Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 August 14

= August 14 =

error logging in and someone appears to be using my account
User name=Clothahump

I don't log on very often. Someone on another board pointed out that a picture has been posted using my user name. Picture is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ploughmans_lunch.jpg. When I click on the link for Clothahump, I see the following: This user is currently blocked. The latest block log entry is provided below for reference:

* 22:51, 21 August 2009 Blueboy96 (talk | contribs) changed block settings for Clothahump (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation blocked) ‎ (Disruptive editing, also GFDL revocation here)

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This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

* 07:34, 21 September 2009 Closedmouth (talk | contribs) deleted "User:Clothahump" ‎ (CAT:TEMP)

Now, this is somewhat of a problem, as I have successfully logged in since September of 2009. Any suggestions?

You can contact me at

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.130.227.26 (talk) 00:48, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If someone is using your account I suggest you change your password! -- &oelig; &trade; 01:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Blocking prevents editing but doesn't prevent logging in. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

What constitutes a "noteworthy" musical group?
I recently submitted an article about a UK band (that is in no way related to myself) who currently have 2 EP records on sale and have recently released a commercial studio album, gaining a Kerrang award nomination and who have played at both Reading and Glastonbury festivals in the UK more than once.

The page was marked for speedy deletion since apparently the band was not "significant" enough. What makes a band significant enough if not the above? I have seen articles all over Wikipedia detailing bands who have achieved far less notoriety.

What exactly constitiutes a "noteworthy" band if not a huge fanbase running a fansite, award nominations and national music festival appearances? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kutuup1989 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:NBAND. I'm going offline, but for the benefit of those still online &mdash; what was the article? TFOWR 01:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it was Out of Sight (Band) presumably? You'd need to convince (the admin who deleted the article) that the article did, in fact, satisfy WP:NBAND. If you remain unsatisfied after that take it to Deletion review. My first thought is that the article did not indicate significance or important, but I've only had a quick look. TFOWR 01:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And if there are band articles which are even less notable, please take them to WP:AFD per WP:WAX. Thank you.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 04:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * A nomination for a Kerrang awards, and playing at several perennial noteworthy festivals is more than notable for an article - Just make sure you indicate it in the article, and source it. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  04:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Search Index
I have recently contributed 4 new articles to Wikipedia. They do not appear in the Wikipedia's search index though. How do I fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hh73wiki (talk • contribs) 03:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It updates every now and then. Please wait a few more days. If it still does not appear after a few days, then you should report it, perhaps to WP:VPT. thanks  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:59, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The update normally occurs every day at midnight, but occasionally the update algorithm gets stuck. If you identify the name of the articles, I'll be happy to check. Sorry, I misread, I thought you said it had already been more than a day, but I see you created them today. They should be indexed tomorrow. -- SPhilbrick  T  15:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Help
I need to know how to undo a redirect? --Monterey Bay (talk) 04:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * A redirect is just a special piece of content on a normal Wikipedia page. Edit the page and change it to something else. If you need more assistance, please give some specifics about what redirect you're talking about and what it should be. DMacks (talk) 04:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I need to redirect a page back to the original title, Sea fish to Sea Stars. thanks. --Monterey Bay (talk) 04:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The WP:REDIRECT has lots of information about how to create a redirect. For example, you could create Sea fish (the page you want as the redirect) and add a special thing to it to cause it to be a redirect to Sea star (the existing actual target page). DMacks (talk) 05:06, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help! --Monterey Bay (talk) 05:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * None of your titles exist and your goal is still unclear to me. Sea fish has never existed and Seafish redirects to Sea Fish Industry Authority and has never redirected to other pages. Sea Stars has never existed and Sea stars is not an article but a redirect to Starfish. I see you have tagged Sea star (which redirected to Starfish) with rfd but you haven't started a redirect discussion or said what you want to do with that redirect. Can you say again which page you want to redirect to which page? Please be accurate with page names including capitalization. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

IRC password
I haven't used IRC in over a year now, and when I just tried to log on today I couldn't remember my correct password. My IRC cloak is King_of_Hearts. Is there a way to reset my password? -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I just jumped on. I use chatzilla and don't recall ever using a password. Do you want me to ask over there if anyone knows?Cptnono (talk) 06:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Freenode manages their own stuff, all Wikipedia(ns) can do is grant access to certain channels that WP itself controls--no general user login issues, etc. You don't need a password to use the freenode (at least for some channels), so you can still get on and ask them for help, per http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#helpfromstaff DMacks (talk) 06:04, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem is, I can't say anything or else my IP address will be exposed. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 06:06, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Create yourself a new user for use while dealing with recovering the old one? DMacks (talk) 06:26, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Title mistake
I messed up the wording of the name of an album that I was creating a page for. The album/article title should be The Academy Award-Winning "Call Me Irresponsible" and Other Hit Songs from the Movies, but instead of Hit Songs, I just put Hits. Can the article be moved to a page with the correct title? Danaphile (talk) 06:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅: The Academy Award-Winning "Call Me Irresponsible" and Other Hit Songs from the Movies. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 06:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Danaphile (talk) 07:06, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Article in Wikipedia
Dear Sir,

Kindly confirm that how can i, post any article or paper in Wikipedia or about a great personality, whom people are not aware of —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suraj28 (talk • contribs) 06:57, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:FAQ. Pay close attention to WP:BIO guidelines. DMacks (talk) 07:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Without knowing who the great personality is, I would hazard to suggest that if people are not aware of them, they probably would not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. As such, they would probably not warrant an article at this time --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 07:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Curious question about images
If a person creates an nn page about maths and uses the $$$$ tags, then an admin deletes it, is the image created by the $$$$ tags still publicly accessible?  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 09:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Good question. I'm not an expert and you're better off asking at WP:VPT or someplace but from what I know, the PNGs created from using the math tag reside on upload.wikimedia.org. The only reason I know this is because one of my sigs uses \mathfrak and you can find it at http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/a/1/fa1e3de197a53bc7a5e4a7c32c4037b2.png :)


 * But I don't know how that works behind the scenes or if it's still publicly accessible if the page using it gets deleted. In fact I'd like to know this myself... -- &oelig; &trade; 11:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

About partnerships
I have searched the help pages and the dashboard and cannot find an answer to this.

I study at an university that may have a lot to contribute to Wikipedia in many areas, the University of Coimbra in Portugal, Europe, and it doesn't seem to have any direct contact with this project yet, but I don't know how to establish a bridge between it and those who control Wikipedia so a partenership may be created. I know who to contact on my side, but I do not know who to contact on Wikipedia's side. How does this work?

Also, there are many obstacles to have portuguese contributors participate in the portuguese Wikipedia. This is mainly because most contributers in that part of the project are brazilian and there is a rather big difference between the dialects of the two countries. I cannot be sure as to the reaction of the portuguese contributers, but, from my experience as an observer in other projects, there is no interest in either barzilians or portuguese to participate in a joint project with a mix between the two dialects. Since the brazilians are in greater number, the portuguese tend not to create articles for the portuguese Wikipedia or even consult it. If the university was forced to participate in the portuguese Wikipedia, all contributions would inevitably be altered to fit the needs of brazilian users and that would obviously be fustrating to contributers in Europe. Can my university contribute mainly to the english version of Wikipedia or must it contribute to the portuguese one?

Thank you.

Arkaever (talk) 10:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you want to look at School and university projects. We have no control over other Wikipedias, but there is no reason you can't contribute to ours. Dougweller (talk) 12:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation. I'm not sure what type of partnership you have in mind but Staff lists Sara Crouse as Head of Partnerships and Foundation Relations.
 * Everybody who wants to contribute contructively are welcome to start editing in any language edition. There is no application process before editing and no requirement to give your identity or background but here is a userspace search of "University of Coimbra". We probably have some editors from your university whether they mention it or not. Editors are not required to use accounts but if they do then each member of an organization must create their own account. Shared accounts are not allowed. I don't know the Portuguese Wikipedia or its editors. Each language edition can establish its own guidelines but our article Portuguese Wikipedia doesn't sound like your description. The corresponding guideline for the English Wikipedia is at Manual of Style. We have relatively few quarrels about national varieties of English compared to other things . PrimeHunter (talk) 12:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

How do I edit an infobox that has no edit facility?
I've noticed an infobox on an article that I would like to suggest an edit for but there is no 'edit' against it. How would I go about making my suggestion? Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chauffeur [I'd like to suggest that the genre is 'New Romantic' rather than 'New Wave' and that I don't understand the difference between 'writer' and 'composer', unless one writes lyrics and the other composes music?] Apologies if this has been asked before - I did look :) from 'Adrian Hodges Cheltenham' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrian Hodges Cheltenham (talk • contribs) 13:33, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * For material at the very top of the page (the first paragraph, infoboxes), you need to click the edit tab at the very top of the page. This will allow you to edit the entire article, and thus the infobox you wish to change. Also, I'm not sure why the composer is listed. You would think it would be understood that the band did the composing. TN X Man  13:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a gadget for editing lead sections. You can install it by going to Special:Preferences. Under the 'Gadgets' tab there should be a section for user interface gadgets: editing. Simply check the first box, and there will be an edit button for the lead section.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks both. I've just checked the relevant box so I'll see if that does the trick. I think I might change 'writer' to 'lyrics' and 'composer' to 'music' - that way I don't trash the original author's effort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrian Hodges Cheltenham (talk • contribs) 23:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

And I've just discovered how to sign my name ;) --Adrian Hodges Cheltenham (talk) 23:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Two classes in one
I want to create this kind of a code, but I don't know how to - I've tried everything, now I got no ideas left. I want to put two classes in one class like so:

Does someone know how would I do it?--Chandos (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks like you want to nest tables? See Help:Table. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No, actually not. My objective is as following:


 * It thinks that the code ends before the place I want it to. I thought that maybe there's a way to add numbers/letters/names so it would know when to end, but I tried it in every way, nothing helped.--Chandos (talk) 23:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you tried using tags instead of wikicode to achieve what you want? They offer more flexibility, if you know what you're doing.  Gary King  ( talk  ·  scripts )  05:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Your option wasn't exactly the thing I wanted, but I solved it with this template: Hidden. At first I thought using NavFrame, but I didn't find it in the language I wanted and it didn't have as many options. Thanks anyways, because I still got some ideas and references that helped me also. --Chandos (talk) 08:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:Wikipedia is not a field guide
Why does everyone follow this nonexistent guideline? Many times if you want to read about a species that you know by its looks, it is so hard to find in Wikipedia. Or does Wikispecies do the job? --Chemicalinterest (talk) 15:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow. What do you mean when you say "everyone follow[s] this nonexistent guideline"? Do you mean species articles do not include detailed descriptions? TN X Man  15:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm also unsure what you mean. Remember that Wikipedia has millions of articles about all sorts of topics, and you are asking at a general help desk where people may edit other areas than you. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:13, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Here is an example. I find a frog with a yellowish throat in New Jersey. I want to see what species it is. That example is made easier by this article, but most pictures still do not show the underside. I find a crayfish covered with red spots, large, and aggressive. I want to see what species it is. How? --Chemicalinterest (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the problem you're encountering is with the methods available for searching Wikipedia content. There is currently no way to enter the characteristics you've found into a search field and have it return a list of results for you to peruse. I don't know how Wikispecies works, perhaps this is a possibility there. But to do what you're suggesting here seems labor-intensive and perhaps too narrowly focused for a general knowledge encyclopedia. TN X Man  20:38, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This is what prompted my question. I live near streams that contain crayfish. How do I find out what species of crayfish live in them? --Chemicalinterest (talk) 22:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does have some lists of animals and plants, such as List of mammals of Florida which is a featured list. Ultimately I think Wikipedia should be able to tell people all their local species of flora and fauna, but this work is far from done. If you want to identify a specific organism that for example you photographed, you can ask on the Reference desk or on the talk page of a suitable WikiProject such as WikiProject Biology or one of its many subprojects. Perhaps the most convenient way to get the information you want would be to meet a naturalist in your area who is familiar with the local wildlife. Also check the Encyclopedia of Life which appears to be a redundant project to Wikispecies. Lots of biology information is floating around on the Web but finding exactly what you need might be difficult if you are searching on your own. --Teratornis (talk) 01:47, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also recall that Wikipedia is a volunteer project, so the quality of photographs we have for various species is completely up to people choosing to contribute. Few contributors are trained biologists, so we have many photographs of living things that are unidentified or poorly identified. Note that Wikimedia Commons has some categories for biology topics that contain multiple pictures of particular species or genera, some of which may not appear in the corresponding Wikipedia articles. See for example Commons:Category:Crayfish. --Teratornis (talk) 17:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Change name
I want to change my user name and the site directs me to the change username page to request it but there is nothing to request the change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helen Butterworth (talk • contribs) 17:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Please see Changing username. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes I have already been to that page but it does not give any instructions on how it just explains that its possible. How to I go about actually changing the user name so that the original does not appear. I have tried changing the signature but it still shows the original. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.178.18 (talk) 10:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Near the bottom of Changing username are two links that lead to pages with more instructions. Provided your chosen new name is not already in use, the page you need is this one. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

What do editors in the Uk and the US see when they click on this link?
I see pictures of book covers, others see a book page, when they click on. I'm wondering if Google is doing this as a copyright enforcement or some such measure. I've used 3 browsers, cleared my cache, etc so I don't think it's me. I didn't know where else to ask, so... Dougweller (talk) 18:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * US here. I see page 384 of a book about some Egyptian topic.  Dismas |(talk) 18:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * UK. I see only the book-covers (several of them) and am offered no page access. Haploidavey (talk) 19:28, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Which pretty much confirms my experience. So, what do we do about using such pages as an external link? For RS purposes editors should be using proper citations anyway, not just raw links in the way that one has been used in an article (where it's a cite and an EL). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 19:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The external link should come out. The citation should be turned into one with proper attribution, and it matters not at all that the url is not working for some, since it's a citation to a paper source and the link is a just a courtesy. I'd suggest:""--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:57, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weird. I get the cover too, and I'm neither US/UK. sonia  ♫  20:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Not only do I only get the cover but the book does not infact contains the suggestion of anyt li8nk between the Mittani and the Indo-Aryhans. The Mittani material is about Akenhaten not Indo-Aryans, there is something funny going on here.Slatersteven (talk) 21:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * This link gives me access to pages of the King and Hall book:, and note the different link syntax. I've not yet checked for Mittani . Search for Mittani yields nothing. Nor does, ahem, the correct spelling, Mitanni. Search for armenian gives this, on p. 229. Previous experience suggests that when a request includes invalid internal search syntax, google offers the book cover as default; so in Doug's url above, the internal search terms seem to be screwed. Anyhow, I can read the pages allowed under google's usual partial preview deal. I'm in the UK. Does the link work for US users? Haploidavey (talk) 00:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks everyone. Dougweller (talk) 06:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I still don't get the problem. I saw the book view just fine. Maybe Dougweller needed to click on the image to access the preview. Regardless, he shouldn't have tried to start a conversation about disputing what it said by saying he coudn;t verify it. Verifiability says nothing about the ease of accessing sources. And even if it did, you shouldn't forum shop because you can;t figure out how to make google work.Cptnono (talk) 06:59, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Um, where above have I said I couldn't verify this? And it's clear it isn't just me, so why are you suggesting it is? I clicked on the image, by the way. I posted here because I wanted to figure out what the problem is (and it would be nice to see what others see, especially as it looks as though it was actually seen by whoever added it). I know full well that verifiability can be done offline, that's why I own so many books. I'm not forum shopping and I suggest you read WP:AGF. I had no intention of raising any issues here about reliability, content, whatever, and I think asking the question I did is a legitimate one. If I had raised the reliability issue here (not how to cite, but whether it as an RS) as well I'd have been wrong as well as stupid, since I'd already raised it elsewhere. RSN is not an appropriate venue for raising what I saw as a technical issue. Dougweller (talk) 07:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I say WP:DUCK but maybe I am just assuming the worst. You came here and you went there and you completely disregarded the verifiability policy. If you really really really couldn't figure it out then that is just the way it is but it stinks to me.Cptnono (talk) 07:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No, it's not a matter of "figuring things out". The link really does show different things to different people, depending on their location. See the article Google Books. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks John. And I haven't disregarded the verifiability policy, but I am not discussing that here, anything about that belongs at RSN, if Cptnono want sto comment about me on that go there and stop ignoring AGF. Dougweller (talk) 08:08, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd point out to Cptnono that until Slatersteven (not Dougweller) made a point about the content of the book, I assumed this discussion was solely about how Google Books appears (as Doug has confirmed was his intention). And you (Cptnono) were the first to mention verifiability here. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Help needed
I've put a help template on my talk page. If someone can provide some help, I'd very much appreciate it. Thanks. -- Nazar (talk) 18:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Chzz has responded there. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  19:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Slow loading from Internet to Wikipedia x 6 weeks
I few weeks ago I wrote on the Village Pump technical page about this (see below) but no one said anything. Now it is still happening to me, even at school with cable or T1 line (and especially at home with highest speed DSL)...

Did some sort of over-all structural change happen about 2 weeks ago that caused the Wikipedia to now take eons to open? (Maybe that is when I started to notice it...) When I Google a subject and then from the list provided, click on the Wikipedia link, it takes forever for the page to open - even when I am on Cable or high-speed wifi or on other computers. Sometimes I just open the link in a new window and set it off to the side to eventually load at its pleasure. Wikipedia used to be one of the fastest sites to load, and now it is markedly slower than any other site I access lately. I am just wondering why. Thanks Saudade7 18:46, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I should add that once I am *in* the Wiki the links work fine. It's just getting in that's really difficult. And yes, I have cleared my cache, cookies, and history and used various browsers, etc. Saudade7 18:51, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Now: The workaround that I employ now is to click on "cache" to get in, and then go from there. Otherwise it will literally take one or two minutes to open a wiki page from the Google list after a search. Wiki used to be very fast loading. I have no trouble with any other site, streaming content, YouTube, NetFlix, facebook, torrent stuff, etc. But this drives me crazy. It seems to have started with the new design. Thanks  S a u d a d e 7  21:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Resetting your account's preferences might work. Every page is cached so that they load quickly (try browsing Wikipedia while you're logged out and it should be fast); this only works for when you have settings that are the same as everyone else's, though, since having different settings would require a different version of each article be generated for you specifically. Gary King  ( talk  ·  scripts )  05:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest you check the URL that you are clicking on the Google results page. It should be something like "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein" . If it is more complicated than that, you may have picked up some malware that is rewriting your Google results page for its own purposes. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:47, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Gary King and John of Reading. Alas, this is happening even when I am not logged in. As I said, once I am *on* a Wiki page it works fine from the inside (eg all the hyperlinks load fast) the only problem is when entering the Wiki from an external link. All the pages are basic wiki pages. I've been editing the Wiki since 2002 and this is the first time that this problem has occurred and it is persistent, alas. I don't know how to find out if I have malware since I have a Mac with all its protections plus some kind of Norton / Symantec anti-virus stuff. It's not like .exe files that can just go on my computer, I have to approve stuff with a password. If you know how to check for viruses on OSX Leopard I'll listen. Seems to happen on Firefox, Safari and Chrome and on the computer at school too. I thought maybe the new page design had alot more info embedded in it or something, alas. Thanks again. love,  S a u d a d e 7  02:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It sounds like your computer is not caching any of the scripts, etc. that Wikipedia loads into your browser. A large amount of data is saved to your computer when you first visit Wikipedia, but then after this is cached, the browsing experience should be faster. It seems like this cached data is deleted when you close your browser; in most cases, this cached data should exist for about 30 days. Gary King  ( talk  ·  scripts )  02:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Try this: Bring up a Google search and jump from there to Wikipedia (slow), then while that Wikipedia window is still open, do another Google search and jump into Wikipedia again. If its malware this second jump will be slow too; if its a script caching issue then this second jump should be quick. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I must have a script caching issue with the Wiki :-(  S a u d a d e 7   09:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Is posting information about yourself considered a conflict of interest
An article on the Patterson Gimlin Film cites me and my analysis in some recent revisions of the last few weeks. The citation of my work is a mere sentence, and doesn't elaborate. If I were to provide more elaborate information, would that be acceptable, or would it be aconsidered a conflict of interest, for me to post about my work?

I have no objection to some editorial review of what I would submit.

Thank you,

Bill Munns —Preceding unsigned comment added by BillMunns (talk • contribs) 21:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it would be a conflict of interest. The best thing to do would be to go the the talk page (Talk:Patterson-Gimlin film) and write whatever you feel like adding there. Also, somewhere on the talk page, add the Request edit tag - this will tell other editors to review your stated changes and add them into the article if there are OK, or give you feedback if something needs to be changed. :) <sup style="color:red;">Avic <sub style="color:blue;">ennasis  @ 22:26, 4 Elul 5770 / 14 August 2010 (UTC)