Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 August 25

= August 25 =

linking question
I've created an article and in the list of television programs in it is Espejismo. If I slap square brackets around Espejismo, it gets to an old film named Mirage (released in some Spanish language countries as Espejismo.) I want my link to go to the newer television series. There is no article for the latter and I am not planning to write one. What to do... Thanks. Karen Anne (talk) 13:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The title Espejismo redirects to Mirage (1972 film). What you would need to do is edit this page, erasing the redirect and replacing it with the article you have written. TN X Man  13:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I think you misunderstand. As I said, I have not nor do I intend to write about the tv series. I want to link in my other article to behave correctly. Karen Anne (talk) 14:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. You said that "I want my link to go to the newer television series. There is no article for the latter..." If there is no article, then the link cannot go there. The link will continue to point to the movie until there is an article about the TV show.  TN X Man  14:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Agh. So. what does one do when you refer to X in an article and only a different entity X exists in wikipedia. Surely there is a way to handle this. If there were no different X, clicking on the link would get you to a do you want to create page. There must be a way tp handle this conflict instead of pointing to the wrong thing. Am I in the right place to ask this question? Karen Anne (talk) 09:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes you're in the right place. What you need to do is choose a sensible alternative title such as Espejismo (television series) and put your link in the article as Espejismo, which will display as Espejismo. If there are other possible articles in which you can put this new redlink, that would be good, since it increases the chances of somebody seeing one and deciding to start an article. BencherliteTalk 09:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that pipe thing is just what I wanted. Karen Anne (talk) 15:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Dear wikipedia.
I just wanted to tell you that there is a cosmetic procedure that changes the color of the eye, called Newcoloriris.com could wikipedia built an article about this stating the benefits or the dangers of the surgery? thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.250.245 (talk) 01:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry but we do not allow articles that are written for the purposes of advertising. See our spam policy and our policy that Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion, as well as our general notability guideline for more information.  Them  From  Space  01:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In their defense, they did also ask for "...the dangers of the surgery". Such information wouldn't necessarily be in an advertisement.  Dismas |(talk) 03:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I noted that also. However, for such an article to be created, as well as meeting the notability guideline mentioned by Themfromspace, there would also need to be sources which verified such information which were both reliable sources (as Wikipedia defines it) and independent of the subject -- Phantom Steve /talk &#124;contribs \ 20:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

KVIC
KVIC radio station in Victoria Texas now links to an organization in India. It appears that the radio station information has been deleted but other pages for other stations in Victoria now link to the new Indian article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by David Block (talk • contribs) 01:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * KVIC has always redirected to Khadi and Village Industries Commission. As far as I can tell there has never been an article about the radio station. I have changed some of the radio station links on "KVIC" to point to the red link KVIC (FM) and will look for the rest of the wrong links. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Mobile version on my iPod
I accidently turned off the mobile view of wikipedia on my iPod touch, thinking I could switch back to that view but I can't find anywhere to change it back. I enjoyed having the tabs to open n close sections of articles n not having to scroll thru sections I'm not interested in like I have to now. It was simple to turn off but I haven't found a way to switch back. Please help96.227.166.186 (talk) 03:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)bob p.
 * Have you tried downloading the Wikipedia app (free) from the iTunes Store? -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Last I looked, there was a link at the bottom of every article to turn the mobile version back on. Dismas |(talk) 03:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Mobile view on iPod touch
I just asked a question about switching my view back to the mobile view when I'm on wikipedia. I didn't totally explain that my iPod touch is new n I'm new to surfing the web. I don't own a computer n with the iPod this is basically my 1st internet experience. I wanted to see a different view of the page n now want to switch back. I still don't see a link even after reading your answer. Probaby very simple to switch but i'm not seeing it. Thanks96.227.166.186 (talk) 04:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)bob p
 * Clicking on this link would show you how a similar question was answered in the past. Regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  05:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

File:SSL graphic.png
I'm not sure where to report this. I try to stay as far away from image issues as possible, but it's been brought to my attention that appears at first glance to be a copyvio of this image from this page. Still investigating the text of the article involved, Secure messaging. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 05:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay there are two sections that are pretty much copied from the same site. What's the proceedure for dealing with vital sections (ones that are essential to the article) when the rest of the article isn't being questioned? I don't want to just remove them and leave a gaping hole, but obviously the copyright stuff can't remain and I'm not up to doing a rewrite and hunting down sources. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 07:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Put {{subst:copyvio}} at the top of the offending sections and &lt;div> at the bottom. Stifle (talk) 08:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Search question: No subpages?
Is there an easy way to search for text in the Wikipedia: namespace, while excluding any and all matches in subpages? (My results are getting swamped by old AFDs.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * This page may help - it allows you to limit your search to specific areas, such as mainspace, and exclude others, such as WP project pages. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 06:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If the only subpages you're coming up with are AFDs, an easy workaround might be to exclude the terms "Articles for" or "deletion", depending on what you're really looking for. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 12:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I'm getting a couple hundred AFD, old ANI archives, and the like, and the page I want to find (again) is definitely a current policy/guideline/essay. I had the page open yesterday to check something else, saw a line in passing, and now want to double-check what I saw out of the corner of my eye, because it appears to directly conflict with WP:CONLIMITED.)  WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Unified account and bug in watchlist
I noticed some strange things with my account. Suddenly, ru.wikipedia.org appeared in my unified account list, but I never edited there and never established an account there. At the same time, I noticed that an obvious bug page named '''H A G G Ë R ? ? appeared in my watchlist (in RED''' for a non-existing page) and all attempts to remove it failed, even on the raw watchlist edit. HELP!!! Shenhemu (talk) 07:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Accounts are sometimes autocreated in your single unified account list when you simply visit another language Wikipedia, even if you don't edit there.
 * For the watchlist issue, try copying your raw watchlist to a file on your computer, remove your entire raw watchlist on Wikipedia, save it, and then copy it back without the H A G G Ë R ? ? page. --Mysdaao talk 12:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The watchlist issue has happened as a result of page move/renaming vandalism by a certain known, long-term vandal - it's nothing you've done, you just happen to be watching a page he's edited and his changes have affected your watchlist. If you can't get rid of it and it doesn't vanish by itself, an admin familiar with cleaning up after him may be able to help you - I know some active anti-vandal admins watch this page.   Ka renjc 17:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the help! I successfully cleaned my watchlist following your suggestion. Will just ignore the ruwiki. Shenhemu (talk) 01:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Courtesy Blanking
Hello, I am new here and was wondering about how "courtesy blanking" works. I was editing the article on the Queen of Hearts, when I found a previous vandalised version of the page had been "courtesy blanked" when I tried to view it (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Queen_of_Hearts_(poem)&diff=343861535&oldid=343791614). Being unable to make much sense of the article on courtesy blanking, I was hoping someone would be able to explain to me, in simple terms what it is and also why it was used in this instance.

SRESQ (talk) 08:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, don't worry about it. That was a misuse of the courtesy blanking template. Very roughly defined, courtesy blanking occurs on non-article pages (discussion pages or pages in the Wikipedia namespace), where a living person, either a Wikipedian or a public figure, has been discussed in a manner that is inappropriate. This is to make sure that Google searches are not able to bring up results with the offensive text in them, as Google searches the most recently cached version of a page. sonia ♫  08:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. If it was a misuse of the courtesy blanking template, could the blanking be removed in some way?

SRESQ (talk) 14:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The courtesy-blanking template was added, in the diff you cited, by the vandal who replaced the page's content with one sentence of junk. The vandalism was immediately reverted, so the versions in the article's history just before and after the vandalism show how the article actually looked at that time. Deor (talk) 17:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki contributions
Dear Sirs:

I have edited a few articles. My username is mctwht. However, when I click on my profile it only shows two edited articles being one today about Omni Mall in Miami and another on Queen Victoria (that doesn't even appear in the article). However, I have also created a Wikipedia page which is for Centro Deportivo Olmedo (in Spanish) and under the "edit history" of this page, mctwht appears as the original author. Why does the Centro Deportivo Olmedo entry not appear under my "history" of work submitted to Wikipedia. I am trying to tie together all my contributions in one click but your service does not seem to be capable of providing this. Please respond.

Mctwht (talk) 08:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * this page only records what you have done here on the English Wikipedia. For a tool which will record what you have done across all Wikimedia projects, try this. You may also want to unify your account so that logging into one language Wikipedia will automatically log you into the other. To do this, please visit this page. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. Cheers, sonia ♫  09:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

images from German Wikipedia
I've just finished Jacques-Barthélemy Micheli du Crest on the English Wikipedia, and I noticed that the German equivalent has two images in the public domain. Is there any way to use these in my article? I'm under the impression that they will need to be downloaded and re-uploaded to Commons, is there an easy way to do this or is it something I need to do manually? --  WORM MЯOW 10:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You can also use Commons Helper. More information on moving images to Commons is at Moving images to the Commons, or in German at Hilfe:Dateien nach Commons verschieben.  --Mysdaao talk 12:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! That was exactly what I was looking for. Right, now let's see if I can get this on WP:DYK--  WORM MЯOW 12:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Deleted Article
Hi. My article Promise (personality development for kids) was deleted yesterday. I am ready and very willing to modify the article as needed. I have used verifiable resources, links, and tried to maintain a neutral tone. I realize that the infobox needs to be modified so that it does not seem like an advertising article. Are there any other changes which you would suggest so that the article can be reinstated? Thank you. Looking4solutions (talk) 10:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I suggest you recreate it in your userspace (leave the categories off it if you had any) and people can then check it and make suggestions. Most users don't have the ability to see deleted articles. --Cameron Scott (talk) 10:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. How would I need to mark the page: with four ~ or the helpme, or by other means, so as to encourage some feedback on my userpage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Looking4solutions (talk • contribs) 11:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Once you get the article created you can post a message at Requests for feedback to encourage others to give feedback.  GB  fan  12:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The best way to proceed is to create a personal sandbox in a user subpage, and draft your article there. To do this, type User:Looking4solutions/Name of your proposed article into the search box, type in some text, and save.  But do read Your first article, and also WP:ORG.  If the subject is a company or product, it needs to have received significant coverage in reliable independent media sources in order to merit an encyclopaedia article. If you need a copy of the deleted article, you can ask at the talk page of the admin who deleted it, which is here.   Ka renjc 17:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Mistake in article about Brussels Airlines
Dear, First of all I would like to congratulate you all with the great Wikipedia website. Please note that there are some mistakes in the article about 'Brussels Airlines'. Brussels Airlines has no so called codeshare agreements with Turkish Airlines or TAM. Is it possible to adapt this? Many thanks Geert Sciot Vice President Communication Brussels Airlines —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.78.45.187 (talk) 14:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Crystal_Clear_app_utilities.png|20px]]Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).
 * [[Image:AROBAZE.png|20px]] Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet.  The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email [mailto:oversight-l@lists.wikimedia.org this address].--Danger (talk) 14:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Kindly ensure you necessarily read our guidelines on conflicts of interest you might have, before undertaking your editing on the said article. Write back for any assistance. Warm regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  16:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Template tracking
I just created a template to be used by antivandals. Is there any way to track who and how many people put it on their userpages?--<font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Last  Lived  16:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The "What links here" link will show all of the links to the template - and, in this case, will specify which of those links is by transclusion (as on a user page). Click here. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 16:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have added a Z number . This will allow you to track all uses of the template, whether transcluded or not.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

looking for a template
Hello. I frequently edit in french Wikipedia, where there is a template known as "unit" or "number" (fr:modèle:unité), which manages how a number with or without a unit is displayed, inserting unbreakable spaces where needed and so on. Is there an equivalent on this Wikipedia ? It's used in almost every page on french Wikipedia. Thanks in advance, Freewol (talk) 16:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Since Americans use the silly system of measurement and we thus need to have both, I think undefined undefined  is a good one to use. It deals with the spaces, though you do have to enter which units you'd like manually.--Danger (talk) 18:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I understand the difference. I'll try and use convert, and come back here if I find something missing. Freewol (talk) 08:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

images don't display on wikipedia
Hello, I have a problem, i can't see images displayed on wikipedia.org, i don't know what's causes this problem and i need help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.248.25.237 (talk) 16:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * What is your browser? Can you see images at other websites? Can you see http://en.wikipedia.org/images/wikimedia-button.png? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There is currently some kind of problem with displaying images, but it's on it's way to being fixed. In fact, I believe it's almost completely fixed. --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 21:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, the problem has been fixed. However, you may need to purge your cache. Here's how you do it (this was taken from the page WP:PURGE):
 * From any Wikipedia page:
 * At the end of the URL in the address bar of your browser, add the text <tt>?action=purge</tt>
 * Press or click "Go"
 * The page will refresh itself.
 * Hopefully, that will resolve your problem! --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 22:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Movie Review Intelligence would like to be white-listed -- how?
Movie Review Intelligence would like to be white-listed. Nine months ago we made mistakes by posting our information on Wikipedia because we did not understand Wikipedia's rules and regulations. We have no interest in posting our information now and it will not happen again. We are an established movie review aggregator that has been written about by the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune, AP, CNN.com, et. al. We are relied on by the movie industry as an unbiased source of movie review information. We would like our information to be available to Wikipedia editors because we do not believe the current sources of movie review information are as accurate and complete. There is discussion of these issues here (http://iurl.us/bcn) and here (http://iurl.us/bco). An overview of Movie Review Intelligence is here (http://iurl.us/bcj). We have a new Wikipedia page here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movie_Review_Intelligence). How do I request to be white-listed? Is it something I can request, or only editors can request? Thank you. David A. Gross, Editor & Publisher, Movie Review Intelligence Dagrossla (talk) 17:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to explain further, the request is for the the MRI website to be removed from the external link blacklist. – ukexpat (talk) 19:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You can request moving a site from the blacklist at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. There, you must explain the reason why you think blacklisting is no longer necessary. Also, use this template in your request:, but insert the URL of the website you are requesting to be delisted where it says "example.com". If possible, include the name of the person who blacklisted the website and their reasons for blacklisting. This information can be found at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/log. Hope this helps! --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 22:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * A request was made to be removed from the blacklist. The request was denied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#MovieReviewIntelligence.com_.28removal_request.29 David A. Gross, Editor & Publisher, Movie Review Intelligence Dagrossla (talk) 04:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In that case there is not much we can do about it here. – ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

bud day medal of honor recipient
Is it possible to receive from you a high-rez, large size e-photo used in this subject article showing the Col. in his dress whites? If not, is there a contact to the Air Force or to your source that might have similar photographs.

Thank you for any help or direction you can offer. Ditty Lavonne (talk) 17:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you refer to the picture: File:Col George Day 1987.jpg which appears in the Bud Day article, you can download the high resolution image. The image seems to be in the public domain. --Teratornis (talk) 20:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

some one hacked in to my facebook, now I can't login to it, facebook says because of phishing  that they are doing I can't get into my account
Help  getting   login   to  facebook  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.227.115 (talk) 17:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  17:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I am trying to write an article about a company
I am trying to write about a company similar to one already on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elnec&oldid=310114304 That is the company already on Wikipedia and I am myself trying to write about a company similar to Elnec. I was reading over the requirements for what is allowed to be posted and was wondering how the Elnec page has notability as they only post their own website as sources for information put in their article? Thanks for the help. Junjoon (talk) 18:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good question. Two people have now marked it for deletion. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  18:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have tagged Elnec for speedy deletion. Usually appeals to the "other stuff exists" argument are not very helpful as we have many articles that require clean up or deletion. Please read WP:CORP and WP:FAQO for guidance as to notability, WP:YFA for guidance on writing your first article, and WP:SPAM and WP:COI if you are connected to the company. – ukexpat (talk) 18:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to know what kind of notability that page had but I guess it doesn't. Thank youJunjoon (talk) 20:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It had none and it's been deleted. – ukexpat (talk) 00:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Tracking the number of people sent to an article from a specific link
Hello, i was wondering if there was a method of finding out how many people are sent to an article from a specific wikilink in the hatnote on another article? In order to try and help establish if an article is the primary article or not.

I know it is possible to see page views of a redirect, so are people allowed to create a redirect and then place that redirect on the article (replacing the direct link) for a few days to monitor how many are using the redirect? and then use that information to help build a case to justify page moves. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 20:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if this is allowed, it might be difficult to police because a user who doesn't know there is a test in progress might see the seemingly spurious redirect and "fix" it. It would be best to collect data by methods that are transparent to other users; if the methods are visible to users, they should not present any opportunities to confuse people. I think a simpler way to determine primacy among a set of ambiguous article titles would be to check the number of views each article gets - I'm not sure how it matters how the readers get to the articles. The unbiased way to resolve ambiguity is with a disambiguation page. Hatnotes can be helpful but I would use them in addition to a disambiguation page, not in place of it. Of course it's hard to give general advice that would apply to every case, so you might tell us the particular articles you have in mind. --Teratornis (talk) 20:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The links under WP:EIW might give clues about methods people have used to track usage patterns on Wikipedia. I don't know the details, but I do know that some number of people are researching Wikipedia, so they might have ways to collect data about it. --Teratornis (talk) 20:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The article in question is New York, at the moment the state has the primary spot rather than the city and has done for many years. The city in my view is the primary article (especially for those outside of the USA) and the page views show that the city gets by far the most views despite not having the primary spot. State = 312,000 views this month compared to the city = 518,000. I am suspecting that quite a few of the state views are by people looking for the city article as well, which is why i wanted to see if there was a way to get the number of people using the hatnote. BritishWatcher (talk) 21:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Presumably you have read Naming conventions (geographic names). See Special:WhatLinksHere/New York - if you start moving around such heavily linked pages, the mess of garbled links would be substantial. Not to mention the legions of Wikipedia users who have gotten used to linking to New York because it is the correct name of the state. If New York actually pointed to New York City that would violate the principle of least astonishment, at least for editors. Presumably most people who edit articles about United States topics will be more familiar with the proper names of things in the US. Imagine if we started moving United Kingdom topics around according to incorrect names used by people outside the UK. Basically, the longer something has been a certain way on Wikipedia, the harder it is to change, because the more deeply it becomes entrenched in the structure of links and in editors' habits. The only benefit might be to relieve some readers of needing to follow a hatnote, which hardly seems worth the disruption and inconsistency. Just my opinion. --Teratornis (talk) 21:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Changing the pages would create a lot of links that would need correcting, however there will be a lot of articles incorrectly linking to New York thinking that is the city, ive already stated a few examples on the talk page of where its been incorrect. But this is the whole reason for my question about if its allowed to create a redirect. I want to know how many people are going to New York then seeing they are at an article about the state and end up clicking the hatnote to the city. The proposal at the moment on the page is for a disam page which of course after sorting out all the links initially can be checked regularly for new links to the disam page.
 * This is also not just about people from outside of the USA, i would think the city is what most think of when they say New York. Anyway that is all a debate on the page itself, just because the articles have been a certain way for many years and some editors have got use to it, is not a reason to create more work for future readers. BritishWatcher (talk) 21:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Batch article assessment without AWB
Hi. I'm on a mac and so can't take advantage of AWB, but I would like to be able to assess articles from the article pag. ie open up a bunch of tabs or otherwise queue up a bunch of articles and enter an assessment but not have to manually open the talk page. Is this possible? Are there standalone editors for the mac or javascript gadgets which can replace some AWB functionality? Protonk (talk) 21:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you tried to run the program via Wine or Mono? Magog the Ogre (talk) 00:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 10:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

UPLOADING CROPPED IMAGES
HI, IS IT POSSIBLE TO UPLOAD AN PUBLIC DOMAIN HORSE RACING ORIGINAL PHOTO AND ALSO A CROPPED PORTION OF THAT IMAGE TO USE IN SIMILAR BUT SEPERATE ARTICLES INTO COMMONS. THANKS LESHAIGH (talk) 23:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can do that; you might want to reference the original image when you upload the cropped one as well. On another note, can I advise you to not type in all caps? It makes it look like you're shouting. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * See these two examples from my contributions at Commons: original version; cropped version. Note the use of the Extracted from and Image extracted templates. (Obviously for a PD image the licensing templates will be different.) – ukexpat (talk) 14:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)