Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 August 30

= August 30 =

Problem with image file
Could someone please take a look at Assignation_ruble? The image there refuses to load. What am I doing wrong? Here's the image in question. --Dyuku (talk) 00:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Try uploading the file to Commons. It should work from there. Bk314159 (talk) 00:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * And I thought it was already at Commons! :)
 * Is there an easy way to do this? --Dyuku (talk) 02:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Now I've finally figured out how to do it, but it wasn't easy! --Dyuku (talk) 03:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

United States presidential election, 1896
What's wrong with the lede spacing, and how can it be fixed on this page? Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I experimented a bit, and I was able to trace the problem down to the infobox. I then looked at the edit history for the infobox template, and found that a user made an edit yesterday to it. I undid their edit, and it looks like it corrected the problem. I'll get in touch with the editor to inform them about it. Thanks for bringing this up, ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 01:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Change company logo
How do I change the logo shown for a company's page on wikipedia? The logo shown for the company I work for is not the correct one and I would like to figure out how to change it to the current logo we use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.0.63 (talk) 01:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Logos usually have to be displayed as fair use and be uploaded to the English Wikipedia with an autoconfirmed account. If you post the article name and a link to the correct logo at the official company website then somebody here may be able to do the rest. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Pasta supremacy
I have noticed that there are not enough articles about pasta on Wikipedia, or they are sadly underdeveloped. I would encourage everyone to come together over the best of all foods. A Wikipedia without at least one featured article on a pasta dish is not a Wikipedia I want to be a part of. Pasta dissidents of the world unite! form of rigatoni, form of linguini; primavera shall be our motto and semolina shall be our saviour, as now as it ever was, pasta is your god and lo shall you suffer if you continue in your errant chef-boy-r-d ways. That is all. I hope I have given you some al dente things to chew over.--71.183.175.115 (talk) 03:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You have identified what you see as a problem. The next step is for you to fix the problem rather than talking about the problem.   GB  fan  04:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ... remembering of course that all the content of a Wikipedia article must be referenced from reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Caboddle Ranch in Florida... not on Wikipedia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax4v-ne0yPo&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.233.94.171 (talk) 07:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Before this cat rescue charity can be added to Wikipedia, you'll need to demonstrate that it is notable. To do this you will need to find reliable sources that are independent of the charity - typically, coverage in newspapers and such like. Links to youtube and to the charity's own website are not enough by themselves.
 * Some standard advice on creating an article follows:


 * You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article and How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Moving pages
Having read through WP:MOVE, I'm none the wiser. What's the policy on moving a page (such as a userspace draft) over an existing article? This diff of 28 August moved a user draft over an existing article. Not only did this lose some of the original content (infobox etc.) but the whole revision history before the history has gone. I'm not complaining about the new content – it's a great improvement – but I can't help but feel that such a major edit should be made so quickly. The summary given for the move was that it was a standard operation, but I've never really moved pages to anything other than non-existant pages – even as an admin. Regards, matt (talk) 09:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you wonder about an admin action then you can start by contacting the admin, for example at User talk:Bishonen. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear Matt, Clearly, PrimeHunter is right. You should be talking to the moving admin. Regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  13:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. I left a message on their talk page at about the same time as my one above, but thought I'd check here in case there's a policy or guideline I've missed.  Cheers, matt (talk) 15:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Delete of Userpage by OR or Webspace?
I did a discovery about Hadrians Wall that I would like to discuss with others on WP before a paper. I will create a userpage on it. Can I be sure that the userpage will not be deleted because OR or missuse of WP as webspace provider? That is crucial to know for me. Because a paper or book takes some time and any claim of priority would base on this page.

It may even be needed forever because it can contain much more original info then the paper or the WP article about it. And in WP it may last for longer then at any private site. In a paper I would like to link it too. For the webspace WP would provide (Scans total ca. 20 MB at Commons) it will get crucial source material and some media attention for free. What about it? -- 217.86.123.6 (talk) 11:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If it's not directly related to published information you intend to place in a wikipedia article it might be deleted. I would suggest contacting individual editors and making a note on an appropriate project page which links to another site. Others may disagree with me. --Torchwood Who? (talk) 12:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It will be related to a WP article and help to create one. But it shall contain more details and others shall decide what fit in an article and what shall stay on the userpage only. I would be too POV to decide. -- 217.86.123.6 (talk) 12:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Your purposes such as "claim of priority" and "get... some media attention for free" are not legitimate uses of Wikipedia; and you seem to already know that, since as you yourself point out these are violations of guidelines such as no original research and above all Wikipedia is not a webspace provider. If you want to publish your findings, then set up a website of your own; don't be a parasite on ours. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  12:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Or, others will completely agree with me. Bad move doing your project here. Have you tried google docs? It's both free and has collaborative editing tools.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 13:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. Sorry, but Wikipedia is not an appropriate place for what you want to do. See WP:NOTWEBSPACE as well as WP:OR. And your edits to the talkpage of Hadrian's Wall are also inappropriate, talk pages are not a forum where you can have a general discussion about the subject of the article. You asked for an Administrator's opinion, and you've got one now. There are other ways to do what you want, just not here. Dougweller (talk) 13:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Help with blank lines appearing above infobox
I have been playing around with Template:Infobox election/sandbox to change the way the previous/next election years are displayed. My changes are working in some cases but not others. Looking at the testcase examples at Template:Infobox election/testcases, some appear as intended whereas others have 13 blank lines above the infobox (as seen in testcases 3 and 7), but I cannot see what they have in common that is different from the others that work. I'm new to the coding used in tables and infoboxes (steep learning curve), but I have been through the section that I have edited with a fine tooth comb and cannot find where the problem lies. Can someone with more knowledge/experience with infoboxes please help! Thanks in advance. —sroc (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The techie pump is probably the best place to ask for assistance with an issue like this. – ukexpat (talk) 14:45, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked into this very deeply but two concerns I'm seeing are that you're mixing HTML table and MediaWiki table syntax, and probably more relevantly, that you don't have comments to prevent a line of whitespace being created every time a conditional is not satisfied. Although they probably shouldn't be, lines of whitespace inside tables (between the tags) sometimes translate to whitespace outside of tables.  Intelligent  sium  00:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I raised a similar concern, as I sure was confused: . Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Magog the Ogre, thanks for raising it. It was me that made the changes that inadvertently caused the error you saw, which was subsequently brought to my attention thanks to your efforts.  Much appreciated!
 * Intelligentsium, thanks for the comment. I inherited the mix of HTML and MediaWiki code from earlier versions, which has only added to the fun of understanding how it works.  What's interesting is that even after I have (I thought) copied the code from the current version of Template:Infobox election to Template:Infobox election/sandbox, the comparisons shown at Template:Infobox election/testcases still have a curious glitch in the same examples (3 and 7), this time being the "Previous President" and "President-elect" names at the bottom of the infobox are missing in the latter versions; oddly, it only affects cases where: (a) the nomclementure is "President"; and (b) the election is over (note example 9 shows "Incumbent President" and "President-elect" fine.
 * I shall investigate further and post to the techie pump if I cannot figure it out. Thanks for the tip, Ukexpat.  —sroc (talk) 11:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Import procedure
Hi, I didn't know about creating articles in the English Wikipedia translated from German articles, so I asked Modernist who recommended creating new (which I did before) and mentioning the fact in the talk page of the article (I only mentioned this in the edit history). I also asked the German specialists about the reasons for their procedure; they had long discussions about it before and maintain that otherwise the risk of copyright infringement is high (Ist dieses Verfahren sinnvoll?). They knew that the English Wikipedia has a similar practice: Requests for page importation, although not well known. They fear that the English Wikipedia has a high risk of vulnerability due to hidden copyright violation by not importing the history. The discussion page, they argue, may get lost for some reason. --Nobrook (talk) 13:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * This is the Help Desk for asking questions about using Wikipedia. If you are asking a question, can you make it clearer please? -- John of Reading (talk) 17:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know if this helps, but there is a template you are supposed to put on the talk page of translated articles:  . This creates a link back to the original article, where the histories (and discussion) can be found. In this way the histories are "included" in the new article for legal copyright purposes and the copyright problem is avoided. Of course, only a German speaker can read the histories of the original article, but this is OK for legal coverage. Herostratus (talk) 02:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The question is about the right procedure; see User_talk:Modernist and User_talk:Nobrook (question/Help desk). Obviously, there are different opinions. In Germany, I'm told, we did as advised by Modernist until 2006/2007 (copy-method), but now they use and insist on the import procedure. I used the copy method first for transfers in opposite direction, from German to English, and tried the English import version next; both are fine with me. Obviously, English/American collaborators tolerate both methods. Now how about legal threats allegedly inherent in the copy method, avoided by the import solution? Maybe nobody cares; I certainly don't as all text inserted by me is created by me. To clarify my argument: I used the term discussion page where I should have used talk page; so the argument is that the content of the talk page may be lost due to some reason. Otherwise the template would be great and just fine. --Nobrook (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I NEED AN SVG FILE OF BRADYCARDIA ECG.
File : Tachycardia ECG paper .svg has several ECG's by Madhero88 of various types of cardiac problems - but not of BRADYCARDIA. There is an image of an ECG by someone else but the format is different. Is it possable to contact Madhero and ask him to add an ECG tracing in the same format as the tracing in "File : Tachycardia ECG paper .svg". This is evey important to me.

Thank you.......DF...............

161.185.151.150 (talk) 13:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You could try asking on Madhero's talk page, but it looks as if that editor is taking a break from Wikipedia.
 * Can you make your request clearer so that another editor can help?
 * Are you asking for a picture expert to reformat File:Lead II rhythm generated sinus bradycardia.JPG as an SVG file?
 * Are you asking for a cardiology expert to provide an SVG file that looks like File:Tachycardia ECG paper.svg but illustrates Bradycardia instead of Tachycardia?
 * -- John of Reading (talk) 17:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I messed up checkuser
Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pastorwayne - Kittybrewster &#9742;  13:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * TN X Man 13:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Your case is now open at Sockpuppet investigations/Pastorwayne - please add your evidence there. TN X Man  13:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Kittybrewster &#9742;  14:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I WISH TO   HAVE   LIST   OF   FORMER   CHIEF  JUSTICES  OF   SUPREME  COURT  OF  INDIA   WITH  PRESENT   CONTACT  ADDRESSES,TELEPHONE NUMBER  AND  E MAIL  ID
Dear Sirs,

We  the   Members/ Managing  Committee   of   Forum   For  Fast  Justice   request  you   to  please  provide  us  with  all-inclusive  list  of  Former  Honorable  Chief  Justice  of   The  Supreme  Court  of  India. We would  like  to  have  The  Names  of  Former  Chief  Justice  of   Supreme  Court  of  India  with  their  Present  communication  addresses, Telephone  Numbers, E  mail  ids   etc. The  reason  is   we  wish  to  send  them  invitation  to  inaugurate   Convention  to  be  held  on  January  22  &  23 , 2011   at  Mumbai. Expecting  your  co-operation   for  the  Noble   Cause. With warm  regards Kashyap Vyas Managing Committee  Member   And  Life  Patron Member  of  Janhit  Manch, Vile-Parle(west),Mumbai. Website :- http://www.janhitmanch.org/ Member of   Advisory  Council   of  Forum  For  Fast  Justice, Vile-Parle ,Mumbai. Website :-   http://www.fastjustice.org/ Member of  The   All  India  Human  Rights  & Citizen  Option, Kandivalee(west),Mumbai. Member of Amnesty International For promoting and upholding human rights around the  world! Member of  JAGO   PARTY  ;  New  Delhi  And  Secunderabad  weblink :- http://www.jago.in/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Citizensvigilancefoum (talk • contribs) 14:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. TN X Man  14:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

A question on the right way to promote any wp-project site
Hi guys. I generally answer questions on and off out here at the Help Desk. I had one of mine and thought I'll slip in a query here. Just wanted to know what would be the appropriate method to generate participation of editors in any Wikipedia Project one creates... Thanks in advance for the answers. Best regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  14:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a suggestion, look at the related articles and find the active editors and drop them a note. MilborneOne (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with MilborneOne's advice. You've been around long enough that you are probably familiar with Canvassing, however, some people erroneously think there is a general prohibition against canvassing. That's not strictly true, it would be better to say that canvassing can be done properly improperly. You didn't mention the subject of the project, but if it is closely related to another project, it might make sense to post a notice at that project and/or contact some of the active members of that project. It might also be appropriate to post a general notice at WP:VPM-- SPhilbrick  T  17:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys for the answers. Will do what you mention. Regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  08:36, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

how to flag neutrality issues in article for other editors
Hi - if an article has "good article" standing but overall it appears to adopt a favorable point of view on the subject it discusses by creating straw man arguments to debunk criticism or avoiding spelling out criticisms of the subject, is there a way to flag the overall article for neutrality review? I've seen this done with other articles but am unsure of how and when this is appropriate. The comments on the talk page suggest that other editors have noted certain biases in the article as well but the overall article and the talk page comments suggest that the issues have not been fully addressed. Lpe21 (talk) 19:07, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, generally you can add to the top of the article. However, if you had a certain article in mind, we may be able to give you more specific advice.  TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  20:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

DVD purchase
Hi,

Thank you ever so much. After years of searching for the 1953 film of Albert RN I have found it.

I had the privalage of caring for John Worsley before he died. Brilliant man.

Now how can I purchase the DVD and how much?

I now live in Florida. Look forward to hearing from you.

Gloria DuVerney —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.135.16 (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia. We don't sell DVDs here, or, indeed, anything else. To search for a supplier for a particular DVD I suggest you try Google or such like. Best of luck. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

a new article
hi my names Andy i used to be in a band called memory we were a fairly small band kind of an underground following not major but good enough we were signed and i was wondering how to make an article about us because if we were on here i think we could start recording again by getting our name back out there we were let go from the record company because we didnt have enough fans and we werent that popular —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andym18 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, in order to have an article on Wikipedia, a band must already be notable. This is not the place to gain a fan base. Xenon54 (talk) 00:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)