Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 September 19

= September 19 =

Unable to upload over images
I'm not sure if anybody else is having this problem, but I am unable to upload over images. I can upload new files perfectly, but am unable to upload new versions of files. The same thing happens at Commons. I didn't have this problem before the Wikimedia software update.

Here's a screenshot of what I'm talking about. єmarsee •  Speak up!  02:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a problem with uploading images like that, as User:Killiondude kindly pointed out to me. There's a discussion about this at commons: Village_pump. ≈ Chamal Avast, landlubber! ¤ 03:20, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The link should be commons:Commons:Village pump. Wikipedia also has a discussion at Village pump (technical). According to 20677 a fix has been made but not applied yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:07, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

How to user-override MediaWiki messages
Is there a way to replace a MediaWiki message with my own message? In particular, I would like to replace MediaWiki:Edittools with my own version. (Obviously, I have no interest in modifying the real thing; I just want my user to display a different edittools (presumably in some subpage of my user page), in the manner of Monobook.css. Di gama (talk) 03:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * MediaWiki:Edittools is the non-Javascript version. If you see the version with the dropdown box when you edit, then it is from MediaWiki:Edittools.js. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

page deleted
The page I submitted was deleted, how do I konw what was wrong with it? It said (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion). I don't think it was advertising or promoting. who can tell me what part they thought was wrong??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amandamcarter (talk • contribs)


 * From the looks of the deleted article (as one of Wikipedia's admins, I have access to deleted articles), it looks like the primary purpose of the deleted article was to promote a florist shop. It described the products offered and the history of the florist shop to a detail that only an employee or associate of the shop would know, which would lead one to believe that the article was created by someone who was such an employee or associate; as such, it seems that someone who is too closely associated with the shop has created the article (see WP:COI), and such a person would be using Wikipedia to promote their shop.  Additionally, there is no evidence that the article would even come close to meeting Wikipedia's inclusion criteria (See WP:N), so it does appear that the article was deleted within policy (see WP:DELETE). -- Jayron  32  05:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * (e/c) It did indeed read as fairly blatant advertising stumping for the store. The text read very much as a brochure or website for the company might, listing incentive programs, why it's great and so on and, lo and behold, it is the text from website of the company. As such it was also properly deleted as a blatant copyright infringement of under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion as that external page is clearly marked as copyrighted. If you are the owner of the website you would have to release your copyright under a free license for us to even use this material (see Donating copyrighted materials). The article additionally does little to set forth the notability of the company, which, even if you fix the tone and copyright infringement problems, is a hurdle you would have to pass.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

no onscreen images in articles
as of 3 days ago, all wikipedia articles come up onscreen with no images on this desktop computer. no settings were changed. how do i get back the images ? Mckinley99 (talk) 11:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Which browser do you have? Many Firefox users have accidentally right clicked an image and clicked "block images from this server". The image server for Wikipedia is http://upload.wikimedia.org. Check if it's in a list of blocked sites. In Firefox it may be something like: Tools > Options - Content - Load images automatically - Exceptions. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

How to...
I've noticed the super bowl logo wikipedia has is the wrong logo. On the super bowl 44 website the logo is different. The football between the field goal thing on wikipedia has the middle line of the football going all the way down while on the website the line doesn't go all the way down. also the logo should be darker. Here is the logo with the white background:

File:Superbowl44.jpg

Sedna10387 11:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That logo looks the same as the logo displayed on http://www.superbowl44.com. Any differences, if they even exist, are incredibly trivial and it's probably not worth another upload. I think any differences you are seeing is because the currently uploaded logo is of much higher resolution than the one on the website. (Also, I don't think fair use images can be displayed in non-article-space, so I changed the thumbnail into a link.) Xenon54 / talk / 12:09, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure which super bowl 44 website you refer to but the big image at http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/44 is http://static.nfl.com/static/site/img/superbowl/44/logo-bottom.png and looks the same to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

But you have to look at the football! It's a different football. See:

Image:Super Bowl XLIV logo.svg (Wikipedia's logo) Image:Superbowl44.jpg (Newer version)

Sedna10387 16:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, this time you actually linked to what you call the wrong logo and I see the difference. But it's a small difference, a Google image search indicates many sites use the same version as Wikipedia (I don't know the origin of that version), and your jpg version has lower image quality than the svg version (jpg is designed for photos and often give poor quality for drawings). By the way, your signature should link to your user page or user talk page. The easiest way to achieve that is to leave a blank Signature field at Special:Preferences and uncheck "Sign my name exactly as shown". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Do you think you can find the newer version and put it up instead? Sedna10387 Talk 23:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Unable to delete and erroneous wikiproverbs entry
On this page http://www.wikiproverbs.com/index.php/La_fin_justifie_les_moyens. the first translation of the proverb in Polish is incorrect, only the 2nd one should stay (Cel uświęca środki.), but no matter what I do, still both versions remain, I can't remove the incorrect one. Could you point me to the right solution? Thanks in advance.
 * This is Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia. We are not related to and have no control over Wikiproverbs, so please take your question there. A wiki is a type of website that anyone can change, and there are thousands of them throughout the internet. Please recognise that while Wikipedia is probably the most popular wiki, it is not affiliated with and does not main control over every other wiki. Xenon54 / talk / 12:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Your link ends with a period so it requires special formatting to work. http://www.wikiproverbs.com/index.php/La_fin_justifie_les_moyens. works. This help desk is only for Wikipedia (and in some cases other Wikimedia sites). Wikiproverbs is not a Wikimedia site and I don't know how they operate. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

cannot open page
Sometimes, not often, when I enter a subject and click on the arrow it goes nowhere. A box comes up which says.....Unknown file type 17.7 KB. Mime Type: application/X-gzip compressed.

I don't understand why this happens or what can be done to stop it. Do you? Regards, Lee16:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll have to elaborate...
 * What arrow? Wikipedia's search box has a "Go" button. Please note that this page is for questions about using Wikipedia. General computer troubleshooting questions should go to the Computing reference desk.
 * If the problem is with a Wikipedia article, then please tell us which one it is.
 * If you use Internet Explorer, then I think this is a known issue, but there isn't a fix yet. Xenon54 / talk / 17:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

"Ignore" function
I know why there would not be such a function in respect of articles and their talk pages. However, is it possible to "ignore" specific users' contributions when they appear on a page one has watchlisted? Thus, can I watchlist, say, WP:Reference desk/Humanities but not have contributions by, say, User:Whackamole appear on my watchlist? // BL \\ (talk) 17:24, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that is not possible. The only options available to you are shown above the watchlist, i.e show/hide logged in users, anons, bots, your own edits, minor edits. ≈ Chamal Avast, landlubber! ¤ 17:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would you want to ignore somebody's edits? If you are referring to ignoring your own edits, there is a option for that. warrior  4321  21:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As a veteran of Usenet I can see why you might want to ignore someone on reference desk type page. If they are being really disruptive then it's possible to request administrative action, but that's only a last resort in extreme cases. I personally just monitor reference desks and this page manually since all the edits would swamp my watchlist otherwise.--RDBury (talk) 10:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You could make a request at WP:US/R for someone to make a user script with this functionality for you. decltype (talk) 21:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Trubar in Slovene
There is a detailed article about Primoz Trubar in the Slovene language (and of course articles abot him in English and other languages). In am the international coordinator for the Trubar Forum, www.primoztrubar.si, a non-profit organizaion committed to translating Trubar into modern Slovene and other languages. Last year I had made some changes, additions, to reflect the publication of his works in modern Slovene for the first time on the Slovene language page - http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primo%C5%BE_Trubar. They were there for a while, but then disappeared (they remain on he English language page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primo%C5%BE_Trubar).

Ever since then this notice comes up when I try to edit:

Nimate dovoljenja za urejanje te strani, zaradi naslednjega razloga: Ta stran je bila zaklenjena za preprečitev urejanja. Lahko si ogledujete in kopirate vsebino te stran:

Rough translation: You don't have permission to edit this page, because of the following reason: This page has been locked for verification of editing. You can look at and copy the content of this page.

Now the Trubar Forum is publishing the first Slovene book, Trubar's 1550 Catechism, and of course this historic fact should be known. But I can't even add in our website.

Who has control over this page? How has the authority to lock or unlock it? Was there some complaint? Am I the only one locked out? In the page history, I can see several people have access to making changes to it. On behalf of the Trubar Forum, I ask that we be given access to this page, to adding information about them modernization of Trubar's works.

Thank you, Todd Hunnicutt
 * It means that it was locked because IPs tried to vandalise it. If you leave a message on the talk page, detailing what you want to add, someone with the ability to edit should come along and add it in. Otherwise, you can message an administrator on that wiki and ask them to edit it for you.

As to it being changed in the first place - are you sure your edits weren't promotional or uncyclopedic? Thay will be removed if they sound inapropriate for an encyclopedia. Cheers, Cureden  19:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You should probably ask at the Slovenian Wikipedia. If it is anything like en.wiki, my guess is that the page has been protected, probably due to vandalism.  Intelligent  sium  19:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

For movie experts
Movie experts, an editor asked for help here about this page. I don't feel qualified to respond, so I hope someone could pop over there.-- SPhilbrick  T  19:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm hardly a "movie expert", but I spotted a few things in the article that could be improved. And there's still more if anyone feels up to it :) decltype (talk) 19:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

How can the title of an article be corrected?
I have contributed to the page about the New York band called Certain General, but the title of the article as it was originally written has the "G" lowercase: Certain general. As a result, links from other wiki pages do not work. How can I fix this on the Certain General page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BP2727 (talk • contribs)
 * The page had to be moved to a new title, which I have done. You couldn't so this yourself as your account is not yet autoconfirmed, which requires it to be over four days old and having made a threshold of ten edits. Note also that where a title is at one proper name which doesnlt need to be changes but there exist other names for the subject that are likely to be used in searches (including plausible typos), you can create redirects so that those alternate name searches will also reach the correct article. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)