Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 July 30

= July 30 =

Citing specific pages
At Mummy Cave, I'm citing four separate pages or page combinations from the same document, and so I can cite everything properly, I've included complete citations for each one. For simplicity's sake, I'd like to use a certain template, but I can't remember the name: can someone remind me what it is? The template I want can be used to provide a specific page number after the citation; for example, after "the reason for its diversion are unknown" on this page, I'd like it to read " [5]:8, 10 ". Nyttend (talk) 23:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds like Rp. See also Footnotes and Citing sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Template applied; this is what I wanted. Thanks!  Nyttend (talk) 00:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikitable
I made a table like below: and its source: {|class="wikitable" !cell B
 * + main table
 * cell A
 * colspan="2"|
 * colspan="2"|

I used class="wikitable" in main table, but I don't want it also applied to sub-table, then what should I do? --百楽兎 (talk) 00:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * }


 * Could you please clarify? Are you trying to remove the sub-table...  • S • C  • A • R  • C • E •   05:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think he wants to remove class="wikitable" styling (background, border, alignment, padding, etc) from the sub-table. But since it is inside a table with that styling, it inherits that styling by the rules of HTML. The only solutions I see are to explicitly negate any styling he doesn’t want or to move the inner table out of the outer table. I recommend the latter. —teb728 t c 05:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, my purpose is as teb728 said. I found a class in mediawiki:common.css called "borderless" but doesn't workGnome-face-sad.svg --百楽兎 (talk) 09:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What properties do you want to remove or add? You can edit them separately and make it different from the appearance of the default table. If you could explain exactly what you want, we can help with it. ≈ Chamal  talk 10:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I just want to make sub-table borderless. Remove cell C & D's borders.--百楽兎 (talk) 11:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * An interesting question. I can't see a way to do this. Do you know how to do it in HTML mark-up? --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 11:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You can add  |style="border:none"  in front of the line for each cell. Like this: Which produces: {|class="wikitable" !cell B
 * + main table
 * cell A
 * colspan="2"|
 * colspan="2"|

Hope that helps. Cheers. ≈ Chamal  talk 11:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * }


 * Thanks. But why is there not a class to do the job like class="wikitable"? --百楽兎 (talk) 11:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A neat solution, Chamal! 百楽兎, I'm guessing it's because no many people have needed to use it! I'm not sure where you could request this as a feature on wiki, otherwise I would direct you there! --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 11:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Class wikitable is defined at MediaWiki:Common.css; the first part defines the table margin, background and border, the th rules define the table header, the td rules define the cells and the caption rule defines the caption, a total of nine rules. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Wiki editing tool?
Hi, was just wondering if there is a way to edit Wikipedia with a WYSIWYG interface, since I'm terrible at interpreting Wiki markup. I'm currently using Firefox and the wikEd gadget to edit. I often have a bajillion tabs open; references, help pages and articles similar to the one I'm editing to see what conventions are in place. In this regard Firefox works well, but for editing, not so much. I'm thinking of a WordPress-like editing window, which also provides a normal code editing mode. Does such a tool exist, in-browser or out? Thanks. BlazerKnight (talk) 01:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You bring up an excellent point, and we've noticed. That's why we have our Usability Initiative, which is trying to bring a WYSIWYG editor to Wikipedia (amongst other things). I believe some developers are working on a Google Wave interface to Wikipedia. But we don't have one yet (look for it in the future!) Calvin 1998 (t·c) 01:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the swift response. Will keep an eye on that project. BlazerKnight (talk) 01:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You might also see WP:EIW and WP:EIW. However, learning wikitext is far simpler than understanding Wikipedia's incredibly complex policies, guidelines, and procedures. Figuring out what to type is usually more difficult than figuring out how to type it. Most editing uses just the markup on WP:CHEAT. See Help:Editing and Help:Wikitext examples for most of the rest. The easiest method is often to find some article that has the kind of formatting you want, and then you can copy and edit from its wikitext. Things get more complicated with tables and templates. A WYSIWYG table editor could be nice. Template coding is essentially like learning a programming language (without a debugger!), and decades of progress with software development tools generally haven't done much to simplify programming. See No Silver Bullet. --Teratornis (talk) 05:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

email to upload image
I am not an autoconfirmed user. Is there an email where I can just attach the picture to and have you upload it?

Thanks.

Attentionsports —Preceding unsigned comment added by Attentionsports (talk • contribs) 04:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, see Contact us/Photo submission, or just do 10 edits and wait 4 days, you're already half way there. For more information see WP:Autoconfirmed  • S • C  • A • R  • C • E •   05:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If the picture is in the public domain, under a free license or you own the copyright and are willing to release it under a free license, then it shouldn't be uploaded on Wikipedia at all, but to the Wikimedia Commons (sign up). Once uploaded there it can be immediately used here, or on any other language Wikipedia or sister site. Apropros of your question, there is no autoconfirmed threshold at the Commons, so not only is the the correct place to upload a free image, but it avoids the wait. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Clearing a block log
I was recently the recipient of a bad block. The blocking admin and many others agree that it was so, and the blocking admin has apologized. Is it technically possible to get that block removed from my block log? Brangifer (talk) 05:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm aware, it's not possible to remove entries from a block log unless a developer manually does so. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 05:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Please take a look here, where a suggestion has been made. Brangifer (talk) 05:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * So what is information on how to use Wikipedia do you want from the Help desk? If it is how to ask ChrisG to do that, you can leave him a message at User talk:ChrisG. (I don't recommend sending him an email.) —teb728 t c 06:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Unless other suggestions are forthcoming here, I will probably do that. I was hoping that someone here knew of a better method than using one more block and quick unblock to add a note, as suggested on my talk. (And yes, I agree that it might not be best to send him an email ;-) Brangifer (talk) 06:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Is this something that someone with Oversight priveleges could remedy? I'm not sure if it is, but the list of these users are at Special:ListUsers/suppress. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 08:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ignore that - they deal with deletions not blocks. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 08:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Problems with images
In this article: All Hope Is Gone World Tour some of the images aren't appearing correctly, they show the tag to show the image as text isntead of the image itself. How can this be fixed? REZTER  TALK &oslash;  08:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * All the images appear when I look at it. Perhaps a setting in your Internet Options is incorrect? If you are using IE7, go to Tools>InternetOptions>Advanced and make sure that in the Accessibility section, the Always expand ALT text for images is unchecked. If using another browser, there will be an equivalent somewhere! --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 08:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That checkbox exists in IE 6 also. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Which ones specifically? I'm running li'l ol' IE 6, and I can see a bunch of images. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 08:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Human Genome Organization (HUGO) Article
Human Genome Organisation, (HUGO) is one of the oldest international genome organisations in the world. Established in 1988 by a consortium of some of the world's leading human geneticists, the primary ethos of HUGO is to promote and sustain international collaboration in the field of human genetics and genomics. HUGO is entering the 20th year of its history by making an inflection in its direction, with the human genome sequenced, HUGO is seeking the biological meaning of its information content.

We at HUGO would like to start up a new WikiProject to work on HUGO’s Wikipedia article. We hope to provide both the scientific community and the general public with accurate yet impartial information about our involvement with the Human Genome Project and about our current standing as a non-profit, charitable organisation aiming to better global health through genomic medicine and research by focusing on the medical implications of genomic knowledge. Moving forward, HUGO is also working to enhance the genomic capabilities in the emerging countries of the world. We know that Wikipedia’s goal is to have a comprehensive encyclopedic, quality source of information, a goal that we could like to help editors achieve.

We’re very excited with the prospect of helping out with a WikiProject on HUGO, as we can assist and allow access to information about our organisation with greater ease. Please do take a look at our Declaration of Interest on our user page (user:HUmanGenomeOrg) and let us know if we can help in any way. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.116.45.122 (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comment. As you have an obvious conflict of interest, may I suggest that you place these comments (and any details that you wanted added to the page) on the HUGO talkpage and the Human Genome Project talkpage? Regards, --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 09:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The User:HUmanGenomeOrg user page has been deleted as promotional, and the account has been blocked as a WP:SPAMNAME. Wikipedia does not tolerate promotional content. And a user account must be for an individual not a group. If individuals at HUGO would like to contribute to articles other than the HUGO article, they should create individual usernames. But bear in mind: Wikipedia does not accept original research and it does not tolerate promotional content. As PhantomSteve said, any changes individuals at HUGO might like to make to the HUGO article should be proposed at the HUGO talkpage. —teb728 t c 22:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Redirecting a page
I recently created a page and now when I search it, it redirects to another page. Is there a way to find out why it was rolled up and redirected and who did it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TSI2009 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume you mean NASCAR Hall of Fame Nominees? There is a section on the nominees on the main NASCAR Hall of Fame page, hence the redirect. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 12:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Check the page history. Anyway, this is the edit in question, made by User:Smashville. You can also see his reason for doing that in the edit summary. You can contact him here if you want. ≈ Chamal  talk 12:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, under the page title it'll say "Redirected from ..." (Example: Nightmare on Elm Street)  • S • C  • A • R  • C • E •   13:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion and deletion discussions
A page concerning a most likely nonexistent book (Dreams of a Playa) was nominated for deletion by me. An editor (IP user who is most likely the same person as the author) added clearly false information to make it seem notable, making it effectively a blatant hoax, and thus eligible for speedy deletion. Is it okay to tag articles for speedy deletion if they become eligible before the discussion is complete? Kotiwalo (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Or should the misinformation reverted? That sounds feasible to me. Kotiwalo (talk) 13:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't quote me on this, but I think a discussion has been closed early for speedy deletion a few times. Obviously this one is one of the most qualified for an early close. I suppose you can go ahead and tag it, the worst thing that could happen is that the tag would be declined. Reverting would be too much work - it's safe to assume that the user is like 99.99% of vandals and will add it back. (And is it just me or does "the book written in English" look a lot like a random book written in German?) Xenon54 (talk) 13:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The image is of a machinery textbook written in German. Some Google searching has convinced me to 99% that this is a hoax, and is therefore (IMO) eligible for a speedy. &mdash; QuantumEleven 13:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (addendum) However, since it's currently being destroyed in AfD, I doubt it's worth putting it through the speedy deletion process as it's going to be deleted anyway. &mdash; QuantumEleven 13:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I reverted the misinformation anyway. It is vandalism all the same. Hoaxes have to be extremely blatant to be eligible. The article (sans the misinformation added by the IP) has very little content that could be called blatant misinformation. Although I'm very sure that the IP is the creator of the article or some affiliated meatpuppet, I can't be sure, and thus, the article can't be speedied simply because it was vandalized. Kotiwalo (talk) 13:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

1) How to insert non-breaking space 2) How to insert borders around a table I have imported from Word.
Okay fairly new to creating article on Wikipedia. Can anyone tell me how to insert a non-breaking space and also how to insert borders around a table imported from Word? Is there a page that lists all the formatting marks? Your assistance is appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.142.197.33 (talk) 13:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia uses special coding that will take some time to learn. To add a no-break space is simple (type ; - don't forget the ";"), but to properly add a table will take significantly more time. Read through Help:Table for starters. Xenon54 (talk) 13:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (after edit conflict) For table borders, see Help:Table &mdash; QuantumEleven 13:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You did say Word, but I use a template created by Helferlein (scroll down to Microsoft Excel). I've found that very useful. The section just above Excel talks about tools for Word, it mentions that wikEd can be used easily, I'll have to try that myself. If the Word option doesn't work, it is usually easy to get a table from Word to Excel.-- SPhilbrick  T  13:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Can you tell me exactly where the formatting marks for a non-breaking space would go:  For example, I want "Agenda Item" (in bold also) to stay on one line with a non-breaking space. Not sure where the ";" goes. I will check into the above help areas for borders. Thanks again.205.142.197.33 (talk) 14:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Forget it. Figured it out. Thanks.205.142.197.33 (talk) 14:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

How to remove the speedy deletion tag the 'proper' way
I created an article which was immediately flagged as a candidate for speedy deletion because it had been previously deleted. I added the holdon tag, but want to know the process for having the speedy deletion tag removed, as the article author I hesitate to remove it myself, and am not sure what the exact process is. Do I just need a different user to do it, or is there some special fanfare or hoops I need to jump through to have the page considered legit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeremybox (talk • contribs) 15:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A couple of thoughts - the first paragraph is a copy from this page About Evolution. Secondly, you need to find reliable third-party references to the event (youtube videos are not counted as reliable - they can be uploaded by anyone). It is good that you have contributed to the discussion page, but unless you can re-write the article to make it sound less like an advert, along with those references, it would be unlikely to be kept. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 15:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A further thought - on the discussion page, you say this is recognized as the most influential event in the United States related to the fighting game genre - if you can find reliable references to this, where independent sources say this (preferably somewhere like a world-reknown newspaper or such like), that would not harm your chances! A Google News search showed 4 hits - all about the 2009 event (see Google News Search for "Evolution Championship Series". A quick search on the main Google Web search yielded over 2,500 hits - but quickly looking through the hits did not find any reliable sites that mention it. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 15:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC) postscript Of the hits, one of them mentioned using "Evolution Championship Series" rules, the others are websites which would not meet the criteria for reliability. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me ,  My Contribs ) 15:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You don't get to remove the speedy tag. An admin will review the article and decide whether it meets any of the CSD criteria or not, and if it does s/he will delete it; if it doesn't meet any of the criteria, or the admin thinks the subject might be notable s/he will remove the speedy tag. All you can do in the meantime is to add hangon, provide your reasoning on the talk page and add reliable sources as citations if the article lacks those. Try to address the concern for which the tag was placed there. --59.95.100.255 (talk) 15:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I found an article on wikipedia that is about the player that won the event Daigo Umehara that contains several references to evo 2009 and other years as well. Would this be considered a good starting point, as I realize the subject is a video gaeme tournament, and finging info in a newspaper might be difficult. The entire page has been deleted and I don't want to just undelete it and get into a delete/undelete war, as I really want to get this article legitimized. I have contacted the founder of the event regarding use of the logo and description, as well as requesting any more information he can provide, and am waiting for his response. With over 30,000 people watching someone play a videogame, and every competative gamer in the genre recognizing the event, I really feel that there should be an article about it. Also if one was to google gamestop evo street fighter there are several results, as gamestop sponsored a major tournament this year, with the top prize including a high placement in the pools for the evo tournament.Jeremybox (talk) 04:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If there are no articles about this event in reliable sources, that can be considered evidence that it is not in fact notable enough for its own article. Perhaps it should be a paragraph in an article on video game tournaments as a whole? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  14:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the Fighting Game tournament equivalent of "Wrestlemania" in professional wrestling. I am having a difficult time finding 'reliable sources' for this, as being on the subject of video gaming, it is not something that is extremely visable. The more I research the closer I think I am getting, but I still don't know what would qualify. There was a post on Seth Killian (Capcom's Community manager, and inspiration for the name of the final boss of the game)'s blog about this year's event, http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog/2009/07/30/evo_2009_vids_kicks_and_pix as well as an embedded youtube video (obviously not the most reputable source, but tens of thousands of fighting game enthusiasts will see this video (based on the fact that well over half a million views of "evo moment #37 from 2004" have been seen on youtube for the first result yielded)) I am also mainly contesting not only that this event is noteworthy, but the reason for deletion was "(G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)" where I was not advertising for the event, and I had an entire section dedicated to WHY this is important or significant with "evo moments" which are a major part of fighting game enthusiast's vernacular. Also, as this event is considered *the* premier tournament in the US each year, having the results of the winners of each game is important to gamers, as whoever wins their event is considered in the fighting game community as the best of the best, and these players are household names (among gamers). The most reliable source for information would be the website www.shoryuken.com, but I don't know how to show that shoryuken.com is a reputable source either. Also at the last minute I found another reference on another Capcom blog by Seth Killian http://blog.capcom.com/archives/78 Jeremybox (talk) 14:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC) (also I have no idea if something I did caused this to be formatted funny and I am sorry but on my screen it is being rendered really funky) Jeremybox (talk) 14:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

How do you change a picture?
I am a publicist from New York, and I want to change the picture on my client's Wikipedia. How do I do this? Thank you.

Cjill0190 (talk) 15:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Upload the image and use it in the article. See Help:Images and Image use policy for image syntax and copyright details. --59.95.100.255 (talk) 16:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Be sure you license the picture under a free license like cc-by-sa-3.0. —teb728 t c 16:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * For information specifically for you situation, see Contact us/Photo submission.  hmwith τ   16:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle vs Rollback
Hello. I've been using twinkle to revert vandalism for a bit now, and after hearing about rollback and reading about it, it seems identical? What are the pros of it over twinkle? Thanks --Ruyter ''' face="Brush Script MT" font color=#29AB87>Contrib 16:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Rollback is faster than Twinkle revert and also easier on the servers. --59.95.100.255 (talk) 16:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Rollback is more efficient and quicker. Twinkle is nice (in my opinion), because it has functions other than just rollback. However, you're just as responsible for edits made with both.  hmwith τ   16:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Rollback also carries with it an added responsibility because the edit is actually removed from the viewable database. If you feel that you have enough experience with reverting vandalism, you can request rollback at: WP:PERM. — Ched :  ?  23:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

"Caution" warning when I try to save a new page
I am trying to save a new page on called CamShare (carsharing); I've included the text below for your reference. I keep getting a Caution saying "Caution: An automated filter has identified this edit as a possible autobiography. Please be aware that writing autobiographies is strongly discouraged, and may result in the article being deleted. For more info, please see Autobiographies and Conflict of Interest." The page I am creating is nothing like an autobiography, it is about sustainable travelling. Is there something in my text that is triggering this caution? What can I do to make it stop and allow me to save the page? Thanks, Cat CamShare (talk) 16:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Your username matches the name of page your are trying to create; the software is warning you about conflict of interest that you have. --59.95.100.255 (talk) 16:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Your username may be a violation of Wikipedia’s username policy because it appears to be intended to promote CamShare - Cambridgeshire. Because of your conflict of interest you should not be creating or editing an article about that organization. If you would like to work on other articles, you should choose another username. —teb728 t c 17:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It is a violation as a WP:SPAMNAME and has been blocked. – ukexpat (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

CamShare has been active since 2002 and has over 1,500 members. It enables people who travel to, from or through Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom to share a car or bicycle journey.

The potential of carsharing
With over 1,600 journeys registered on CamShare, there is an estimated saving of 528,720 miles. This large saving from 20,151,966 miles assuming that noone is carsharing demonstrates the huge potential for shared travel to reduce the number of cars on roads, thereby reducing harmful [pollutants] that affect the [natural environment].

National acceptance of carsharing
The United Kingdom has several other carsharing operations, such as National Carshare.

See also
 * Carsharing
 * List of carsharing operators
 * Transport in the United Kingdom

References
 * [Carshare Cities of 2009]
 * [The New York Times "Carsharing Reinvents the Company Wheels"]
 * [Independent "Car Share Lanes"]

External links
 * CamShare - Cambridgeshire
 * Travel for Work
 * Streetcar

Move request
I tried to move an article from user space to a main page using the instructions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves and the template
 * Old page name →  — Reason for move — SDTiner (talk) 16:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

on the discussion page of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sdtiner/%22financial_organizing%22, but I never saw the request appear at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves. Does it take the bot longer than a day to post a move request?


 * Irrespective of why the move request has not shown up, the draft looks like spam for NAPO disguised as an article -- please take a look at WP:SPAM. – ukexpat (talk) 16:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I checked out WP:SPAM. – but it does not say that clarifying a process offered as service recognized by a non-profit professional association, in this case NAPO, is spam. For example, the entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_planner describes the process and links to non-profits that provide oversight of persons providing the planning service. Would it work better leave out the reference to NAPO and just include NAPO as an external link? SDTiner (talk) 17:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that would help...the article doesn't look that appropriate for Wikipedia - it looks a lot like spam. Spam on Wikipedia is an article that advertises something or is otherwise unencyclopaedic, as this article seems to be. Wikipedia articles are about notable topics based on facts published in reliable sources that are then cited correctly in the article. Blogs in particular are not reliable sources. The article must not be biased towards one point of view. Meet all those guidelines and the article will probably stick, otherwise it will probably be deleted. Xenon54 (talk) 17:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I looked at your draft, and I agree with Ukexpat - it looks like spam. This may not be your intention, but I see no assertion of the notability of the subject. Links to the professional bodies involved are not assertions of notability - and is why it appears to be spam. Can you find reliable third-party citations? --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 17:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the WP:ARTSPAM section - at the moment it looks like an article promoting NAPO and its members' activities thinly disguised as an article about "financial organizing". The only way to fix it is to completely rewrite it from a neutral POV with proper references from reliable sources, or head over to WP:AFC and make a request for the article to be created by others. – ukexpat (talk) 17:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

These are good points and suggestions. If you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_organizing and click on the hot links for the sub-specialty "Financial/Bookkeeping" you'll see these go to completely unrelated Finance and Bookkeeping topics. As a financial organizer, I know what the process involves and wanted to describe it, then edit the Professional organizing page and change "Financial/Bookkeeping" to "Financial Organizing" with a link through to my page.

It's easy to remove the blog references. The other references are 3rd party references to published books and media articles.

Maybe I should just rewrite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_organizing from a more neutral point of view and add a section on financial organizing? SDTiner (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Please vote... just kidding?
Am I the only one who clicks the "Please Vote." link in the banner on the top of my screen, only to go to a page that tells me: "Sorry, you are not in the predetermined list of users authorised to vote in this election."? (Besides the fact that "authorised" is supposed to be spelled authorized) AHRtbA== Talk 18:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "supposed to be"? Read this, please. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  19:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry about that. My FF Spell Checker was marking it wrong. Do you see the same page I see? Thanks. AHRtbA== Talk 19:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * In which election are you trying to vote? We can narrow it down a little better if we knew. TN X Man  20:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The "Wikimedia Board of Trustees election" poll (full message: "The Wikimedia Board of Trustees election has started. Please vote."), which I though was a standard bar on all accounts. Or is it just on my account? :) It's this poll. Thanks. AHRtbA== Talk 20:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. OK, do you meet the requirements laid out here? TN X Man  21:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe it is standard on all accounts, which is a bit unfortunate, because not all are eligible. My guess is that the criteria isn't easy enough to calculate on the fly, so they can't just show it to eligible voters. The reason you were asked is that there are other "elections" going on - admins, oversight and checkuser, and a bureaucrat just finished, so it's a busy time.-- SPhilbrick  T  04:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

@TNX: I looked at the page... I do believe I qualify... It doesn't 100% matter to me if I can vote, I was just wondering if it was a bug or something. @BRICK: It would be nice if they pre-calculated. At least they should do a DB query when it starts and mark the users that are eligible. :) Thanks. AHRtbA== Talk 16:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Editing a table
Im wanting to edit the table in the "Openings" section of 2009 in theatre article, but it seems way too complicated for me to understand how to edit it. It there an easier way of adding data into a table lik this or does it have to be done manually? I just can't get my head around it Mark E (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, it does look pretty complicated. It would be cool if there was a tool that made them in a plainly understandable version. I think you can find some help with tables in general in the Help section. Thanks. AHRtbA== Talk 19:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ye i've had a read through but still struggling hehe. tried the excel converter but doesnt seem to work very well at all. Mark E (talk) 20:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The name
I'm looking for the name of this symbol in english. Thanks. Lord Hidelan (talk) 20:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Algebraist 20:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

mastadon tusk.
I have a mastadon tusk. The other half is in a museum, How do I get the two pieces together and what is it worth? please contact me at —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.103.14 (talk) 20:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our roughly three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. TN X Man  20:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Moving a page
I've been trying to move a couple of pages that have clearly incorrect titles (example: trying to move 2009–10 Hawai'i Warriors women's basketball team to the correct "2009–10 Hawaii Rainbow Wahine basketball team"), but I get an error message stating "No target — You have not specified a target page or user on which to perform this function." Just so you know, I'm an admin, which means that AFAIK, I should be able to make the move. Could someone help here? Thanks. — Dale Arnett (talk) 21:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I attempted it, and it seemed to work. Did you specify the new name when trying? Thanks. AHRtbA== Talk 21:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the move. No, I didn't specify the new name... but normally, when I click on "Move this page", a screen comes up that allows me to specify the new page name. It never made it to that screen in the first place. — Dale Arnett (talk) 21:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * When you click the move tab it should produce a url like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MovePage/2009%E2%80%9310_Hawai%27i_Warriors_women%27s_basketball_team. If the page name is missing so you only have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MovePage then you get the error message you quoted. Do you click the normal move tab at top of the page when you try to move a page? Which url do you have when you see the error message? Does it help to completely clear your cache. Which skin and browser do you use? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we may be getting close to an answer. This is the URL I got when I clicked "Move" on the original article: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MovePage&target=2009%25E2%2580%259310_Hawai%2527i_Warriors_women%2527s_basketball_team Apparently, there's some bug having to do with the characters that were in the original article title. — Dale Arnett (talk) 23:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I also get the error message on your url. It works if each %25 is changed to %: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MovePage&target=2009%E2%80%9310_Hawai%27i_Warriors_women%27s_basketball_team. %25 is the percent encoding of % (see Help:URL). It looks like your url has been percent encoded twice in a row, first giving the correct http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MovePage&target=2009%E2%80%9310_Hawai%27i_Warriors_women%27s_basketball_team but then incorrectly percent encoding each of the five % into %25. Do you have answers to the questions in my previous post? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * (1) Yes, I click the normal move tab. (2) The URL I get when I see the error message has the "%" to "%25" error. (3) Clearing my cache didn't help. (4) Classic skin, Safari 4.0.2 (OS X 10.4.11). — Dale Arnett (talk) 01:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I use MonoBook and had not tested other skins. Some testing shows this is a bug which occurs in the Classic, Cologne blue and Nostalgia skins. They all make a move url starting with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MovePage and they all generate html with %25 instead of % in the url when there is percent encoding, probably due to doing the encoding twice. All other skins generate a url starting with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MovePage and correct use of %. It's the same for other titles with special characters needing percent encoding, for example Lay's. I don't have more time today but if nobody has done it by tomorrow then I will try to find out whether it is a known bug or should be reported. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I have reported this as 20027. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

"What links here" question
Is there a way (through custom css or whatever) to make it so that "What links here" shows only article space by default rather than all spaces? Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 22:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This could be done with javascript. Algebraist 22:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really know javascript, but this ought to work:


 * Algebraist 22:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that doesn't seem to have done anything. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it works for me. Have you cleared your cache? Does the error console show anything? Algebraist 23:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I had cleared the cache and also tried restarting the browser. I also took everything else out of my monobook in case something was interfering.  No luck.  The behavior of what links here isn't altered in either IE or Firefox. I get a couple warnings stemming from Common.css, but no actual errors. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I figured out the problem... the script was doing what it was supposed to, just not what I wanted, hehe. What I actually wanted what a way to to have the 'what link here' button only show links from articles. The script made the button only show on article space. For example, the page Example currently brings up several dozen links from talk pages and such - I would like it to only bring up 15 or so links from articles. Hope that makes sense. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you can just click 'What links here' and then select the article namespace from the dropdown menu, but if you want to bypass that step, this should work:


 * Algebraist 01:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By passing that one step was exactly what I was looking for - the code works great. Thanks a lot! --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

hello
I'm from the Hebrue wikipedia, and I found it difficult' to find a free picture of the actor Billy Crudup. I'll really appricate if someone here will uploud a picture of him. thanks --Shirooosh (talk) 22:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You might try asking around at Wikimedia Commons which is a repository of free images for all Wikimedia sites. -- Jayron  32  02:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

need the help of a more experienced wiki editor
I was reading up on youtube and I noticed a paragraph that seems to be incorrect or outdated. under the header "Technical notes" "Videos uploaded to YouTube are limited to ten minutes in length and a file size of 2 GB //.....//after YouTube found that the majority of videos exceeding this length were unauthorized uploads of television shows and films"

I think this information is incorrect because I watch a lot of videos that are up to an hour in length but I do not want to edit such a huge paragraph. I am not asking for someone to do the work, but what should I do in this situation? Ivtv (talk) 22:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The 2gig limit is extant for regular users, see youtube's own support. However, Youtube do have 'channels' where copyright owners can upload their content which doesn't seem to be filesize limited but are licensed appropriately with the rights holders and in some cases (such as for me and my fellow UK users) not streamed to some countries. Nanonic (talk) 23:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

well I watch a user often. "TheAmazingAthiest" and he has videos over an hour long sometimes. so i guess it is a setting for advanced users. Ill do some more research thanks Ivtv (talk) 23:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Review Process
What is the procedure for reviewing of articles? My article was flagged for several reasons (secondary sources, etc.), but I've done my best to address them. Is there some way to submit these revisions to see if I have passed the bar to remove some or all of the flags? I would like to know what further improvements need to be made to my article. So far, however, I feel like I've just been waiting around and checking haphazardly to see if someone happens to have knocked anything off. My article is on Paul Neebe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmw9t (talk • contribs) 23:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There is nothing so formal with the items you mention. You can list the article at Peer review to try to get some feedback on an article you're working on.  Normally, if you feel that you've addressed the concerns, you can remove the tags yourself.  If another user replaces the tags, it's best to discuss the article on the talk page.  No "official" procedures really kick in until an article gets up to WP:GAN (good article) and WP:FAC (featured article).  Hope that helps.  And, just a reminder - don't forget to sign talk page posts with your signature by typing in the 4 tildes " ~ " (without the quote marks) at the end of your post.  Cheers, and best of luck. — Ched :  ?  23:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)