Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 April 4

= April 4 =

Picture showing up in wrong section?
St. Patrick's Catholic Church (Glynwood, Ohio) is composed of an intro, three content sections, and a references section. Some days ago, I added a picture to the second content section between the header and the text, but it inexplicably appears after the references section. It appears below the infobox, but that's not the problem — the infobox is on the right side of the page, but the picture is on the left. What's more, all of the edit-section links appear next to each other just to the right of the picture. Any idea what's going wrong? Nyttend (talk) 00:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Our old friend WP:BUNCH. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 00:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It was due to the commonscat template being placed above the left-floated image. I've moved it and the images now seem to float correctly. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 00:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks; I normally put the commonscat where I'm supposed to, so I didn't think to check that. Nyttend (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merger has been completed --> delete the article
The Waterloo Middle School article has been merged into Waterloo Central School District, which is the consensus of its proposed deletion discussion, which ended on 11 March 2010. Can an admin please delete the Waterloo Middle School article. Truthanado (talk) 00:53, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Completed. Nyttend (talk) 00:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response on my talk page. I guess I need a wikibreak from too much patrolling, I should have known I should just redirect the article. Truthanado (talk) 01:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Ribbons
I keep trying to award people ribbons, but all I get is a standard Template:xRibbon in red. What is the proper format for giving a ribbon?


 * You mean from WP:Ribbons? They are image files so standard image formatting should work:
 * [[File:Dilbarn rib.png]]
 * renders as
 * [[File:Dilbarn rib.png]]  – ukexpat (talk) 02:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * That's great! Thanks! Do you know how to modify the size parameter too? The files are large!


 * Image linking is explained at WP:IMAGE but briefly you add a size parameter with a pipe:
 * Dilbarn rib.png gives Dilbarn rib.png. – ukexpat (talk) 03:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

WikepediaLiberia
How do I create WikepediaLiberia so that Liberians from all around the world would research and rewrite Liberian history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lihede (talk • contribs) 02:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There already is a Liberia WikiProject at WikiProject Liberia. Is that what you were looking for? – ukexpat (talk) 02:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you want but note that the English Wikipedia here at http://en.wikipedia.org is the Wikipedia version for all articles written in the English language, regardless of the topic. English is apparently the official language of Liberia. You can find many Liberia-related articles by navigating from Category:Liberia. There is no "Liberian Wikipedia" because Liberia is a country and not a language. Countries don't get their own Wikipedia. The German Wikipedia is for all articles written in German and not restricted to articles about Germany, and similar for all others in List of Wikipedias. I'm also unsure what you mean by "rewrite" Liberian history. Wikipedia has articles with a neutral point of view based on published reliable and verifiable sources. If you think Liberian history is generally described incorrectly in the type of published sources that are usually trusted and you want to correct a great historical "wrong" by changing the published history to what you consider to be right then Wikipedia is not the place to rewrite history in its usual meaning. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Moving images
At some point in the not-too-distant past, apparently when I wasn't paying attention, it became possible to move images to new names, which is a good thing. Are there guidelines that should be followed here? Help:Moving a page doesn't seem to have much to say about it. In particular, is it a good idea to start giving images more descriptive names? Are there guidelines for filenames, or, say, the standardization of file extensions to lower-case? Should the old filenames be kept as redirects indefinitely, even after all references to the file have been changed to the new name? —Bkell (talk) 03:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no documentation on this as far as I know, and I looked in the past. The only page I know that speaks to the issue is Image file names but it is geared toward original naming, not whether once named, and long existing, we should take the step of moving. I guess surveying Category:Wikipedia files requiring renaming (placed by Rename media) will get you current practice. Most of the images in the category now appear to be because the file extension is incorrect. I personally think we should only bother with renames where the name is not helpful at all (File:09238409283094.jpg for example), or deceptive/non-neutral or to fix the file extensions, but not to find the perfect descriptive name. As for redirects, once all internal links to the image are fixed, I don't think we should keep the redirect. The main aim of redirects is so that users searching for a subject will reach the target they intend. Media files are outside that whole navigation area, and the only purpose I can see for keeping such redirects is so that an off-wiki link to a media file isn't broken—not something I think we should load up the encyclopedia with redirects to gird against, even if "redirects are cheap". Maybe a village pump discussion should take place?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Currently all requests fall into the categories "non-descriptive to descriptive", "incorrect to correct name" or "incorrect file extension". As such I have not deemed it necessary to have a discussion about this, but anyone is welcome to open one of course. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 14:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

partnering
what does partnering with wikipedia entail? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.215.224.86 (talk) 08:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What would you hope from a partnership? Someguy1221 (talk) 08:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You might wish to directly write to the Wikimedia Foundation. Before that, you could steal a look at what is the Wikimedia Foundation all about. Thanks.   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  18:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Football appearances and goals
Hi, I love to update footballers appearances. it does however take me forever.Is there a way to get the pages to automatically update the appearances and if so, how do you do it? Gobbleswoggler (talk) 10:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Um... programme a bot to do it?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 10:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

infobox creation
I have created an infobox following wikipedia guidelines, but something is wrong. Could anybody point out the mistake for me? Thanks --  Ashot  ( talk ) 10:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

What do you think has gone wrong? Gobbleswoggler (talk) 10:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The only mistake you made is that it's still in your userspace! ;) Of course it's not working that way.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Database Owner
Who normally has access to the Wikipedia database thus also has access to the LocalSettings.php, I would like to know as I am interested. Paul 23 87  13:01, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Editors are volunteers. Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation and their paid developers have direct database access. See Staff. If you want to point out or request something then a place to do it may be Village pump (technical) or https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ (see Bug reports and feature requests). Do you have something specific in mind? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There may also be other people with shell access who have access to some things like LocalSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * All relevant information is listed here: System_administrators, though it might be a tad out of date. Some are volunteers, some are employees of the foundation. The primary responsobility of this work is carried by the foundation's Chief Technology Officer, which is currently Danese Cooper. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 14:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Image requested tag.
What would be a suitable tag/template to add to an article which I believe would benefit greatly from the addition of relevant images ? &amp;dorno rocks. (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The template Reqphoto can be placed on the talk page of the article to request a photo for the article.  GB fan  talk 14:28, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Translation
I have created a page for MUNDP in English which also has a page in Turkish. I would like to combine them so that a person enters to one of the pages can change the language. How can I do that ?

Offspring31 (talk) 14:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Add the interlanguage link MUNDP to the bottom of the English page and Model United Nations Development Programme to the Turkish page. If the page was translated then see also what Translation says about Translated page. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * (e/c):I added interlanguage links to the pages. See diff1 and diff2. I also move the page to its full name, and added bolding to the article name. I would like to point out that you should add references to this article, or it might be deleted at some point. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 14:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I have the references but I don't know how to do it. How will I do it ?

Offspring31 (talk) 15:17, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Add after each fragment of text and at the end of article place . Kubek15 T  C  S 15:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I added some links but I want to show as titles at the bottom not the links directly and I want them to be "links" not only a writing. How I can do that ?

Offspring31 (talk) 15:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed that for you. See Referencing for beginners for more help. -- Neil N   talk to me  15:45, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Now there is 2 references to the page. How many references needed to be sure that it will not be deleted and since the page exists also in Turkish, do I need to add references to the Turkish page too ?

Offspring31 (talk) 15:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No, we don't use other Wikipedia sites or articles as references. It would help if you could find a third party source (e.g., a magazine or newspaper article) covering the conference. -- Neil N   talk to me  16:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I am asking that do I need to list the references (two links), that I listed in English site, to the Turkish page also ?

Offspring31 (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Each language Wikipedia has its own policies and styles, and we can only advise on the requirements for the English Wikipedia. If you speak Turkish, I advise you to consult their own pages on sources and referencing, or ask on their help desk.  Chzz  ►  22:47, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment
This site is completely inappropriate. The temple garments are very sacred to us. This is a really offensive site and I would like to request that you remove it. This is not something that should be discussed out of the temple. This is disrespectful and REALLY not appreciated. Please have this removed ASAP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.18.179.9 (talk) 15:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * To begin with Wikipedia is not censored. All articles that are of a notable subject should have an article on Wikipedia.  This article is about a notable subject and is well sourced.  I do not believe it will be deleted even if it is requested at the proper forum.   GB fan  talk 15:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In case you wish to discuss issues with the article, please feel free to take the same up first with editors on the article's talk page.    ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  18:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong?
Hello. I made a new signature for me: it's  Kubek15  write / sign and looks like this:  Kubek15  write / sign and everything is OK. But when I paste it in 'my preferences' in 'signature', I get 'There are problems with some of your input' and 'Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags.'. Could you tell me what is wrong and could you help me with fixing it? Thanks in advance, Kubek15 T  C  S 15:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Swap the ending and  so one is completely inside the other. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!  Kubek15  write / sign 15:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia 2010 April Fool Item
In looking up "April Fool" today, I was disappointed not to find a reference to your 2010 item re the Japanese company having transported customers to 1999 which later was taken off the news listing. I did not read the item at the time but would like to Can I access it somehow? TXS Peter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.37.177.193 (talk) 16:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * You can look at the history of Template:In the news and find the appropriate version in the history (by clicking the "History" tab at the top). In this case the version you want is probably . —Bkell (talk) 16:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * See also all related information collected here. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 18:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It was as follows.  Chzz  ►  22:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A Japanese multinational conglomerate (headquarters pictured) investigates how some of its customers were accidentally sent back in time to the year 1999.

no title
What happened to the article that Wikipedia had on R.W. Shambach? It has dissappeared from your site, and want to know why? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.185.134 (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you tell us what was the exact title of that article?  Kubek15  write / sign 17:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The article may have got deleted through any of our deletion methods. An administrator would be able to give you more details. Regards,   ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  18:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I found a deleted article called R.W. Schambach but it was very brief and only existed for 3 hours in 2007. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:54, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Also Rw schambach, deleted December 2008 "Copyright violation/self-promotion - copied from the person's official website"  Chzz  ►  22:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That page existed for 7 minutes and was a copy of http://www.schambach.org/SM/RW/Bio.aspx which still has the same content. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Image question
Can somebody clarify for me, if this type of attribution is required here? We attribute on the image page, not the article space, no?  Grsz 11  18:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It goes on the file page. –Turian  ( talk )  19:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Normally... I do believe however, that an author can specifically request this as part of his BY licensing. If we allow such images, I'm not sure, but I don't see why not. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 00:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think even if it is requested by the license, the image info page is the place for it, not the article - see WP:CREDITS. I remove these as a matter of course and have never had an issue. – ukexpat (talk) 02:42, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

2 copies of a page, older one has less info
Hi there. I created 2010 Baja California earthquake about an hour ago. Then, while scouring the New Pages section, I saw 2010 Guadalupe Victoria earthquake. It's older, but it's got less info. Should I remove the speedy, or speedy the one I created? Buggie111 (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I would keep yours. Everywhere I have seen has it as the Baja Cali earthquake. –Turian  ( talk )  00:01, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I have redirected 2010 Guadalupe Victoria earthquake to 2010 Baja California earthquake. The last version of the former is here so sources can still be merged. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC)