Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 April 2

= April 2 =

Search
Why can't I locate my created page by the "search" method? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.221.244 (talk) 00:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It takes a while for the pages to be indexed. It's the same for search engines like Google. They have to have a spidering program explore what's new and index it in order for it to become searchable. It can take a few days or even longer. Be patient.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * User 75.2.221.244, you did not create any new page. In case you are referring to Marriage in South Korea which you edited, just click on the link and you'll be taken to the page. Cheers,   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  09:43, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Users often come here not logged in and ask about articles they created while logged in. It would seem unlikely this question is related to Marriage in South Korea, as that article has been searchable since 2007, and the manner of the question implies an understanding of the distinction between the go button and searching.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure Fuhghettaboutit, I should've kept that in mind.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  13:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear user 75.2.221.244, would you be able to write the name of the article you created out here? By the time you write it, it might well have been listed and searchable too...   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  13:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Scientology case?
Jimbo mentioned a landmark case regarding an apparent ArbCom decision on Scientology. Can someone please provide me some links so I can find out more about this case? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:39, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Requests for arbitration/Scientology. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:44, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

blackbox vs smoke test
could you distinguish the difference between blackbox testing and smoke testing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.12.116.244 (talk) 02:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in more general questions like these. --The High Fin Sperm Whale 02:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You might find the following links helpful. Black-box testing, Software testing and Smoke testing. Please do remember, articles on Wikipedia are editable and need not necessarily be reliable. Warm regards.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  09:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Inappropriate Userboxes
Content restrictions All userboxes are governed by the civility policy. Userboxes must not include incivility or personal attacks. Userboxes must not be inflammatory or divisive. Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind, commercial, political, religious, or otherwise, opinion pieces on current affairs or politics, self-promotion, or advertising. What Should i do If i find one i believe Violates this policy? Weaponbb7 (talk) 02:44, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You can nominate it for deletion according to the process laid out on this page. In extreme cases, speedy deletion criterion G10 may apply. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 03:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That page says not to and to instead go to Miscellany for deletion. Cptnono (talk) 03:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that too. My bad. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 03:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

yeah i did it at Mis and screwed it up! could someone Fix it? i have tried twice! Weaponbb7 (talk)`
 * Actually I think lots of UBXs have opinions about current affairs or politics.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * What's the page that you believe violates policy? Unless you mention the page out here, there's no way anyone can help you as what you've nominated for deletion on Miscellany for deletion doesn't exist. My suggestion, if you're unsure of how to nominate, just leave a note out here. I or any other project helper would assist you in doing that (although it might not mean I agree with your viewpoint of nominating any particular page for deletion). Warm regards.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  04:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The page is Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Cush/Userbox/NoReligion, which was created an hour before your comment. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. I see it's been already put properly... Thanks for the note.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  13:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The page for the 2009-10 stanford cardinal women's college basketball team needs editing.
1. The list of played/scheduled games is out of place as the Pac-10 tournament is listed AFTER the games listed for the NCAA Tournament (The Pac-10 tournament happened BEFORE the NCAA Tournament.

2. The schedule completely OMITS all 3 games that stanford played from the Pac-10 Tournament.

3. This error causes the win total listed in the schedule to SKIP from 28 to 31 Holdenpi (talk) 04:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)holdenpiHoldenpi (talk) 04:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You are the best person in the world to fix this. That's because you noticed the problem.  100% of Wikipedia was created by people who are no different than you in this regard.  If you are uncomfortable editing the article in question, then the correct place to bring this up is on the discussion page of the article in question.  Go to the article, select the discussion tab, and leave your corrections there.  -- Jayron  32  05:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Holdenpi, the page you refer to apparently does not exist by the name you refer to. Is it possible for you to leave a note giving the exact title of the page you're referring to? That would help attract editors, like me, to correct some of the mistakes. Cheers.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  09:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 2009–10 Stanford Cardinal women's basketball team. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  13:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Holdenpi, I have left a note on the talk page of the article. I have also tagged the article and will be watching it. Will make improvements. Please feel free to edit the article yourself too. Warm regards.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  13:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Music
Are the Starlight Vocal Band (Afternoon Delight) and the Starland Vocal Band one and the same. Wikipedia uses both names interchangeably. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HanisiNana (talk • contribs) 07:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there might have been other bands with similar names. But the singles Afternoon Delight was sung by a notable band called Starland Vocal Band. Incidentally, in my opinion, it was their best song. You could click on Starland Vocal Band for information on the band. The Starlight Vocal Band is most probably another band. But other editors could give more views.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  09:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A Google search for "Starlight Vocal Band" +site:en.wikipedia.org does not return any hits. Where did you see the name on WP? Deor (talk) 13:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Starland Vocal Band only...  Kubek15  write / sign 17:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Error in locked article
Hello, I've spent quite a while looking for contact info for the right place to send this. I was reading the article for Fred Phelps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Lawsuit_against_Westboro_Baptist_Church and under the lawsuit section, it says that Matthew Snyder died in a helicopter crash. I have read several other sources (including quotes from M. Snyder's father) that say he was the gunner on top of a Humvee when it rolled and killed him. http://www.ydr.com/vets/ci_7555437 is one source. A google search for "helicopter" + matthew snyder on google only lists wikipedia as the source. Most articles say that he died in a "vehicle crash". I believe the wikipedia article cause of death is incorrect. I am not webpage savvy enough to navigate through the help pages to fix it myself (I don't have 10 posts or whatever I need). Please direct this request to the proper person/people. Thanks. 07:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)07:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)07:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)07:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)Leahneuhauser (talk)
 * I'll post a note on the talk page of the article wrt this request of yours. I'll also see what can be done on that. Regards.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  07:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For now, I've changed the information using a Los Angeles Times news source, which does say the individual died in combat. But do remember, as long as reliable sources exist, established editors working on that page are free to add information about the individual. And you're free to keep reporting here any information you might feel is not verifiable or supported with reliable sources, in case you do not get response from the editors after discussing the issue with them on the article's talk page. Regards.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  08:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * If an article is protected and you want something added, you can post your suggested edit on the talk page, as noted above, and then place the template editprotected or editsemiprotected (depending on its level of protection) above your post on the talk page to call users to review and take action.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Version 1.0 Editorial Team index/statistics for our WikiProject?
Hi, I'm trying to set up an importance index for Wikipedia essays. We have 800 essays tagged as Top- High- Mid- or Low- importance. We have the subcategories for each, under the parent Category:Wikipedia essays by importance. However, when I ran the WP 1.0 bot at, the output was as follows:

What am I doing wrong/missing? What I want is for an index of articles by importance to exist at Essay Categorization and/or Classification/Assessment/Statistics. Thanks for your help. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 08:27, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you wish to leave a note about this at Village pump (technical)? Responses would be more specific out there. Best.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  09:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, got it taken care of (not with this question, but through another) over at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team. Help request withdrawn. Thanks for responding, though! ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 13:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Editing football players appearances and goals
I have asked this before.I am changing the pcupdate but it still is one hour behind. How can i get it right? I sent this message at 10:58 so it will most likely say 09:58. Gobbleswoggler (talk) 09:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And you have been answered before here. Do please mention whether it is extremely critical for you to get the exact time as per local time? You could visit Special:Preferences and change your Date and Time preferences to suit your location. You could also visit WP:Time to understand one project related to time templates (although I suspect you might find the first preference better than the second one). Feel free to clarify further out here.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  10:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You don't need to use five tildes. You can manually specify the update time if you wish. however, Wifione is correct that this is a problem with your user preferences. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Your edits like say   and this is correct. Note both the parameter assignment and the displayed infobox includes "UTC" which means UTC time, and it is UTC time. If you changed it by an hour then it would no longer be UTC time and it would be false to include "UTC" in the edit. Wikipedia uses UTC time and the same time is displayed for all readers (except in some places if they set preferences) so it would be confusing if times were given in the time zone of whichever editor last edited it. Please don't change from UTC to your local time zone when you save edits in Wikipedia. Signatures should also be given in UTC time and your above signature correctly says it is UTC time. At Special:Preferences under the "Date and time" and "Gadgets" tabs are some possibilities for changing which time zone you see when you are logged in but this only affects yourself. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:30, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Font size too small
The text size is too small for the entire Wikipedia site. I have searched the help archives, but was not able to find a solution. My text size is already set at 100%. If I change the encoding for the page to non-European/non-Unicode I have normal size text again. This only helps for the current page as it automatically goes back to tiny text when I navigate to another page, even though I have Encoding-> Auto Select unchecked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.95.80.253 (talk) 12:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Which browser and operating system might you be using? Regards.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  13:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You didn't say which browser you have but "100%" sounds like a zoom function and not a text size function. Does it help to hold down Ctrl and press the + key, possibly on the numeric keypad? Or to hold down Ctrl and scroll the mouse wheel up? If not then try to clear your entire cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

How do I make an indented list without bullets or numbers?
If I wanted to make a list like this: How could I do it without using bullets or numbers? To appear about six spaces in from the left margin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saltwood (talk • contribs) 14:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Apple
 * 2) Orange
 * 3) Mango


 * A simple possiblity is to indent lines by placing one or more colons at the start.
 * One colon here.
 * Two here.
 * Another possibility is to put the whole text in a table. What do you want to use it for? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK thanks, I thought a colon only indented by one space, but that works. Saltwood (talk) 14:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest Help Needed
As National Marketing Director, I have a clear conflict of interest on the subject of water. How can I request some updates and have a neutral party incorporate the needed changes?

Water is a huge subject - very complicated and the portal of communication is clearly Wikipedia. I don't wish to violate the Wikipedia rules and be overly promotional and yet there is new technology that needs to be defined and explained.

I can include the new terms and the registered trademarks out on our website but I need your guidance. I believe you need a specific link or URL? We can provide that. I did provide the URL for the USPTO registration of Low Level Ozone Technology and the website addresses of who is using our technology. Oh, I left out San Jamar which is www.sanjamar.com - they also license our new technology.

I am new and have not yet issued any news releases - I am starting at the top with you. I need your rules so I can best accomodate getting the right information out on the Internet.

Can someone please guide me? Was the talk page appropriate? Formatting? Please help me lend assistance.

Sincerely, Kelly Engaldo

PS Also clean is not sanitized - I didn't review this out on Wikipedia - another important topic of concern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KEngaldo (talk • contribs) 14:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The best place to bring this up is on the "talk page" of the relevent articles you have concerns about or additional information for. When you are reading the article in question, select the "discussion" tab, and then start a new topic and raise your specific concerns.  It may take a day or two for someone to respond, depending on how many people are active in maintaining the pages in question.  If you need any additional help, please feel free to ask here, or possibly at Requests for feedback if you have a significant proposed change you want reviewed.  You can also contact me at my user talk page, and I will see what I can do to help out.  -- Jayron  32  14:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Concerned about possible edit warring
has stated he/she feels that I am engaging in edit warring on an IP talk page, and have violated the 3RR (See at my talk page). What would the best course of action be? I have not used my rollback rights in this case. Immunize (talk) 15:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Checking in here. If I recall correctly, Help Desk isn't Dispute Resolution, but it might as well continue here. I generally edit as my IP (currently User:24.205.46.147), as I prefer it due to the lack of drama (though after this incident I may start logging in more often!). I made a minor edit ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Know+the+Ledge&diff=353551795&oldid=344937535 ), bringing an article in line with the MoS (see:WP:Censor). I was reverted by Cluebot. I view this as a false positive. I then proceeded to remove the warning. User:Immunize stepped in and reverted the removal of the warning. What followed was a total of 4 reverts by User:Immunize and one by User:Rfl. I feel this breaks WP:3RR. I finally decided to log in to perform the revert. Sure enough, I was not reverted. I feel that I was harassed unduly. I don't really want to go to arbitration/whatever over something that, in the larger scheme of things, is small, but I do want to make sure that User:Immunize understands why this is inappropriate. (At least, I see it as inappropriate; it's entirely possible that I'm wrong, and IP users are guilty until proven innocent. No ill will is meant in this, I simply feel that you (speaking to User:Immunize here) didn't think carefully before repeatedly reverting me on my own talk page.)Riffraffselbow (talk) 15:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Users are allowed to remove warnings from their own talkpages according to the Userpage guideline, whether the warning is legitimately for vandalism or not. In this case, it looks to me like a false positive from Cluebot. Perhaps some of the edit summaries used by User:24.205.46.147 weren't the most helpful, but it looks like he or she hasn't done anything wrong here. I don't think dispute resolution is needed here, but would second what Graham Colm said at User talk:Immunize; just apologise, learn from it and move on.-- Beloved Freak  15:45, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I apologize. I was not aware that users were allowed to remove warnings from their own user talk pages. My feeling that the edits were not legitimate was encouraged by two things-the edit summaries left by the IP in question, and the fact that another user also reverted. Immunize (talk) 19:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't quite understand your position in all of this. This helped me understand it better. Thank you very much. I'm sorry if my edit summaries tended toward the silly; I was annoyed by Cluebot, and figured nobody would ever read them (who knew there are some brave souls watching the Recent Changes: User Talk page?).Riffraffselbow (talk) 07:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

school basketball
what is the regulation size for a high school basketball court? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.226.145 (talk) 15:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, I believe the answer may be at Basketball court. If this doesn't help, you might try the reference desk where someone may know. This help desk is just for questions about using Wikipedia. People hang out at the reference desk waiting to answer general knowledge questions. Regards, -- Beloved Freak  15:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

soccer vandalism
Should soccer vandalism have a specific template, looking at Sporting Benfica page today it seems to have a problem with soccer vandalism. Kieranian2001 (talk) 16:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Warning templates can be seen at Template messages/User talk namespace. They are independent of the subject of the vandalized page. There are no templates specific to vandalism of soccer articles and I don't see a reason to make such a template. Many warning templates can link to the vandalised article and include a message written by the editor giving the warning. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Paolo nutini vandalism
I just wanted to know what i could do about this. A editor (not a user just got a code as a name) did an edit by calling Paolo Nutini a homosexual. I just wanted to know what i could do about this person who put this as I'm not an administrator and can't take action. Gobbleswoggler (talk) 16:46, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You should issue a warning for each bad edit that the IP makes, you can do this by adding Uw-v1 through to Uw-v4 for a final warning on the IP's talk page, if vandalism continues past the final warning given they can be reported at Administrator intervention against vandalism and they'll be blocked by an Administrator if necessary. Though the edit in question has already been reverted by another user. See also: Vandalism. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 17:04, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Adminship
I just wondered what i could do as i really want to be an administrator but people keep denying me it.If you look at my contributions i do alot of edits a day and I'm a bit confused.Could somebody help me? Gobbleswoggler (talk) 17:40, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if i were you i would read this again!..........4000 edits is just not enough see here ....I have 18,371 see here and still dont think i am ready for Adminship...I would say edit and try again in a year!! The strees that admin in under is great and most will want to see if you can handle criticism and aggressive editors (Can you smooth things out .or not!) Moxy (talk) 17:44, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It is not quantity, but quality. What have you done that would make the community trust you with the admin tools? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 18:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do you want to be an administrator? --Teratornis (talk) 19:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

tank wars,bomb
how do i download game —Preceding unsigned comment added by Callanoaks (talk • contribs) 17:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * This is not realy the place to ask this ---but look here -->Download Tank Wars 1.0 Now,,,,,,,,,,,Moxy (talk) 18:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

"Sysops" and "Crats"
Discussion intially started at Wikipedia talk:User access levels

On a friend's wiki, she found that if you made a non-admin a 'crat, they didn't inherit the admin properties - they couldn't block users, delete pages or protect pages. I don't know what version of MediaWiki they are using, but are you sure that enwiki 'crats would have the admin rights as well? I know no one's ever been a 'crat without being an admin, but I was just curious. -- Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 07:43, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have done some tests on my own wiki I set up today and crats alone (without admin bit) can't delete pages or block users, however if the rights are changed in the LocalSettings.php then Crats can be given those rights, could someone do a experiment(test) on wikipedia and report back here - maybe someone could create a test account and only add crat rights. Please leave your reports in the relevent sections below. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #DAA520	">Paul 23 87 10:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The answer lies at Special:ListGroupRights. You will see that 'crats do not automatically get sysop rights, but they receive the right to +sysop themselves anyway so it hardly matters. - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 18:32, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have never heard of anyone who would do a RfB before a RfA, so to +sysop themselves would be pointless as this is given through an RfA. You would normally get the Sysop Flag before you receive your Crat one, all RfB candidates I know of all had Sysop rights beforehand so getting Crat rights before Sysop seems impossible. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #DAA520	">Paul 23 87  18:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's prohibited (de facto or de jure, I don't know) here on en.wp, but the factual answer is that you don't need to be an admin to be a 'crat. - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 19:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Higher res version of image doesn't seem to exist
Hi, I'm trying to find a higher res image for: (not for commercial use, just personal) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jett_Rocks.jpg the user who uploaded it seems not to be on wikipedia anymore. Anyone have any advice? thanks! Lynn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.171.1.5 (talk) 18:30, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe a TinEye search? – ukexpat (talk) 20:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

My watchlist
Currently my watchlist only shows the single latest change of every page I'm watching. Thus, knowing I have 10 pages on my watchlist, it never shows more than 10 edits. And they change fairly often because the pages I'm watching are being actively edited. How can I fix my watchlist? Thanks. --Магьосник (talk) 19:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to My preferences in the top right corner of this screen ,,then select tab Watch list...there you can change things up!!..You will what to select the box name Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent............Moxy (talk) 19:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Admin Self unblocking
What should be done about Sysop's being able to unblock themselves when they've been blocked, currently if an Sysop gets blocked they can unblock themselves via Special:Block which is clearly a violation of their block that was placed in the first place. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #DAA520	">Paul 23 87  20:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Is it a practical problem or merely theoretical? How may sysops actually get blocked and how many of them unblock themselves? If it really is a problem, the only fix would be a software change to prevent it. – ukexpat (talk) 20:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you have a specific example of an admin that has unblocked themselves? If you do, you should bring it up at WP:ANI.  If you are speaking just in the hypothetical, then I think it would depend on the situation.  We would need to know more details before giving any specifics, and if there is a specific, detailed situation that needs discussion, then ANI is the place to have it.  -- Jayron  32  02:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I wish that blocked admins were unable to unblock themselves; if that were the case, the Robdurbar incident wouldn't have been anywhere near as much of a problem. Nyttend (talk) 00:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Any other stuff I should show this editor?
Hi there. I've responded to User:Gobbleswoggler | here showing him what paths he can take to be able to submit a vaild WP:RFA, showing stuff like WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. For this reason, I'd like to know if I've forgotten anything there. The only process I can think of now that I did not list there and is not known by him is WP:RFC. Any more things I should add? Buggie111 (talk) 20:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * WP:DOOMEDTOFAILURE? – ukexpat (talk) 20:23, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha. Very funny. Seriously, I'd like to help him. Anything else? Buggie111 (talk) 20:27, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't read your advice in detail but did you mention Guide to requests for adminship? – ukexpat (talk) 20:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Anything else, or should I paste that and RFC in? Buggie111 (talk) 20:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Depends what you are trying to do - show what tools admins have and what they do with them or show what criteria are usually considered in an RFA. The lead in to WP:RFA has some good links. – ukexpat (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Dead link?
Please let me know if the "official site" in the external links section of Barkley, Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden works for you. I flagged it as a dead link but anon IPs keep removing the tag. Am I being trolled or is there some other reason why that site does not come up for me? The Hero of This Nation (talk) 20:41, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Undead for me. – ukexpat (talk) 20:43, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What browser are you using. Mine's been shot to pieces in IE7. Buggie111 (talk) 20:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm using Firefox 3.6. I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean by "Mine's been shot to pieces." The Hero of This Nation (talk) 21:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant that it's dead. sorry. Wonder which one Ukexpat was using? Buggie111 (talk) 21:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * This one: http://www.talesofgames.com/barkley/ - works in FF 3.6.3, Google Chrome 3.0.356, Opera 10.51, Safari 4.0.5 and IE 6.0.2900. – ukexpat (talk) 21:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Newbie needs help
has created a couple of incomprehensible articles, one of which he re-created several times after it was deleted. I've blocked him for 12h to get his attention and hopefully start some sort of dialogue. He needs someone from the department of helping clueless newbies, if you could point a suitable candidate his way. Guy (Help!) 20:53, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe you should suggest adoption? – ukexpat (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

search for cleanup tag
I've been cleaning up some articles that had a cleanup tag or need citations tag. The ones I found I browsed to myself, but is there anyway I can search for articles that have the tags by a certain parameter.... For example, can I search for rivers with tags or articles with tags that belong in the Texas portal?Bgwhite (talk) 21:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Category:All pages needing cleanup. And maybe the category intersection tool would be of use: http://toolserver.org/~dschwen/intersection


 * You seem to be looking for the union of two or more categories. Unfortunately, that feature is not yet supported natively on the MediaWiki software. There is a toolserver tool (here) that may be of use to you. Be aware that some results may be slightly off due to miscategorization. <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  21:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Issue on Military uniform
In the article's "see also" section, i see the words "RC_KESHA" assuming it to be vandalism, I checked the log (nothing) and tried to edit it out. With no luck finding it, i kept looking and it appears it is being caused by the {{columns-list|3| tag, but I have no idea how to fix it. Sephiroth storm (talk) 21:46, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've reverted several edits of a vandalistic nature that had been made to the template {{tl|columns-list}}. I have also filed a request for protection, as that template is used on a fairly large number of pages. <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  22:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

question
I was upset to see that JG productions inc article was taken away and the user was blocked. Why can't we have a page on JG productions inc?

thanks, ppi80 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.204.91 (talk) 21:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. Ppi802 created JG productions inc. Since you are signing as "pp180" (though not logged in) the closeness of your name leads me to suspect that you are or are affiliated with the user who created the entry, even though you speak of that person in the third person. That account has never been blocked. The way you are speaking here, "why can't we have a page" does raise a specter of a role account, which is not allowed. I know "we" can be used as a manner of speaking in its universal sense. I just thought you should be aware. Because of the name issue and the nature of your post, you should also be aware of our conflict of interest guidelines. There are many problems with the page as it was posted. It was actually deleted under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion as an article on a corporation which did not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. After reviewing the deleted page, I agree with its deletion on that basis. A note about this was left on Ppi802's talk page, which you might want to review. There were other problems with the entry. It was extremely short and uninformative and might have been deleted as an article with insufficient context for readers. If it is expanded in a new entry, please also be aware that pages should not read like advertisements but should strive for a neutral tone and may be speedily deleted as well if they are blatantly promotional. Though not speedy deletion bases, articles must ultimately demonstrate notability by showing they have been the subject of substantive treatment in independent, reliable sources. You might want to look at business FAQ and Why was my page deleted? which expands on many of the things I have said. Finally, note that the name of the article as posted was not as it should be. It was not capitalized nor punctuated in a normal fashion and we don't title articles with corporate designations such as "Inc." --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Saved changes deleted
Hello, This morning I began re-writing the article titles "STV Black Jack". I was nearly finished at around 23:30 GMT when the page suddenly re-loaded and had reverted to the almost bare page I started with earlier that day. I have saved the changes to the page several times today, so I can't figure out why this happened. At the same time as the old page reappeared to me, it came with a link saying I had received a message on wikipedia. Maybe these are connected and you are not allowed to edit so much on the first day of having an account? I would like to have the article restored. Please let me know how to get it back. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teenie82 (talk • contribs) 22:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There are no restrictions on editing on your first day. However, there are restrictions on what kind of external links you may include (see your talk page). An automated script reverted your edits, most likely because of external links you added to YouTube; generally, Wikipedia discourages linking to YouTube. Otherwise, your contributions are welcome. As you seem to have reverted the bot, which will not re-revert, there is nothing more to do here except improve the article. You may be interested in perusing WP:HTEAP, WP:TONE, WP:EL and WP:CITE. Thank you for your contributions. <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  23:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)