Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 November 2

= November 2 =

Someone check out why this says mike' at the end of the first section
Just can't figure this out:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Centaurs_%28Michelangelo%29

why the mike?
 * A template that was transcluded onto that page had been vandalized. I've fixed it now, thanks for bringing it to our attention. Glass  Cobra  03:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! --Levalley (talk) 03:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Underarm pain
Pain in underarms. What causes it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.149.208.212 (talk) 03:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You might find what you are looking for in the article about axilla. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). Glass  Cobra  03:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer. Contact your General Practitioner. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 07:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikias not accessable
Whenever I try to go onto Wikia, the page shows absolutely nothing. I thought I'd ask here since this site is somewhat related to that one. --75.83.232.29 (talk) 04:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's actually not. Wikia was founded by the same person who founded Wikipedia, but there is no relationship between the sites. But you're not alone; Wikia is actually down right now. You can check these things at http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ Someguy1221 (talk) 04:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It appears to be back up now. Thought I'd let you know. Nezzadar   [SPEAK]  05:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Yagyu Ninja Scrolls pages.
May I create new pages for some of the characters on The Yagyu Ninja Scrolls page? There is a lot of valuable information there, but it may be a bit much. Would new brach-off pages be okay to create, or would they not be important enough to justify their creation?

Thank you.

Lilpocho (talk) 05:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)lilpocho
 * I'd recommend that you ask at Talk:The Yagyu Ninja Scrolls and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga, particularly the latter. Good luck! Glass  Cobra  05:28, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

How to add a chapter in a book
Can someone link me to the code for adding a chapter in a book as a reference to an article? I can find journal articles and the WP:citations shows how to add a book, but not just a chapter, where the chapter has separate authors. I've seen references like this in articles, but can't find one to copy. Thanks. --69.225.9.98 (talk) 06:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The actual citation templates have many more input options than are shown on the more general citation-related pages. And this is because there are so many such options, and most are used so rarely, that it would make those pages unreadable. Anyway, Template:Cite book does have a chapter option. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Someguy, just what I needed. --69.225.9.98 (talk) 06:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Adding a topic
how do i add a topic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raaawr808 (talk • contribs) 06:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean adding an article? Please see Your first article. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)




 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article. You might also look at How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article. Glass  Cobra  14:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Template for filing arbcom enforcement request
I filed an arbcom enforcement request, using the template provided, but appear to have not used the template correctly. Could someone show me what I am doing wrong or correct it? Thanks. I --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 09:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * From what I can see, only an admin can correct it. May I suggest that you ask at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration? --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 09:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I did ask at the talk page, also. Thanks though for the suggestion. I usually find people who can help pretty quickly here. I assume I'm doing something wrong, but the instructions are not too clear. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 09:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You left some bits in that shouldn't have been there! I'll leave a message on your talk page. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 09:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's fixed now. There's a lot of variability in how templates for posting on a page work. This one seems poorly designed and explained to be used by someone not familiar with it. --69.225.9.98 (talk) 09:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:infobox concert tour
Please help. Im trying to add the alternate text jargon in the infobox concert tour template jargon, but somehow its not showing. I don't know what to do with the jargon. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 11:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It sounds like you are adding alt text with alt. If so, it does not show— alt text is for text browsers and scree readers for the visually impaired. FireFox has an add-on to show alt text in a popup. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Wiki projects
Could any of you gentleman tell me how to join a project? And when I join the project, how do I ask for help to my project mates?--Ace Oliveira (talk) 16:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are many WikiProjects, some very active, some less so. The main directory of project topic areas is here.  Once you've identified a project you want to join, visit its project page.  For example, here is the project page for the Australian literature WikiProject.  It contains information about the scope and activities of the project, and section 16 of the page, here, is a list of participants' names.  Add yourself there to join the project, and use the userbox provided if you wish to declare your project membership on your userpage.  To communicate with your fellow project members, click the "discussion" tab at the top of the project page which will take you to the project's talk page, or check the box at the top right of the project page, which contains links to various ongoing discussions. Different projects may organize themselves slightly differently, but the key to their activities is always the project page, which should contain all the information you need to join and participate.  Ka renjc 17:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Kloxo
Just noticed this article contains some weird and unsourced suicide motive conjecture. Not interested in cleaning this up myself just now. MaxEnt (talk) 19:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed. No place for that kind of stuff here. Glass  Cobra  19:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not see the page. And I am against suicide (though that is ONLY an opinion). However, I thought wikipedia was interesting in having all factual knowledge. Was this a fictional piece? The user above said it was unsourced but that does not mean it is not factual. Maybe it could have been written in more-appealing way. What was the gist of the article and was there any possibility of it being changed to meet wikipedia's standards? I know that wikipedia has LOTS of articles that I find offensive. I do my best to ignore them. hello (talk) 07:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

What to do with a specific user page?
The page in question is this: User:Sehbueno. This obviously new user has created an article about himself on his user page and several subpages about his band, albums, songs and whatever. These are almost all of his contributions so far. Is this appropriate? After all, wikipedia is no web host. Not sure what he is going to do with these articles in the long run, but it doesn't look to me like he or his band had any notability for an article.

Maybe someone with more knowledge of guidelines here could have a look at this. --Sylvia Anna (talk) 19:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with your assessment of this walled garden that Sehbueno has created, and recommend that you bring these pages to Miscellany for deletion. Glass  Cobra  19:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Followup: see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sehbueno. Glass  Cobra  03:40, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

White space
The article Burying The Past: Legacy of The Mountain Meadows Massacre has a section of blank space caused by the second box on the right. Is there a command we can asdd that will tell it to let the text begin before the end of the box? RJFJR (talk) 19:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * helps some. Infobox code should generally be at the start of a section and not the end. The Awards section uses columns. I don't know whether columns can be combined with a box to the right in a practical way. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Another question
Can non-english sites be used as sources and citations?--Ace Oliveira (talk) 19:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As we are the English Wikipedia, we obviously prefer sources to be in English, so that they can be verified by any editor reading the article in which they are used. However, if you list your sources and initiate a discusssion at Reliable sources/Noticeboard, a trusted user who is fluent in whatever language the sources are in might be able to help and vouch for their authenticity and reliability. Glass  Cobra  19:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Verifiability:Non-English sources says English-language sources are preferable to sources in other languages so that readers can easily verify the content of the article. However, sources in other languages are acceptable where an English equivalent is not available. Where editors translate a direct quotation, they should quote the relevant portion of the original text in a footnote or in the article. Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations made by Wikipedia editors. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 21:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

"Speculation" Tag
Is there a way to tag a phrase or citation as speculation or subjective opinion?Anthonzi (talk) 20:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Original research is not allowed on wp.You can use  or  - NotedGrant   Talk  20:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Inline tags: or dubious; article tags: original research. More at Template messages/Cleanup. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 20:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * But only for when something is uncited. When a reliable source states an event is credited with changing how something else occurs, and it says that in the article and cited to the source, it is not speculation, original research nor dubious. It is a sourced and cited comparison. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Disputed Fair Use rationale
How would I go about bringing a disputed Fair Use rationale to the attention of Wikipedia's copyright specialists? I raised an issue about the Fair Use rationale of File:Manning tyree catch.jpg more than two weeks ago, but still no replies. If someone could point me in the direction of the correct place to raise this issue, it would be much appreciated. – PeeJay 22:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * See the red editnotice when you click edit at File talk:Manning tyree catch.jpg. The last point says the page is not the place for copyright questions, and gives two links. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Update bio of living person
While reading the bio of a famous, living, family member, I learned that some info on his early life is incorrect. I got the correct info from his sister and added it to the article. It's now in red, presumably because I didn't list a reliable source. Is a sister a reliable source on where the family lived 70 years ago? How do I cite it? THANKS Luteman74 22:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luteman74 (talk • contribs)
 * You would need to find independent reliable sources confirming the information. The sister would not be a reliable source of information for Wikipedia, as the information cannot be independently verified. I can't give more precise information, as your contribution to the article isn't on your contributions list. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 23:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * However, assuming the information that you say is incorrect is not itself sourced, then you can just delete it: it shouldn't by rights be there at all. If on the other hand it does come from an apparently reliable source, then I'm afraid you're stuck: the criterion for Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 23:59, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding that, Colin - I should have mentioned that myself, but forgot! --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 01:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

About contributions
When an article is moved from userspace to article or vice-versa, etc., do those contributions become counted as if it was in that namespace all along?  Grsz 11  23:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's internal edit counter (i.e. on your preferences page) doesn't care about namespaces. But...they would be listed under the current space in any external edit counter (or if you go to Special:Contributions and filter by namespace), so I think the answer to your question is "yes". Xenon54 / talk / 23:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed the answer is yes. If User:Example/Sandbox has 10 edits and then is moved to ArticleX, ArticleX would show as having those 10 edits (plus the move) and the edit history of User:Example/Sandbox would only show the creation of a redirect at move time.


 * For example, look at the edit history for Pennsylvania Route 371, recently moved from User:Mitchazenia/Pennsylvania Route 371. Regards,  AJ Cham  00:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)