Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 August 16

= August 16 =

Tmbox
I have a tmbox on my userpage that I'd like to align to the left margin as all userboxes and the TOC. How can I do that?

I have tried making a table, but when I did that, the tmbox lost its yellow colour.

If you know how to do it, go right ahead! Or write here. Debresser (talk) 01:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * With an ambox I was able to left-align it with the  option, but the yellow color went away. You'll probably want to revert that. See: Template talk:Mbox for some discussion. I'm sure the folks who participated there would know how to do what you want. --Teratornis (talk) 02:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. I really appreciate your effort. I have to admit that I'd really like to keep the yelow colour, and that the small letters also don't help in pointing attention to themselves.
 * I am familiar with 2 of the editors in that discussion. One of them has left Wikipedia, unfortunately. The other is on a loose wikibreak. But I wrote him anyway, and hope he'll have a solution. Thanks for that idea. Debresser (talk) 02:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You could also ask on Template talk:Tmbox and read the archived talk pages. Maybe this problem came up before. And keep checking here for a couple of days, maybe someone will more knowledgeable will chime in later. --Teratornis (talk) 03:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll do both these things. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 17:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

See Template_talk:Tmbox for the solution. Debresser (talk) 17:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Roger Federer
I'm not sure if this redirect should be here. The redirect is Federer, to Roger Federer. Since there is more people with the name Federer, shouldn't it go to Federer (disambiguation) I'm not experienced in this topic, Just Wondering! ;) Programmer13TalkWhat I do 02:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Roger Federer is much better known than the other Federer's together so the redirect is appropriate. Most users entering Federer in the search box will be looking for Roger Federer. That article uses Redirect at the top to link to Federer (disambiguation). See the last entry in the table at Redirect. The example there is Obama redirecting to Barack Obama and not Obama (disambiguation). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can see what Wikipedia users are likely to search for by looking at the page view statistics (there's a link on an article's history page):
 * http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Roger_Federer viewed 989400 times in 200907. This article ranked 582 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org.
 * http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Herbert_Federer viewed 367 times in 200907.
 * http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Michelle_Federer viewed 2536 times in 200907.
 * It would seem Roger Federer crushes rivals even on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 02:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Uploading translated pages
i am regd user, how can i upload my translated pages to existing category to enrich that?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjsingh kld (talk • contribs) 03:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by translated pages? ≈ Chamal  talk ¤ 03:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Based on User:Sjsingh kld/Gurubaani it doesn't sound like something for Wikipedia. We are an encyclopedia. Maybe Wikisource at http://en.wikisource.org would be interested. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Trouble with templates and functions.
I have poked around various help pages for awile now, but have not found anything to explain what is going on with a template I edited recently (Template:Infobox Sailboat Specifications)

I made each of the fields optional using #if which works for the most part, but with inconsistent spacing.

If you look at pages that use the template, spacing is fine unless two or more fields in a row are unused. When that happens blank lines show up in the infobox where the fields would go.

Examples:
 * 11 Metre (keelboat)
 * 2.4 Metre (keelboat)

Any help fixing the template would be appreciated, as would an explanation as to what I did wrong.

—MJBurrage(T•C) 05:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You are doing this the hard way. Use Infobox as a meta-template to build your infobox. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 10:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link, I have switched the template over.
 * Are there any good pages discussing how to use conditional fields in templates? I would still love to know what was causing the issue in the original template. —MJBurrage(T•C) 20:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Inexperienced Need Help
Concerning User:DIREKTOR – Is This A WikiBully?

The key word in your post being "presumably". :) Find yourself another one of your crappy "forums" to talk about your presumptions. Just forget about this, Luigi/Brunodam, you're not annoying anyone - you're just turning out amusing. I think I'll file a checkuser in an hour or so, you'd better believe it when I say I'll delete everything you wrote if you're a sock. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

"'''Freedom of speech"??! :) LoL, aren't we "high and mighty"?''' A little too "high and mighty" for a sock of Brunodam/Luigi trying to pick a fight with Users by writing his opinions in bold on a wiki talkpage. Hoping that your essays will attract other, real users and start a fake dispute about a non-existing controversy? Nice try... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 06:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hello Comrade! xD Ban you!? Why in the world would I want to ban you? You're wacky, you're a lot of fun - I like that! :D And since even a brain-dead, brutish Slav communist can see through your sockpuppet "disguise", you're really not a problem. Why not, have some fun on Wikipedia! I'll just make 100% sure none of your transparently biased, behind-the-scenes plotting works. Now we all know POV-pushers of this sort must also be checked for sockpuppets. Be sure you will NOT be able to resurface undetected here again. Best regards :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 23:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

'''You're leaving! But why? Oh I see... you're getting out before you can get banned'''. Good thinking - that way enWiki doesn't really ban you, and you still "win"! Come back soon :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 23:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah well, don't be too amused. Its a sock all right, probably yours but certainly someone's. If its not you its probably one of the dozens of sockpuppeteers I helped put away. Could be anyone (if its "not you" by some wild chance, that is). Either way I wouldn't put much stock in a sock's opinion, I'm actually all heart :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't you worry Rex old boy, "my menace" is here to stay. It only gets more annoying and "menacing" as the months and years go by... xD gosh I'm evil --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

My very well sourced propaganda, Rex, lets not forget. With your sock report I doubt you'll have to endure the um..."suffering" for much longer. ;) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this type of behaviour condoned in Wkipedic circles (I think this man is a bully). If it is not can you please help me and point me in the right direction to address his tactics used against anyone who doesn’t agree with his POV? Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 07:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems very inappropriate to me. I'll ask DIREKTOR what that was about. Kotiwalo (talk) 08:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * He seems to have forgot to assume good faith and not to assume that someone is a sockpuppet too quickly. Kotiwalo (talk) 08:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I would also like to add that I am inexperienced in Wiki protocol and I am trying to learn and adhere to the principles as best I can. So I am saying here that I may have crossed some protocols due to inexperience and the sensitivity of the issues that were in question, however in my opinion the Direktor is way overreacting and abusive. Kind Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 08:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Being a newcomer and inexperienced is allowed. Since it's easy to edit and revert, being bold is good. Kotiwalo (talk) 08:58, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * (Ok, this is a tremendously large post, yes, but these are out-of-context attacks on my person and if I am to respond, I have to respond to each in-turn.)
 * Yes, I agree, when a user with a personal agenda against me goes around all my contribs and creates a nice collection of all the times I've almost insulted someone, it looks pretty bad. Here's the thing, though, this is like the third or fourth report on me User:Sir Floyd has created/endorsed in the past two days or so for various things he can come up with. All have been rejected as unfounded. He is on an agenda to get me blocked. WP:HARASS applies, I think. There are seven quotes up there, they were taken out of context and even altered to make me, with my somewhat too jokey mode of conversation, look like a "bully" (before I start a note: nearly all bold text was inserted by User:Sir Floyd, and he added words to my posts). I have overreacted in nearly all of them, I admit, but they are something of a collection of my worst moments, I do not think they make me a "bully".
 * The first four quotes are from the talkpage of User:Sir Floyd, this account is almost certainly a sockpuppet of User:Luigi 28 (or User:Brunodam, though less likely). I won't lay down the case here, but the account jumped immediately upon creation into User:Luigi 28's POV-pushing. But lets go through them all:
 * "The key word in your post being "presumably". :) Find yourself another one of your crappy "forums" to talk about your presumptions. Just forget about this, Luigi/Brunodam, you're not annoying anyone - you're just turning out amusing. I think I'll file a checkuser in an hour or so, you'd better believe it when I say I'll delete everything you wrote if you're a sock."
 * I'm referring to the "crappy forum", and the Wikipedia cafe at itWiki in which Users who were reported by me on enWiki are badmouthing me on a daily basis. Accoring to User:AlasdairGreen27's advice here: "DIREKTOR, You should head over to itWiki more often. Highly entertaining. They spend more time moaning about you than is probably healthy. (...) they're over at Bruno's blog moaning and grumbling about how they've all been blocked or banned." Further, I'm also saying I will delete his provocative posts if he's a sock (as we are supposed to do), and that his provocative posts are not annoying anyone.
 * "Freedom of speech"??! :) LoL, aren't we "high and mighty"? A little too "high and mighty" for a sock of Brunodam/Luigi trying to pick a fight with Users by writing his opinions in bold on a wiki talkpage. Hoping that your essays will attract other, real users and start a fake dispute about a non-existing controversy? Nice try..."
 * Exactly what in this post constitutes a personal attack? I'm accusing the User of being a sock and of trying to pick a fight on Talk:Josip Broz Tito. It is certainly likely he's a sock, and a pretty obvious one at that (I probably should've immediately posted a checkuser). He has arrived on the page, found that he was contradicted by sources and Users, but continued to argue and bicker with no proposed changes to the article. I overreacted, yes, but I didn't actually insult him.
 * "Re: Hello Comrade! xD Ban you!? Why in the world would I want to ban you? You're wacky, you're a lot of fun - I like that! :D And since even a brain-dead, brutish Slav communist can see through your sockpuppet "disguise", you're really not a problem. Why not, have some fun on Wikipedia! I'll just make 100% sure none of your transparently biased, behind-the-scenes plotting works. Now we all know POV-pushers of this sort must also be checked for sockpuppets. Be sure you will NOT be able to resurface undetected here again. Best regards :)"
 * This post has even (1) been altered in order to WP:HARASS me, I did not call User:Sir Floyd a "comrade" ("Re:Hello Comrade!" is the title). (2) It is a response to this provocation (entitled "Hello Comrade!") on the part of User:Sir Floyd, where he called me a communist "cry baby". I still did not say much about User:Sir Floyd in my response. I stated he's a sock, biased, and a POV-pusher - not really "insults", more like facts if we look at his edits on Talk:Josip Broz Tito. All that's left is the part where I call him "wacky", this is how I talk: I did not mean that in any derogatory way, I was actually trying to "lighten-up" the conversation after his provocation. I also called myself "a brain-dead, brutish Slav communist" in a sarcastic way, not anyone else. Is calling someone "wacky" after he calls you a communist dictator-worshiping crybaby a personal attack?
 * "You're leaving! But why? Oh I see... you're getting out before you can get banned. Good thinking - that way enWiki doesn't really ban you, and you still "win"! Come back soon :)"
 * Again, how is this a personal attack? I'm saying he's a sock and is leaving before he can get reported. I repeat - the bit of sarcasm here was meant to be "good-spirited". It was taken far too seriously. Even so, I don't see how accusing a user of being a sock is a personal attack?
 * Yeah well, don't be too amused. Its a sock all right, probably yours but certainly someone's. If its not you its probably one of the dozens of sockpuppeteers I helped put away. Could be anyone (if its "not you" by some wild chance, that is). Either way I wouldn't put much stock in a sock's opinion, I'm actually all heart :)
 * In this post I am discussing User:Easy4all who's connections with User:Brunodam's sock, User:Marygiove, are currently being investigated. There can be no doubt that the account User:Easy4all is someone's sock. Suffices to say that the account was created the day before yesterday and the only edits this supposedly "new user" made were directed aagainst me personally. In other words, all that this account did was badmouth me. See further evidence here under the Evidence subsection. I'm actually not insulting anyone, but I'm saying that the account is an obvious sock. When I say "I wouldn't put much stock in a sock's opinion, I'm actually all heart", I'm responding to User:Easy4all's badmouthing me on the same sockpuppet report page. Taken out of context. Not actually a personal attack.
 * "Don't you worry Rex old boy, "my menace" is here to stay. It only gets more annoying and "menacing" as the months and years go by... xD gosh I'm evil"
 * Oh yeah, here's another "personal attack". I'm responding with a joke to being called an evil menace (by Sir Floyd or Easy4all), and I'm taking it pretty well, I think. :)
 * "My very well sourced propaganda, Rex, lets not forget. With your sock report I doubt you'll have to endure the um..."suffering" for much longer." ;)
 * Yes, again, I'm "jokingly" accusing the User of being a sockpuppeteer. Is this a personal attack? Also, this is again taken out of context. Its is a response to a "conference" on how good it would be if I was banned where I'm called: "one of the worst balkan editors, and if banned a lot of fighting inside en.wiki will disappear".
 * In short, all of these posts are accusations of sockppupeteering, responses to provocations taken out of context, and an attempts to make my light mode of conversation seem far worse than it is. I am an editor with three years on Wiki and 18,000 edits. I am NOT a "bully". These people are trying to get me banned by any means necessary. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 10:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I do acknowledge the fact that Sir Floyd isn't innocent in here either, but he was acquitted in a sockpuppet investigation, and two wrongs do not make a right. Since you're an experienced contributor, you should know how to keep your cool. Kotiwalo (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * He was not aquitted of being a sock. No such report was ever made. The report was on the connection between User:Rex Dominator and User:Easy4all (since all that account did was support his "reports" against me). A checkuser on a possible connection between the long-time sockpuppeteers User:Luigi 28 and/or User:Brunodam (each with something like a dozen socks) was never asked for. I am rarely wrong about socks of these two characters - not a single report by me on their socks ever came back negative (today's on User:Rex Dominotor was the first report of mine that did). I'm thinking of reporting him right now, but I think I'll get CTS if I don't rest my hand a while :P -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 10:40, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sockpuppet_investigations/Rex_Dominator see for yourself. I don't even refer to people as sockpuppets/puppeteers until the results are clear, but I'm not sure what the policy is. In any case, I suggest that you stop arguing because it won't do you any good. Apologize to each other and get back to working with articles. Kotiwalo (talk) 10:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, as I said above, that is a report on a possible connection with User:Rex Dominator, not with User:Luigi 28 and/or User:Brunodam (which is what I was referring to when I accused him of being a sock). His mention in that report was a quick check. Please bear in mind that socks of those two users have been harassing me intermittently for months and years, even seeking me out in the real world, posting my home information on the web, and threatening me personally ("We are coming!"). The above quotes are a collection of my worst moments, taken out-of-context, and I believe they are in no way indicative of my character. Nevertheless, I sincerely apologize for them, as I'm certainly not proud of such episodes, even though they have been manipulated to appear far worse than they are. --  DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 11:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, we have determined that DIREKTOR isn't an evil menace, and the sockpuppet discussion doesn't belong in help desk, so I'd call this issue settled. I'll contact Sir Floyd and ask him about a few things that spring to mind when looking at his edit history. Kotiwalo (talk) 11:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

New user here, with new page & need review of it & what I can do;
I don't want number's, where my link's are, and I don't quite understand the full setting's, you know, control. I want to get it just right like I want, just it's a tad confusing, so to speak. I can play with this/that back and forth to get (?) just right, but please, not 3 hour's or so to do it. I can catch on quick, IF, I undertsnad that which I have access to. I mean, I try to edit now, and get a download file to download - what is that? No program to id the file, thus, to open. I wanna have access to all your possible feature's, but I think they need to be in a more easier understandable format, ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreydavidmorris (talk • contribs) 11:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks like you want to host a CV? We don't offer that service and the content needs to be removed. --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have left a message on the OP's page, but also listed it under the MfD process, as I won't be around for much of the rest of the day, so can't check that they remove the content. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 12:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Right. See WP:NOTADVERTISING (also applies to user pages) and User page Putting a url in square brackets [like this] gives a numbered link. If you get a download file when you edit then maybe you have enabled "Use external editor by default (for experts only, needs special settings on your computer)" under the Editing tab at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Uploading Images
I am a registered user but I am unable to find where I can upload images. This image is a logo of a radio station. Can someone help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Argirios (talk • contribs) 13:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll need to head over to this page. Make sure the image you have complies with all of Wikipedia's image policy. TN X Man  14:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In brief - as a new user (less than 10 contributions) you are not able to upload images to Wikipedia; you can upload non-copyright images to commons, but that won't help in this situation. I will see if I can find a logo and add it to the article; I will let you know here.  Chzz  ►  17:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded the logo and added it to KWLE.  Chzz  ►  18:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I thought that this user would have been autoconfirmed, as I thought active accounts were grandfathered in when the right became active. TN X Man  18:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

My Page Has Been Deleted
Why has my page been deleted and can I recover it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsheavyweight (talk • contribs) 18:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your page, Heavyweight Entertainment, has been deleted because it did not indicate why the company was notable. your best bet is to read our guide on writing your first article and working on the page in a sandbox in your userspace. For example, you could use User:Lsheavyweight/Sandbox to get started. TN X Man  18:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See also Why was my page deleted? If you think you can find content and independent reliable sources to satisfy Notability (organizations and companies) then you can request to have the deleted content moved to User:Lsheavyweight/Sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please also see The Wikipedia guideline on conflict of interest. Your User name may also be problematic, if you are someone associated with the article you are attempting to write about.  Your User name could be considered promotional, and you may be asked to choose another.  Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

How long will it take for a new page that I added to appear?
I added a new page, and I wondered how long it takes for that page to appear online in the search engine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikejibson (talk • contribs) 19:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've generally noticed new pages showing up a couple hours or so after adding—having said that, I created a new article yesterday and it hasn't yet shown up.-- SPhilbrick  T  19:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone managed to find it, as it has been nominated for deletion.-- SPhilbrick  T  19:17, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The tag's up on the page Devils Bridge, but I can't find it under AFD. It's all hype and no substance. // BL \\ (talk) 19:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's Devils Bridge (film) and it was nominated per Proposed deletion which doesn't have a discussion like Articles for deletion. As the tag says, anybody who objects to deletion can remove the tag. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

$ per square foot conversion
Is there a conversion template for converting $/square foot to $/square meter or can convert be used for such a purpose?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like there's not, but you can convert $/square foot to $/square meter manually ($/ft2 x (1 ft2 / 1 9.290304 × 10−2 m2)). Hope that helps! E Wing (talk) 04:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there a template request page analogous to WP:BOTREQ. I seem to remember seeing one once.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Are there a lot of pages requiring this conversion? Unless there are an awful lot of them, it wouldn't seem worth making a template for it. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 09:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There is Requested templates and more conversions can be suggested at Template talk:Convert. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)