Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 August 28

= August 28 =

Jane Greer (poet)
My page was marked for deletion because it didn't have the right type of references. I have added 2 references, and the warning note at the top of the page seems to suggest that I can now DELETE the warning note--but I can't figure out how to do that. Please help. Thank you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Greer_(poet)Terrierista (talk) 23:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Terrierista, I've moved this section for you and added a header so that it was more visible than it was before (you'd tacked it onto the end of an older section with a different question, and it wasn't highly visible; in fact, I only saw it because I was reading through that other question and noticed your paragraph).


 * I see you've added a couple of sources to the Jane Greer article, poems of hers published in collections. they might not meet Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources, unfortunately. The references you added are questionable because they are primary sources; that is, they're directly related to the subject (in this case, the references are authored by the subject). Preferred reliable sources are secondary or third-party sources; that is, they should be completely unrelated to the subject, among other things. General examples include newspapers, journals, etc. Ideally, multiple reliable sources establish the article subject's notability, which is the ultimate basis on which the article's suitability for inclusion in Wikipedia is determined.


 * The link I provide above gives a good overview of what constitutes a reliable source in general. Below are a couple of more specific definitions useful in this situation:
 * Reliable sources for articles about living persons
 * Self-published sources
 * Definitions and uses of primary, secondary, and tertiary sources


 * In the case of this article, I'd suggest instances of coverage of Ms. Greer in reputable news sources and analysis of her works in reputable literary journals, not just instances of her works published for general distribution.


 * It looks like you still have a day or so; I'd advise:


 * not removing the deletion template
 * using that time to track down a secondary source or two as described above and adding those to the article


 * Best of luck! Northumbrian (talk) 01:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

NZ's Queen's Personal Flag
Minor querry in the Article re NZ's Queen's Personal Flag it says the cenre stripe has three ships but I see only 2? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BALMHOL (talk • contribs) 03:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You may have a point. Queen's Personal Flag for New Zealand says: "The central stripe consists of three ships. Superimposed in the centre is a dark blue roundel bearing a Roman E surmounted by a Royal Crown within a chaplet of roses, all gold-coloured, obscuring the centre ship." As far as I can tell, the "obscured" centre ship is 100% covered so is there a ship at all? Or is there perhaps an Invisible Pink Unicorn hiding there? The article displays File:Royal Standard of New Zealand.svg which is in commons:Category:Royal and vice-regal standards of New Zealand which also contains the similar File:Flag of the Governor-General of New Zealand.svg with a third ship clearly displayed in the centre. I guess the design started with 3 ships but if one of them has become invisible then it may make more sense to say that one of the ships was replaced by the blue roundel - assuming the Kiwis don't literally place one pattern over the other when creating physical flags as opposed to strictly two-dimensional drawings.
 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Moving item from User page to general access
I have an article on my User Page Keakea123. This is about an entertainer Chris Shaw. I tried to release this article to general access, and it seems without success as when I do a Search on Chris Shaw as anyone may then he does not show in responses. Guidance please ? Regards, FrankKeakea123 (talk) 03:18, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Frank, It appears you tried to move you user talk page as if it were an article. The page was deleted, and replaced back into your userstalk it appears. My suggestion is to try to create an article in your own userspace (not talk space) by creating here; user:Keakea123/sandbox (You can create the article in your userspace by clicking on the redlink) and not moving the article to the mainspace until it (your article) appears to meet notability requirements See Notability (people). Hope that helps, second opinions/additions out there that i missed?Ottawa4ever (talk) 04:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You may find this useful in writing a new article; Your first article Ottawa4ever (talk) 05:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Mount Kekneno, West Timor
Hello, I would like very much if you could include a new addition to the mountains of Indonesia.

A full description of MOUNT KEKNENO in West Timor.

As there is nothing on the internet about the mountain.

I have tried to find photographs of Mount Kekneno with no success.

I want to know its altitude and any other details, and photos if you can get one.

Regards Sandra —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.7.220.106 (talk) 05:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Sandra, You can post your request for an addition of an article here; Requested articles or more specifically here; Requested_articles/Social_sciences/Geography,_cities,_regions_and_named_places. It may take some time for an editor to come along and develop the article, alternatively you could create the article as well, seeking offline referencing can help when online websites are unavailable. If you decide to go that route, have a read of Your first article, hope it helps, Ottawa4ever (talk) 06:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Please note, however, that you need an account in order to create new articles. Bk314159 (talk) 15:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Mistake in 2nd nomination for deletion
I have created a second deletion discussion for SaxonAir; I haven't done a 2nd nomination before and I have done something wrong, I cannot list it on the AfD log using the afd3 Template. YSSYguy (talk) 08:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Fairly similar to nominating any other page (see full instructions at AFD), it appears when you created the sub page for deletion this template instruction for AFD2;


 * was missed, I fixed it by adding the template to the page. The page name to list is the name of the article in that template so only SaxonAir. The third step AFD3, uses the name of the nomination page so in this case
 * NominationName would be; SaxonAir (2nd nomination)
 * The name of your AFD sub page. At any rate I’ve fixed this for you, so it should be listed now. The templates will automatically add the previous AFD discussions to the AFD sub page. Hope this helps, additional clarifications are most welcome here by other editors. Ottawa4ever (talk) 09:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The name of your AFD sub page. At any rate I’ve fixed this for you, so it should be listed now. The templates will automatically add the previous AFD discussions to the AFD sub page. Hope this helps, additional clarifications are most welcome here by other editors. Ottawa4ever (talk) 09:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Article-count by category
I'm looking for a tool to count the number of articles in the categories while EXCLUDING sub-categories from the count, anyone know of this or anything similar? 93.173.28.155 (talk) 10:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * A category page says "The following X pages are in this category, out of Y total." Is Y not what you want? The difference between X and the total Y is that Y may be too large to display on one page and then you have to click something to see more pages. Y does not include subcategories. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Essentially I would like a list of the categories by "real" size. I'm looking for something similar to Special:MostLinkedCategories (the page is still updated in the language I want this for) - only where sub-categories aren't calculated in the figures (or even better - have those in a seperate list, of categories by number of sub-categories). If there isn't something like this already, what would be the best way trying to figure out the numbers? Thanks in advance. 93.173.28.155 (talk) 12:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If you want a list of the largest categories in the English Wikipedia when only counting pages then I don't know a way. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Svick knows a lot about categories, you might try Svick's talk page-- SPhilbrick  T  01:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There used to be a Category of categories and it may still exist. I remember seeing it, thinking it was moderately cool and moving on.  The point is that the category somehow used PAGESINCAT to indicate how many pages were in each category.  That template may be something for you to investigate.  JimCubb (talk) 01:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It seems Special:Categories is the page you were referring to. Looking at it I found that the numbers are similar to the ones in Special:MostLinkedCategories - which means they include sub-categories as well, BUT, this did make me notice the little numbers next to the sub-categories listed in each category page, and, they do indeed show # of pages and # of sub-categories - seperately. Does anyone know how to get at THOSE numbers? Would I need to write some kinda bot? 93.173.28.155 (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * This information would be quite easy to get using the API. What language do you have in mind? Svick (talk) 17:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Either Java or JS (if it fits the task), but I've had a brief look at some of the libraries here and couldn't be sure which language/library would be best for this one specific task. Any suggestions? 46.116.151.53 (talk) 18:45, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * What I meant is which Wikipedia. From the post above, I assume it's not the English one. Svick (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The Hebrew wiki - he.wikipedia 46.116.151.53 (talk) 21:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The results are at he:User:Svick/Largest categories. The counts don't include subcategories (as you requested) and files (that could be changed easily). When I compared first few entries with he:Special:MostLinkedCategories, the category he:קטגוריה:ויקיפדיה: ערכים הדורשים השלמה isn't included in my list, but I don't understand why. Maybe it's a bug in MediaWiki. Svick (talk) 18:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

No Wikipedia symbol on map?
Help please - Wilson's School does not appear as a Wikipedia symbol on Google maps or on Wikihood for iPad, etc, yet I tried to ensure that all the proper geographical information is included in the article - well over a year ago in fact, so the various systems should have had time to catch up by now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricagambeda (talk • contribs) 15:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * See About the Google Earth Geographic Web Layer. The coordinates are in the Wilson's School article, albeit in an Infobox UK school template which then calls Coord. The vague and largely useless Google FAQ page does not say whether that would be a problem for Google Earth, since the FAQ says nothing about exactly what code Google is looking for when it scans a page. The HTML source code of the article shows a large ... tag which contains the geocoding data that Google presumably needs. You will have to ask the Google folks to explain what is wrong. --Teratornis (talk) 17:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Wiki instructions beyond my capacity to cope at the age of 80.
Thirty years ago, I was at the cutting edge of using electronic mail and publishing my professional writings. Today, at the age of 80, I cannot cope with the complexity of electronic communication and I feel cut off from participating in the important changes taking place on the planet. Would you kindly connect me with one single, simple place where I can continue to contribute citations to my publications that bear directly on the reference information you provide. You are doing a fabulous job, however I am not getting any younger and need help. Recently, I published an important paper on  nicestories.com    and would like to offer the citation to WIKI for your definition of bioregions. Hopefully, you can locate me from this communication and somehow connect me with a knowledgeable live person who can provide the help for this. My sincere thanks. (I would like to leave you a name or address, but understand your requests for anonymity). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.136.243 (talk) 18:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Email me at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Fred_Bauder Fred Talk 00:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Is this a weasel word?
The webOS article states:


 * Palm webOS is Palm's flagship mobile operating system running on the Linux kernel.

Isn't flagship a weasel word? Or at least a word that would be in an advertisement and not in a Wikipedia article?

--Mortense (talk) 19:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think so. I've changed "flagship" to "proprietary". -- John of Reading (talk) 06:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Redlinks question
If there are redlinks, should I removed the Wikilink part, and just leave it as a regular word? For example, BLAHBLANG to BLAHBANG. Endofskull (talk) 19:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You should usually keep the link or better yet, create an article. See Red link. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Article layout is messed up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumaranalloor
"random page" click led here, just thought you would be concerned.

regards

ps. thanks for your hard work people =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.33.189.205 (talk) 19:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks for the report. Endofskull (talk) 19:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

TV identitiy
who was the previous meterologist (weather man) prior to Spencer Christian on chanel 7, KGO-TV????thank you all very much, Rob Lowe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.246.238.111 (talk) 19:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

-- SPhilbrick  T  01:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Only road trip of Jerry Livingston at the Van Cleve Hotel in Dayton Ohio in 1940, where I took photos of the Orchestra the only pictures of the Road Trip
In 1940 Jerry Livingston was the Resident Orchestra at the Van Cleve Hotel in Dayton OH where I took the only photos taken on that road trip.

I can furnish two photos along with this story.

This was verified by his son and I would like you to tell me how to include photos, and whether you want them.

Lou Shornick (Redacted) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loushor1 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you would like to contribute the photographs to Wikipedia, please use this upload form to Wikimedia commons . It can then be inserted into the article using the following format: [[Image:thenameyoucalltheimage.png|thumb|right]] . Thanks. Claritas § 11:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I want to know how to make a new article.
How do I do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultimatewinxclubfan (talk • contribs) 21:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article. You might also look at How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:05, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Writing an article for Wikipedia is harder than many people realize. Even professional writers find that the format and style needed for a good encyclopedia article are different than what might be appropriate for other venues. You could:
 * * Get someone else to do it—If your only goal is to make sure that an article is added to Wikipedia, you can request that someone write an article on the subject.
 * * Start by editing other articles—If you are interested in becoming an editor at Wikipedia, our experience demonstrates that it is better to start by improving existing articles, which will help you get a sense of how this place works, and then you will be ready to write your first article from scratch. A good place to visit is the Wikipedia backlog, where there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles needing help from editors. Find an article in a subject area you know, and add a source, or a reference, or simply help write it better.
 * * Go ahead and try—If you do decide to write an article immediately, please read our policy on conflicts of interest, then read our guide to writing your first article, which will repeat some of the good advice above. Then please use the Article wizard, which will help you through the steps. I urge you to accept the option to save your first draft in your user subpage, which will reduce the chance your work will be deleted before it is ready.-- SPhilbrick  T  01:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)