Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2009 September 5

= September 9 =

Deleting article, low profile
Can I request a deletion of an article of a politician if he is a target for a threatening situation? Sorry if im in the wrong place, but due to the situation in my country I was asked to do this.

= September 5 =

Updating a link box
I just updated the link box template Template:Virginia Tech bowl games, but it doesn't seem to be updating on the articles it's used in. Does it automatically update, or do I need to do something? JKBrooks85 (talk) 10:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Help with a page move mistake
I mistakenly moved Merl Lindsay to Merle Lindsay (I realize now I had it backwards and the correct spelling in this usage is without the "e" in Merl). Apologies, can this please be reversed? Thanks, RadioBroadcast (talk) 00:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you do the move yourself? Otherwise someone (or me) will take care of it :-) --Commander Keane (talk) 01:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Done, Commander! I didn't realize that's all there was to it. Many thanks for your polite Wikipedian response. RadioBroadcast (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Readding a Merged Page
Hi, I was wondering - if an article has previously gone through an AfD with the result of Merge and Redirect due to the subject only having notability for the event into which it was merged, and has since gained notability and press coverage outside of that event, how would I go about getting the page for that person readded? Is there an undelete process, or do I simply re-create the page with the new information? (For reference, the pages I am talking about are Miles Beckett, Greg Goodfried and Amanda Goodfried, which all currently redirect to Lonelygirl15.) Thanks. --Zoeydahling (talk) 02:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You may have to take it to WP:Deletion review first. But as long as you have independent reliable sources, just overwrite the "REDIRECT ..." bit with your new information. -- &oelig; &trade; 03:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * So to clarify, can I go ahead and overwrite the redirect or do I need to take it to Deletion Review first? --Zoeydahling (talk) 04:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * My feeling is that to avoid frustration with a later deletion you should go through deletion review, and have your sources ready at the review. You could do a joint review to save yourself some work.--Commander Keane (talk) 11:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Mass history merges
Is there anyway multiple articles can be placed into a new article and have all of their histories merge into the new article's history?  • S • C  • A • R  • C • E •   03:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, see WP:merge. Also, if you want, you can list those pages here and someone would be happy to help out. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) How to fix cut-and-paste moves covers the idea of physically merging histories (it is easier that the diagrams make it look, only admins can do it) but if there are parallel versions a merge can't be done as the resulting page history will be based on timestamps and combine/mix up the two original pages. Help:Merging recommends a descriptive edit summary and possibly a talk page template for cases where a history merge isn't feabile. If you provide an example we can evaluate the possibilities.--Commander Keane (talk) 04:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see Talk:Puppet Master (franchise)  • S • C  • A • R  • C • E •   06:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I will be using copied  • S • C  • A • R  • C • E •   01:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

What to do to remove wrong interlanguage links permanently?
In Bishop (disambiguation), there used to be the senseless interlanguage link it:Alfiere (this is the translation for the bishop in chess, but no other meaning). How can you get rid of that without any random bot restoring it the next day? --KnightMove (talk) 06:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * it:Alfiere looks like a disambiguation page on it.wp, I don't see the problem. There is some documentation to stop an interwiki bot adding links though.--Commander Keane (talk) 07:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm baffled why you feel so certain it's not a disambiguation page. I don't know Italian but it has the same structure as English disambiguation pages, it starts "Questa è una pagina di disambiguazione", and it's in "Categoria: Disambigua". One of the links is to it:Alfiere (scacchi) which is obviously Bishop (chess) and has interlanguage links with that. I have reverted your latest removal of the interlanguage link from Bishop (disambiguation). PrimeHunter (talk) 10:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been misunderstood. Of course it is a disambiguation page, but not an appropriate one to be linked from Bishop (disambiguation). Alfiere is the translation for bishop in the meaning of a chess spiece, and only for that. A bishop usually is a cleric, but may also be a family name, a tank etc. An Alfiere usually is a standard bearer, but may also be a Marvel character etc. ... but these facts have nothing to do with each other. --KnightMove (talk) 20:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, the Marvel character linked from it:Alfiere is it:Alfiere (fumetto) which has a correct interlanguage link to Bishop (comics). So both blue links at it:Alfiere are called bishop in English. It looks like an appropriate interlanguage link to me. You cannot expect a perfect match between everything in two languages, and you cannot expect other Wikipedia languages to have as many articles as English. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, then I was wrong about this specific detail. However, the basic meaning of bishop clearly is the cleric (which is why this is the main article for the term), and its Italian translation is Vescovo, while the basic meaning of alfiere is standard-bearer. If a secondary and tertiary meaning match, this doesn't make this identification right. --KnightMove (talk) 04:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Type in my language(Oriya/Odia)
I have a new account for editors in Wikipedia. I am a native of Orissa/Odisha state of India. My mother language is Oriya/Odia. Though I understand English, I prefer to edit the pages of my interest in my language. But the problem is that the font is not seen even the existing pages in my language are not seen. So I request the authorities of Wikipedia to kindly take it seriously, because it is the language of not only mine but also of a vast population of about 40 million people. My regards Shisir —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shisir 1945 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It is probably an operating system issue. At that Wikipedia's Main page it says:
 * "Can't see the text? Download this font if you have a Mozilla browser or this one for IE."
 * It works for me after I downloaded the font, found the two .ttf files and placed them in the fonts folder (in control panel), but that is for Windows XP and Mozilla Firefox. It is a beautiful script by the way :-) --Commander Keane (talk) 07:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

HTTP headers of project
Hi, I think, Wikipedia(Wikimedia) HTTP header's don't true:

HEAD http://wikipedia.org/ 403 Forbidden Connection: close Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:42:43 GMT Server: squid/2.7.STABLE6 Content-Length: 59281 Content-Type: text/html Client-Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:42:43 GMT Client-Peer: 208.80.152.2:80 Client-Response-Num: 1 X-Squid-Error: ERR_ACCESS_DENIED 0

HEAD http://en.wikipedia.org/ 403 Forbidden Connection: close Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:42:39 GMT Server: squid/2.7.STABLE6 Content-Length: 59655 Content-Type: text/html Client-Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:42:39 GMT Client-Peer: 91.198.174.2:80 Client-Response-Num: 1 X-Squid-Error: ERR_ACCESS_DENIED 0

HEAD http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page 403 Forbidden Connection: close Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:45:52 GMT Server: squid/2.7.STABLE6 Content-Length: 60482 Content-Type: text/html Client-Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:45:52 GMT Client-Peer: 91.198.174.2:80 Client-Response-Num: 1 X-Squid-Error: ERR_ACCESS_DENIED 0

I think, 403 forbidden of HTTP headers in any page of this project, is very bad, and, it's don't true of RFC for webservers. When use overs HTTP-revers proxy servers, not Squid (f.e. Nginx, Lighthttpd) HTTP server may take for web-client correct HTTP headers. May be, it's need to fix?

Thank you. SHaggY caT (talk) 10:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * For helpers, it is easier to read the above as a diff. SHaggY caT, are you using a browser or some other program to access Wikipedia? How can we reproduce the problem?

Do you may help me: ask, how i may talk to admins of over __tech__(not helpdesk) specialist :)? To reproduce problem, you may use anybody software to watch http headers, I use perl-package with utilite HEAD:

[shaggycat@shaggycat-desktop ~]$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/HEAD perl-libwww-perl-5.825-2.fc11.noarch [shaggycat@shaggycat-desktop ~]$

Problem reproduce from three different AS systems (at my home, home ISP provider, at some servers from my work(two different Russian AS), and in data-center of our clients in Europe, third AS).

I don't have troubles for see wikipedia site, but, i think, open project, wikipedia, need have services from all world standart, becouse use RFC for configurate servers is true, and, use true fix bugs. I think, it's globally bug from project. SHaggY caT (talk) 22:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Since this is a technical question you could ask at Village pump (technical) or the Wikitech-l mailing list. Perhaps perl is blocked from Wikipedia, to stop screen scrapers making too many requests. You could fix it by making perl identify itself with a unique ID in its header.--Commander Keane (talk) 23:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Article "The Warning (Animorphs)"
Should the first two sentence of the first section be actually considered written in a bad kind of tone?--Mikespedia (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The article seems to take an in-universe perspective there. See Manual of Style (writing about fiction). --Teratornis (talk) 20:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

removal of error pages
Hi. I am new here as of Aug.28th 2009 and have made a WHOLE lot of errors the first week I am sad to say. I had an article deleted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Ohlsen-Artist_featured_in_the_Bor%C3%A5s_Tidning)(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Ohlsen)I was removed from "List of Canadian artist" and "List of swedish painters" as well as having some pictures in my gallery deleted due to improper uploading. I have no problem with this at all. I get it now. What I am wondering about, is how to remove those error info pages, so that when someone searches my name on google, those will not come up. As it is right now, one would assume I was the biggest idiot on the planet if they search me ( and that is information I don't want to get around! ha!ha! Little joke) Seriously, is there a way to do that? Any help you can give me would be great. I was going to go to the log on the enties in question and click undo, but I thought I should get advice first as, so far, my instincts on EVERYTHING here have proven wrong. Thank you in advance.--148.160.191.61 (talk) 13:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We have no control over what Google indexes. Because Google indexed the article in question, you will have to wait until Google un-indexes the article (if it can do such a thing). Google cannot directly remove webpages from its results either. Xenon54 / talk / 14:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As Xenon54 says, the Google index is not connected to Wikipedia! Google reindexes regularly, so those edits will disappear from Google in a few days! As to looking like the biggest idiot on the planet, I'd have to say that you would have plenty of competition on Wikipedia - even I would fall into that category some weeks! Don't worry about it. Clicking on undo would prevent the mistakes from appearing on the Google index, but it'll take a few days for it to show up! --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 20:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Deleted Wikipedia pages like Jackie Ohlsen and Jackie Ohlsen-Artist featured in the Borås Tidning will automatically disappear from Google after a while. Articles for deletion/Jackie Ohlsen-Artist featured in the Borås Tidning will not show up in Google. Our robots.txt at http://en.wikipedia.org/robots.txt tells Google and other search engines to not index discussions at Articles for deletion. If you don't want your user page or user talk page here or at Commons to show up in Google then you can place NOINDEX on it (it may take some days before Google discovers this). PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

A website wiki??
So I am helping to make a game and we were interested in making a wiki page for that game. But I can't seem to figure out how and or what it is. I know there is like wiki.guildwars.com. That is what i would like to create, I went to that wiki and saw that it was defiantly a Wikipedia project but how do i get that for our group. We do have a website so we could host it easily. We are just curious and want to be able to keep up with the current trends in online information for our game we are working on. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.112.196 (talk) 14:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That is not a website associated with Wikipedia, but it is using MediaWiki, the software that is used on Wikipedia. See the MediaWiki site, which will give you all the information you need on this. However, you cannot make such a page here on Wikipedia (see what wikipedia is not). ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (e/c) Please note that "Wikipedia" and "wiki" are not one and the same. A wiki is a type of website that can be edited by anyone. Wikipedia is only one wiki, and while it is probably the most popular one, there are thousands of other wikis, covering pretty much any topic you can think of. Wikipedia is also different than MediaWiki, the software that actually runs Wikipedia. On to your question: it is possible to create a wiki for your specific game. You can easily install MediaWiki onto your web server and host it alongside your website. But this is outside the realm of Wikipedia's helpdesk - we are here to answer questions about Wikipedia. You should visit the official MediaWiki website at http://www.mediawiki.org. Xenon54 / talk / 14:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And see:
 * wikiindex:Category:Games - lots of existing wikis about games, maybe you could use one
 * Starting and Running a Wiki Website - if you really want to create your own
 * --Teratornis (talk) 20:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Help moving article
I was told to post a note at the help desk asking for assistance to move this page live. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bigmamainthemud/Paul_Avgerinos#Overview

I hope that this is the right place to post this. Thank you for your assistance.

Brendan and Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigmamainthemud (talk • contribs) 15:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not ready to go live at the moment. I'll fix the formatting of the references, then we can see with what we have to work.  hmwith  t   20:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The article currently does not seem to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. How does the article meet the criteria for musicians and ensembles listed at WP:MUSICBIO?  hmwith  t   20:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * As others have said, it is not ready into article space yet. As a basic rule, there are two main criteria for musicians to be on Wikipedia - (1) they should have charted in one of the main charts (e.g. UK Top 100, Billboard) (2) they should have significant coverage in reliable third-party sources - all of your sources seem to be from the same place. I would suggest leaving it in your user space, and continue working on it, bearing in mind Notability and Notability (music). If you need any more help, feel free to post more questions here. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 20:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Also please note that your username appears to be being used by more than one individual. That is not permitted by the user name policy. – ukexpat (talk) 14:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

2009 calender?
--173.29.153.50 (talk) 15:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume you're asking for a 2009 calendar, which can be found at 2009. Or, if you know which month you want, you can go directly to it at, for example, September 2009. This is the same for every year that has an article on Wikipedia. Xenon54 / talk / 15:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

law library schedule?
--173.29.153.50 (talk) 15:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Deor (talk) 15:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Further to Deor's answer, not only did you presumably find an article on your college/university's website - I would suggest that you look on that website, and look for either the information you are looking for, or an e-mail address that you can address your query to. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 20:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Show/Hide in table cells?
Any help appreciated. Thank you. JAStewart (talk) 15:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You could insert a collapsible table in the cell, but you would still have the show link. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not too worried about it saying "Show/Hide". How do I do it? JAStewart (talk) 17:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The simplest way is to use hidden since it incorporates the CSS and makes it easier for other editors. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

linking to wikipedia articles from a paid IPhone application
Hi, I'm currently developing an IPhone application (which will be sold for around 1.99$). I want to link some parts of my application to Wikipedia content and was wondering if this is allowed by your terms of use?

Thanks, Amit On —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amiton (talk • contribs) 17:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Check out Terms of use for a full explanation.  hmwith  t   20:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Specifically, look at Information for re-users on the Terms of Use. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 20:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Refactoring
Hi, Whom should it be reported if I observe a user refactoring the talk (discussion) pages of other users? The same user is also found creating and editing user pages of other users. Can this be called vandalism? Sarvagyana guru (talk) 19:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The user needs to be sufficiently warned. Usually a warning or two is enough to deter most IP vandals. In this case, you need to leave the warnings on their talkpage (which begins with "User talk:"). Start with uw-tpv2, then continue warning if they continue vandalizing. If they do not stop after a last (level 4) warning, they can be reported to WP:AIV as a vandal. Xenon54 / talk / 19:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

heart disease
what is occlusive coronary atherosclerotic ?


 * [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail 19:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer. Contact your General Practitioner. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 20:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

article about myself
How can I contribute an article about myself on wikipedia?

One of my articles, The Origins of the Partition of India 1936-1947, already appears in Wikipedia. I would now like to write a full article about myself.

Look forward to hearing from you,

Anita Inder Singh (D.Phil, Oxon) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.241.53 (talk) 20:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged. However, there are ways to get an article created if you meet our notability guidelines. Please read Autobiography.  hmwith  t   21:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)