Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 June 5

= June 5 = hi,

can you tell me how to upload a picture? I can't find the icon for it -- if i refer to it by its location on myhard drive it doesn't upload it, as I thought, but I must be missing something.. namely the way to upload an image! thanks

popups
I love the popups when I hover over a wikipedia link that show whats on that page. but it woud be so much better if it took a second or two before it did. I have an older computer and its best not to push it to do more than is absolutely necessary. Is there anyway that I can change the amount of time it delays before opening the popup? I've been to the preferences page but I didnt see anything. just-emery (talk) 23:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * See Tools/Navigation popups. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. :-) just-emery (talk) 00:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Blank Space
In the article on the Charleston School of Law, in the section on Facilities, there is a citation which is followed by an empty space. I have tried repeatedly to get rid of the empty space or replace it with the icon showing the arrow, but I cannot do either. I am not sure what is distinguishing this one hyperlinked reference from all of the others which are formatted properly.--ProfReader (talk) 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I mooted the issue by turning your naked links into inline citations, as all articles should have. Is is wonderful that you are attempting to use citations at all, which many people don't. This is our preferred method and required to reach good and featured status. The citations need to be formatted however for full attribution; matters such as publisher, date, title and accessdate. I will format the first few so you see how it is done. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are a Firefox user, I can highly recommend the WikipediaCITE plug in for creating Citeweb references: http://wpcite.mozdev.org/ – ukexpat (talk) 13:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Journalists
Are the journalists notable? what is the criteria to create a page on journalists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.179.38 (talk) 08:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:PEOPLE, our guideline on the notability of people, like journalists, would be a good start. I'm not sure whether there are any more-specific guideline articles. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 08:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you count WP:CREATIVE as a more specific guideline, then yes - though it is merely a part of WP:PEOPLE 77.93.78.71 (talk) 09:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Image copyright
Hi, my friend has taken a picture and he/she gives it to me and he/she says that I am now the copyright holder of the picture. Can the copyright holder be changed ? And how should I upload it in Wikipedia, can I put it under (entirely my own work)? Arteyu ? Blame it on me !  09:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Copyright of a picture can be transferred. It's done all the time in the magazine world, but we can't take your word for it without some evidence. Your best bet is to get your friend to contact WP:OTRS. If you upload it to Wikipedia you can license it under the GFDL, a creative commons license or release the image into the public domain if it all works out with your friend, but although a transfer of copyright allows you to pick a license, you should still accurately show who created the image independently of who the current copyright holder is. - Mgm|(talk) 09:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Copyright holder
Can an image (I mean a picture of a person) have two copyright holder at the same time ? Arteyu ? Blame it on me !  09:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

My second question is, what if a copyright holder don't know anything about IT, and he/she wanted me to upload on wikipedia under multiple license (GNU, CC-BY 3.0)? Arteyu ? Blame it on me !  10:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Can't see pictures
Can't see pictures without clicking all the way through to the route file. Why is that? I'm using firefox 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.243.23.104 (talk) 11:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Does Troubleshooting help? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Taskforce templating
I've tried to edit Template:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology/sandbox such that parameter |bycountry = yes creates thh task force (as on User:Grandiose/sandbox). What have I done wrong? Thanks, Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Work at Wikipedia?
How can I submit my resume to Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.151.120.89 (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See the info at this page. TN X Man  14:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't we all work at Wikipedia? Loves  Macs  (talk) 14:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * See also replies to your question above at PrimeHunter (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The Wikimedia Foundation might be skeptical about hiring someone who seems to have difficulty with figuring out how to use the Help desk. It's acceptable for new users to find some things confusing, but to work for the Foundation in a paid position, one would need to have a level of skill at least equal to that of the most-skilled volunteers, just to have some credibility with the user community. --Teratornis (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Movie Poster
Hi. I just created the article on Burke & Hare (film). I found a link somewhere in Wikiproject films that says you can get movie posters from a website called Movie Poster Database, and wanted to add the poster here to the infobox but; A) I have no idea how to do this, and B) I don't know if the image is copyrighted or whatever. Actually I don't know if it's even possible to do this. Basically I've no idea what I'm doing. maybe you could do it for me (hint, hint)  Spongefrog (talk) 14:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You are allowed to use movie posters in articles. See Old School (film) and the related File:Old s poster.jpg. To upload the poster, simply head over to WP:UPLOAD and follow the instructions. TN X Man  14:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I would do it for you, but it's pretty simple. If I teach you now, you can do it in the future. :) You can see Help:Images and other uploaded files for detailed information. To actually upload it, go to Special:Upload. For the copyright information and fair use rationale, see File:Braveheart imp.jpg. It has to have the article name that it's in, information about the image and copyright status, and why it qualifies as fair use in that article.  hmwith  τ   14:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I tried, but it didn't work. What do you put in the source filename? Should I select promotional material for the licensing box. Then what do I put in all the summary things!? Aasarghgf! Sorry for not understanding.. Spongefrog (talk) 18:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, WP policies are more complex than I remember sometimes. No worries. I uploaded the image and added it to the article. I added the correct tags. If you have questions in the future about uploading images, feel free to ask me at user talk:hmwith. I'll try to walk you through the process. Ideally, you can figure it out and can do it on your own. We can always use more people willing to help out.  hmwith  τ   05:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot

Spongefrog (talk) 10:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

SVG strangeness
When I upload .svg files they look different on wikipedia compared to my computer. I make them in illustrator and they look fine but once uploaded the text always changes. e.g. in illustrator this image all fits in the image and the red text is italicised but now it isn't! Has anyone got any suggestions? Would it be a good idea to use a different program to illustrator? Thanks Smartse (talk) 16:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but there are some links under Commons:COM:EIC that might be useful. Inkscape seems to be the preferred SVG tool around here. You could try installing Inkscape, open your SVG file(s) in it, and see if they look the way you expect. Also see WP:EIW. --Teratornis (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Joy F. Evans
How do I recommend a change to a posting? The entry for Joy F. Evans indicates she was married to David S. Evans. In fact, she was married to David C. Evans, founder of Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation. The entry for David C. Evans includes the correct marriage information, but the entry for Joy F. Evans has it wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.54.58.5 (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can actually edit the article yourself. Simply click on the "edit" tab at the top of the page and correct the info. Be sure to leave an informative edit summary that explains what you are doing. TN X Man  17:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Missing help desk pages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2007_February_23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2007_February_22

Is it possible to restore these pages? There's lots of good stuff in the archives and I don't want to miss any. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It is quite possible that there was nothing to archive on those days. Probably nothing got archived which is why they do not exist.  --Jayron32. talk . contribs  17:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I just went back to February 21. Now I know what happened. Can THAT be fixed? Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like it can.


 * I never realized we could do that. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Huggle
I am trying to install Huggle, but I have a Mac. What should I do? Ag97 (talk) 19:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * try this: Huggle/Wine, let me know if that doesn't work SpitfireTally-ho! 19:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

It didn't work. I installed Wine, but in the Terminal, when entering the third command, I got:

Cannot find cabextract. Please install it (e.g. 'sudo apt-get install cabextract' or 'sudo yum install cabextract').

I tried to open Huggle, but I got

huggle 0.9.0.exe has exited with an error, have a look at the Log window...

There I see: fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer root element is L"asmv1:assembly", not fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer root element is L"asmv1:assembly", not err:ole:OLEPictureImpl_Load Failure while reading picture header (hr is 0, nread is 0). err:ole:OleLoadPicture IPersistStream_Load failed

Unhandled Exception: System.InvalidOperationException: WinForms_SeeInnerException ---> System.Exception: Generic Error [GDI+ status: GenericError]

at System.Drawing.GDIPlus.CheckStatus (Status status) [0x00000]

at System.Drawing.Image.InitFromStream (System.IO.Stream stream) [0x00000]

at System.Drawing.Image.CloneFromStream [0x00000]

at System.Drawing.Image.Clone [0x00000]

at System.Resources.RuntimeResourceSet.CloneDisposableObjectIfPossible (System.Object value) [0x00000]

at System.Resources.RuntimeResourceSet.GetObject (System.String name, Boolean ignoreCase) [0x00000]

at System.Resources.ResourceManager.GetObject (System.String name, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00000]

at Huggle.My.Resources.Resources.get_huggle_logo [0x00000]

at Huggle.LoginForm.InitializeComponent [0x00000]

at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) Huggle.LoginForm:InitializeComponent

at Huggle.LoginForm..ctor [0x00000]

at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:InternalInvoke (object,object[],System.Exception&)

at System.Reflection.MonoCMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00000]

--- End of inner exception stack trace ---

at Huggle.My.MyProject+MyForms.Create__Instance__[LoginForm] (Huggle.LoginForm Instance) [0x00000]

at Huggle.My.MyProject+MyForms.get_LoginForm [0x00000]

at Huggle.My.MyApplication.OnCreateMainForm [0x00000]

at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.OnRun [0x00000]

at Microsoft.VisualBasic.ApplicationServices.WindowsFormsApplicationBase.Run (System.String[] commandLine) [0x00000]

at Huggle.My.MyApplication.Main (System.String[] Args) [0x00000]

What should I do? Ag97 (talk) 19:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can see you've already reported the problem at Huggle/Wine, the best course of action would probably be to wait for a reply there, I don't know much about the programme myself, all the best SpitfireTally-ho! 21:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Category Tree
Did the Wikimedia Foundation take the feature out of the software that lets you open up category below a category. Example: [-]Category 1 [-]Category 2 [-]Category 3 Page 1 Page 2 --Melab±1 &#9742; 19:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you mean mw:Extension:CategoryTree. What is the problem? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Special:CategoryTree looks like it works. Where do you see a problem? If you are looking at a particular category page, the category must have subcategories to generate the outline structure you refer to. For example, Category:Wind power has several subcategories, and thus the outline structure appears. In contrast, Category:Wind farm stubs has no subcategories, so there is no expandable outline at the top of its page. --Teratornis (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

And will give you:

---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

creating a new article with a tilte that gets redirected to another article.
hello

i am trying to start a new article tilted Desecrate, however when i type in the name to start a search it redirects me to a page tilted Desecration.

how can i write a new page titled Desecrate? since when i do the search for the title it redirects me instead of giving me the option to create a new page

and would i be able to get ride of the redirection on the page of desecration? so that way i can (first off) write the article with the intended title, and when and if the article is written, people will be able to get to this new article as apposed to being redirected to the article "desecration".

thank you for your time —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagerodin (talk • contribs) 19:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You've encountered a redirect page. In order to actually go to the page entitled Desecrate, follow this link. However, what were you intending to put in its place? If you were going to write an article, I would highly recommend that you read our tips on writing your first article. TN X Man  19:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, first you'd want to make sure that the "Desecrate" article would meet out notability guidelines so that it wasn't quickly reverted or tagged for deletion. I added a welcome message to your talk page that may help with some of the basics.  Then, the trick is in the upper left hand corner of the article:   (Redirected from Desecrate) .. where the "Desecrate" will be a link.  At present, it's what we call a redirect.  You'd need to remove the redirect, and add the article.  Perhaps if you started your article in your user space at maybe User:Jagerodin/Desecrate, someone would be willing to look it over, give you some tips, and help you get things the way you want them to be.  Best of luck. — Ched :  ?  20:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

(hmmm .. would have thought I'd have gotten an edit conflict on that?)

Updating hyperlinks in citations
How does one update hyperlinks that have changed in the citations (i.e., the cited page exists at a new location)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kboyse (talk • contribs) 19:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll have to find the corresponding reference within the article. Find the superscript numeral that matches the reference which you want to edit. Click on the "edit" tab for that section and find the link you wish to update. TN X Man  19:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Importance of Person
Hello, I was recently considering creating an article regarding one of my favourite authors. They happen to be a little known upstart however, and I was wondering as to what degree of importance a person should have before being included on the site. I can provide references regarding them and their work, and have double-checked for pre-existing articles, of which there is none.

MasteroftheWord (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for asking first, take a look at this: Notability (people). Prodego  talk  20:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

An article I want to edit does not have an "Edit" tab
I would like to edit the article on gerbils (Headed: "Gerbil"). There is no edit tab. I can improve the information and cite a reliable source. How do I do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahtnamas42 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is semi-protected, which prevents new users from editing it, if you wait 4 days and make at least 10 edits you will be autoconfirmed which will allow you to edit such pages, or you can post the addition you wanted to make here, and someone could make it for you, all the best SpitfireTally-ho! 20:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

german sheperd puppy
At what age does a german sheperd puppy have all of it's baby teeth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.117.159 (talk) 20:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You might find what you are looking for in the article about German Shepherd Dog. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps.  TN X Man  20:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

retinal detachment and use of a sclerol buckle
A sclerol buckle was placed in my right eye in 1996 when I suffered my first retinal detachment. Since then, I have experienced three (3) more retinal detahcments and re-attachments while the initial buckle was still in place. I have also had two corneal transplants in the right eye, the installation of an Ahmid Drain and two extractions of silicone oil. All of this occurred AFTER the sclerol buckle was initially installed. Now, I am experiencing regular and intermittent bleeding from the eye which has been occuring for the past year. It is believed that the cause, or source, of the bleeding is from the buckle which I am advised should now be removed. If that happens, will it make the retina more vulnerable to once again being detached? If the bleeding is stopped will when the buckle is removed, will the eye heal properly? Any helpful information would be appreciated. James D. Tindle, Ph.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.162.61 (talk) 21:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but wikipedia does not give medical advise, thank you SpitfireTally-ho! 21:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, this page is for help on how to use Wikipedia. I think you're looking for the reference desk. However, no one there can provide medical advice either.  hmwith  τ   04:41, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

deletion log
I created a wiki page. It appears to have been deleted but there is no record of it in the deletion log. Is there any way of tracking down what happened to it and why it was deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.88.156 (talk) 21:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you remember the name of the article? Also, did you create it while you were logged in? Anonymous users cannot create pages. Thanks SpitfireTally-ho! 21:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

request for comment
I'm involved in a request for comment / history and geography which is dragging on unattended, started 1 month, 8 days ago, there has been no comments added to the discussion for almost 2 weeks, how could I get it commented on? (Off2riorob (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Could you provide a link?  hmwith  τ   04:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello
I was wondering if this new article I created, Sharon Wilkinson, met Wikipedia's notability criteria. I mean there's some news coverage and she's a politician and all. Thanks.--Sevenagechunt (talk) 21:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Take a look at WP:POLITICIAN - local politicians need significant press coverage. Also, inline references will help. – ukexpat (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

How to submit my page
Made a great page on my user profile but cant submit it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stef Campbell (talk • contribs) 22:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Stef. The text you refer to, if submitted as an article, will almost certainly be deleted for failure to assert importance under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion. The reference you cite is to the swimming club's own webpages so it provides no supporting reference to an independent, reliable source (which is considered an inherent indication of importance). What I suggest is that you continue developing the article before "going live" and that you do so in a subpage rather than your userpage, for example User:Stef Campbell/Fins CSC. Find some independent sources to cite. Write more than one sentence. Show their importance by having been written about in real world sources. Then, when you have done that, you can WP:MOVE the article to Fins Competitive Swimming Club. If those sources I mentioned do not exist, Wikipedia should probably not have an article on them. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Putting scrollbar in a sidebar
Is it possible to move the scrollbar at PokerTracker into a sidebar at the top of the section it is in where it has replaced an image. The text currently still references an image at the left. I would like it to reference a scroll bar at the left. The current format of the scrollbar takes up the full page width and it is at the bottom of the section.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * See Accessibility. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 00:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Reliable source with possible original research
My question involves the use of a reliable source that "might" contain original research, but I can't find any Wikipedia policies that directly apply. It involves the article Scottish American. The article mentions several U.S. Presidents of Scottish descent, including Barack Obama backed up by the following source. I'm not as interested with the claim or in commentary about the claim, as to how this reference is used.

On the one hand it's a reliable source, the BBC. The newspaper article is a typical article (not an opinion/editorial piece). The newspaper article (as you can read for yourself) quotes the First Minister of Scotland, Mr. Salmond, as making two points that back up the reference in the Scottish American article:


 * Mr. Salmond states that Mr. Obama sent a message to him in which Mr. Obama pointed out his own Scottish ancestry
 * Mr. Salmond (either because of the previous point or some other) calls Mr. Obama a Scot

Based on these two points it could be said that the BBC is a reliable source that corroborates Mr. Salmond's points. However it seems like this falls under some sort of original research. In other words, it seems like Mr. Obama is stating his own ancestry and the BBC is simply quoting him....well quoting Mr. Salmond quoting Mr. Obama.

Any thoughts...about how this reference is used?ndyguy (talk) 23:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The article says "according to genealogists." The reader can accept the claim as a fact or not. WP, it seems to me, has done its duty by citing the source and letting the reader decide how factual it is. In any event, I'm sure there will be other Sources to come in the future, and one or more of them can be added to the article. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That's not original research. It's just citing a claim made by a man, who was quoted in a reliable source. That fits WP's standards, and it's not OR at all.  hmwith  τ   04:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like this falls under verfiability. Thanks for the responses.ndyguy (talk) 02:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)