Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 August 24

= August 24 =

Article title revision
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I just posted an article for an album entitled Dear Heart, which is the title song from a 1964 movie, and I put the phrase (Andy Williams album) at the end of the title so that it is not confused with the song or the movie. Now that I go to upload the album cover art, I notice that there is an apostrophe after the artist's last name, so the album is actually called Andy Williams' Dear Heart. Can the article be moved to a page with this newly- discovered title? Danaphile (talk) 06:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking at the album cover it appears to me that the name is Andy Williams' Dear Heart, not just Dear Heart.  GB  fan  06:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. That's what I'm saying. I'd like the article to be moved to a page entitled Andy Williams' Dear Heart. -- Thanks. Danaphile (talk) 07:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I misunderstood what you were asking for, I thought you wanted Dear Heart (Andy Williams' album). I have moved the article to Andy Williams' Dear Heart   GB  fan  07:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! Danaphile (talk) 07:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Regarding usefulness of articles
Hello all (@ Wiki),

Wikipedia has been a very useful and knowledgeable website for quite a long time.

Is it possible, if somehow, ratings mechanism is added to the pages?

The following parameters can be added (my suggestions) 1. No. of hits 2. No. of references 3. Liked by No. of people (Even websites like Facebook can promote those articles) 4. Ratings given by registered and unregistered users.

Because, pertaining to one particular topic, there will be many articles. At least the users must know, which one is useful for them.

Thanks and Regards, Vinayak Naik —Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.230.160 (talk) 06:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC) 1. Page views - If you go to "View History" on any article, there are four "External Tools" listed at the top of the screen, one of them is Page View Statistics" 2. References are listed at the end of each article (unless you are talking about stuff published outside of wikipedia that references the related wikipedia article?) 3. I don't think that this is somethig that would be done (but I could be wrong) 4. If you go to the talk page of the majority of Wikipedia articles, you will see a box (like here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joy_Division ) that includes an article rating Darigan (talk) 10:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, in answer to your query:

name change issue
I have requested to change my username but hav enit heard back. please can you tell me if this is being processed or if i applied incorrectly? the currrent name is GiantMen, and I want to change this

Lei-Lana (GiantMen) —Preceding unsigned comment added by GiantMen (talk • contribs) 10:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to go back where you originally asked for the name change, Changing username/Simple. A bureaucrat has asked a question about your request.   GB  fan  10:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Reference desk/Computing is getting blocked - virus alert
I am getting the following message from my firms firewall when trying to access Reference desk/Computing :

Access has been blocked because of: A virus (HTML.Phishing.Bank-391) was found in the downloaded file.

Is this a problem with our firewall or has someone posted something they shouldn't -- Q Chris (talk) 10:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

More info: It looks as though someone included this in this update, as I can see versions before that. My guess is they copied some phishing html into the post which is being picked up by the bloxx antivirus. -- Q Chris (talk) 11:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * They didn't copy html but they copied plain text from a phishing attempt. Your security software recognizes the text string and thinks it's a phishing attempt at Reference desk/Computing. Just ignore it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Linking CD Cover Art to Article
I inadvertantly altered the image title so it doesn't match the name of my existing article. Is it possible to link the image (already approved) to the existing article? Please advise. Thanks.

Kenwaditty (talk) 11:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can still add File:From Brush and Stone Gordon Giltrap and Rick Wakeman.jpg to From Brush and Stone. Please note, however, that the article is very close to being marked for deletion. I see no indication that the album is notable enough to warrant an article. TN X Man  11:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have PRODded it on the basis that it does not meet the guidelines at WP:NALBUMS. – ukexpat (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you both for your input. I do see a warning sign under the image stating it will be deleted after September 1. I have since added more content to this article and, hopefully, it is considered notable. How do I know this image is safe to use and that it won't be deleted? Also, how would I properly link it to the associated article? Thanks in advance. Kenwaditty (talk) 04:52, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Article copy and paste into userspace
If someone simply copies and pastes an article into userspace - isn't that a breach of GFDL as there is attribution? --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It depends. If there is only one author and the article is moved to their userspace, that can be acceptable. If there is more than one author, then the edit history needs to be preserved. I don't know if you are referring to a general case or a specific example - if it's the latter, I know that User:Anthony Appleyard is very good at fixing broken cut/paste moves. TN X Man  11:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Wikipedia is now under the Creative Commons license, not GFDL. The Terms of Use mean that all you need to do is link to the original article. -- Q Chris (talk) 11:43, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That aside, for ease of reference it makes sense to keep the contribution history intact in one place. – ukexpat (talk) 13:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

How to restore photo that no longer displays
I right-clicked on a photograph on the Barto and Mann page and selected an option that prevented the image from being downloaded. Selected the option has removed the photograph. I've tried everything I can think of to get it back without success. Is there a way to restore the photograph or do I need to start over? Thank you. Brad Smith 13:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradford Smith (talk • contribs)
 * Could you please tell us what option you clicked? I can tell you right now that you likely blocked the image from being displayed in your browser only, because it still displays on mine. If you upload a picture here, you must allow others to do whatever they want with the picture as long as they stay within the terms of the license you set (currently CC-BY-SA 3.0). In other words, you cannot prevent users from downloading the image, nor can you license it for educational or non-commercial use only. If you cannot allow that, then you must not upload a picture here. Xenon54 (talk) 13:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This is totally unrelated, but when signing posts, don't write your name and the time manually. I'm not quite sure about whether you wrote "Brad Smith " or just wrote your name and the time. Anyway, next time, just write ~ to sign. Thanks. — W aterfox  ( talk ) 14:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help Xenon54 and Waterfox. I was able to solve the problem by going to the jpg file, right-clicking on the image, and clicking to remove the check mark.  I had no intention of blocking the image.  I was just experimenting to see what would happen if I exercised that option.  I've been attempting to determine how to tag photographs inherited from my parents, both now dead.  Most of the Wikipedia instructions are for photographs taken by the person posting the article and clearly owning the copyright.  I have consulted an attorney and, without question, I own the copyright to the image.  I'm happy to let others use the jpg file posted to Wikipedia.


 * I hope I have signed correctly this time. There's a lot to learn in creating articles for Wikipedia.   Brad Smith 15:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradford Smith (talk • contribs)


 * The signature is still incorrect. Go to Special:Preferences, remove the check mark you probably have at "Treat the above as wiki markup", and click Save. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, PrimeHunter. Let's see if it works correctly now.  Brad Smith (talk) 21:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

In the article pertaining to Largest Exporter of Steel
To whom it may concern:

[] The list has both European and Germany in the ranking. If Germany is parat of EU, then the EU is either being double-counted and hence achieving a better rank or is it that Germany is not considered part of EU for this ranking? Thanks,

Hari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.224.50 (talk) 14:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Several countries in the EU are listed separately. I would guess that the figure for the EU is an aggregate of all its members, but I don't know. I agree that the text should make it clear what is meant by including the EU in the list. --ColinFine (talk) 18:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Dual licensing
As I become more active in Wikipedia, I want to get this straight: how does the dual licensing system work? Mainly, what are the differences between the two licenses? They both allow licensees to distribute derivative works, but only under a license identical to the license that governs the original work, right? What are the differences between the old GFDL-only license and the relatively new dual licensing? — W aterfox  ( talk ) 15:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Do WP:Licensing and WP:Licensing update help? – ukexpat (talk) 15:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Euthanasia
There is no mention in the article or the refs of a poem on the subject by Byron. I think this is a matter of some interest, but can't think how to input the information. Fleapit (talk) 18:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This would be something more suited to its own article. Perhaps create an article on this poem and make a disambiguation page for Euthanasia? Make sure that the article fits the notability guidelines, however. — GorillaWarfare talk 22:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, discuss it on the article's talk page - if consensus is that it should be mentioned, then add it! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 20:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Computer code warning
An editor who is using avast! Web Shield gets the message "trojan horse blocked" when they try to open Archive 8 of Talk:Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories. They posted their problem here. Could someone please determine whether any problem exists. TFD (talk) 22:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Problem solved. Some editors figured out that an editor had posted the (text version of) a malware function to the birther article talk page, apparently in good faith to explain to editors why google was giving them a malware warning when they tried to view the Orly Taitz website.  The code has now been redacted. ''<-- warning - your virus protection software may object to clicking or mousing over this link' - Wikidemon (talk) 01:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you Wiki editors. All clear now. Dave Dial (talk) 03:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Please explain categories to me
I understand how I use them. I use them to browse other articles. However, officially, I don't know what they are there for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Entertainers_killed_in_airplane_crashes is being considered for deletion. Some says that this should be deleted and only "victims of aviation crashes and incidents in ____" (insert country) should be there. I think that this is useful for the airplane fan but is not useful for others because an American may be killed in a plane crash in Ethiopia (true story) but few will search Ethiopia.

I do not want to be pointy but I see the Entertainers killed to be similar to State leaders killed in plane crashes and Aviators killed in plane crashes. In fact, aviators killed in plane crashes is so commonplace since they are the ones flying the plane.

Someone said I could nominate the state leaders and aviators category. However, I only believe the same treatment should be afforded to those categories but I understand the category system too poorly to judge. Please help. Unlike AFDs, which have many pages of notability guidelines and policies, category guidelines are few. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 23:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * CFDs are for discussing the proposed deletion of categories that "violate policies or guidelines, are misspelled, mis-capitalized, redundant, small without potential for growth, or generally bad ideas". Kindly read Categories_for_discussion for a better analysis. In case you have views with respect to the above mentioned category, participate in the discussions and go by consensus. That's the line you should follow. Regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  05:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Archives
How can I archive my talk page? I've typed in the apparently right codes, but it's not working.  MR.   Pre  Z  23:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it looks like you've added, which simply generates a list of existing archives. Since you don't have any archives, there's nothing to display. I would recommend setting User:MiszaBot to do your archiving. It's pretty easy to set up and archives once a day. Or, you can copy the code from the top of my talk page, which will do the same thing. TN X Man  23:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)