Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 January 23

= January 23 =

Article Help
Hi,

I have written a new article. How do I put this in the main space? I pressed save but nothing has happened...

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MegsAnn (talk • contribs) 01:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * At the moment the draft is in your user space. For it to get to the article space it must be moved there - to be able to do that your account must be autconfirmed - 10 edits and at least 4 days old. However, as it is written at the moment, it would almost certainly be speedily deleted for being promotional. Wikipedia is not a webspace for advertisements - please read WP:Spam and WP:Corp. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 02:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And now the user page version has been speedily deleted as blatant advertising. If you still want to work on the draft ask the deleting admin User:Jimfbleak to undelete it to a subpage in your user space. – ukexpat (talk) 15:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

link to my image in Wikimedia
I uploaded an original picture I took into Wikimedia Commons, establishing an account, and putting in all the license and description information.

In the article where I want the picture to be, I put in the wording, as instructed

That text shows up in my article, but the image does not. How do I link to it so that it will show up in the proper place in my article?

Please provide non-technical instructions. I am not a computer programmer and most of the technical jargon goes completely over my head. Since I did not see a tab or link at the Wikimedia page of the image or in the edit page of the article, I do not see how to link the two items.

Thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Operagirl (talk • contribs) 02:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I have fixed it. You did everything right expect used "jpg" instead of "JPG", I copied and pasted the exact filename from the Commons image description page to get it working.--Commander Keane (talk) 03:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

can I take sibutramine with cinarizine
This question has been removed. Per the reference desk guidelines, the reference desk is not an appropriate place to request medical, legal or other professional advice, including any kind of medical diagnosis or prognosis, or treatment recommendations. For such advice, please see a qualified professional. --Jayron32. talk . contribs 05:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Contributing to Wiktionary
I can't find instructions on contributing new words to wiktionary. How is this done? Dan4reds (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC).
 * This isn't a quastion for help with Wikipedia, which this help desk is for. Wiktionary is a whole different project, so you might want to try asking there. X  clamation point  03:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll have to go to Wiktionary to find out. That's a different website entirely. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  03:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Read their welcome page. It has links to all the guides, including the one about starting a new page. – Capricorn42 ( talk ) 03:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Adding a person to a dismbiguation page
I've never contributed here in any way, so I have no idea how anything works. :)

I have no idea how anyone/anything is deemed important enough to be here...

Anyway, there is a disambiguation page for "Scott Johnson", and I do not see the Scott Johnson who is a folk musician (that's what I'd call him, but I'm not even sure that's right) and founder of the "Postive Music Association". His webpage is www.googolpress.com/

So I'd just like to add him to the page and maybe make a "stub" page for him, so is this OK? (Can you put a person's webpage URL on a disambiguation page? I'd prefer that to trying to make a stub page...)

I don't want to bother to do something if it's inappropriate and will just be deleted....

Thank you very much for your help!

--Madeline

Moonlet (talk) 03:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure you can be bold and add him to the disambig page - probably as Scott Johnson (musician) - and create a stub article if he is notable as described in WP:BIO. You should not just copy from his website as it is almost certainly copyrighted and just copying it here would contravene Wikipedia's copyvio policy -- WP:COPYVIO. Also take a look at WP:YFA and WP:RS. – ukexpat (talk) 04:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, so I've read the pages on notability and such, but I don't know if he's notable or not. You can buy his music on Amazon and iTunes--does that count for anything? One thing is that not only does he have his own music, but he's a co-founder of the Positive Music Association which has dozens of musician members.

I just don't understand what constitutes notable here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonlet (talk • contribs) 05:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * See Notability (people). Please don't add this entry to a disambiguation page until it has an article. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  12:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Finding a reference
The following line appears in your article on the Chaco War:

"Also, Paraguayans were able to send trained native guinea pigs carrying messages as a sort of messenger pigeon back and forth between lines of military operation, thus helping the war effort."

For research of my own I'm trying to find out where this information came from so I can verify it and learn more about it. How can I accomplish this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.111.41 (talk) 04:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds dubious to me, but the best place to ask is the article's talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 04:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed it does and I just searched Google web, books, news, and the NYT archive with no results, So I have removed per WP:BURDEN.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Good call. It was added as the first edit by a user with a typical vandal name. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought this would have some relation to Peruvian flute bands. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  21:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Location of Pancake Restaurant in Music Within
I need the location of the pancake restaurant in the movie the Music Within. If anyone knows, please email me at I am the chair person for the American Council of the Blind of Oregon convention. The convention is in October and I would like for a bus load of us to go to the restaurant to enjoy pancakes. Please help, Carolyn24.21.217.151 (talk) 05:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have removed your email, as leaving it here could open you up to spam programs that crawl visible pages like this. Also, Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.--Jayron32. talk . contribs  05:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

stub
how do you change a stub? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Osloboso (talk • contribs) 06:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Change a stub? Do you mean expand a stub, or something else? Please clarify. – Capricorn42 ( talk ) 06:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm also unsure what you want but maybe Stub answers it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you mean replacing one stub with another, just edit the article, delete the existing stub template and replace with the one you believe is more appropriate, or leave the existing one in place and just add the second one. – ukexpat (talk) 16:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Uploading images from en-wiki to the Simple English
I am writing an article on Graphics in the Simple English Wiki. Would somebody kindly please help me to upload these images into the simple English wiki? Thank you so much --Artaxerex (talk) 06:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Image:VW-Logo.png
 * Image:Google.png
 * Image:MSN logo.svg


 * Apparently Simple doesn't accept fair use images, see simple:Wikipedia:Image use policy. I have changed the gallery to links by the way.--Commander Keane (talk) 06:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought it was supposed to be simple ;) - Mgm|(talk) 10:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I'm a bit dense. Does this mean that I can't use these files. Or by changing the gallery you have solved my problem? Would you please respond in my talk page, because my system is slow and I have difficulty to find here --Artaxerex (talk) 18:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You can use only images on Commons. That includes the Google logo but not the VW or MSN logos. —teb728 t c 19:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

When I click an internal link to a new wikipedia page, I want it to open in a new tab; not change the page I'm currently looking at...
I use the latest version of Firefox. Is this something I change in Firefox, or in Wiki? I've looked at all the various options to try to find a way to make this happen, but so far I've failed.

In case I didn't make myself clear, this is the scenario...

I'm reading the Wiki page of China. I click the internal link to read about communism. I'd like it to open in a new tab and leave the page about China intact. Currently I have to open a new Wiki tab, type in communism, then I have two separate pages, but it's a big hassle.

Any help is much appreciated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by BIGWHIPWHIPPIN (talk • contribs) 07:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Right click ... Open Link in new tab. Ched (talk) 07:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * IE7 opens a new tab for me when I middle click. I don't know if that works for firefox...Someguy1221 (talk) 07:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: The right click option was very helpful. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by BIGWHIPWHIPPIN (talk • contribs) 08:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's helpful, until I get about 30 tabs open. Then I wish for an option to open the new tab next to the tab I'm viewing, not 30 tabs off to the right, which makes copying and pasting between tabs a challenge. Note that you can drag tabs to rearrange them, i.e., to group the tabs you are currently focusing on together. Of course it is better to have a display that is 50,000 pixels wide so you can see what you are doing. --Teratornis (talk) 09:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * CTRL-Click works (to open in new tab) in Firefox 3 - I use it every time I'm on wikipedia basically. If you want Firefox to emulate IE7 by opening new tabs directly to the right of the current tab, Tab Mix Plus and a myriad of other extensions will change that for you. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 11:31, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Topicon-notice issues
Did anyone yet find a solution to the topicons issue in relation to when the notice is activated (as it is now)? e.g. the two topicon links on my userpage or the myriad of issues this one has. -- Menti  sock  10:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

raghav malhotra

Embedd Visio
Is it possible to embedd a visio file into wikipedia?

If so, how can this be done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dj jay smith (talk • contribs) 12:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * To be short: No, the only files that can be embedded are .ogg sound and video files and the regular picture formats: .svg .png .jpg .bmp etc. PDFs can be uploaded, but not embedded. - Mgm|(talk) 13:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

add my company profile to wikipedia
How can I create a company profile of Unidine Corporation which is a foodservice company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unidine (talk • contribs) 13:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not recommended that you write about your own company. Please read WP:COI, WP:CORP and WP:SPAM for the relevant policies and guidelines. - Mgm|(talk) 13:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

raghav malhotra

Women Graphic Designers: A Suggested list
I recently did a search for a specific (woman) designer, and there was a query request for more names. Here is a list referenced from my experience as a designer, and AIGA (www.aiga.org) where even more can be found: Fo Wilson, Gail Anderson, Muriel Cooper, April Greiman, Paula Scher —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.108.8.5 (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a List of graphic designers article here on Wikipedia. If you'd like, you can add their names to that list. Please note, however, the section at the top of the article that says that additions must have a Wikipedia article. If you want to create individual articles for these people, you would need to register an account or visit the articles for creation page. Cheers!  TN ‑  X   - Man  16:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Adding last name to entry of film director Nahid Persson (now Nahid Persson Sarvestani)
Tried to find some kind of tab for it and didn't. She now goes by Nahid Persson Sarvestani. Thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.220.0 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 23 January 2009
 * Click "edit this article". Then you can add that new fact (or any other) that you wish.  --Jayron32. talk . contribs  19:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I moved the article to Nahid Persson Sarvestani, which leaves Nahid Persson as a redirect. – ukexpat (talk) 19:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

How to fix a crazy redirect
I know how to fix most redirect issues, but this one is confusing me and I'm scared to try to fix it for fear of messing it up even more.

I typed "the rest of the story" in the search box and was redirected to Paul Harvey, causing me to assume that there was no article for Harvey's book by that title. But then as I was scanning the article I noticed that there was a wikilink to The Rest of the Story. I clicked on it and found that the article does indeed exist, but with correct capitalization in the title.

So obviously "the rest of the story" should redirect to "The Rest of the Story" rather than "Paul Harvey", no confusion there. But when I looked at the redirect link at the top of the "Paul Harvey" article I saw that the redirect was labeled "The Rest Of The Story" (note the capitalization). So my question is: Will changing that one redirect to make it point to the correct article fix all of the problems, or should I look for other capitalization-error-based redirects to fix as well? Or is it somehow even more complex than that? I think my biggest issue is that my understanding is very unclear regarding how the search software reads capitalization, especially given that it took my search string "the rest of the story" as "The Rest Of The Story" rather than something like "The rest of the story" (with a leading capital but no others) as I would have expected.

I hope this question isn't quite as confusing as it sounds to me! I'll appreciate any help I can get. Thanks in advance. -- edi  (talk)  19:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Do that search the first time that brought you to the Paul Harvey article (the uncapitalized one) then, at the top of the screen, under the title "Paul Harvey" should be some tiny writing that says "redirected from the rest of the story" Click that, and it will take you to the redirect.  Edit it to make the right redirect.  --Jayron32. talk . contribs  19:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the redirect, and created one at The rest of the story, which previously didn't exist. As for you being taken to the all-capitalised title, that is down to the MediaWiki search function, which takes you to the nearest match if a page with the exact title you type in doesn't exist (why you weren't taken directly to 'The Rest of the Story', I do not know.  Richard 0612  19:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle gone in Safari
In the last week or so, the "rollback (AGF)" and "vandalism" links when viewing differences between two article versions has disappeared. This only happens to me in Safari. Has something been changed or is this a bug? Dismas |(talk) 20:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I see those Twinkle links in Safari 3.2.1 (on Mac OS X 10.5.6). &mdash;Noah 22:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So, the problem is on my end then... arg...  Dismas |(talk) 23:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, resetting Safari hasn't helped. Anyone have any other ideas?  Dismas |(talk) 03:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You could try going into preferences, gadgets, and enabling the "JavaScript Standard Library" (down at the bottom). Calvin 1998 (t·c) 03:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, still doesn't work. Dismas |(talk) 03:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

How to move Vegeta to Vegeta (Dragon Ball)?
I discovered that the article Vegeta is about some manga character and feel this is inappropriate, as "Vegeta" is also the name of a condiment popular in Europe, as well as of a plant. I suggest to make make Vegeta a disambiguation page so that readers can decide where they want to go instead of being taken to some manga fancruft first. However, Vegeta seems to be protected against being moved. At least, there's no "move" button in the place where it is usually found. Please advise! Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 21:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Vegeta has a hatnote pointing to Vegeta (disambiguation), so I don't see a problem here. – ukexpat (talk) 21:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my question was why it's not technically possible to move this page. Whether it's necessary to move it is another matter. Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 23:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It is not technically possible as the page has been protected to prevent moves due to page move vandalism. Checking the log shows this. Requested moves sounds like a good place to suggest this move.--Commander Keane (talk) 01:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, there needs to be consensus with the Dragon Ball task force if the article is to be moved. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So the Dragon Ball task force decides whether or not a Dragon Ball character is the primary meaning of a word? Don't you think that a less biased body should be in charge of this? Jimmy Fleischer (talk) 14:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's certainly one place to start. After all Vegeta is under the scope of that task force (which I am a part of). Another place where you could go to for feedback would be Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation or Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Legal threat over article language
I have been exchanging emails with the chair of Crystal Meth Anonymous. About six months ago he had suggested and made some changes to the List of twelve-step groups article. He suggested a language change, instead of using the terms "twelve-step groups" or "twelve-step programs" he wanted to use "twelve-step fellowships." We had a discussion about it over email, and I had asked him to provide some reliable sources to justify the changes. I had tried to get him to use the talk page for the discussion but had not been successful, so I posted part of it on the talk page indicating that it was from email.

This week he emailed me again, in the discussion I explained, like I did in July, that if he had made the suggested language changes I wouldn't revert them. I explained that we should use the talk page to show consensus and pointed him to the wikipedia tutorial if he needed technical assistance. This wasn't good for him, and he asked me to make the changes he requested for him. I told him I wasn't interested, and now he is threatening to turn my information over to the "AA lawyers."

What should I do in this case? -- Scarpy (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * A report to WP:ANI is probably the quickest way to get admin attention. – ukexpat (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * (e/c) The official answer, I think, runs along the lines of: "forward emails containing the threat to the ArbCom email list, if legal threat is verified, user may be blocked, etc., etc.
 * My unofficial answer is: just ignore this obviously silly and impotent threat, and cease dealing with him by email. --barneca (talk) 21:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Mr Scarpy has not told you the truth of our conversations. He was shown in inacuracy of his writings about 12 step fellowships (which he refuses to understand are not always programs) and his pride does not allow him to fix his errors. He suggested he was going to continue to write an article regarding AA. I simply offered to pass mr. Scarpy email and telephone on to the AA laywers so they can comment on his writings, since you all have no method of checking if your writers are acurate... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.240.63.175 (talk) 22:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC) Mr Scarpy continues to email me - every few minutes to say I have threatened him. Wikipedia People: I am not part of your community - only trying to correct a mis-step by one of your writers. No wonder people have such poor things to say about your writiers. geez folks..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.240.63.175 (talk) 22:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * As long as there's no legal threat on the table, I'll consider this resolved. -- Scarpy (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The IP editor left a note on my talk page, and it may be useful to repeat my reply here:
 * Well, this is easily solved. You stop emailing him. He stops emailing you.  No one emails any lawyers.  If, as you say, you have no further interest in fixing errors in Wikipedia, then the problem is solved.  If, however, you do still have a problem with one of our articles, and for some reason do not want to edit it yourself, we have an WP:OTRS system where non-editors can address complaints about articles. --barneca (talk) 23:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Followup: I have my own experience in getting involved in an angry exchange of emails, and I too forgot the most important thing to remember: just don't respond. Send all unwanted email to the trash can, and the emails will stop really soon. Hard to remember in the heat of battle, but it works 89.76% of the time. --barneca (talk) 23:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

A wise man speaks... Per your recomendation I have updated the page - one word and one sentence to: "Crystal Meth Anonymous (CMA) is a twelve-step fellowship of recovered and recovering methamphetamine addicts. Participants meet in local groups of varying sizes in order to stay clean and help others recover from methamphetamine addiction. CMA encourages complete abstinence from methamphetamine, alcohol, inhalants, and all other drugs not taken as prescribed. The Fellowship of Crystal Meth Anonymous works a Twelve Step program of recovery." Thank you for your suggestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.240.63.175 (talk) 23:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Good. Just remember, an integral part of editing articles is participation on the talk page; this is theoretically where people discuss the article in a cummunal, consensus driven effort to make it better. As I just discovered (see User talk:Barneca), I won't be able to participate. --barneca (talk) 23:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Blackberry Phonetop Icon: How to use, find, locate, suggest, etc . ..
Hello Follow Wiki Users!

Before I posted here, I searched through search box and reference desk and read through FAQs, but cannot find an answer, so I hope you can please help me!

I have been unable to locate a Blackberry Phonetop Icon for Wikipedia. This would help mobile phone and PDA users easily link to use Wikipedia.

It has come to my attention that some internet phone useer have the Wikipedia "W" icon on their phonetops. Where is it on your site? How do I download it to my phone?

If you don't have one, would you please consider creating one for your users?

Thanks! Evie 66.53.111.70 (talk) 22:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 22:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Ive been there but could not find anything on this, but I appreciate all help here! =~D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.111.70 (talk) 23:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is a Wikipedia "globe" icon for the iPhone. In theory, it could work in any situation that needs an icon. As I'm not a user of the BlackBerry, I don't know whether you can use it or not. Xenon54 (talk) 23:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Creating an article
How do I make an enrty? I would like to make an entry on a buisness i noticed wasn't mentioned here how do I do this and how can I be sure not to violate any policies please explain in a way that is easy to understand as I am not very tech savy. – — … ‘ “ ’ ” ° ″ ′ ≈ ≠ ≤ ≥ ± − × ÷ ← → · § —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbygordon (talk • contribs) 22:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Please read the following: WP:YFA, WP:Corp, WP:RS and WP:Spam. – ukexpat (talk) 22:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes special page
I'm trying to kick a little life into a more or less non-functional WikiProject (WikiProject Cryptozoology) and thought that adding links to recent changes to wikiproject articles would be a useful tool.

I'm using code such as the following: Articles in Category:Cryptozoology

However, although this will show changes to articles directly in the Cryptozoology category, it doesn't show articles in subcategories. Is there any way of doing this? Simon Burchell (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I would be surprised if there is a way, since a category could have an enormous number of subcategories. See for example Category:People. --Teratornis (talk) 09:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh well, thanks anyway... Simon Burchell (talk) 18:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Wassup wit dat?
Did something change? Today, when I go to edit an article page or a discussion page, I no longer see the toolbar at the top of the "box". Did I do something wrong? Like right now...I can't go to the little toolbar section in order to sign....no italics ...no bold...etc.either. Thanks for the help.Buster7 (talk) 23:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * At Special:Preferences under the "Editing" tab, do you have a checkmark at "Show edit toolbar (JavaScript)"? If you do then has something changed with your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * thanks for the info. I DO have a check there. Ive tried it both ways. still no edit toolbar. But at least I now know where to look. Thanks...I may be back...:-)Buster7 (talk) 01:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You could try clearing the cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a bunch, PH...it was a JavaScript glitch...You saved the Day!--Buster7 (talk) 03:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)