Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 June 23

= June 23 =

Put de: Nat Wolff on the article please.
''Hello. There´s an article about Nat Wolff in the de: WP. Please put that [de:Nat Wolff] on the article, because it´s semi-protectet. Thanks. --Nemash (talk) 23:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)'' This quote is a copy of my shout on the talkpage in Nat Wolff. There was nobody who contributed it. This should be the right help desk. I'm not sure. Bye --Nemash (talk) 01:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. You could've just made a few more edits and done it yourself, you know. Algebraist 01:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I keep all my knowledge for the german WP projekt :). But, that's a point. I'll try to catch up with my edits here. I've just added some articels to my watchlist. --Nemash (talk) 01:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Accidental Non-Capitalization
So, I recently created an article for Frenchtown High School, but the title is "Frenchtown high school," which looks extremely sophomoric. How do I change the title to the proper one? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasse (talk • contribs) 01:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See Help:Moving a page. Algebraist 01:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering
Can you make an article about a book without the cover? Rory (reply on my page!) (talk) 02:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure - there is no rule that a page about a book must contain an image; For example 3001: The Final Odyssey has one, while Lilith's Brood does not. The list of books i clicked trough does not have a book cover image for every article. Just make sure the article meets the notability, reliable sources and neutral point of view guidelines. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 05:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the books on Wikipedia, your question may be answered at Help:Books. TN X Man  11:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

talkback to another wiki's talk page (Commons to be specific)
Is there a way to get talkback to point a user to their talk page on another wiki such as Commons. I want to direct a user to their talk page on Commons. I recall that there is a way to do it with talkback but I can't remember the syntax. --Captain-tucker (talk) 02:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This can't be done with the talkback template AFAIK. But why don't you just leave a simple message? The linking is easy; just commons:User talk:Example. C ha m a l  talk 11:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I will do that, I could have sworn that I once saw a talkback on a wikipedia talk page that directed the user to a commons talk page and was just curious if it could be done. Thanks--Captain-tucker (talk) 11:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * An ugly brute-force method would be to substitute the template and then edit the resulting wikitext to make the commons interwiki link work. However, the talkback documentation says not to substitute the template, with no explanation of why, so I guess you shouldn't do that. You could always use a Notice template and stick in your own message, if you want something that looks fancy. For example:


 * --Teratornis (talk) 02:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

creating a book
I have read the how to save your book instructions and I still dont get it. I click on show my book and when I'm looking at the page that has my book I see there is no option or tab to click on to save it. I really want to create a book. What am I doing wrong?Jbrantwo (talk) 03:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not aware of any "save your book instructions" on Wikipedia. What instructions are you talking about? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia: it contains pages but no books. —teb728 t c 07:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume it is about this page Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 08:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See Help:Books Prodego  talk  08:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

sending sms
since i am now registered, how do i send sms --User:Jimojok

Wikipedia is not an SMS service. Its an encyclopaedia. --SpaceFlight89 (talk) 07:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Right. See Talk page and E-mailing users for ways to contact other Wikipedia users. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Tables
How do I set a fixed column width and control text alignment within a table? (left, centre, right alignment, but also top, centre, bottom alignment.) V85 (talk) 10:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See Help:Table and other parts of Help:Table. I don't know a method to set alignment of a column in one place. You may have to do it for each cell in the column. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:24, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Allocation of articles to namespaces fails
Hello @ all,

some weeks ago, I defined some customized namespaces and everything worked fine. But now I have a problem: Let's say one namespace I recently defined is called "NewNamespace". Now I want to create a new article within this namespace, let's say "NewNamespace:HelloWorld". Then what happens is, that the new article is stored in the (Main) namespace with title "NewNamespace:HelloWorld", but not in the "NewNamespace". The strange thing about it is, that the articles which are already in the "NewNamespace" still work fine, so I don't think that it's a problem with the namespace definition. Can anyone help me? Does anyone have an explanation for this?

PS: I checked about a hundred times that I don't have any typing errors within the article's name, so this easiest explanation drops out as well.

62.157.208.213 (talk) 10:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Your question seems to be related to the mediawiki software, which is also used to run wikipedia. In case this is true i would advice either asking this question at the mediawiki website or at the reference desk. The wikipedia help desk is only used for questions about using wikipedia. Thank you. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 11:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Need help with Archival of this talk page [Resolved]
A while back, one of the editors set-up MiszaBot to archive Talk:List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series. This worked once, but since then we've noticed that talk threads are not being archived anymore. I've since gone in an manually archived some of the content. I am not familiar with how MiszaBot works, but I'm guessing some of it is because the Talk page frequently gets unsigned edits or edits put in odd places (like the "lead" or "header") which could be throwing off the archival. Can somebody with more knowledge of this bot take a look and provide some advice on how to correct the auto-archival? Thanks! -- TRTX T / C 14:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I have reverted this edit which was made 3 days after the latest MiszaBot archiving. Maybe this fixes it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I always end up having to do some hand-archiving of my talk page, for just those reasons. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Alberta Ridings infoboxes
It seems that all the maps in the infoboxes of Alberta ridings are shifted to the left. An example is the Calgary East article... Does anyone know what is making them all do that? Is it maybe the template being used in these boxes? It is Template:Calgary federal electoral districts map... Thank you! TastyCakes (talk) 15:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's right-aligned here. The alignment of infoboxes is set by site-wide CSS; perhaps your browser isn't loading it properly? Have you tried bypassing your cache? Algebraist 15:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that he's referring to the maps, not the infoboxes themselves. The map is also left-aligned within the infobox for me. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 15:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like a common mistake in the template. It appears  should center the image, but this does not work in a block element like . Remove it and change the margin to  . ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm do you mean in the Template:Infobox Canada electoral district template? TastyCakes (talk) 15:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoops— that would be helpful. Calgary East uses Infobox Canada electoral district where the imagemap parameter uses Calgary federal electoral districts map which is where the problem lies. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So you mean you can't use the locator map within the electoral district template? TastyCakes (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. You would be better to ask on the template talk. I have started a discussion at Template talk:Calgary federal electoral districts map; take a look at the testcases and see if that is what you are looking for. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 00:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm having trouble finding a wiki.answers.com referenced file
I have a print-out of wiki.answers.com/Q/What are Fiction genres of 6/15/2009. I'd like to find out more about "What are Fiction genres?" YOur page 2 of 3 lists "Search" as "Answers.com>Wiki Anseres>Categories>Literature and Language>Literary Terms>What are Fiction genres?" I can go as far as "Wiki Answers/..../Books and Literature/" but when I add "Literary Terms" and re-send, I'm told there is no such page or file. What should I do next? -- (sorry, but I can't insert your requested "termination" characters!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.9.96 (talk • contribs)
 * This is Wikipedia - not WikiAnswers.com. But we're helpful folks, so here you go. Best, Zain Ebrahim (talk) 16:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yochanan Sofer [Resolved]
Hello, I cannot figure out how to get the image to appear in the infobox. I tried uploading the image to Wikimedia Commons using CommonsHelperTool, but it said there was no such image on en.wikipedia. What do I do now? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Done Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 18:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, how'd you do that? The other infoboxes that I checked didn't have that "300px" attached to the image line. Did you tweak something else about the image? Yoninah (talk) 20:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * 300px was only added to give a reasonable size. The thing that made the image appear was the double brackets around the file name in . Some template parameters require brackets around file names and some don't. Look at the template documentation, or maybe at the template source, or experiment to find out. In this case the documentation at Template:Infobox Rebbe shows the brackets. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk page template for WP:NOTSOAPBOX [Resolved]
Is there a template we can stick on article talk pages to remind editors about WP:NOTSOAPBOX? It's in response to this, if anyone wants some context.

Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 17:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Im not aware of such a template, so i just made you one. It might need some working tweaks, but its a start at least. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 18:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Notaforum. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you both - I could have sworn I'd seen one before, but these two solutions are excellent. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 00:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Today Genre [Resolved]
Here is a list of today songs I found to be similar and beautiful at the same time:


 * Glenn Morrison - Contact (Original Mix)
 * Glenn Morrison - No Sudden Moves
 * Deadmau5 - Not Exactly (Inpetto Remix)
 * Hybrid - Finished Symphony (Deadmau5 Remix)
 * Fragma - Tocas Miracle 2008 (Inpetto 2008 Mix)
 * Whigfield feat. KLM Music - Saturday Night (Secret Sunday Remix)

My wonder is: it's a today genre/subgenre, but what subgenre is? I don't think that calling it a Minimalist EDM would be enough due to the fact that all songs has the same particular sound timbres. A much more to-all-people-friendly song, in a sweeter style, a disco style composition, the first I've heard and reminiscent to all pieces from this list is Supermode - Tell Me Why (Raul Rincon Remix) (even Supermode - Tell Me Why). The genre/subgenre must be formed from 2007 to 2009. Hope someone knows or finds the answer. Thank you. --TudorTulok (talk) 18:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll do that. --TudorTulok (talk) 18:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Missing space in Glycosidic bond [Resolved]
After the link to glucoronic acid, the space between acid and via doesn't seem to be showing up...not sure why.
 * Get rid of the code to bring up a wikitable just under the heading. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 19:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅, seems to be OK now. – ukexpat (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

trouble logging in
I first tried creating an account using several passwords. Nothing was accepted, so I asked for wikipedia to set up a password. The first one didn't work, so I asked for a second password & it doesn't work. I tried all the correct capital & non-capital letters. Now neither the user account nor the password is accepted. I'm doing something wrong.


 * What is the user name? By "I asked for wikipedia to set up a password", do you mean you clicked "E-mail new password" at the login screen? By "didn't work", do you mean you didn't receive a password or that the password was rejected when you entered it? You can also try Request an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Wrongfully Deleted Entry
We at Huthwaite corrected misinformation on our IP "SPIN Selling Model" and gave reference to our published book. Shortly thereafter this page was completely deleted, and it listed "unambiguous copyright infringement" as the reason why. We don't understand this because we used referenced the source which is our book that our company published and owns the rights to. Is it possible to renew or recreate the page without worrying about this issue in the future?

Felicity Ro (talk) 20:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * See WP:IOWN for the process to release copyright material for use on Wikipedia. Also, please read WP:NOSHARE - Wikipedia accounts not supposed to be shared by more than one user. Also wouldn't hurt to read WP:SPAM. – ukexpat (talk) 21:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear: If you own the copyright to a work, then you can licence the work in any way you see fit. To incorporate the work into Wikipedia, you must license the work (specifically, the portion of the work you put into Wikipedia) under a specific licence, namely the GFDL (and now also the Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License 3.0.) Once you have done this, anyone in the whole wide world can then use this material, modified or unmodified, in any way they see fit, subject to the licnese, and you have absolutely no control of the material. So, yes, you can prove to us that you ar the copyright holder, and yes, you can then place teh material in Wikipedia, but you cannot later object if someone else ever uses the material. This will be true even if the material is subsequently deleted from Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 23:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Signature problems
I'm working on a new signature:


 * just a little insignificant

Which translates to:


 * just a little insignificant

The only change I'm making to my signature is the color. The new one appears to work fine in my sandbox, but when I attempted to change it in my preferences, I got a big fat "Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags" message. What am I doing wrong? just a little  insignificant  21:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You have a tag that can't decide if it's a or a, leading to nonsensical html. Try  just a little   insignificant  . Algebraist 21:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You need:
 * just a little  insignificant


 * Or:
 * just a little insignificant


 * Both should work, the first is shorter though. weburiedoursecretsinthe <font style="color:#000099;">garden  21:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Great, it works. Thank you both so much, and Algebraist, I'll keep that in mind for next time. Thanks- just a little   insignificant  21:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe it's my eyes, but the text in both those colours, particularly the yellow, is a little hard to read... – ukexpat (talk) 21:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's your eyes, it's mine also. Algebraist 21:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The Rule of tincture may be centuries old, but it still has sage advice to lend when picking out which colors to use for a Wikipedia signature (specifically, it's best not to put yellow letters on a white background). Alexius  Horatius  21:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Me too, I've changed it. Sorry. just a little   insignificant  22:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, much better. – ukexpat (talk) 00:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, For colors that have such long names, try using hex triplets, it cuts down on characters, see List of colors. For instance, Cornflower blue is #6495ED, you save 7 characters there, Just a hint! --- Scarce  ||||  You shouldn't have buried me,   I'm not dead --- 09:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

city
Which is bigger houston or chicago?
 * There's an encyclopaedia just around the corner...see Houston and Chicago. It's probably Chicago. Xenon54 (talk) 22:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, List of United States cities by population. This sort of question is better addressed to one of the reference desks, in this case probably Reference desk/Miscellaneous.  TastyCakes (talk) 23:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "bigger"? Bigger in terms of population, area, economic output, association with a particular cultural activity? --Teratornis (talk) 02:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Refinancing
when you refinance your home-do you have to reapply for the homestead credit76.214.130.252 (talk) 23:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. But note that we cannot give legal advice. – ukexpat (talk) 00:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also specify where the home is. Different countries have different laws. --Teratornis (talk) 02:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And possibly states as well, see for example Homestead exemption in Florida. --Teratornis (talk) 02:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC)