Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 July 10

= July 10 =

help updating
I was wondering if someone who is perhaps less of a luddite than myself could help me update the references and quotes for the recent guardian article on the Lisa Dwan page regarding  Beckett's Not I

as you will see from the history i've tried several times and keep getting it wrong!

Thank you very much Manatee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manatee77 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * First, I have no idea why you decided to fill the page with tons of &lt;br /&gt; tags. There is absolutely no need for them.  Second, refs are very easy.  Type &lt;ref&gt;.  Then, type the web page address you are using as a reference.  Then, type &lt;/ref&gt;.  That will create a basic reference.  Others can come in and improve the appearance of it if you don't want to get into the whole citation template. --  k a i n a w &trade; 02:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Creating A Biography
Recently I attempted to create a biography for Mary May Simon (President, Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami) as a notable person.

The article went for speedy deletion by the bot as a result "copyright infringement" of a, until that time, unknown online biography at the Trent Greens site. The corporate biography of Mary May Simon is public and was obviously used by the Trent Greens for creating their content and now carries their standard copyright notice at the bottom of the page.

I placed the hangon tag on the talk page with a short explanation, the page did not survive the evening.

I have two questions

(1) How can one create the biography of any notable person without repeating information contained in other biographies?

(2) How can this be addressed so that Mary May Simon's bio can be created at Wikipedia?

Thank you

Inuitofcanada (talk) 00:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You need to brush up your knowledge of copyright law, in particular the idea-expression divide. In brief: repeating information found in other bios is fine, but copying their text word-for-word is not. Algebraist 00:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Also important is understanding the difference between copyright violation and plagiarism. Violating copyright is a legal issue, and doing so can get Wikipedia into legal trouble.  Plagiarism is an ethical issue; and is also taken seriously here.  Even if you only take an idea from another work, and paraphase it and place it into your own words, you are still required to cite where you got that idea from.  Since Wikipedia does not accept original research, every idea here must have appeared somewhere else first, and the basic principles of academic honesty require you to give credit to people who came up with ideas you did not come up with.  --Jayron32. talk . contribs  01:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Is http://www.itk.ca/mary-simon-president the corporate biography you refer to? It wasn't listed in your references but it is also copyrighted. http://www.itk.ca/disclaimer-privacy-and-use allows non-commercial use but Wikipedia cannot accept material which is disallowed for commercial use. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Left alligned
Okay I need help. Go to this page (http://enduranceondk.wikia.com/wiki/Endurance#Mission_Summary). How do I get that all left alligned? Cruise meerkat (talk) 03:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the help desk for how to use the English Wikipedia. For help on Wikia, either ask there or see .  hmwith  τ   03:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You can uncenter text on Wikipedia using .   hmwith  τ   03:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Try closing your tag! --69.140.136.28 (talk) 03:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help...I'm pretty sure I don't have a center tag but I'll check, thanks! Cruise meerkat (talk) 03:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hm...no center tag that I can see :/ Anyway I asked Wikia too Cruise meerkat (talk) 03:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

LOL Now I got it!!! Thanks!!! Cruise meerkat (talk) 04:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Discography images
Why do discography infoboxes have an image slot? What type of image is supposed to go there, a photo of the artist? --- Scarce  ||||  Talk  - Contrib. --- 04:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Nirvana discography and The Smashing Pumpkins discography both have photos of the bands, so I'm guessing that is what normally goes here. The important thing here, I think, is that the images used be free ones and not fair use ones. Alexius  Horatius  04:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you refer to Infobox Artist Discography, see the documentation in Template:Infobox Artist Discography. --Teratornis (talk) 04:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

IE8
I am unable to open many Wikipedia pages in IE8. I get a dialog box asking if I want to save the file or find a program online to open it. I have tried joining Wikipedia, adding Wikipedia to my search options, clearing my cache, uninstalling and then reinstalling my Google toolbar. Nothing is helping. Barbnagy (talk) 04:18, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I must set the record straight here - the problem lies solely with IE8. If you want to keep using IE8, use the "emulate IE7 option". If you want to avoid the hassle, might I recommend a browser that actually works - Mozilla Firefox or something similar, like Safari, Opera, or Google Chrome? Calvin 1998 (t·c) 05:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you identify some of the pages in question? In many ways, IE8 is an improvement over its predecessors in terms of compatibility with standards. But I must admit I've found problems with IE8 accessing other sites. --rossb (talk) 06:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I use IE8 and it works fine for me, I have a widescreen monitor and it uses the whole page left to right.--Slateglass (talk) 09:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Here is a page that doesn't work. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Borromeo

There is chatter about this on other boards. Appears to be a MIME problem?

Reconnecting with old account; want to upload photo
I've written and corrected several articles on Wikipedia, but it has been several months. Unfortunately I could not find either the password or the email I had associated with my old user name (Rickm7x), so I created a new one with a new password. I am now Rickw7x2. I wanted to upload a photo to an article I wrote, but notice that there has to be a waiting period of 4 days and 10 contributions. If I can be given credit for the old user name contributions, then I would be able to upload immediately. For personal reasons, I have more time now than I will next week, so if my new user name can be connected with the old one it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you. RickW7x2 (talk) 07:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If your image is licensed so that it can be reused by anyone for anything anywhere, you can upload it to Commons, which has no waiting period. —teb728 t c 08:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but I still have the question about linking my old user name with the new one. Is there a way to do this? An answer would be appreciated. Thank you. 71.109.211.27 (talk) 19:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but if you can't log in to your old account, there is no way to reattribute the edits to your new account. From your new account, you can provide a link to the old account so others can see your previous edits, but there is no way to actually reassign them. TN X Man  13:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Photo and copyright usage
This is related to my previous question. The photo I would like to upload to the article I wrote has a copyright held by my wife, who gives permission for it to be used solely for this article. How would I upload this photo, and what do I write? Do I write "Copyright (c) name"?

Thank you RickW7x2 (talk) 07:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not accept permission for use only on Wikipedia, much less for one article. Wikipedia wants images that can be reused by anyone for anything. To be used at all your image would have to be used under U.S. fair use law, which allows limited use without the copyright owner's permission. For such a restricted image you would need to use a non-free copyright tag from WP:ICT/FU and a non-free use rational, explaining why no free substitute could possibly be created and why readers could not understand the article without the image—probably an impossible task. Wikipedia restricts non-free images even more than the law. See Non-free content criteria for other restrictions. —teb728 t c 08:55, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Linking to Graphics on Other WikiPedias
I would like to use a graphic

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/2/29/Taisho_goto.jpg

which is on the Japanese WikiPedia.

1st Question: Is there any way I could put that picture on an ENGLISH WikiPedia article?

2nd Question: Isn't content on other WikiPedia articles public domain? (Meaning, if I can't directly link to other language WikiPedia content, can't I just download it and upload it to the English WikiPedia?)

Kogejoe (talk) 08:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ja:ファイル:Taisho goto.jpg is not in the public domain, but it is licensed under the GFDL, which means that you could upload a copy to English Wikipedia—or better yet Commons. Not all images have a free license that allows that. —teb728 t c 09:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Uploading to Commons is much better than uploading to English Wikipedia, because from there it can be used on any Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 09:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It worked!

Kogejoe (talk) 12:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

help!!
I had asked a question about frequency and oscillations under the science section in "where to ask questions" page.but now i am unable locate it or any other post regarding that question.What should i do now?(I am not a member at wikipedia!).Please help!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.103.10 (talk) 09:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The page you are looking for is called the Reference Desk. This link will take you straight to your question. In the future, if you ever have trouble finding a page you edited, there is a link on the top right corner of every page called 'my contributions'. Clicking it will bring up a list of all your edits, so you will be able to find the page you are looking for from there. Raven4x4x (talk) 10:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Although, as an anonymous user you won't get this. SpitfireTally-ho! 10:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, but from Special:Contributions/210.212.103.10 you can find the question the OP asked. &mdash; QuantumEleven 11:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I left a message on their talk page. This ensures they get the response, or at least know where it's located. a little   insignificant  12:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Special:Mycontributions works for both IP's and registered users, but you have to either type it in the search box or click your way through to a link, for example with "Special pages" in the toolbox to the left, then the "special pages" link near the top, and finally "Special:MyContributions" in the "Personal" section. IP's cannot be expected to figure that out. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi
I have been away from wikipedia for about a year. Can someone please point me to some key discussions that have gone on in my absence? (eg new proposals that have been passed or taken as policy, or that have had a major impact despite not being passed). I appreciate the time and effort this will take but thanks anyway. -- Casmith_789 (talk) 09:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The major one that comes to mind would be WP:FLAGGED (still ongoing) SpitfireTally-ho! 10:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: and welcome back! SpitfireTally-ho! 10:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You may also want to browse through the back issues of the Wikipedia Signpost. Welcome back! &mdash; QuantumEleven 11:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! -- Casmith_789 (talk) 13:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

asking
what is the meaning of disambugation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.200.111.191 (talk) 13:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A disambiguation page shows different articles that may have the same title. For example, Pleasantview lists different articles that have the same title, but refer to different things. You may also find this Wiktionary entry useful. TN X Man  13:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * See also Disambiguation for more about the meaning in Wikipedia. Some but not all titles of disambiguation pages end with "(disambiguation)". PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Mahjongg Master 4
In the game, Mahjongg Master 4, there is a photo of a deep hole with water surrounded by forest and a river flowing in or out of it with a road at the top edge of the hole and a car appears to be parked near it. Where is the location of the photo and what part of the world is this shot from? This being such a great shot I thought it would be easy to locate it, but I have found it is not. Thank you for any assistance you can provide. rwram —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwram (talk • contribs) 14:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. &mdash; QuantumEleven 14:18, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

my talk
can other people type to you? if so, how? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordan Waller (talk • contribs) 14:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, they use your talk page, which is located at (in your case) User talk:Jordan Waller. They leave you messages by editing the usertalk page the same way that you edited this page, new messages always go to the bottom. Whenever someone edits your talk page you will receive a notification, all the best SpitfireTally-ho! 14:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Note though that it is not real-time chat and user talk pages are for discussing issues pertinent to Wikipedia and not for social networking. – ukexpat (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is also set up with an automation service. A user will be informed when they have recieved a message once they enter the wikipedia site. A link will appear that will take you to your talk page. The box appears orange. Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Creation and linkage to google.
How soon will one know if an article is notable and worthy of not being deleted? How does one link the article to google if it is considered worthy? I would also like some help with templates and linking an article to a Portal. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1111elena (talk • contribs) 15:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello! There is no "time" by when you'll know if an article will be deleted or not - it can happen at any time. I had a look at your article Joanna Sime and it's not bad, you have done a good job on citing references. Perhaps other editors can chime in with their comments?
 * Concerning templates and portals, we have a ton of each! You can start with Portal, Template messages and Help:Templates - but, given the size and complexity of these pages, you'd probably be better off looking at some similar articles, and, by clicking "edit this page", seeing what templates they used. Don't hesitate to come back here to ask another question if something isn't clear!
 * Concerning your page turning up on a Google search, this is out of our control - Google regularly scans the internet for new pages, but it may take several days or weeks to even show up on the Google search results. Additionally, Google uses an algorithm to determine what pages are more "relevant" for any given search, so your page may end up being very low down the search results. &mdash; QuantumEleven 15:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no probationary period for articles. Articles can be nominated for deletion at any time per one of the three process (WP:CSD, WP:PROD and WP:AFD) provided the appropriate criteria apply and the processes followed. Note that speedy deletion refers to the process not to the time after creation. Just FYI Deletionpedia even has a list of articles deleted after 1000 days on Wikipedia. Oh, and my usual Google rant: we are here to build an encyclopedia, this is not a Google ranking contest. – ukexpat (talk) 15:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if it was nominated for deletion and that process you can certaintly make a strong argument to keep the article. References are there. enough quantity there, notability is established. It needs a bit of polishing but thats not grounds for removing an article. All in all I wouldnt worry too much over the article meeting the requirements. But again deletion can occur at any time, and be nominated by anyone. The best advice I can give is read WP:notability. That way you can be familliar with what makes a biography article notable and in the case of a deletion debate you can adequately expalain the notability of your article (Though i think its well on its way to being established in my opinion, good solid effort). Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ukexpat is correct concerning Google - thank you for hammering home the point :) &mdash; QuantumEleven 15:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Paid Propaganda
Does Wikipedia have a plan to deal with this sort of paid propaganda. Thanks - KappaD (talk) 15:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The processes that are already in place seem to be working OK. This group tried something like this earlier (couldn't find the discussion), but it was stopped pretty easily. So long as we stick to insisting on a neutral point of view and reliable sources, we should be OK. TN X Man  15:23, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There's also a discussion about paid editing that's ongoing. &mdash; QuantumEleven 15:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Nalere Family
Hi, I belong to Nalere family so I am updating this (Nalere) article. I am a registered user at Wikipedia. Basically this family (cost) is residing in Pakistan than why this article is placed in India Articles Category. Moreover I would like to ask that how can i control this article to avoid wrong or unnecessary changes. Regards, Faisal Hayat faisal3262 (Wikipedia Account) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisal3262 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You cannot "control" the article - articles are open to editing by anyone (except when protected and that's not relevant here). As you have a conflict of interest you should not edit the article directly, but rather discuss on its talk page the changes that you think should be made, and support your comments with reliable sources. – ukexpat (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Becoming an admin
How do you become an wikipedia admin —Preceding unsigned comment added by XtremeDude39 (talk • contribs)


 * See Requests for adminship. Candidates need thousands of edits to have a chance. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The first step is to be an active Wikipedian for several months without getting into trouble. Since you seem to have blown your chances of that already, I recommend creating a new account and contributing usefully with it. Algebraist 15:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It takes alot of time patience and commitment to the project. I would recommend reading other canidates proposals at Requests for adminship to see reasons why people would want to be admin what duties they would have and how much work is required. You may even see that its not something you want to put yourself through, or decide its a good long term goal. Have a looksee  Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Step one: learn how to sign your messages! – ukexpat (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You will also notice on the page and in its history many users who enter prematurely often get WP:Snow. Which is closed very quickly Ottawa4ever (talk) 16:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As will the RFA that this user has just opened. – ukexpat (talk) 16:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ...if it ever gets filled out and transcluded correctly. Xenon54 (talk) 17:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget familiarizing the policies. A first good target is to achieve rollback rights.  Zoo Fari  16:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Inappropriate tone
If an article is measured as possibly having an inappropriate tone and the reasons for it - like placing a logo of a firm - obviously don't exist, who is allowed to delete that or how can editors been contacted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.225.136.163 (talk) 16:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Articles with inappropriate tone should not be deleted but improved instead (unless it obviously fails one of the notability guidelines). Inappropriate images are not considered "tone", but files that should be deleted are listed here. You can also contact the author by looking at the article's history (next to the edit tab) and look for the earliest revision, which is the editor who created it.  Zoo Fari  16:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, Thank you. I didn't want to delete an article, but simply trying to find out who is in charge of placing or removing an above comment that an article's tone might be inappropriate. Can you help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.225.136.163 (talk) 16:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What's the article?  Zoo Fari  16:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egon_Zehnder_International - Since I am a member of this firm, I, of course, don't want to remove the above box talking about the possible inapropriate tone, this should be done by someone "external" and I just wonder who is taking care ... Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.225.136.163 (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The article was awful and simply an advert - I've stubbed it. --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I was going to G11 it, but you beat me to it. I guess it barely passes muster under CSD, A7. – ukexpat (talk) 17:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for approval/comment on creating new article with potential COI
In the past couple weeks, I have been working on two articles, about director Seth Gordon (King of Kong) and H*Commerce: The Business of Hacking You, an online film series he directed for McAfee, the antivirus software maker. McAfee being a client of my employer, I have a potential conflict of interest with both, and so was working with a few editors at WikiProject Films to make sure they were appropriately written and sourced. The Gordon article was quickly approved, but H*Commerce needed a bit more work, and it remains on my user subpage.

As you can see in the page History, others have helped edit for tone and grammar, and pronounced it nearly ready before changes that were subsequently made. Alas, when I have followed up to ask for approval they've apparently moved on to other tasks. It's been a few days since the last time I asked, and those discussion pages are very quiet, so I am coming here instead. I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could review the proposed article and make a judgment on whether it is ready to take live. Whether you move it or OK me to move it doesn't matter to me. Or if you believe it is still not ready for the mainspace, I am happy to do whatever is necessary. Thanks, NMS Bill (talk) 16:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You don't need "approval". If you think it's ready for the mainspace, go ahead and move it. You will soon see whether other editors have issues with it. I took a quick look and it looks OK to me. – ukexpat (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks fine to me as well. --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool, much appreciated. I want to be careful where COI issues are involved, so I figure better safe than sorry. I'll move it shortly. Thanks, NMS Bill (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You should, however, disclose your COI on your user page (which I see you have done) and on the article's talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 17:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Good point. Just added to the H*Commerce talk page now. Thanks again! NMS Bill (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You may want to look at user disclosure. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

verifacation
I am submiting a page for a new book that is being released in Aug. I am looking for information on proving its validity. What do I need to do for that and where do I show it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beela13 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If it has not yet been published it is highly unlikely that it is notable. Take a look at WP:BK for guidance on our notability requirements for books. Also take a look at WP:CRYSTAL, WP:RS, WP:SPAM and WP:YFA. – ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * And you may want to look into the conflict of interest policy. Dismas |(talk) 19:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, as its author is also unknown (I'm assuming you don't mean Jeffrey Brown (New York)) then he is also not notable. Even if the book was to be the most notable book ever published in the whole of history, it won't be that *before* it has been published! I'd wait until it has been published for a year or so, and then when it's been in the New York Times best-seller list for that year, an article could be written about it - although your 'notes' on your user page would need quite a bit of work!  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 13:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

File:Amstrad PCW 16 01.png
Threatened w deletion. Don't understand the alledged grounds, no link to anything helpful - i.e. as totally unhelpful as most of the images policy stuff. What the heck am I supposed to do? --Philcha (talk) 20:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You have claimed the image as your own work, which it clearly is not, it's a screen cap of a copyrighted work. – ukexpat (talk) 20:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The non-free use rationale taht you provided and the non-free software screenshot that I added should be sufficient. I removed the deletion warning. —teb728 t c 21:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

People With Same Name
Hello, I'm currently trying to create a new page for one of my favourite authors by the name of Brian Keany, their already exsists a page for a Brain Keany (a recently deceased painter) so I can't create the page with the search and approve device given on the first new article page. I'm realitively new, and have only done edits thus far and I'm ondering how I can go about making this new page. MasteroftheWord (talk) 21:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:Disambiguation. In brief: you should create your article at Brian Keany (author) or somesuch thing. Algebraist 21:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Warren Etheredge
helpme Can any one assist me in making the entry for Warren Etheredge meet standards with catagorizing and links et al? He's pretty darn notable in the film world, but I can't tell if Ive met the criteria with my entry. Help! C. Murfin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherylmurfin (talk • contribs)


 * It certainly looks like it meets the notability criteria. When I get home I will take a look at the formatting, cats etc. – ukexpat (talk) 21:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned it up a bit for you.  The left orium  22:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Farrah Fawcett's siblings???
I understand that Farrah Fawcett (Charlie's Angel's fame) had a sister who also died of cancer. Her name was Diane? Why is there no mention of her in the biography? What do you know about her sister or other siblings? Was Farrah actually an only child?

Just curious..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.185.198 (talk) 22:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * She is mentioned in the personal life section: "Fawcett's elder sister, Diane Fawcett Walls, died from lung cancer just before her 63rd birthday, on October 16, 2001."  The left orium  22:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)