Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 May 19

= May 19 =

Tabernaculo Biblico Bautista Amigos de Israel
I'm a young proud Salvadorean and I am when are you going to do a article of - Tabernaculo Biblico Bautista Amigos de Israel, my dad is the pastor of one of many churches around the world and we want people to know about this corporation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.4.133 (talk) 00:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * providing the place is notable (primary and secondary sources exist on the web) or other material stating its notability there wouldnt be a problem with creating the article yourself. You would first need to create an account for yourself. Reading Your first article andHelp:Starting a new page is a good place to start for details Ottawa4ever (talk) 00:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sources do not have to exist on the web, they just need to meet the requirements at WP:RS. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Name of an old song !?
There is a song about a boy and a girl who were best friends their whole lives, and when they grew up the boy fell in love with the girl .. but she married another man. the only line i can remember from the whole song is " then she told of the day that she shall be wed" i heard it the other night and cant figure out what its called. I'm from Newfoundland .. and it's likley thats where the song came from .. its very old too. Please Help !? i need to know what its called ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amandadawe (talk • contribs) 00:40, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You could try posting at the reference desk Reference desk. I googled the lyrics but didnt come up with anything Ottawa4ever (talk) 00:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Be sure to specify as much as you can about the song (musical genre e.g. rock and roll, country music, synth pop, smooth jazz, death metal, maybe even a smooth jazz/death metal fusion, etc.), whether the vocalist was male, female, or a duet, was there a solo vocalist or vocal harmony, anything you recall about the instrumentation (was it just a plain rhythm section or did it also have a horn section or an orchestra), the time signature if you know enough about music theory to have recognized it, where you heard the song, etc. If you heard the song on a radio station, often radio stations have someone who can answer phone calls. Some radio stations have Web sites where they might put up their playlists. If the radio station has a Wikipedia article, look at the article history to find Wikipedia users who might know quite a bit about the type of music the station plays. --Teratornis (talk) 01:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Apologies if I did this wrong, WP:NOTFORUM and I am under the impression such discussions are to be deleted.Cptnono (talk) 05:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've restored the question, since NOTFORUM applies to off-topic discussions. Since this is the help desk, we do occasionally get questions from people that would be better placed at the Reference desk (which is where Ottawa4ever and Teratornis suggested the original poster go). TN X Man  11:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * To Cptnono: Wikipedia talk:Help desk is a suitable place to discuss the "best" way to handle "improper" questions on the Help desk. --Teratornis (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And see Help desk/How to answer. That guideline has been in place for quite a while. --Teratornis (talk) 17:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.Cptnono (talk) 02:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

How do I insert Images
How can I insert Images on wikipedia articles, ??Notedgrant (talk) 00:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If the image is already on Wiki, use  NAMEOFFILE.jpg . See WP:UPLOAD for information on uploading.  Zoo Fari  00:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou --Notedgrant (talk) 01:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Legal question? Not really(?).
Okay. Here's the deal. I have a group of kids that are interested in forming some rules for their new starting council at school, and they like the ideas expressed in WP:CIVIL and WP:NOOB. They want to adapt those into their bylaws, but even I am not sure how we would document it or where. Since this is GFDL, and needs attribution, should I footnote it or put it on the cover or back cover saying "___ adapted from ___ on Wikipedia" or what. Thanks for the info! —Mr. E. Sánchez (that's me!)What I Do / What I Say 01:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * General guidelines are in the links under WP:EIW for example WP:REUSE. If you are wondering where the students may document their rules, one handy option is to set up your own school wiki, which will then leave a useful tool for future generations of students. See User:Teratornis/Tips for teachers. --Teratornis (talk) 01:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * One secondary effect of creating your own wiki for this is that it also solves the GFDL problem you started with. Create a wiki, then cut and paste the wikitext of each of the two Wikipedia articles to create the initial versions for two pages on your private wiki, then add an attribution notice from those pages, citing the respective Wikipedia articles. Your students can then hack away at the articles wihout further need for attribution, and later generations of students can use the history function to see how the text evolved from the original. -Arch dude (talk) 21:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Resetting indent Well, we don't have access to a server to host a wiki, but we want to type up some bylaws, but the idea of civility and not insulting newcomers would be derived over 50% from WP:CIVIL and WP:BITE, respectively. I guess my question is really, "can we use the text in our bylaws book and then make a small disclaimer towards the back or front of the book that says 'some sections adapted from Wikipedia' or something to that effect?" —Mr. E. Sánchez (that's me!)What I Do / What I Say 01:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you may do this. To be absolutely rigorous, you should read the GFDL and adhere to your understanding of its terms. As a practical matter, simply place the following text in a footnote: "this document includes (or originally included) text from "[insert the url here]" which is licensed for our use under the GFDL. The GFDL may be found here:[insert GFDL URL here]. This document is copyright(c), by [your organization], and is licensed for use by anyone under the GFDL." As a side issue, you can creae a server from any random computer, at no cost except the cost of student labor. Just run a copy of Ubuntu (or any other free Linux distribution.) If you cannot get a donated old computer, you can purchase a SheevaPlug ($99.00) and a 250GB external USB hard drive ($50.00) This will easily run a Wiki. -Arch dude (talk) 03:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sports Edition magazine is not defunct nor has been
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Edition_Magazine

You are allowing someone to post slanderous statements about the magazine on your site.

William Rabson Owner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.179.224 (talk) 03:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the article to the previous revision. In the future, you may consider posting your concerns directly on the article's talk page. If you come across unambiguously false information, do not hesitate to correct it yourself. decltype (talk) 05:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Freemasonry page vandalized
Apparently, the user Quebec99 has vandalized the Freemasonry wikipedia page by placing "THE JEWS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11" at the top of the page. I do not have the ability to fix it, hoping someone with sufficient authority might be able to. -Iodasaphe —Preceding undated comment added 04:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC).


 * Which article are you referring to? Freemasonry does not seem to be vandalized. decltype (talk) 05:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing that as an edit by the editor mentioned (he did add reference clean up) so I assume it is shenanigans or a misunderstanding. related pages also look fine.Cptnono (talk) 05:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * -- PirateSmackK Arrrr! 06:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ahh, there it is. For the record, User:Quebec99 had nothing to do with that edit, which was reverted after one minute. decltype (talk) 06:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks decltype ... I didn't vandalize anything! Quebec99 (talk) 14:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm totally baffled at how to start a new Wikipedia entry for a product I've invented recently.
Hi:

I invented a product recently (It's been awarded a US Design Patent and I'm still awaiting a U.S. Utility Patent) and I wish to begin a Wikipedia page on the item and, after reading all of the Wikipedia info I could handle, I am still not 100% certain at how to go about describing my product of notating it in such a way that does not appear as advertising or the info is deemed outside of Wikipedia's Terms and Conditions. My product is fairly simple to describe and use and can be used on over 4.07 billion spray cans sold a year in North America.

Can anybody help me get a handle on how to do this properly?

Thanks!

Ken Becker Inventor, Marketer, Etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenkneeb (talk • contribs) 05:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * With respect, you don't seem to have read the rules about notability and reputable sources. You have to be able to refer to where your invention has been written about, by someone other than yourself, in some external source.  When and if that happens, then it might - repeat, might - be considered notable enough to warrant an article in Wikipedia.  Until then, definitely not.  Best of luck anyway.  --  JackofOz (talk) 05:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:DIRECTORY, FAQ/Organizations, WP:CONFLICT It looks like you are willing to be neutral but verifiability of the noteworthiness of the product is necessary. Also: Your first article Cptnono (talk) 05:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

My talk page
Can anyone tell me how I can get my talk messages to be left-aligned on my talk page please? Cheers! dottydotdot (talk) 08:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Add a table end  to the end of User:Dottydotdot/talkhead. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The problem seems to be related to your talk header (User:Dottydotdot/talkhead). I will look into it Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 08:40, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks!dottydotdot (talk) 11:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Malaysian Speaker in High Impact Jurnal Writing
Hi friend

I believe that u can assist me in contacting Malaysian Speaker in High Impact Jurnal Writing. Your prompt respose is highly appreciated. Thank u. —Preceding unsigned comment added by InAMyLady (talk • contribs) 08:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - this means that wikipedia is a compilation of knowledge based upon external sources. WIkipedia is, however, not a means for trying to contact people. Articles about people are written by the community, not by the people they have as a subject. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 09:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Reporting a user to admin
Hello,

Can someone poitn me in the right direction i report a day or to ago about someone keep asking me to record things and send them illegal, they have now done it again even after i warned them about ti and said i would report them, so i like ot know how to report so i can.--Andrewcrawford (talk) 10:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would suggest the admin noticeboard or one of the more specific noticeboards at the top of that page. Thanks.  GARDEN  10:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

My entry had relevance etc. so I can't understand why it was deleted
Hi, I created a new page called 'Medikidz'yesterday and it was deleted under the A7 part of the code, i.e. it was deemed not relevant. It is a company that provides medical information for children and is the first of its kind in the world. How is this not relevant or notable?

Thanks

Paula Finn Paulafinn (talk) 11:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Did the article have notable references inside the article that demonstrated notability? By notable references - you cannot use anything produced by Medikidz, including press releases.  If an article does not demonstrate notability in the article itself, it will be deleted.  Looking at your userpage, it is apparent that you are affiliated with Medikidz.  Therefore, it is apparent that you have a conflict of interest.  It may be better to ask others to write the article once you have gathered up some references. -- k a i n a w &trade; 11:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A7 is the notability criteria, which means that if an article has been deleted trough it, it was judged as being not notable enough (in the form it was removed in) to be included into an encyclopedia. Without going into specifics already, have a look at the WP:CORP, WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:RS guidelines. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 12:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Username
I have forgotten my username how do I find out what it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.114.209 (talk) 12:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you remember any articles you may have edited while you were logged in? If so, you can check the history of that article to see if you recognize any of the names. Aside from that, I don't know if there's much we can do to help. TN X Man  12:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I edited an article on Congleton but I cannot find those pages. I can't find anything in the history but perhaps I am not doing it right. I added a note on other congleton's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.114.209 (talk) 13:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could look through our list of articles with the word Congleton (see this page) and see if it was one of those? TN X</b> Man  13:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I originally added the text on this page to the Congleton page as I thought it might be of interest but it was then moved to the Congleton (disambiguation)page. Could you tell me why this was done. I don't know where to look for my username. Sorry to sound a bit thick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.114.209 (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It was the IP address 84.68.221.37 which added "Other Congletons" in this edit in March 2007. If that was you then you were not logged in to an account at the time. Wikipedia articles are supposed to have one subject and not list different subjects with the same name. There are disambiguation pages for that such as Congleton (disambiguation). See Disambiguation. It would be impractical to have a list of other Congletons on each article about something called Congleton, and if they are only listed in one place then it seems practical to do it on a separate page. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

suggested improvements
Hello,

Is there any way to suggest improvement to the wikipedia software more spefically the watchlist as i add more it getting harder to check spefici article for vandlism etc or for changes. My suggestion would be to have it split under heading like wikiepdia, x project, y project or have the ability to move it to catergoies ytou can show and hide--Andrewcrawford (talk) 14:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the best place to propose this would be at the technical village pump. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  15:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * But first study everything under WP:EIW in case what you want already exists, or you see that someone has created a tool which might be a starting point to develop what you want. Note that Wikipedia's developers always have an enormous backlog of things to do. Requesting a new feature basically amounts to asking lots of other people to wait for their requests. As a general observation, it seems not many Wikipedia users could say they are perfectly satisfied with the existing watchlist capability, but this has been true for years, so the problem may not be easy to solve. --Teratornis (talk) 17:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you mentioned vandalism, also see WP:EIW. --Teratornis (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Content Deleted for Lack of Notability--Would like to improve
I noticed that there was an article about musician Emily Wells which was deleted because it did not show that she is notable enough to be in the wiki. I have collected information, including interviews, releases, and collaborations, that I believe show she is indeed notable.

Is there a way I can access the deleted article in order to ascertain that I have collected more information than was previously included, and possibly to include some information from the previous article, in order to create a new article that I believe (and hope) will be sufficiently notable not to be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rehjanis (talk • contribs) 15:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I would offer to userfy this, but an examination shows that much of the text seems to have been ripped from this review. I recommend that you start from scratch at User:Rehjanis/Emily Wells. When you think it is ready, you can ask for a review. You will need to have an admin unprotect the old deleted page before you can make it live. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way, this site is called Wikipedia, not wiki. A wiki is any website using wiki software; there are thousands of them.. – ukexpat (talk) 21:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Random text appearing
List of countries by British immigrants is currently at AFD. If you look at its entry in today's log, you'll see the text "This guy is a Richmond VA ad agency owner trying to sound more important than he really is." at the end of the entry. Where is this text located? It's not at the AFD itself, and it's not on the actual log page itself either. Nyttend (talk) 15:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The next item on the AFD Log page is Articles for deletion/William Bergman which is an improperly formatted AfD request, consisting of just the text you linked. If the AfD is not properly formatted after a certain period, it will be closed. Arakunem Talk 15:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Isn't there a bot that fixes malformed Afds? – ukexpat (talk) 21:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * DumbBOT does to a certain extent, but I don't know just how incomplete is TOO incomplete for the bot to fix. That article has been manually listed now. Arakunem Talk 15:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

new user -- many questions
Hi -- I am a new user and really have no idea what I am doing. I created a page -- and hit -- save; of course I thought I was saving as a draft, but I don't know where it is now and it is not ready to be live. It is just a biography of somebody, but it needs work. So here are my questions: 1. where can I put this article so that it is in a draft place where I can work on it over the new few days before it gets made live; 2. when it is time to go live, is there a special "live" button I hit or does it get there automatically (although i think in my subsequent reading I have determined that the Wiki editors review everything before it goes live and it takes four days -- is that right) 3. in the heading of the person on my draft it says my username then slash the name of the person I am writing about -- is that how it will appear when its live (because I don't want it to look like that.) thanks so much -- I promise to read all the information more carefully rather than just plowing ahead, which is what I did. This is harder than it looks! Executive Counsel (talk) 18:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there. The article in question can be found at User:Executive Counsel/Debra cafaro - which is in your own namespace - separate from the main encyclopedia articles - which is the exactly the right place to work on a draft before going "live."  When it is time to go live, you would move the article to the main namespace - which is easiest done simply by starting a new article called Debra Cafaro, and pasting your article there.
 * That said, please be aware that Wikipedia has a threshold of notability of the subject to determine if the article belongs in the encyclopedia. You can read all the details of this policy at WP:BIO.  The easiest way of telling if your subject is notable enough for inclusion is to see if you can find independent sources confirming the assertions made in the article.  These sources, should also be cited in the article.  More details about writing your first article can be found at WP:FIRST.  Please read all the links I've included for best results.  -Seidenstud (talk) 18:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The page you created is User:Executive Counsel/Debra cafaro. On Wikipedia, everything is live. There is no hidden space where you can edit in private. If you want to do that, you'll have to safe your draft on your own computer. Wikipedia's equivalent of "going live" is moving a page into the article name space. Your page is currently in your user space. That is what the "User:Executive Counsel/" in front of the person's name means. That is the proper place for such an incomplete article. You can work on it there if you want. Once you are satisfied with it, you can move it to Debra cafaro (or rather Debra Cafaro, as Wikipedia article names are case-sensitive). Hope this helps. Good luck with your article. <tt><font size="3" style="color:black">Good <font size="3" style="color:black">raise </tt> 18:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) The article you are talking about is located here. You can search for articles created by yourself by clicking " My contributions" in the top right of the screen, assumed you are logged in onto the account you created them with
 * 2) Pages that should go to another location are moved trough the "Move" tab. This tab is located on the tab bar of the article, right of the button "History" and is called "Move". It is incorrect that pages take 4 days to go live - 4 days is the time in which an account is auto-approved. This is a mechanism that prevent vandals from creating a mass amount of account that have full default privaliges of editing. Pages are availible immediately, but indeed every page is reviewed and if necesarily removed, in real time (In that time the article is availible).
 * 3) The name that will appear there is whatever name the page has. So if you move the page to "123" the text there will be 123. It currently had that yourname/pagename format because its a personal user subpage for yourself.
 * 4) While you did not ask, make sure you read WP:BIO and WP:NPOV. The article you made is very close to the borderline of being a promotional article, and is therefore subject to deletion. Also, i assume that you are the person in question or that you are liated to that person? In that case i advice WP:COI as well, as creating pages you have a conflict of interest with is strongly discouraged. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 18:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If Ms Cafaro is not sufficiently notable for an article on Wikipedia, there are other alternatives such as Wikipopuli and Wikibios. – ukexpat (talk) 21:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

need help
what is the name of this article? it's for my school —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.231.186.48 (talk) 18:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This article? What article? The article you just posted your message on? That is WP:HELPDESK, the helpdesk for wikipedia. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 18:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * To find citation information for any page, click "Cite this page" on the left side of the page. Of course, please be aware of the (possible) consequences of citing tertiary sources, which are neatly summed up at the top of the cite page. Xenon54 (talk) 18:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Free
Hi Wikipedians,

I've finally gotten my hands on some free computer time after a very long period of serious exam studying, so I'm happy to help with anything on here that needs doing. Is there a list of tasks that need doing or similar that I could help with? I wouldn't mind doing anything like that when I get some free time.

SnoozingInTheLemonGrove (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Try Maintenance or if you'd prefer to be more of a gnome then maybe WikiProject Check Wikipedia would be more you're thing. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 20:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There's plenty to do! Check out our info on contributing to Wikipedia to get an idea of things to do. If there are specific topics in which you are interested, you could see if there is an associated Wikiproject where like-minded editors hang out. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  20:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is never done, and therefore there is always something to do. There is no definitive list with things that need to be improved; Compiling such a list for 2.8 million articles would probably take more time then writing them all again!. What to do then? Well, that entirely depends on what you want to do. If you like creating and improving articles you might want to join up with a Wikiproject, which are groups of people that maintain and improve a certain category of articles - you can just pick a project that covers a type of article you like. Most times these project feature a list of articles that need improvements.


 * Another place where a partial list of work excists is WP:Backlog, which covers categories that have a backlog in editing. The subjects on this backlog are diverse and might require reading some guidelines before you will be really effective.


 * The last categorie (And the one i mainly work in) is the maintenance or patrol category. This section is dedicated to keeping the quality of the articles stabled by removing New pages that do not conform guidelines and reverting vandalism added to articles by disruptive IP's and editors. A word of warning for this category: Since you are dealing directly with people in a negative sense (Telling them they are vandals) you should remind excessive caution not to (like i did when i started) become overzealous and start reverting and tagging in a to liberal sense.


 * Conclusion: First think what you would like to do. Spellchecking? New articles? Excisting articles? Something else? Just remember you can always swap around and try. Remember to Be bold but carefull when editing and you will be doing just fine :). Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 20:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Some more ideas:
 * WP:EIW - move some images to Commons, and categorize them there.
 * Create documentation subpages for templates which lack them.
 * Answer questions on the Help desk, or on our other help pages (some of which get less attention than this Help desk page).
 * Answering other people's questions will give you many ideas about things that need work.
 * --Teratornis (talk) 20:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * To extend what i just wrote a bit: In case you like to write and improve articles, it might be wise to start with improving them before writing a full fledged article yourself. Due to the rather large amount of guidelines involved with new pages it might be simpler to learn by trying to improve what others made. It might prevent a discouragement as articles that do not meet the guidelines tend to be removed - and i rather don't want to see you disappointed in case your hard work would be removed. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 20:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Guys, thanks for the advice, Excirial especially, I'm sure it will be very helpful ;) SnoozingInTheLemonGrove (talk) 21:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Image Frames
How do I change it?--Monkeyfox (talk) 20:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just as you would a thumbnail, except write "border".
 * [[Image:Flag of England.svg|border|50px]] produces [[Image:Flag of England.svg|border|50px]]. (the border might be a bit hard to see - it's a grey-tan-ish colour). Xenon54 (talk) 20:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!Monkeyfox (talk) 20:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Is the table too long - if so what to do?
I'm trying to improve USA women's national basketball team. I'm looking at USA men's national basketball team as a model, but don't want to simply mirror it - I'd like to improve if possible. So far, I've only added the FIBA results.

I'd like to add the coaches and players, in a better format if possible. I created a sortable table of all the head coaches here: User:Sphilbrick/Sandbox for USA Head coaches

On the positive side, the sortable table makes it easy to sort by year to see what happened each year, by event if you care about a particular event, by name if you are looking for a particular person, etc.

However, it is fairly long at 194 entries, and I fear that there may be guidelines suggesting that tables shouldn't be this long.

The assistant coach table will be longer, and the player table longer still.

I suppose I could create separate tables for events, but that would eliminate the ability to easily note that Anne Donovan has coached nine different USA teams.

Any suggestions?Sphilbrick (talk) 20:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your example of finding that Anne Donovan has coached nine different USA teams is similar to the types of queries that a semantic wiki can do - just an offhand observation which doesn't apply to Wikipedia yet. The page: When to use tables has a guideline that may pre-date the sortable table feature. Sortable tables are useful in ways that lists are not, at the cost of some uglier wikitext markup. You might want to ask on Wikipedia talk:When to use tables if you don't get a good answer here. Personally, I don't see much problem with very long tables, but on Wikipedia it's hard to predict how other people might react to something in the future. Probably nothing we do today on Wikipedia will still be here in 100 years exactly the way we did it. --Teratornis (talk) 20:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I might add that even with a plain unsortable list, or multiple fragmented tables, one could count the number of Anne Donovan's coaching stops by pressing repeatedly until the search wraps back to the top of the page. Clumsy, but it works. --Teratornis (talk) 20:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointers to those discussions, I'll check them both. Sphilbrick (talk) 20:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

change the language on my facebook
all the instructions on my facebook has turned into chinese> What should I do to make it all English? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.165.137 (talk) 20:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.  TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  21:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Image copyright/license/fair use rationale
I put an image on the page Jim Wilkes, that keeps getting tagged and deleted because of Image copyright/license/fair use rationale. I found the image Wilkes & McHugh, P.A.'s website. It's right there clear as day. It's out there in the internet. I don't understand what else is needed for this photo to be legitimate. Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimmask (talk • contribs) 21:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Kimmask, someone else will be able to explain it much better than I, but basically there's nothing wrong with the image itself, but the placing of it on here and where it came from. To upload a picture it needs to have the relevant license, which this image apparently doesn't have. Hope that gives you an idea. :) SnoozingInTheLemonGrove (talk) 21:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Although I can't see any copyright information on the company's website, it is a reasonable assumption that the photo was taken by someone on the company's behalf, and they retain the copyright. It doesn't say anywhere on the site that they will allow the photo to be reused by others. Wikipedia has very specific rules about using material copyrighted by others, particularly with regards to living people. This is known as non-free content. Basically, if a person is alive, we assume that it would be possible to get a free (non-copyrighted, useable) photo of them. Because it should be possible to get a free photo, we are not allowed to use a copyrighted photo - except in certain, unusual circumstances.


 * What you may be able to do if a free photo cannot be found or taken, is contact the company and ask if they would be willing to give permission for that photo to be used. Information on this can be found at Donating copyrighted materials. -- Kateshort forbob  22:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Image widths as a percentage
List of winners of the London Marathon is at FLC and I'm trying to make the images fit next to the tables well. Is there anyway that I can force an image to take up a specific percentage of the page rather than just relying on the user thumb settings or the "px" value? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) <sup style="color:#0B7C08;">WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!  22:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You cannot specify image size directly in percentages. There are some templates for this, but you have to enter the actual height and width which will then get out of synch if someone uploads a new version of the image. You might want to take a look at mem, which I developed for exactly this purpose and includes an image list. See List of United States Naval Academy alumni for one use. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Photo Upload
I have been trying to upload a jpeg file multiple times but it doesnt not allow it. It seems to be uploading it, however in the end the photo does not show itself, the file remains broken.

I dont know whats wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koushymama (talk • contribs) 22:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You do not seem to have uploaded anything: you need to go to Upload and follow the directions. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 23:31, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You cannot upload images yet— your account was created on May 18, 2009. A number of actions on the English Wikipedia are restricted to user accounts which pass certain thresholds of age and editcount: users who meet these requirements are considered part of the pseudo-group autoconfirmed; accounts which are more than 4 days old and have made at least 10 edits are considered autoconfirmed. Autoconfirmed status is required to move pages, edit semi-protected pages, and upload files or upload a new version of an existing file. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

YouTube Link
I want to use this YouTube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3f5-Vdi7g

as a reference for the Akira Kurosawa article. Would this break any copyright rules?

Also, on an unrelated note, can I use a Japanese website as a reference for an article?--Stepusual (talk) 23:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Been a while, but I'm sure this is one of the features from the Grizzly Man DVD. Its use on Youtube appears to be a copyright violation. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, it is. Thanks for the answer.  Could you answer my second question: Can I use a Japanese (or any foreign) website as a reference for an article?--Stepusual (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * English sources are preferred but non-English sources are acceptable. – ukexpat (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--Stepusual (talk) 00:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)