Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 May 21

= May 21 =

Image file problem
I uploaded an image, intending to give it a fair use rationale. The image sucessfully, but deleted all of the description and licensing verbiage. Now, the page won't allow me to edit it. What's going on here? Cla68 (talk) 00:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I created an image description page for File:Maccabiah bridge collapse.jpg. See if you can edit it now. —teb728 t c 00:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Good to go, thank you. I don't know what happened before. Cla68 (talk) 00:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know what happened either. Somehow it had an image but not image description page. —teb728 t c 00:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

New word
I've created a new English word and had it published in a reputable magazine. How do I get this word onto Wikipedia so people can start adding to it? Dmcelroy23 (talk) 00:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Dmcelroy. You don't. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. By contrast, our sister project, Wiktionary, is a dictionary. Note that at Wiktionary, proposed additions must meet their criteria for inclusion, which require that definitions have clear 'attestation', meaning that they are verified as having: 1) Clearly widespread use; 2) Usage in well-known works; 3) Appearance in a refereed academic journal; or 4) Usage in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year. I don't think what you are describing would be enough to meet their attestation standards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You can always try something like Urban Dictionary if it doesn't meet Wiktionary's standards.  hmwith  τ   04:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Preview image before upload
Hi, does anyone know a simple way to preview how an image would appear in an article before it is uploaded. In the past, I have saved the page to disk and changed the image path manually. But that is tedious, and the result won't be the same (because of the dynamic scaling, AFAIK). Any help appreciated. Thanks, decltype (talk) 02:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is the "show preview" option, but that's only for images that are already on WP. Commons could always use extra images, so feel free to upload any free images there. Even if you decide they do not quite work in the article in which you originally planned, chances are, someone will find use for them somewhere. However, to answer your question directly, there is no option on WP to do that.  hmwith  τ   04:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's what I thought. It's not so much that they won't fit at all in an article, but it would be really nice experiment with cropping and editing without uploading a new version every time. But thanks anyway. decltype (talk) 14:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Procedure for grant of licence/ approval by Walt disney for manufacture of textile garments
Date  21 05 2009

Gentlemen,

We are a textile knitted garment manufacturing unit at Tirupur India. We have already obtained compliances certification from ISO 9001, WRAP and BIS. We are currently interested in obtaining approval or licence from Walt Disney for manufacture of garments for sale to their accredited franchisees or dealers.

Could you please advise us the procedure therefor and the name of the web site where the details for applying for licence is available. We were able to get the manufacturer's code of conduct but could not locate the web site or details for applying for licence. Could you please help?

Regards R.Premkumar, Manager Compliances, Deluxe Knuitting Mill, Tirupur 04:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.200.28 (talk)
 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This page is the help desk, which for answering questions about how to use Wikipedia. You can try asking Disney or getting advice from other similar businesses. That would be your best bet.  hmwith  τ   04:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

How to View Messages?
Corruptcopper (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC) I received a message, but I wasn't logged in, and when i went to another page, the message dissapeared, how do I get back to viewing that message? Is there a link somewhere on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.208.87 (talk) 04:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you get the notification while logged in or while using your IP address? You can view your talk page of your IP address by going to User talk:72.144.208.87. If it was your username, log-in to Wikipedia under your username, and click this link. Let me know if you have any more questions, and I hope that you can find your message,  hmwith  τ   04:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that if you are using a shared IP address or a shared computer and you are not logged in, messages to the IP address may not be intended for you. Please do not be alarmed if you see a stern warning that was intended for an earlier user of the IP address. Simply ignore it if it's a shared IP address, or notify the computer's administrator if it's a shared computer. Your login account is not affected by this. -Arch dude (talk) 10:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

two simon hill's - i'm in a bit of a mess!
Corruptcopper (talk) 16:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

hi, I've been researching and writing an article for an english composer/ music producer, Simon Hill. There is another Simon Hill who is a sports commentator and journalist. I tried to add (commentator) after the original Simon Hill, so two would appear when 'Simon Hill' was searched for but got in a bit of a mess! Now there are 4 pages: Simon Hill, Simon Hill (commentator), Simon Hill (journalist) and Simon Hill (composer and music producer). When Simon Hill is searched only the Simon Hill (journalist) appears... can anyone help???!!!Marionnodder (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, what needs to happen here is (as there are only two people), the more notable of the two needs to be moved to Simon Hill, to include a WP:hatnote directing visitors to the other Simon Hill's page (and vice versa). One of Simon Hill (journalist) and Simon Hill (commentator) needs to be deleted outright. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 10:18, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I left it as a disambiguation for now but we can always redirect to one. There's no need for deletion.   -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: I have no clue which one is which, especially since both pages are now exactly the same. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:23, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, we're fixing a cut-and-paste move, which will require admin attention. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 10:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I unwounded it with everything at Simon Hill (commentator) for now, deleting the other one (which was the same person at two names). Your composer/music producer can be added by adding a hatnote at the top of the page and then writing from the red link. Ask me if you need help. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I can move Simon Hill (commentator) back to Simon Hill but I want to make sure the new article, where it is, gets set before taking care of that. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, Simon Hill (commentator) back at Simon Hill with a hatnote to Simon Hill (composer/ music producer). I think we're all set. Jarry? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

What to do about incomplete AfD
Corruptcopper (talk) 16:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Taking a look at Student prank I noticed the AfD at the top of the page has never been completed and the AfD discussion never created. Can I just delete it from the article, or is there some procedure to follow? Astronaut (talk) 11:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, an IP address cannot create a new page so I'd remove it and post a note on their talk page asking if they need help. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

how do I become a New Page Patroller?
How do I become a new page patroller? I have been to the various project pages, and it doesn't say anything on how to become one, except that I put my name on this list, and I did that and nothing happened. I also put this script in my monobook.js file, and it is supposed to show up the 10 newest articles or something. But nothing has changed! Can anyone please tell me how do I become a new page patroller? Seems that the information already on Wikipedia is lacking. --Diddy29 (talk) 11:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I just went to the new pages log, and found the list of new pages. But how do I delete and do stuff like that that the new page patrollers do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diddy29 (talk • contribs) 11:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, in order to delete pages, you must be an administrator. However, you can tag pages to be deleted, if they meet the criteria for criteria for speedy deletion. This can be a tricky thing to do, as you must make sure the page you are tagging actually meets the criteria. If you have identified a page that needs to be deleted, simply add a speedy deletion or proposed deletion tag to the top. An admin will review the page to make sure it should be deleted. If you have questions, it's better to ask first before tagging, as it could be construed as biting a newcomer if you tag pages willy-nilly. TN X Man  11:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well you certainly don't need that script to become a newpages patroller and I see you say your found direct access at Special:Newpages *(nothing "happens" when you become a newpages patroller; you just participate in the process). I'm not sure why that tool isn't working for you but I've always found many java scripts finicky. It may be broken; it may not work with the browser you are using, or it may need some tweak to your preferences. You could drop a message on User talk:TheJosh/Scripts/New Page Patroller. Meanwhile, if you want a rather similar function, just place on your userpage . The number at the end can be chosen, and sets the number of newpages to display. Most newpages patrollers operate from the actual special page though. As for patrolling, I second Tnxman in that you should become very familiar with the criteria for speedy deletion and only tags pages that meet them exactly. I reject many invalid speedy tags every week. Many of the speedy deletion tags associated with the criteria are listed in the sidebox on the CSD criteria page under "speedy" (direct link). Note also that it is very strongly recommended that you inform the creator of the article of your tagging. Most of the speedy deletion templates provide a copy and pastable notice in their body once posted. You just copy, go to the article's history, go to the talk page of the creator and paste. Some automated tools can automatically provide these warnings, such as Twinkle. Some pages that do not meet the speedy criteria but may be better proposed for deletion (PRODed) or taken to articles for deletion (AfD). Newpages patrolling is not just about tagging for deletion though. It also means simply taking care of issues that brand new articles have, such as affixing maintenance templates; making manual of style modifications; categorizing; fixing reference markup (so many users who are trying to source forget to place Reflist in a references section); stub tagging and on and on. Note that once you've addressed an article's initial issues, it's a good idea to mark the article as patrolled so that users can see someone has patrolled the page and do not duplicate efforts. As a neophyte to these issues, it's hard to know if you've taken care of an articles major issues, so I'd only mark it as patrolled for now if you have marked for deletion in some way.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

History portal
Can someone with more wiki-savvy than I fix the problem with the multiple Simple English entries on that page? --Edgerunner 76 11:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Those were transcluded from Portal:History/box-footer and Portal:History/box-header. I wrapped the interwiki in  to prevent them from transcluding. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Removing quotations on page title
How do I edit the title of a page I created? I accidentally put quotations around the title and need to remove them.

15:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjhbrooklyn (talk • contribs)
 * To change the title of a page, you "move" the page (more info here). For now, I think you're too new to be allowed to do this (4 days and 10 edits are required), so you can post a link to the page title here if you want and we can do it for you. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 15:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless it's promotional and non-encyclopaedic, which appears to be the case here. "Catholic Medical Mission Board" doesn't assert its notability, a fundamental requirement for a page to be included here. It might be best to move this to your userspace so that you can work on it. --AndrewHowse (talk) 16:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved it to User:Sjhbrooklyn/sandbox where you can work on it without it being deleted, which would probably have happened in article-space. Please read WP:NOTABILITY and WP:CORP and make sure that the article meets the criteria there. --AndrewHowse (talk) 16:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

VAI, Vormittag Associates Inc.
this article looks really bad. can anything be done about it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.163.247.1 (talk) 15:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no article by that name. What is the article you're talking about? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * here: VAI, Vormittag Associates Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.163.246.1 (talk) 17:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It should have been speedily deleted but now prodded. – ukexpat (talk) 20:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that we don't just delete pages on their looks, which can be easily fixed. It's the content that causes issues, but I assume that's actually what you meant.  hmwith  τ   21:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have nominated it for speedy deletion as a copyright violation from https://www.partnerpedia.com/companies/395. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

3RR
Does the 3-revert rule still apply when undoing vandalism? just a little  insignificant  16:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, provided that what is being reverted is "obvious vandalism", see: 3RR. – ukexpat (talk) 16:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope. See WP:3RR for more info. I don't know how we'd get anything done otherwise! TN X Man  16:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

World Record
world's second largest steel bolted grain bin is in south charleston ohio.

where is the First one located at?

thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brcrum (talk • contribs) 17:16, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. TN X Man  17:18, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal
I'm currently looking at maybe mediating a few cases in the Mediation Cabal. I spoke with the coordinators and asked them these two questions, but they didn't answer them at all really.


 * Do Cabal Mediators give informal rulings?
 * Do Cabal Mediators get involved with the cases(like involving in disucssions) or do you just let the involved parties talk over it, then after they think they've had enough disagreeing or consensus is reached; you make a move...or what?

Thanks :). Renaissancee (talk) 18:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say their answers are better than any of ours. Try Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal to reach a bunch of regulars who may be more helpful.  hmwith  τ   21:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Change title of an article
Could an admin please change the title of article Appa Sherpa to Apa Sherpa? All the news sources (and the subject himself on his website) write 'Apa' not 'Appa'. Thank you --Amplitude101 (talk) 19:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Amplitude, this request belongs at WP:RM. You'll probably get a faster response if you list it there. JulieSpaulding (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer, I've added my request there. Amplitude101 (talk) 19:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

mba
companies look for what during placemet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.111.166 (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 2.8 million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.  TN X Man  19:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that he thinks we are directly affiliated with anyone. I think he's just looking for advice on how to get a new job and what companies look for in new employees. You can try Googling something along the lines of "what do employers look for".  hmwith  τ   21:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

problem with yo-yo BP due to faulty baro-receptor?
I was reading an article (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Frank%20Kajda/My%20Documents/Frank/health/carotid%20artery%20info/Baroreceptor.htm) and I was wondering if you could help me or advise me where I might get some assistance.

I am writing with the hope that you might be able to direct me to someone that has some experience with the problem I suffer from.

In July 1995 I was treated with about 28 doses of intense radiation in the throat and neck area for Squaemous cell carcinoma at the base of the tongue that was very aggressive and metastasized into the lymph system literally within days of the diagnosis in April of 1995.

In January 2006 I lost my eyesight for a few hours and it was diagnosed that my carotid artery was blocked on the left side in the area of the radiation treatment. Within 2 weeks of the diagnosis I had a carotid endarterectomy on the left hand side to repair the artery. It was determined that the artery was blocked due to scarring from the radiation treatments.

Within 6 months it had scarred over again and in May 2007 I had a stent placed just above where the endarterectomy was done and the flow has more or less normalized.

Prior to that surgery I did not have a problem with my BP other than that about 1 year prior to this I had a migraine and at that time I had an elevated BP and they put me on diovan HCL and I had no further problems until the surgery.

Since having the surgery my BP has been on a Yo-Yo type function that ranges from about 235/ 139 to 68/40. It can still hit those extremes at varying times.

I was told that the baro-receptor in the area was causing it and that it should settle down within a few days.

Well it has never really settled down, and although the focus was more on the high BP side because of the dangers of stroking, there are 2 areas of concern for me now.

One is the low BP flashes that come upon me. They used to be sporadic but now occur a few times per day and some days almost continuously.

The other is the affects of the scarring from the endarterectomy on the neck area which continually feels like someone is choking me and is wreaking havoc with the neck, shoulder and upper back area.

Do you know where I might get some assistance with this or someone that has some experience with this?

From the research I have done recently, I have learned that if you have had radiation treatment especially in the neck area that it is not uncommon to suffer from blockages in the large vessels and increased deterioration in the vertebrae, which I am also experiencing.

I would appreciate any assistance that you could provide me.

Regards,

Frank Kajda  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.20.39 (talk) 20:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, we can't give medical advice. I recommend you consult your doctor, or another medical professional.  Stwalkerster  [  talk  ]  20:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Use of Wikipedia text without attribution
The article http://www.alternativehealthjournal.com/article/wayne_allwine__voice_of_mickey_mouse_dies/2872 uses the text of the Wikipedia article Wayne Allwine but is not compliant with the terms of our license. Is there a central location where I can report this violation? Powers T 21:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps WP:AN? Before you do anything, be absolutely sure the site copied from Wikipedia and not the other way round. Xenon54 (talk) 21:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see Mirrors and forks—especially the subsection, Non-compliance process as well as Standard GFDL violation letter and GFDL Compliance (which last is a very poorly organized page in that it contains no instructions on its intent, use or ambit).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * BE BOLD and fix it! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

2009 Graduation date for Belgorod State University Russia
How can I find the subject graduation day in June 2009. Do does Belgorod State University have a list of students who well Graduate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.204.120.26 (talk) 21:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Or maybe try contacting the university via its website. – ukexpat (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

USER UNFRIENDLY
HOW COME I CANT CREATE AN ACCOUNT??

HOW COME THE HELP DESK OFFERS NO HELP???

63.215.27.35 (talk) 22:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How come I can't figure out how to turn off caps lock? --PigFlu Oink (talk) 22:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello. I get that you're frustrated, but you haven't provided enough information in your question for anybody to be able to help. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Creating an account isn't too hard. Just click the link saying "Log in/create account" in the upper righthand corner of the window. From there, you can easily create your account. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. (but please turn off your caps lock- that's considered "shouting" and is rude) WP:AGF, guys. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 23:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Title Changes
how do you change the title of a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CeresVesta (talk • contribs) 23:24, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You have to move the page to a new name. However, moving can be a controversial business, particularly if the article is a popular or heavily edited one. What article is this in question about? --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 23:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Naming a New Article
I want to create a new page for the Selected Works of Mamoru Oshii. I want to make it similar to the filmography pages that are in the Ingmar Bergman, Steven Spielberg, Andrei Tarkovsky articles. However, the page I want to create is not limited to films. Mamoru Oshii has also written novels, manga, directed radio dramas, etc. So I can't name the page "Mamoru Oshii filmography."

What should I name the new article? Would "Mamoru Oshii selected works" be fine?--Stepusual (talk) 23:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Much of the material you intend to add seems to already be in the main article. In general we only create a secondary article (such as the two you mention) when the main article becomes too large or unwieldy. There is no need to split an article merely to maintain a structure analogous to some other set of articles. I reccommend that you continue to add your material to the main Mamoru Oshii article, and when it is in danger of being too large, discuss this question on the article's talk page. If nobody responds to your discussion tere, then come back here. If you eventually do need to split the article, I reccommend "Works of Mamoru Oshii," but please ask for other opinions on the talks page. And thanks fo ryour contributions. -Arch dude (talk) 01:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I should have made myself clearer. I want to create the new page because I believe the selected works section on the main article is becoming too large (I intend to add a Notes section to the Table which would make it even larger).  I want to transfer the information to the new page.--Stepusual (talk) 02:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For the relevant guidelines, see WP:SIZE, WP:SPLIT, and WP:SUMMARY. These can help you decide when it is time to split a section out of a growing article, and then defend your decision against the deletionists or anyone else who disagrees. Before doing anything drastic to an existing article, it's best to discuss it first on the article's talk page and get consensus. Discussing first is cheaper than battling it out after making the change. --Teratornis (talk) 04:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)