Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 May 5

= May 5 =

Enzo Ferrari (automobile)
Would a template expert please take a look at the opening paragraph of this one. The various "auto" templates appear to be screwing up the formatting of the text that follows them, but I am stumped as to the solution. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 00:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I managed to get around this by substituting the various weight and measurement conversions, instead of a direct transclusion. Should work okay now.  tempo di valse  [☎]  00:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It does thanks. Any idea what the problem is with the transcluded templates? And no need to leave a talkback for me (but thanks anyway!) -- I am a help desk regular and have this page watchlisted. – ukexpat (talk) 00:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what caused the problem - obviously something in one of the templates is conflicting, but I can't imagine why that would be. (PS sorry for the talkback, I know you must have this page watchlisted, but it's already become something of a habit, so I did it without thinking.)  tempo di valse  [☎]  00:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup it's a mystery so I have asked over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions. – ukexpat (talk) 01:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's as if the auto kg, etc templates force a new line and space. They seem to be mostly used in infoboxes, without ill effects, but sometimes break in body copy, e.g. in Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Convert might work a bit more smoothly in those cases. --AndrewHowse (talk) 01:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Im not new but how do I create?
I need some help creating some pages! Im not new but I don't know what to do! May anyone please help me! Im only eight years old and is in seconed grade. I'm only intrestid in making wikipedia pages! Can yo help? Thank you for your Cooperation! --Rhiannon (talk) 00:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.  tempo di valse  [☎]  00:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you want to write about? --Teratornis (talk) 02:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Viewing IP Userpages
Hi. How do I look up my IP userpage? I do know my IP address, I just don't know what the page would be. Waiwai933 (talk) 01:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's here. — Jake  Wartenberg  // ER 02:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

References help
How can I create references that are the same under "reflist"? They are listed as the same "note" in the section for references. For example, check out the article Hulu. Reference #11 under the "References" section is shown like this: 11. ^ a b c I hope you get the idea. Please help! —Untitledmind72 (talk) 01:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Take a look at WP:NAMEDREFS. – ukexpat (talk) 02:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding name to chronological list of names
I want to add a name to the list of Law Clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States. There is an edit box for each seat, but I can't figure out how to insert the name in the right chronological sequence. 02:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingate44 (talk • contribs)


 * You are referring to List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States? Each of the "seat" sections is actually transcluded (fancy word for "automatically incorporated") from a separate article on that seat, see List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States (Chief Justice), for example. So you have to edit those separate articles for the changes to appear in the main list. Be careful though, table coding  can be confusing. – ukexpat (talk) 03:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's correct. And if you're not sure how to add it in the table, feel free to edit the talk page, requesting that another editor adds it.  hmwith τ   14:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I think what I want to do is put the information on the talk page and ask that another editor add it. However, I'm not sure where the talk page is. Is there on on the Law Clerk list? Or, do I locate an editor's page? Sorry for these very primitive questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingate44 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Another option would be to post a message on the talk page of the US Courts and Judges Wikiproject at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States courts and judges. – ukexpat (talk) 20:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Date/time format
Dates and times have suddenly changed format and started to include extra information like "last Thursday (6 days ago)." Have I somehow altered my settings to get all this extra stuff, or is it new? If new, is there a way to opt out?

Moreover, the calculation isn't accurate: at 09:35 5 May (UTC+1) I am looking at an entry which reads "10:05 pm, 30 April 2009, (6 days ago)(UTC+1)" That is actually less than 5 days ago - 4 days 11 hours 30 minutes, to be exact. JohnCD (talk) 08:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you have enabled "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time" under Gadgets at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that was it, don't know how that happened. But for those who do use that facility, the elapsed-time calculation is still wrong. JohnCD (talk) 15:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

SEARCHING FOR A JOB
I,am a kenyan who has been searching for a job along time a have a diploma in stores management and stock control.Please assist me or advice me on the same i will appreciate any respond.Thanking you in advance God bless you


 * Hi. First, I do wish you the best of luck at finding a job.  The one problem here is that we are an encyclopedia project, and mostly volunteers at that.  We don't do any hiring, or job placement here, we just write articles - like: Job hunting.  Best of luck to you. — Ched :  ?  12:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

oxcarbazepine with Quetiapine
Can the above 2 products given simultaneously and if yes what can be the maximum dose —Preceding unsigned comment added by Subane (talk • contribs) 12:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer, and contact an appropriate medical professional.. Sorry. — Ched :  ? 12:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Google and/or Yahoo Search Capabilities
How to I set it so my article comes up on Google or Yahoo when you search the title of my article?

Right now when you type in "Back on My Feet" to Google, the wiki article doesn't show up. And if you type in "Back on My Feet wikipedia", Michael Bolton comes up.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Back on My Feet (talk • contribs) 13:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Search engines usually take a few days to re-index Wikipedia. Give it a few days and the article should start to show in search results. TN X Man  13:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Google and Yahoo are in control over the results of their search engines. We, as mere Wikipedia editors, cannot do much to influence these results. You may wish to read search engine optimization, a featured article on the subject. Hope this helped. Good raise  13:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * But let's not forget that we are here to build an encyclopedia, not engage in a Google or Yahoo page rankings contest. Search result placement is a nice side effect of what we do, but it's not the be all and end all of why contribute here. – ukexpat (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

How to read weekly CDF file with GrADS
I have a problem when using Reyn_SmithOIv2 weekly ssta. The CDF file is bigger than 300MB and the information about this data said it included 1433 pts :grid but when I use GrADS to draw pictures the time can't change. That is the data only include 1 pts:grid. Of course this is wrong. How can I solve this problem? Does someone know it? If yes, please tell me. Thank you very much!! My QQ: 337401399 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplejack1985 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 2.8 million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Or you could try our math reference desk.  TN X Man  13:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Reclaiming an old and inactive account
Greetings,

Upon trying to merge my accounts to a unified one, I found out I couldn't log in to my account here at enwp because of an (probably) old password. Seeing as the account has no contributions, I was hoping it could either be removed (and later manually reinstated by me) or have the password changed by an administrator.

Have a great day! //Hallabro (contribs) from svwp, also known as 81.235.161.6 (talk) 13:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you need to ask at Changing username/SUL for a bureaucrat to help with this one. BencherliteTalk 13:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You can request a new password by clicking "Email new password" on the log-in page. We do not delete accounts, and the bureaucrats won't do a rename due to the lack of contributions (if you cannot log-in to the old account, a rename couldn't be done anyway). Just create a new account & start editing! It's that simple.  hmwith τ   14:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, is this a SUL attempt at trying to basically usurp your own, old account? In that case, the situation may be different.  hmwith τ   14:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's SUL-related, so a name change won't suffice I guess. Placed a request at the SUL page. Thanks for the heads up! 81.235.161.6 (talk) 14:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Deletion notice
Hi, I have just added a page to wikipedia regarding an Australian pro wrestler. The page is called "Brian Cannon aka Dingo, Thunder dingo, Dingo crocmaster. However, I just noticed that there's a notice that says "It is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern: no sources showing notability ". What does this mean, and how do I fix the problem?

ARCHONIAN LORE (talk) 13:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:Notability. E Wing (talk) 13:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you read our info on biographies (which describes what articles about people should contain), as well as our info on reliable sources (which are used to support articles). TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  14:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Brian Cannon needs a lot of work, most especially references. I suggest that you ask for userfication, where the article is moved to your userspace and you can polish it up until it is ready. I will do this at your request. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

What's the code to create a random article link in a wiki page?
I have read the FAQs and tutorials, but I don't see what's the code needed to create a "Random article" link in a wiki page. Can someone explain how to do it?

Thanks in advance :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Registrau (talk • contribs) 14:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not difficult, but I feel I must ask where you would place the link. Is this something for your userpage or an article? I can't imagine why an article would need a link to a random article. Of course, I could be missing something? TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  15:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's for personal use at my wiki site. Sorry if this is not the right place to ask so. It would be really handy if I could learn the code needed though. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Registrau (talk • contribs) 15:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. The code looks like this: Special:Random, which produces Special:Random. Best, TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  15:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that's really helpful :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Registrau (talk • contribs) 15:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

problems hitting internal connections
hi sometimes when i hit an internal connection, rather then go to page itself, I get a windows dialog box askong me to save a file. problem exists in both hebrew and english wikipedia i use ie8/vista home answer by email to would be most appreciated Rzg (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you have a box checked in your preferences that shouldn't be. Go to the "My preferences" tab at the top of the page, then click on the "Editing" tab. Make sure that "Use external editor by default" and "Use external diff by default" are unchecked. Let us know if that fixes it. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  15:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not editing. Just browsing through wikipedia and hitting an internal link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzg (talk • contribs) 09:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * nope. no help!!! Rzg (talk) 04:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Next time that happens, let us know which page or which internal link caused the problem, and somebody here may try to duplicate it. (By the way, we don't use individual e-mail addresses. Also, you sign anything on this page merely by striking the tilde (~) key four times.) Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

commercial real estate leases
In Maui how much has commercial real estate leases declined in the last year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.30.61 (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  15:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Where do I find job descriptions
I am looking for job descriptions for sales positions 16:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.120.245 (talk)
 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 2.8 million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.  TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  16:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Opening Wikipedia in MIME
Since updating Windows Internet Explorer to 7, my browser tells me MS cannot open MIME every time I attempt to refer to a Wikipedia article (today's was VITICULTURE). What can I do to get back to Wikipedia without getting lost in the MS "Support" labyrinth?93.41.180.130 (talk) 16:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you have a box checked in your preferences that shouldn't be. Go to the "My preferences" tab at the top of the page, then click on the "Editing" tab. Make sure that "Use external editor by default" and "Use external diff by default" are unchecked. Let us know if that fixes it. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  16:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Tnxman, for your speedy answer. Now, if you can tell me where I can find "my preferences" perhaps we could both get on with our lives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.41.180.130 (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. It should be at the top of the Wikipedia page. Does this happen when you are signed into an account here, or when you are here anonymously? TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  17:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Though I use your pages daily, the way our dog worries her bone, I don't have a Wikipedia account. This is the first time I have asked you for help, mainly because seeking MS help plunges me into the deepest depression in the wake of time-wasting, mind-numbing chases to no avail. If I have to sign in, I will be happy to do so. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.41.180.130 (talk) 17:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's not that you have to be signed in to an account, it's just that I have not encountered this error for an anonymous editor. I think you may get a better response at the village pump, though, because I'm not sure what's going on. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  18:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

How to get message alerts removed from article
Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia so sorry for the questions. I have spent a fair amount of time trying to find my answers on the site but I can't!

My company has a listing on the site -- Triple Point Technology.

I'm not sure how it was originally posted. There are two alerts at the top -- 'Orphan' and 'Advertisement.' In researching the rules around Wikipedia, I understand why the Triple Point article reads like an advertisement. There are several 3rd-party information sources that could be listed to rectify this.

My question is, what is the process for getting the warnings removed and how long does it take? Who has the 'authority' to get the warnings posted in the first place? (I told him I thought it was some sort of group consensus.) My boss wonders if it is a competitor... meaning, are we powerless to keep it from happening again? Jen Svensson (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ideally the person placing the tag would explain their concerns on the article's talk page. In this case, I see that did not happen. Best bet would be to make the changes you feel remove the Ad-like tone from the article, and open a discussion on the talk page. Be sure to read a few of the guidelines and policies that apply here, specifically the policies on Neutral Point Of View and Conflict of Interest which are two of the ones most applicable to that Ad-Like tag. Others include the Verifiability policy for information and claims, and the things Wikipedia is not supposed to be used for. If you make your changes and nobody will give any feedback, you may want to inquire at the Neutral Point Of View Noticeboard. You are sure to get some feedback there. Hope this helps! Arakunem Talk 17:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Basically, anyone has the authority to add or remove these kinds of notices, though editors who might have a conflict of interest – such as competitors or employees of the company – are discouraged from posting or removing them. The best way to have the notices removed is to rewrite the article to remove the promotional/advertising elements, and add relevant links to the Triple Point Technology article by adding two square brackets around the company's name (i.e. Triple Point Technology ) where it appears in other articles. Your company, like any other company, has no power to control any aspect of this or any other article, but that does not mean you are not welcome to try to overcome the issues raised. There is no formal power structure determining what content appears in Wikipedia articles – we are still the encylopaedia anyone can edit. I will take a look at the article and see what can be done, and please feel free to ask if you have any other questions or ideas. Regards, Skomorokh  17:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * To reduce the chance of getting into a dispute with the person(s) who added the template messages, you can check the history of the article to see who put the messages there. After you think you have fixed the problems, leave a message on the talk pages of those user(s), asking them to peruse the article and see if they agree you have fixed the problems. --Teratornis (talk) 02:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Internal links on the fritz?
A couple of times this morning, after editing and saving an article, I notice that the internal links in the article are missing and the linked text as well, thus:
 * The archaeological site of Ancient Pap (also known as ) is located on the bank of the in the  of.
 * This article is an, as few or no other articles link to it. Please to this page from other articles related to it. (April 2009)
 * This location article is a . You can help by expanding it.

The external text & links show up fine. Clearing my cache does no good. Any ideas?? Pegship (talk) 17:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That happened to me a few weeks ago, it just went away after a while. I figured it was something to do with Wikipedia's servers being overloaded or something...  TastyCakes (talk) 17:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's like suddenly being subjected to a Mad Lib...Pegship (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding a template to pages
Hey, I made a template for a music artist but I don't understand how to add it to their pages - any ideas? Thanks! Slow poke   (talk)  20:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Just add to the relevant pages, just before the categories section. – ukexpat (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Computers(Unix Security)
CVE-2008-5249/CVE-2008-5250 functions, In particular attention should be paid to the following questions

1.	What is the scale and scope of the vulnerability;

2.	What Linux Systems does it affect;

3.	What is the level of threat posed by this vulnerability to Linux Systems;

4.	How does the exploit function;

5.	How is the exploit code delivered to the target system?

6.	How can this manage/mitigate this vulnerability? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.30.185 (talk) 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.  TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  20:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

copyright constraints?
Are all images on Wikipedia copyright free, that is others could use them (with proper credit) for their own purposes such as web use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.55.6.9 (talk) 21:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Click on the image and you will see the licensing information. Many images are not free, such as images of album covers. -- <font color='#ff0000'>k <font color='#cc0033'>a <font color='#990066'>i <font color='#660099'>n <font color='#3300cc'>a <font color='#0000ff'>w &trade; 21:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It depends. There are broadly two categories of image on Wikipedia: the free-ish and the "fair use". "Fair use" images generally can't be used on personal websites unless you have a valid fair use claim for your legal jurisdiction. Most of the images on Wikipedia are under the GFDL and can be freely used as long as that is noted. Some of them have other conditions, such as Creative Commons 3.0 Attribution, which means you must state who the creator of the image. Other images depend on your legal jurisdiction - might be free in the U.S. but not in Japan and so on. You can tell what specific copyright conditions an image is under by clicking on it and reading its description, so if there's a specific image you want to use just post the link here and we will try to help. Skomorokh  21:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)No, in particular many images on Wikipedia are used in accordance to the fair use rationale. Each image has a description page which should hold copyright information, there is no generic case. Images on Wikimedia Commons, on the other hand, are either in the public domain or under 'free' licenses such as the GFDL or Creative Commons which allow redistribution etc. Equendil Talk 21:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Image requesting a photo of a living person
I have seen an image on articles, especially in an infobox, saying that an image is not available, but asking for such an image. What is the file name of this image? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you mean this one and this one? TastyCakes (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, those images. However, I see a long discussion about whether these images are appropriate in articles, so I am unsure whether to make use of one of these images, or not. Advice?--DThomsen8 (talk) 00:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A glance at Image placeholders, Wikipedia talk:Image placeholders, and Centralized discussion/Image placeholders provides plenty of reasons to feel unsure. Since the Wikipedia community has formed no consensus about using these images, you would use them at your own risk. I.e., if someone who doesn't like the images sees your use of them, he or she might remove them. Since different users focus on different parts of Wikipedia, it's hard to predict whether someone would notice and then disagree with your use of these images. However, you are probably asking this question because you want a free content photo of some particular person. There are other ways to go about requesting photos, which might be better than putting a notice on the article itself. Most people who look at Wikipedia do not edit Wikipedia, so a notice on the article itself would probably confuse and possibly annoy 99 out of 100 or so visitors, who just come here to read and probably have no idea how to upload a photo or how to deal with our stupefying licensing requirements. Other methods to try:
 * Requested pictures
 * Search for a free image with Flickr free. For example, let's try searching for free photos of a random celebrity:
 * - amazingly this produces a number of quality results (some of which are already on Commons).
 * Think about the geographic area(s) in which your person of interest makes public appearances. Then look through Wikipedians/Photographers and maybe you can find someone in the area who can take a photo.
 * --Teratornis (talk) 02:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I make a reference to a CD sleeve and the internet wayback machine?
I'm currently trying to write an article that requires me to make references that did exist a few years ago. I looked the website up that contains the information from the wayback machine. Is this a legitimate source? Also some references require citations from the CD inlay. Is this legitimate also? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wax0nightmare (talk • contribs) 23:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For the first question, see Using the Wayback Machine. --Teratornis (talk) 02:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * As for how to/whether to cite album liner notes, I think that question has come up before. See WikiProject Albums for extensive guidelines about article layout. My quick scan didn't find anything about citing liner notes. You could look at some featured articles about albums and see how or whether they do it. If nobody answers your question here, ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums after checking the archive there. --Teratornis (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)