Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 June 1

= June 1 =

Updating SFBA statistics table
I'm trying to add a line to Version 1.0 Editorial Team/SFBA articles by quality statistics for Category:Unassessed SFBA articles, but right now I keep having problems with alignment of the total box after adding the new line. Can someone else take a shot at it. Right now the unassessed numbers are 0, 0, 4, 98. Also, is there any other tweaks I need to do for 1.0 bot to start updating it correctly? Thanks in advance. -Optigan13 (talk) 01:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, think I got it by copying the WP CAL table and updating the numbers. It appears to have been a rowspan element I wasn't updating. -Optigan13 (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Photo license
Hi,

I recently changed the photo on an article from a creative commons license granted by the copyright holder to another photo with an identical creative commons license issued by the exact same copyright holder. I uploaded the new picture and pasted the license into the comments section. I ended up with this message:


 * This image or media has no source information. Source information must be provided so that the copyright status can be verified by others. Unless the copyright status is provided and a source is given, the image will be deleted after Sunday, 7 June 2009. Please remove this template if source information is provided.


 * Administrators: delete this file.

Usage: Notify the uploader with: ==File source problem with File:Renegade5-22-09.jpg== Thanks for uploading File:Renegade5-22-09.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 01:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Warriorboy85 (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC) Add following to the image captions:

I then changed the Summary to reflect the exact creative commons license that corresponds to the photo and I changed the licensing to read:


 * == Licensing: ==

I don't know if I've corrected everything that needs to be corrected, but I know the photo has a creative commons license and I've pasted the license information in the photo section and I've included a link to the location of the original photo.

Can you tell me what else I have to do and/or remove the notice if I've done everything I need to do. I find that to be the biggest problem using Wikipedia. You have 400 page explanations on everything you ask us to do. Can you just provide a simple explanation that says "click on this, and insert such and such information and save"? It would really help me to comply with your requests.

I do thank you for all the help you guys provide us with though. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the problem here is that you don't put the source of the image, i.e. where you got it from, if it was a website, or who licensed it under creative commons. This helps other confirm the copyright status. Fingers OnRoids  01:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * According to your links the problem with File:Renegade5-22-09.jpg is that it is licensed with attribution, non-commercial, and no derivative restrictions. The attribution restriction is OK, but the non-commercal and no derivative restrictions are absolutely unacceptable. —teb728 t c 05:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Beside that the pages at your source site do not indicate even that license; they say "all rights reserved." —teb728 t c 05:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also note that Wikipedia's instructions are the work of users much like you - every instruction page essentially says "Here is what we did". If you find something that is unclear, you can either edit the instructions to improve them, or leave a note on the talk page of the confusing instruction page pointing out what you did not understand, and then someone who understands the material better might be able to improve the instructions. Images and their licensing involve lots of complexity due to the international nightmare of copyright laws. I suggest that you write your own instructions on user subpages whenever you are piecing together procedures that require you to navigate more conditional branches than you can juggle in your head. Since human short term memory is severely limited, it only takes a few conditional branches to overwhelm someone who is seeing something for the first time. In that case it helps to write down what you are reading and trying, rather than attempt to just wing it by pointing and clicking. We can only reduce procedures to pointing and clicking when the same procedure works for everyone. Unfortunately in the world of image files, almost everybody comes in with some new variation. --Teratornis (talk) 08:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

How to I change a picture on a page?
Poster marked his question resolved, but it was NOT resolved. He asked a very good question, that is, how to insert a photo into an existing article. I have spent 2 hours now trying to simply insert a photo into an article. I took this photo with my camera, and I uploated it into Wiki as Public Domain. Now I just need to insert it into an article I am editing!! The below does NOT tell how to do it, and neither does wiki Help!! H E L P ! ! !  hannum7@yahoo.com

I want to change the image on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radu_Sarbu to a more recent one, but I can't figure out how the change the picture. I don't see an "edit" button for that section anywhere... I'm an autocomfirmed user, so I can change pictures, I have before, but I can't figure out how to get the new picture to show up instead of the current one. Any help would be great, thank you very much! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricansea (talk • contribs) 01:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you mean you can't find the edit tab at the top of the page? Fingers OnRoids  01:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I see that... just not quite sure what to do from there, it just shows up as an already uploaded image, Radu_sirbu-1, instead of a URL. do I have to upload it separately onto wikipedia then post the name of that file... or is there something else I have to do? Ricansea (talk • contribs) 01:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you have to upload images to Wikipedia (or to Commons) before they can be used in articles. Please do not upload copyrighted photographs, though. BencherliteTalk 02:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you already uploaded the picture that you want to replace the image in the article with? Fingers OnRoids  02:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * [[File:Radu and Ana.jpg]], which Ricansea uploaded in March, was speedily deleted for lack of licensing information - it looks to be a non-free image, and so is most unlikely to be usable for that article. BencherliteTalk 02:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I talked to Radu after the upload of that image, he requested that I use a different one -- he's sending it to me, I just wanted to be sure I know how to make the edit ahead of time. I'm assuming that the image he's sending is a public domain one, or one that is suitable for use here, unlike the image I uploaded earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricansea (talk • contribs) 02:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way I can mark this as resolved? I think I understand how to change the picture now. Ricansea (talk) 02:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

False information about my company
My name is Bob Rahilly. I am the owner of RAHMOC Enterprises. I corrected all the false info on my company about 1 1/2 years ago. Wiki published the corrected info I sumitted. I am the 100% owner of RAHMOC Enterprises. It was incorporated in 1977. I am STILL IN BUSINESS. Your FALSE info is hurting my business. I am NOT happy. Please put the accurate info I submitted back in place..............Bob Rahilly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.75.26.66 (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you provide some reliable sources for the edits that you think need to be made? – ukexpat (talk) 03:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Am I right in understanding that this is the version of the article that you like; that you and Mock parted ways in 1992; and that since then your branch of the business has not been particularly notable? If that is the case, perhaps the solution would be to remame the article to refer to Mock’s branch and its successor, which continued to be notable until 2000. Perhaps use the final name, Galaxy Motorsports? That way it wouldn’t imply you were out of business—just out of the racing business. —teb728 t c 05:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps this edit satisfies you? —teb728 t c 06:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

APEC Logo Change
Hi there.

I've been redirected a couple of times and it's getting a little frustrating. In any case, I'd like to change the APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation) logo. The one used at the moment is a backdated one. And yes, I'm rather new to editing on wikipedia. Can anyone help?

Keith —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgerrard (talk • contribs) 02:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Presumably you refer to the File:ApecLogo-2003.png which appears in Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation. Since your account looks old enough to be autoconfirmed, you can upload a new version of that file. See Help:Images and other uploaded files. You didn't say exactly which part of the upload process you need help with. Presumably you have a file on your computer's hard drive that you want to upload. Presumably it will be under the same copyright as the existing version of File:ApecLogo-2003.png, in which case you should be able to keep the existing fair-use rationale on that image page. You should be able to just upload your file over the old one with the link I gave (and which you can find toward the bottom of the image page). You might have been confused by the somewhat convoluted method that Wikipedia uses to display the image in article you were editing. See Help:Template and WP:INFOBOX for the gory details of how that works. --Teratornis (talk) 03:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Huh?!
When I logged in today, I clicked on the "Return to (article you were just on)" on the bottom of the page. I went to the article all right, but I inexplicably found myself logged out. I had been able to stay logged in when doing this before. What's up? Thanks, PinkyLord4407 (talk) 02:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've run into this issue as well recently, and have in the past. I don't know that it is a WP issue, but several things have seemed to help me.  I've cleared my browser cache, as well as various other "temp" items.  This of course depends on you OS, and browser of choice.  Clean out the junk, reboot, and see if that helps.  Just a thought. — Ched :  ?  03:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this is obvious, but make sure you check the "Keep me logged in" box below your login. You might have left your page up in your browser and the login expired, so the link was still there, but you were no longer logged in.  No matter what you do, I don't think you can get around entering your login information every 30 days.  -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 09:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

wikitext bullet-point markup question
Hello - is there a wikitext markup method for indenting additional paragraphs under a bullet point to match the indentation created by the bullet symbol?

Here is an example:


 * A bullet point comment sometimes needs a second paragraph. But the use of the colon symbol for indenting creates a different indent that does not look like a continuation of the bullet point content.


 * This is the second paragraph of the text, created with a ":" symbol. But it looks like a reply to the above content, rather than continuation, because the indent is further than the bullet-point indent.

Is there a symbol that will indent the same distance as the bullet symbol "*", but without showing the bullet?

I've reviewed all the wikitext help pages I can find and did not see this listed.

Thanks. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 05:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes there is a way. Just add two asterix's (**) at the beginning of the sentence. Here is an example:

You type:

* One
 * Two

You get


 * One
 * Two

-Porchcrop (talk 18:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, that's a cool feature but it's a different one. I'm seeking markup for something that would display as follows - this is a fixed width representation for illustrating the idea:

* This is the bullet point text first paragraph content that occupies a few lines of text.

This is a second paragraph continuing the text for that same bullet point, with the same indent, as part of the same comment. -- signature here

It needs a symbol to use like the * but invisible, so it indents that same distance, but doesn't make a bullet.

Thanks again. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 06:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's a way, sorry. -Porchcrop (talk 06:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can get more control with  tags. See Help:HTML in wikitext and Help:List. Example:

 A bullet point. Another bullet point. Some text under the bullet point. Wow, it left-aligns. At least in my browser. Yet another bullet point. 
 * --Teratornis (talk) 08:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Try the  extension to retain the spaces and breaks:

* This is the bullet point text first paragraph content that occupies a few lines of text.

This is a second paragraph continuing the text for that same bullet point, with the same indent, as part of the same comment. -- signature here

* This is the bullet point text first paragraph content that occupies a few lines of text.

This is a second paragraph continuing the text for that same bullet point, with the same indent, as part of the same comment. -- signature here

---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you to all who replied here, much appreciated! --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 05:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Public Domain (film)
Hi, I'm trying to get a reference to show up on Public Domain (film) but it's coming up with an error. I have made the corrections, but it still won't work! Could someone take a look please? JulieSpaulding (talk) 05:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * fixed (missing closign ref tag), see the user talk page. -Optigan13 (talk) 05:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Copyright uncertain tag?
Is there a tag one can put on a link to indicate that it may be a copyright violation? Specifically, the Youtube external links at Dawn Rowan. They are of a TV program, but is conceivable that they are posted to youtube with the TV program's permission. Peter Ballard (talk) 05:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good question. Let's look (using Search subpages link which uses Wikipedia's relatively new "prefix" search feature):
 * Some of those results might turn up something you can use. --Teratornis (talk) 08:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of those results might turn up something you can use. --Teratornis (talk) 08:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * See WP:YOUTUBE. If it's a copyvio, just delete it.  hmwith  τ   14:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Teratonis, but I can't find one suitable. What I'm looking for is an inline tag, because the other external links are OK.


 * hmwith: yes I know the policy is to delete links to known copyright violations on youtube. But I don't know if these ones are copyright violations or not. I've dropped a note on the talk page of the editor who added the links, so hopefully I can work it out. Peter Ballard (talk) 00:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

User/IP address removing template messages from recently-created article
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this, would the admin noticeboard be more appropriate?

The article Hells Bells Tribute, about an AC/DC tribute band, was recently created. At the time I tagged it for speedy deletion (see here) it had some pretty blatant advert-copy type language, so I tagged it for speedy deletion under CSD G11 (Unambiguous Advertising). The user proceeded to remove my speedy tag but also removed most of the ad-like content. I decided to assume good faith and simply put some maintenance tags on the page to point the original editor and others to the issues that the page had. However, said user (and an IP address) removed the tags (three times might I add). I'm not exactly what I should do here: report the user and IP under 3RR? Revert the IP's edit that removed the templates? Re-nominate the page for speedy deletion under a different criteria? TheLetterM (talk) 13:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I started trying to clean it up, but there's nothing to be done. It just doesn't assert notability, and there is not one reliable source. I tagged it as CSD, and another admin can delete it.  hmwith  τ   14:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ hmwith provides an excellent analysis of the article. TN X Man  14:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit Count.
How do I see the edit count of other users in the form of a pie chart. I have seen them before on some "tools" javascript that tells where each percentage of user's edits are. Gandalf the Wise : Talk Page  15:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's probably listed either at WP:Tools or WP:WikiProject edit counters.  hmwith  τ   15:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikichecker.com/ is rather popular.  Skomorokh   17:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

What does a blocked user see?
When a blocked user tries to edit, what does he see? I suppose the "edit this page" tab is missing, but what other message does he get if he is (a) a registered user, (b) an individually-blocked IP, (c) an IP blcked as part of a range? JohnCD (talk) 15:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi John. If you see MediaWiki:Blockedtext that's how the block message is based, with the specifics completed according to what the blocking admin put in. You don't lose the "edit this page" tab - you just get the message when you click on it. Hope that helps. Pedro : Chat  15:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * they can still view the source as well, but the text of MediaWiki:Blockedtext is above the source box, SpitfireTally-ho! 15:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! JohnCD (talk) 15:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Transwiki/importing articles
I want to move an article to a non-WMF wiki. Is there any better way other than copy/pasting I can do this? Skomorokh  16:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't tried it but have you seen WikiProject Transwiki? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope! I'll give it a try, looks like it could be very helpful. Mahalo,  Skomorokh   17:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The WikiProject only gives guidance on exporting, which is not supported by my target wiki (probably due to an old version of MediaWiki).  Skomorokh   17:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Copying content to another wiki can pose many problems. At least your target wiki is running MediaWiki, eliminating the first huge potential headache.
 * Compare the MediaWiki version numbers and installed extensions by browsing to Special:Version on Wikipedia and the target wiki. The more differences you see on those two page, the more potential problems you can have, depending on how many features the Wikipedia article uses. For example, if you see "tag bleed" on the target wiki when you port the article, that usually means the target wiki does not have some MediaWiki extension installed which would parse that tag. Only the most privileged administrators of the target wiki (who have shell access) can upgrade the MediaWiki version and install more extensions.
 * You might also need to port the templates that the article uses, if they are not already on the target wiki. This can become quite difficult, if the templates use intricate code, and if the templates themselves transclude additional templates. I have even seen some templates on Wikipedia that don't work correctly on other MediaWiki wikis unless those wikis are also running HTML Tidy which evidently changes the actual parsing of wikitext to some degree here.
 * Compare the MediaWiki:Common.css pages on the two wikis. You may need to copy some CSS style classes to the target wiki, but only administrators on the target wiki can edit the MediaWiki:Common.css page.
 * Since it is likely that you may need help from the administrators on the target wiki, you might want to contact them early in the process and discuss your plans with them. There is no sense in doing a lot of work yourself until you are sure you can get administrative help if you need it. Alternatively, you can edit out any features from the article that don't work on the target wiki. The basic issue is that the English Wikipedia has been customized to the Nth degree, and many other wikis are relatively "vanilla" wikis without as many customizations, which makes it difficult to port content from here to there without losing many features you take for granted. --Teratornis (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Editing a discussion page
How do I add a new topic to a discussion page? User:labellesanslebete —Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC).
 * You just did! There should be a "new section" or "+" tab at the top of every discussion page. Click on that and you will be asked to submit the heading of the topic and your opening comment. Regards,  Skomorokh   17:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! User:labellesanslebete —Preceding undated comment added 17:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC).
 * See Help:Talk page and Talk page guidelines. You can make a talk page more self-documenting by putting a Talkheader template at the top of the page. And see the handy image at the right for instructions on how to sign your posts. --Teratornis (talk) 18:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Parts lists?
I have an "Electronic Red Dot / millett" sighting scope. I need to know what battery for the unit??? or: where can I get the information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.211.54 (talk) 19:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.  TN X Man  19:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

discovering my password
It is some time since I used my account, I know the account name is weedfreak but cannot remember the password I used, I have tried the recover password link on the login page but get the message that there is no email associated with that user, I think the account was created a long time ago and email address details were not required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.250.178.154 (talk) 20:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Without an e-mail address associated with your user name, there is no way to recover your password. You will have to create a new account. – ukexpat (talk) 20:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have forgotten the password and do not have the email function enabled, there is no way to recover it. Your best bet it to register a new account and start over. TN X Man  20:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I cannot make a new account using the same name and do not want to use yet another name for another site, if I canot use the same account then I will use none. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.250.178.154 (talk) 12:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * has no contributions so you can request usurpation of the name. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

JS
I am using lupin's edit count javascript, but I don't how to figure out someone's edit count. There is no button that i can see to check edits. Gandalf the Wise : Talk Page  21:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe you need to install popups first. Then, follow the instructions at the top of User:Lupin/editcount.js. Xenon54 (talk) 21:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)