer (talk • contribs) 08:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * See Your first article —teb728 t c 08:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * (ec)Have you read Your first article? You can create an article by typing the title into the search bar, and then clicking the link to "Create this page." But I'd still recommend reading that page if you haven't; it provides some useful information that can help prevent having your article deleted. Someguy1221 (talk) 08:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You will need 10 edits before you can create an article yourself. You could either make a few practice edits, or you could use Articles for creation. —teb728 t c 08:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Autonconfirmation is needed to move articles. Any registered user can create new pages. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 08:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Check some edits, please
 Zoo Fari  21:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Could someone please check the last few edits of the Briana Banks article. I'm at work and while I'm fine with viewing that article from here, I don't feel comfortable checking the sources that are provided for the info that is being changed from my workplace. Thanks, Dismas |(talk) 08:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nevermind... I'm home now and someone got it.  Dismas |(talk) 12:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Weird message from the EU wiki?
Hey.. I just got this email from the eu wiki. I wouldn't have a clue what it says. Anyone able to help me out? I don't think I've ever even visited the eu wiki. Google tells me it is the 'Basque' language.. but I can't find a translator that works with it? Anyone else got a similar message? I've posted it at User:Deon555/EUemail. Cheers &mdash; Deon555talkI'm BACK!  09:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Try the language section of the refdesk. Maybe someone registered at the Basque wikipedia with your email address and this is just the standard intro email? Zain Ebrahim (talk) 10:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do, cheers. &mdash; Deon555talkI'm BACK!  10:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know the language but if you have unified login then you may be recognized and get a welcome email or similar if you view any page in a Wikipedia language. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's a possibility. Cheers, PrimeHunter. &mdash; Deon555talkI'm BACK!  11:43, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Resolved :) &mdash; Deon555talkI'm BACK!  11:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Using or translating foreign place names
I was wondering if there was a convention, discussion or some such about how to deal with the names of german (or other) places in the english Wikipedia. Some german places have english names, like Munich, but is it really necessary to translate everything that can be translated? (Even so, should it not be done consistently?) In my opinion (being german) certainly not, but I am wondering. Anyhow, an encyclopedia should list the names - not translations. If such a guideline (or similar) that I could refer to exists, I sure would like to know where. KapHorn (talk) 10:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a long shot, but try WP:MOSNAME. &mdash; Deon555talkI'm BACK!  10:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Specifically, Naming_conventions_(use_English) &mdash; Deon555talk</b><sub style="color:brown;">I'm BACK!  10:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Our Listing
Hi

I work for a private bank called Kleinwort Benson and I recently realised that we are listed under Defunct Financial Institutions which we are not and would like to be removed from this listing

Thanks

Zoe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.127.8.17 (talk) 13:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the link to Category:Defunct financial services companies of the United Kingdom. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 13:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Posting links to images
Can I create a Wikilink that, when clicked, shows an existing image file? My preferred link to click is the name of the file itself. (Usually the link shows the image without being clicked.) I think I've seen it done, but I don't remember where. Lou Sander (talk) 14:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * File:5051 Earl Bathurst Cocklewood Harbour.jpg. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)  produces File:Lou Sander.jpg.   produces Media:Lou Sander.jpg PrimeHunter (talk) 14:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Lou Sander (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

biliary cyst
biliary cyct —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.169.129 (talk) 14:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.  TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  14:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * But note, we cannot give medical advice. – ukexpat (talk) 17:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Why does Italian wikipedia act up like this?
Hopefully someone can help out this en.wiki user here, because I don't know enough Italian to ask at it.wiki! I have built templates to request expansion of foreign language articles. The Italian ones don't seem to work properly, though, and I think it has to do with the settings of it.wiki (because I've experienced a similar problem using the toolserver interwiki link builder with it.wiki). See 2002 Molise earthquake, for example, and click on "translate via google". You get a strange redirection error. Not sure what is happening here. The same occurs if you go to translate.google.com and paste in the URL directly. This error does not occur with other wikis (see e.g. 2006 Zoufftgen train collision). Anyone know what's going on here? Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * On the Italian Wikipedia, they have included code  that causes you to be redirected if you attempt to view a page through a frame. This seems to be because a website http://www.wikipedia.it is attempting to frame the Italian Wikipedia. Unfortunately, a side effect of this is that Google translate doesn't work properly. You can view discussion about this at it:Discussioni MediaWiki:Common.js or by disabling javascript and clicking here to view an English translation. Unfortunately, since I don't speak Italian either, there's not much I can do. Tra (Talk) 17:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm impressed by the technical quality of that answer. To the original poster: you might be able to find someone who can help further by checking Category:Italian Wikipedians or Category:Wikipedians who contribute to the Italian Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 20:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help! I've left a message (in English, hopefully someone will translate it) on it:Discussioni_MediaWiki:Common.js, explaining the problem. 11:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I inserting a leading colon into your interlanguage link to make it work correctly. --Teratornis (talk) 20:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Can someone find the templates used in SATURDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL
The article seems to be acting.... crappy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.30.2 (talk) 16:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Template vandalism fixed by Syrthiss. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 16:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * And I have reported the vandal to WP:AIV. – ukexpat (talk) 19:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * To figure out the affected template, click on Related changes in the left toobar. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  <sup style="color:darkblue;">talk  -  19:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * User now permablocked. – ukexpat (talk) 19:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

how do I insert a table down the right hand side the same as the one that can be seen on the Greenpeace page?
how do I insert a table down the right hand side the same as the one that can be seen on the Greenpeace page? how do I insert a picture, does this have to only be in low resolution? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wellington100 (talk • contribs)


 * See Infobox Non-profit. – ukexpat (talk) 19:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

List of wikilinks in an article
Is there an easy way to display all of the links that are used throughout a given article, sort of a reverse What links here? In the course of doing a quick copy edit, I would like to clean out the duplicate links but they are scattered all over the place. A method to display all of the outgoing links would be quite helpful. Thanks L0b0t (talk) 19:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed someone removing duplicate links in the Lamma Winds article, with what appears appears to be an automated approach; see this diff. You might examine that user's page and see what tools he or she is using. Personally, I don't understand the blanket objection to duplicate wikilinks, particularly when they are in different parts of a long article, such that the reader probably won't be seeing more than one instance of a given link at once. There are some frequently misunderstood technical terms, and until everyone understands them correctly, I don't think we have linked them enough. Just my opinion. This wouldn't apply to everyday terms such as dog or cat that we could expect most readers to understand. An article probably does not need more than one link from a term like that. --Teratornis (talk) 20:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, AWB points out duplicate links automatically. It doesn't check for proximity of multiples; I agree with Teratornis on that point. One link per paragraph might be a reasonable compromise. --AndrewHowse (talk) 20:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't love the idea that anything linked to in the article shouldn't appear in "See also." Sometimes those links are scattered all over a long article, so there's no unity in their presentation. Putting 'em in "See also" can provide that unity. Lou Sander (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Navigation templates can work around that problem. I haven't seen too much fanatical objection to having inline links that are redundant with navbox links, at least in the articles I've worked on. (For example, the Peak oil article duplicates many links in the Peak oil template it contains. I like navboxes because they show a link structure for a group of related articles, and every article in the set can instantly inherit the structure, with only one copy for editors to fight over.) However, Wikipedia is a big place; depending on where you edit, you can interact with all sorts of fellow editors having every conceivable opinion about the appropriate density of links. I haven't seen many articles that I thought were overlinked. Maybe someday, link density will be a user preference setting. For example, there could be a checkbox "Hide redundant links" or something similar. It would also be nice to have a feature that would show a list of outgoing links, so one could quickly determine how an article currently fits in the web of articles. --Teratornis (talk) 21:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks everyone. Yes, Teratornis, that is just the feature I would like to see, a What does this article link to button.  As for link density, the article in question, Glenn Beck, linked to New York Times Best Seller twice in adjacent sentences and has multiple links to subject's employers both past and present.  Certainly not an egregious offender; I was just doing a little Spring cleaning as it were.  I'm all for WP:BTW but do we really need to link to the same article more than once or twice?  Thanks again for the feedback.  Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 22:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If duplicate links are in adjacent sentences, the only tool one needs to spot them would be eyeballs I think, and in that case some link trimming would make sense. The original question asks for a way to find duplicates that "are scattered all over the place." I think if duplicates are scattered far enough that one needs a tool to find them, then the duplicates shouldn't bother the reader. Furthermore, not everyone reads an entire article in sequential order. When I skip down to read a section in the middle of a long article, I find it bothersome to have to backtrack to look for a link on some obscure term that isn't linked in the section I'm reading. While I agree that having duplicate links in adjacent sentences would constitute overlinking, I'd advise against the other extreme of removing all duplicates. It's nice when sections of an article can stand somewhat on their own. --Teratornis (talk) 03:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's a POV that I had never even considered. When you put it like that some link replication makes sense.  With the article in question it's one issue (a rather minor one) out of many.  At this point I'm much more curious about the technical ability to sort out links rather than a practical application of the sorting.  Thanks again.  Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 13:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree it would be useful to have tools to analyze the outbound links from an article. That might let us generate statistics about articles that may be overlinked or underlinked, which would help maintainers zero in on articles that might need editing. (From what I have seen, there seem to be more articles that don't have enough links than articles with too many links, in my opinion. Underlinked articles tend to be new in their development, and they may have other problems, such as a tendency to read as if they were written by editors who were not aware of the content in related articles, leading to redundancies, inconsistencies, omissions, etc.) However, a list of duplicates should also include a proximity measure, because as we seem to agree, duplicate links that are close together are different than duplicate links that are far apart. --Teratornis (talk) 18:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

No footnotes and ref improve headings. Who removes them?
I am a noob and I've recently written my first page. During the early versions someone added the headings and Since then I have improved the article significantly and included many inline citations. My question is - who decides when the citation and references are sufficient and who's responsibility is it to remove the headings? Will whoever added the headings - or someone else - decide to remove one or other at some point? Or is it down to me to do this? If so,when and how do I decide to do it? Thanks SAHBfan (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You can remove the templates yourself if you feel the issues have been addressed. It may also be a good idea to contact the person who originally added the templates to get their opinion on the matter. Finally, you can always discuss the issue on the article's talk page, where other editors can offer an opinion on what improvements the article may need. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  21:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Uploaded Images for Dance Bear-a-Thon
To whom it may concern:

I am the Operations and Technology Chair for the Dance Marathon chapter at Missouri State University. As part of our expanding publicity campaign, we have established an article here on Wikipedia about our annual event, which raises money for Children's Miracle Network. I uploaded two pictures taken at our event as well as our logo. We do not have specific authors of these photos or of the logo, nor do we have a current copyright on our work. Still, we do not want our images to just be "public domain".

I've been requested to give a proper tag on the copyright or lack thereof on our photos and logo; which tag would be appropriate for our case and how would I put it there?

Thank you for your help,

ProfessorLlama —Preceding unsigned comment added by ProfessorLlama (talk • contribs) 21:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You can choose any free license tag from WP:ICT/FL. I recommend cc-by-sa-3.0. I should mention, however, that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a publicity medium. The Dance Bear-a-Thon article is in danger of being deleted unless it establishes the notability of the subject and backs it up with citations to independent reliable sources. —teb728 t c 02:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:WWMPD. You might want to copy that article to your userspace so you have time to work on it if the article proper gets deleted. See WP:ADVOCACY for more about Wikipedia's stance on articles that exist to advocate a cause, and see WP:PEACOCK for advice about how to avoiding writing "promotional language". What you are trying to do should be possible on Wikipedia, but the intuitively obvious approach is not the correct approach here. Intuitively, a person would just write what they know to be true; that's what we do in normal life. On Wikipedia, since anybody can edit anything, we have to back up what we write with reliable sources. The article's fate will hinge on whether you can come up with previously published accounts of the information in the Dance Bear-a-Thon article. See WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, and WP:CITET for instructions on how to add sources to the article. --Teratornis (talk) 04:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)