Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 May 31

= May 31 =

Delicious redirect?
This isn't really a request for help, it's more along the lines of reporting a problem I don't know how to fix. When I did a search for "Delicious: Emily's Taste of Fame" (a video game) I was automatically redirected to an external website "delicious.com" I know that shouldn't happen, but I don't know what exactly is wrong or how to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.77.103.133 (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This is actually intentional although I can understand your surprise. It holds for all searches starting with  when you activate "Go" instead of "Search" at the search box. It's the same for wikilinks like  Emily's Taste of Fame.   is listed as going to http://del.icio.us at Interwiki map. http://del.icio.us then redirects to http://delicious.com/ The interwiki map gives an easy way to create links to selected external sites by typing a certain word followed by ':'. Occasionally this conflicts with wanted article titles here at Wikipedia. Then a Wikipedia article must use another name, for example Species - The Awakening instead of  The Awakening, because   is on the interwiki map. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

First time CfD attempt
I have listed a category for deletion (Category:Sabbatarians), and am really unsure as to whether I followed the correct steps. Could somebody look at what I've done and make sure that I've dotted my i's and crossed my t's? I would really appreciate it. Un sch  ool  01:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It all looks OK. The only step you missed is to notify the category's creator that the category is up for deletion. You can probably just drop him/her a note. TN X Man  02:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Tnxman307; I've done that now. Un  sch  ool  02:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Introductory, nontechnical hatnote
{ {Introductory article|Quantum mechanics} }

Where do I find information about the above hatnote and how it is used? See Introduction to quantum mechanics for a sample. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you check out, it should have the info you need. TN X Man  02:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The documentation is in Template:Introductory article/doc.  Chzz  ►  02:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

problems hitting internal links
hi sometimes when i hit an internal connection, rather then go to page itself, I get a windows dialog box askong me to save a file. problem exists in both hebrew and english wikipedia i use ie8/vista home answer by email to would be most appreciated Rzg (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you have a box checked in your preferences that shouldn't be. Go to the "My preferences" tab at the top of the page, then click on the "Editing" tab. Make sure that "Use external editor by default" and "Use external diff by default" are unchecked. Let us know if that fixes it. TN X Man  15:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not editing. Just browsing through wikipedia and hitting an internal link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzg (talk • contribs) 09:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * nope. no help!!!Rzg (talk) 04:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I get this sometimes— I think it is a connection issue. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.134.102.16 (talk)


 * nope.not a connection issue !!!Rzg (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC).


 * here is a screenshot of the error msg i got when hitting the link pyongyang [[File:pyongyang_error.jpg]]

(outdent) I notice that that specific article has 2 direct links in the body text to articles on the Korean Wikipedia, and I suspect that this is causing the problem; the foreign characters are being converted into unicode, and it is confusing your browser.

These links are coded like this:  and

They appear like this:

신시 and 낙랑

As far as I am aware, using interwiki links in this manner is not the norm - but I'm not certain enough to remove them. I will therefore note the issue on the articles discussion page.  Chzz  ►  11:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

(outdent)

What does "{semiprotected |small=yes}" mean?
The Beowulf article has been protected for the past 6 months, and I thought maybe it shouldn't be (until I looked at the editing history).

Anyway, I deleted {semiprotected |small=yes} from the page, but it didn't have any noticeable effect. Do I need to put it back / what does it do? Jabberwockgee (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's just a notice to anyone that accesses the page, that it is protected. Removing it does not unprotect the page. Only an administrator can protect or unprotect pages. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 04:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to request unprotection of a page, go to Requests for page protection (WP:RFUP), and yes, you should put the template back.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your edit was undone, here, at 04:21 UTC.    Chzz  ►  08:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * creates a lock icon in the upper right corner to show that the page is protected. The icon links to Protection policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

File Upload
how can i upload file —Preceding unsigned comment added by M nallana (talk • contribs) 05:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If the file doesn't violate any of our WP:COPYVIO policies, then I would say that if you follow the links to WP:UPLOAD, you'll be on your way. Best of luck. — Ched : ?  05:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If the file is in the public domain or under a free-license or you own the copyright (i.e. a photograph you took yourself) and you are willing to release it, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up; take seconds). Once uploaded there it can be immediately used here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you already have an account on the English Wikipedia, you can unify your account to work on Commons without the need to register separately, by going to Special:MergeAccount and following the instructions. --Teratornis (talk) 19:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Colors
I'd like to know how to create a background for text, like on Word.--Launchballer (talk) 08:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * ( UK English For The Win :-)  )   Chzz  ►  08:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank You Australia
Hi I contributed an article on Thank You Australia on May 19 but it has never been posted online. I kept searching the subject since that time but up to now I've been getting negative result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Venusa7 (talk • contribs) 09:59, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You put it in Articles for Creation which means someone else may one day create it, but it's very backlogged. However, if you have an account-after a few days & 10 edits you can create your own page.  However looking at the article you're going to need to establish notability etc.  Give me a shout on my talk page if you have any questions. Dottydotdot (talk) 10:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Articles for creation/Thank You Australia Inc was missing something so it didn't show up in Category:Pending Afc requests where editors look for requests. I have fixed it now. Users with accounts are able to create articles right away. Dottydotdot is referring to autoconfirmation which is required for certain other things. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * After the page had been categorized it only took 17 minutes to get a response. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops sorry, got myself mixed up! Dottydotdot (talk) 13:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Uploading logos
Lets say if I want to upload a logo for e.g. Cardiff City FC for Wikipedia, then I found the raster logo from the club official website. Then I asked my friend "Johnny" to convert it to SVG. Johnny then converted it and put the vector on his website for me to put it on wikipedia, but he told me that I must give credit to him and put the website url along with the SVGed file. How should I write down the url. Should I put his name on the file description ? Can someone provide me with an example ? Arteyu ? Blame it on me !  11:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at File:Alfreton Town FC.svg, does the description looks okay ? Would it be deleted ? And where should I put Johhny's name ? Arteyu ?  Blame it on me !  11:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for responses Arteyu ?  Blame it on me !  13:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would think that you would need permission from the Club's official website to use it on Wikipedia. Check out Image use policy. Hope this helps! Wireless Key board Click!   Clack! 14:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) There are usually fewer active editors on Sundays. Image copyright is not my best side. You can try Media copyright questions. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Logos allows use of logos in some circumstances. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You can use it as the primary logo of the organization. The image will be copyrighted to the organization. You can acknowledge any editors, but they have no rights to the image or its derivatives. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Science portal
Could someone take a look at Portal:Science/Portals_and_WikiProjects and figure out (a) are the two    needed, and (b) why does the portals info show up in the projects section? I've tried a couple of edits, but nothing seems to work. Thanks &mdash; G716  &lt;T·C&gt; 16:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to, then the id act as an anchor, letting you link to it within the page, just like a section header. The portals section is transcluded from Portal:Science/Subportals. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The extraneous closing    have been fixed - but the output from the portals still shows up in the project section of the page. Thanks&mdash; G716  &lt;T·C&gt; 17:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Looking at Portal:Science/WikiProjects (the box that the stray portals is appearing in) the table isn't closed, would this affect the display? Nanonic (talk) 10:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I closed the table on the offchance, seems to have fixed it. Nanonic (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me too. Thanks! &mdash; G716  &lt;T·C&gt; 23:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Corporations in the US
Can a company in the US be a corporation if just one person is in control, eg. the founder has all control no employees or members of the company can kick him out and there are no stockholders? --Melab±1 &#9742; 18:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.You will have better luck there for answers to these kinds of questions. However, from a quick scan of corporation, it seems that a company like that wouldn't fit under the description of a corporation, because corporations have shareholders. These two sentences from the article might be helpful: "Corporations exist as a product of corporate law, and their rules balance the interests of the shareholders that invest their capital and the employees who contribute their labor. People work together in corporations to produce value and generate income." Fingers OnRoids  18:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops. Wrong page. Thought I was posting to ref desk. --Melab±1 &#9742; 21:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And see: Sole proprietorship. --Teratornis (talk) 19:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Stealth
Stealth (film) anyone able to fix the big space in the plot section - I can't work out what's causing the gap. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't see a gap. Where are you seeing it? TN X Man  19:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hum.. seems to be a rendering problem in IE8 (maybe in other versions of IE?) it inserts a big gap so text starts after the end of the infobox. This does not occur in either firefox or chrome. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I see the gap when compatibility mode is enabled in IE8, but not when it's disabled. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Try moving Image:Jessica Biel Josh Lucas.jpg down a few paragraphs. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Should work now. Livewireo (talk) 14:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Inserting an image from Italian Wikipedia in English Wikipedia
How can I insert an image from Italian Wikipedia (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zouna_mista.GIF) into an article in English Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.67.173.72 (talk) 19:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Images have to be either on Wikimedia Commons or the English Wikipedia to be displayed here. I don't know Italian but the image appears to have a link to move it to Commons, and a license that allows it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I suppose I have to use CommonsHelper to copy the image from it.wikipedia.com to commons.wikipedia.org. I did it and still cannot insert the image. --115.67.49.241 (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The image has been deleted from the Italian Wikipedia with a statement that it exists at Commons, but it hasn't been there as far as I can tell. It may require an Italian administrator to restore it now. I have posted to it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅: now on commons (File:Zouna mista.gif) -- Double  M   13:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Image has been inserted into the article. --115.67.87.167 (talk) 16:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Putting references within ref tags
In a featured list candidate comments at Featured list candidates/List of Grade I listed buildings in Sedgemoor/archive1 I have been requested to add references into "Notes" within the table in the article List of Grade I listed buildings in Sedgemoor. When I add refs to the notes I get an error telling me they need a closing "/" when they are already properly formatted - this may be because they are already within tags. Any help or guidance on how to overcome this one would be great.&mdash; Rod talk 21:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This appears to be a known bug see Footnotes. The workaround seems to involve #tag magic word, but I can't get this to display them properly at present, so help still appreciated.&mdash; Rod talk 21:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I made them normal references for now. Is that what you wanted?  hmwith  τ   21:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying but NO - I've been told on previous FL nominations that the notes (giving explanations) need to be seperate from refs (citing sources), but now they want refs within the notes!&mdash; Rod talk 21:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I figured that out right after I made the change (and reverted accordingly). Fail. Sorry!  hmwith  τ   22:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Concerning the GFDL
When the GFDL does it mean the content (e.g. sentences and images) or the information must be relicensed under the GFDL? --Melab±1 &#9742; 21:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure what your question is here, all sites can use text from wikipedia under GFDL, as long as they attribute wikipedia, if that is your question. Fingers  OnRoids  01:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If your site uses material from Wikipedia, then you are using copyrighted material under the terms of a legal license called the GFDL. Please read and understand that license or get a lawyer to give you an opinion, just as you would for any other legal document. Here is my non-authoritative personal opinion: Basically, you may use the material, but only if you then license the entire web patge in which it appears under the same license. Since images are not actually "in the same web page," you can make an argument that you my use such images on the page even if they are not themselves under the GFDL. However, text that is in the same web page is must certainly be released underthe GFDL. -Arch dude (talk) 08:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Categorizing company articles
Comparing the IBM article's categories:

... (more "companies" categories)

to those of IPL Information Processing Limited

... (more "companies", "consulting firms" categories)

Company (firm/vendor/provider) and location categories are common to both. Only the IPL article includes software and technology categories - categories relating to IPL's products. Thus the question: should the article for a company include categories for the products of that company?

The same question, in a different form: Should a product category page, say Category:Word processors, include both products and companies that manufacture them?

And a 2nd question: Where should I have found this answer without having to ask here? Thanks 69.106.253.194 (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really know the answer personally, but a better place to ask would probably be Wikipedia talk:Categorization. The people there specialize in categories, and are more knowledgeable in the criteria for articles to be in certain categories. Fingers OnRoids  01:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)