Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 August 20

= August 20 =

Arabic names for foreigners?
Can somebody explain why in some arabic countries, for ex. Bahrain, the foreigners that there are living should change their names to one new in arabic language? This is the case of the world champion in 1500 m in the IAAF W. C. Berlin 2009 Yusuf Saad Kamel, born in Kenia as Gregory Konchellah. Thanks. Leonprimer (talk) 00:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Algebraist 00:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding new name to list of Chileans of Italian descent
I have just added the name of Alfonso Calderón Squadritto to the page CHILEANS OF ITALIAN DESCENT. However, it did not turn up at the right place (under letter C). I don't know how to do this. It wouldbe necessary also to LINK the name to Calderón existing wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberto Torretti (talk • contribs) 01:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I reverted your edit to Category:Chileans of Italian descent. See Help:Category. You can add the text  to the bottom of Alfonso Calderón. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Can someone help me give better advice?
I added a Cookies welcome template to User talk:Dvornicsek and she asked for help on my talk page, but it's about copy-paste claims on her article and I don't know if there's a policy to link to or exactly what I should recommended. I added some information to her talk page, but is it any good? I'll admit, maybe I'm not the right person to be welcoming people. occono (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * At least you said "hi" to someone new and are attempting to be of assistance.Cptnono (talk) 01:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There is COI so it would be best if she requested assistance through other editors. Does anyone know of anything similar to the rescue task force that would apply here?Cptnono (talk) 01:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I linked to WP:COI for her, it's copy-paste claims on articles I don't know how to deal with. I told her to look at the style guidelines that are linked to on the copy-paste notice on her article to improve the look of it. Is that all that's needed? occono (talk) 01:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There are several things I saw at a quick glance. I'm considering deleting the About him section since I don't see how that cannot be infringement. I'll mention some stuff on the talk page.Cptnono (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * She mentioned information is from her Book about him, the subject of the article is her husband. occono (talk) 02:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see how that is not a conflict of interest. Although there are guidelines in place that allow her to cite her own published work she is related to the subject and has proven that she cannot contribute without bias (the lead). We can report it to the COI noticeboard, ask her to stop, or turn a blind eye if the edits improve. I have made a mention on the talk page that her contributions are appreciated in the discussion so that is hopefully the first and best step.Cptnono (talk) 02:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, see I was just saying what information I had been told by her to clarify what kind of advice I should tell her, not commenting on the COI issue. occono (talk) 02:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And I just got a very polite message from the editor. I probably should have said there were bias concerns in a less inflamaory manner. Now I feel like a jerk :( ! I'm going to direct her here to see the options and hopefully stuff will get straightened out on the talk page.Cptnono (talk) 13:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up: Is this the appropriate time to use either a Workpages or Subpages? I would hate to see this article not progress and would like to give the editor the chance to improve the article and have someone review it before moving into the main spaceCptnono (talk) 13:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Let me interject a bit on conflict of interest. Conflict of interest does not state that you cannot edit articles of organizations that you have a vested interest in. What it does state is "Where advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Wikipedia, that editor stands in a conflict of interest."


 * In my opinion, an editor with close ties to an article should disclose those ties, acknowledge that they have read and understand the guidelines and pledge to act in the interests of Wikipedia. Such an editor can use their user page or an about page and can add userboxes or free text to describe their interests. The template user disclosure can be used for disclosure. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

the poem shakespeare by john donn
Please supply me the summary or explanations of the poem by john donn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.249.104 (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the Wikipedia Help Desk, where we answer questions about using Wikipedia. You may wish to try the Humanities section of the Reference desk, which is more suited to your question. --  &#9735;  Kateshortforbob talk &#9732;  08:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You may also find the article on John Donne useful. TN X Man  13:16, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Please do your own homework. Welcome to the Wikipedia Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here not to do others' homework, but merely to aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems. Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can or. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Wikipedia. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 14:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of my contribution
Hi, I am very new here and I find very difficult to create an entry. I did it eventually about an Graphic Author who is working for DC comics and who has already a solid career in the Graphic Design. However Wikipedia don't find him relevant and I have some links I can add about him to show he is known in Spain. But I don't know how to stop the deletion. If its enough adding those links? Why you see names of people who are less relevant than him and they are already published? Please help. Emurri (talk) 13:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, the article you mean is Fernando dagnino guerra, correct? The article was tagged with a prod because you haven't provided any proof that Mr. Guerra is notable enough for inclusion. If you are able to provide references meeting the reliable sources guidelines, the article will probably be kept. Please read over that page for examples of what resources you could use. Also try looking through google.  ceran  thor 13:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can also create your article in a user subpage - that way, no one will be nominating it for deletion, and you can work on it and get it ready in peace. The downside is that people won't find it in a search, but if it isn't quite ready, that shouldn't be a problem. If you want to do this, but don;t know how, just ask.-- SPhilbrick  T  13:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The notability criteria applying for this particular article is WP:ARTIST. Please make sure that the subject qualifies them, and add the relevant information (with sources) to the article. You can object to the deletion by simply removing the prod tag with your reason given in the edit summary or article talk page. However, if you haven't addressed the issues about the article, it will probably be taken to WP:AFD to decide whether it should be deleted or not. ≈ Chamal  talk ¤ 13:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyright company logo
Hello,

I added to a page for the company I work for, and the logo is saying it will be deleted unless I can prove copyright. It's our logo, we have a copyright, how do I confirm that with wikipedia?

Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfarrow1982 (talk • contribs) 14:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)  — Kfarrow1982 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * You should read this as it is probably a non-free logo.
 * Cheers!
 * &Lambda; u α (Operibus anteire) 14:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, this addresses your question better.
 * Cheers!
 * &Lambda; u α (Operibus anteire) 14:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Add logo fur and fill in the fields. Since you are editing an article you are associated with, you need to read FAQ/Organizations. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Kohl Automobile
I thank those who have jumped in and help me. I understand that I have to prove what I am saying and I will try to just that. My information comes from my Grandfather's records and I'm 64 years old, so even reading these papers, drawing and photos is very hard and requires a lot of computer software and software quessing. I've added some more info and thanks to you guys, I think I might of done it correctly. Please feel free to just jump in and fix what needs to be done. I'll keep trying to document. Now I'm going to try and use the Silver22553 (talk) thingies Silver22553 (talk) 02:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I am Wikipedia Stupid :-) I posted the article on Kohl Automobile with information from my Grandfathers files.  I have more to add, but seem to be caught in the middle of "Stupid".  I need help making the corrections and just can't get it done right.  Please help me  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silver22553 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I made a few improvements for you, I categorized the article and other minor fixes. I'm not good with reference tags though, unfortunately. :( occono (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please consider moving the material to a user subpage, where you can work on it without fear of it being deleted. That said, you have a very tough challenge. I didn't find a single mention in a Google search or in Google books, so establishing notability, even with a single mention in a newspaper article, is going to be a challenge. Your grandfathers files, if personal, may be historically interesting, but don't help support the article, until they are published elsewhere.-- SPhilbrick  T  17:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As Sphilbrick mentions, it might be an idea to move this to your user space (just let us know if you want this to happen). I have used the cite news reference format with the information provide (but if you happen to have the paper story useful, let me know if you have the details of the writer, the page, etc - as well as the actual date of the fire). As Sphilbrick also says, you really have a hard task ahead of you. I could find no references to Kohl automobile, Kohl's plumbing - and the Wilkes-Barre Record Almanacs located at Ancestry.com didn't have any relevant entries (I checked from 1898-1903) for either "runabout", "kohl plumbing" or "kohl automobile". Google searches revealed nothing, unfortunately... if you have access to a library in Wilkes-Barre, they might have either books or newspapers that reference the car and/or the companies - but I think a local search will be needed, as sources online are probably not available. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 18:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * postscript I have added the article to WikiProject Automobiles and have left a message on their Project Talk Page, asking if someone more knowledgeable could have a look, and perhaps locate further sources of information. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 18:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Navbox with collapsible groups, collapsing logic
I want to modify the template Orienteering concepts to be able handle parameters so I'm able to collapse 'group1'. I had try to put in some if logic but still it won't behave as I like. The parameters I want to use are. How can this be accomplished? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kslotte (talk • contribs) 17:46, 20 August 2009
 * Is there some expert group that can give help with more advanced templates? --Kslotte (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You can try Requested templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did throw a message/link there. --Kslotte (talk) 13:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be working for me... I'll show the four possibilities below (both uncollapsed, 1 collapsed, 2 collapsed, both collapsed):


 * creates :

Am I missing something? -- Yarnalgo  talk to me 17:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I already fixed it as I mentioned on the talk page. Svick (talk) 18:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

--Kslotte (talk) 01:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Question re: FA review
I recently came across a featured article, List of Brisbane Roar FC players, which has had a maintenance tag on it since November 2008, does this alone qualify it for a review and possible delisting? -- &oelig; &trade; 19:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/List_of_Queensland_Roar_FC_players
 * This is a decision for the group that does the reviews. They know the guidelines and requirements. But I doubt they want the list to be complete before a FA status. But if the missing information is accurate and verified, then the tag can be removed. You can put a message on the talk page about your concern. --Kslotte (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, that is a featured list, not a featured article. If you think that it does not meet the criteria, you can submit it to WP:FLRC. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

wikihow
Why wikihow isn't part of Wikipedia's progects? --Brodsky.ilya (talk) 19:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's not under the purview of the Wikimedia Foundation. --Smashvilletalk 19:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Read the wikiHow article. See WikiIndex for thousands of other wikis. The Wikimedia Foundation operates several hundred wikis; they took the idea from earlier wikis such as WikiWikiWeb. Your question is similar to asking why Google isn't part of Microsoft - because they are different companies. --Teratornis (talk) 21:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Signing
It says sign your post with for tildes. Rukovich71 (talk) 20:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Now what? Don't I sign with my user name? I don't know what it means to sign with a tilde. What does it mean? Rukovich71 (talk) 20:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It means --~ will be automatically filled with your username and date. You can use the button 'Your signature with timestamp' for this. --Kslotte (talk) 20:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Read Help:Talk page, Talk page guidelines, and WP:SIG (in particular WP:SIG). --Teratornis (talk) 21:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Something has gone wonky for me in Google Chrome.
I don't know what I could have done to cause this, but a a little while earlier I stopped being able to save my edits, when I click Save Edit it goes to the preview edit screen. I'm using Opera to enter this. Help? occono (talk) 22:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever the problem was, it appears to have fixed itself. occono (talk) 23:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)