Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 August 5

= August 5 =

Colorado will not load, but most other's will
Colorado will not load for me on MSN 9 or Internet Explorer 8 also searching Colorado does not help.

I get "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" page instead.

BionicWilliam (talk) 02:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Loads fine for me. IE. 8.0.7600.16385 on Windows 7 Pro 64-bit. Could you give us a bit more information about your system/setup? Also, can you disable all add-ons in IE8 and see if this still happens? "click Tools from the Command bar and select Manage Add-ons  from the drop-down menu. From this menu you can view and manage a list of different Add-on Types you've got installed in the browser. ... highlight the one you wish to [change, and] ... select Disable if you wish to leave it installed but make it inactive. " Ref: Microsoft.com - Internet Explorer 8: Help and support Also, can you link any other pages you're having trouble with, if any? Avic enna sis @ 04:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

For Internet Explorer: 8.0.6001.18702 For MSN 09: 9.60.0053.2200 Computer: Compaq Pesario operating system: Windows XP Media Center Edition Version 5.1: Service Pack 3 BionicWilliam (talk) 04:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I sometimes have trouble with Colorado Springs and Denver BionicWilliam (talk) 05:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's only because of two facts occurring together: (a) Your IP connection is slow (b) You don't have "Automatic Image Resizing" checked in the multimedia settings (in older versions, it would be equivalent to 'unchecking' the option of "open the website only after downloading all images"). Go to Tools->Options->Advanced->Multimedia and check all the boxes under Multimedia. If your IP is very slow, you could actively consider either 'unchecking' the box under Multimedia which mentions, 'Download images'. Or of course, you could jump over to Chrome; will solve many of your download issues without any effort. Warm regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  05:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I checked all boxes under Multimedia, didn't work BionicWilliam (talk) 05:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Check once with Chrome. Warm regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  05:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And of course, in case you do not wish to test the page with Chrome, do kindly go to Microsoft's official support page that provides you the support for the exact symptoms you are describing here. Warm regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  05:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I download Chromeand it works, wierd BionicWilliam (talk) 05:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. Enjoy the experience of editing on Wikipedia. Regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  06:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder why I only works on Chrome not IE, I also wonder why all other articles work and not Colorado? BionicWilliam (talk) 06:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not just with Colorado. Some other articles also face a similar fate in IE. If you've attempted low level programming, you'll be able to understand that while IE is perchance the safest browser, the add ons it carries as baggage enforces delay lags that create such occasional situations. The corollary is that Chrome, while fast, might not qualify on some browsing safety features. There are low level fixes we could send to you to fix IE. However, you should perhaps continue this discussion at Reference_desk/Computing for exhaustive replies. Warm regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  06:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Team Kit Editing
I've edited and uploaded an image to use it in designing a team kit for Al Wasl FC the image is to be placed on the body as a pattern on the shirt, these lines are the one i used for designing..

this is the file I uploaded

the line:  |pattern_b = _Kit_body_wasl   , iswhere i'm finding difficulty S3EED (talk) 08:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC) Wifione, I want to know how to put the file I uploaded to be a pattern of the shirt's body. S3EED (talk) 10:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear S3EED, what would you wish assistance in?  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  08:35, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Is this what you want:
 * All I did was change _Kit_body_wasl to _wasl. The template adds _Kit_body in front of the name. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks alot PrimeHunter :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by S3EED (talk • contribs) 11:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

How to edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Beer_vessels_and_serving ?
After "F" should follow "G", under which "Growlers" should appear. I'm not sure how to do this. I would like to. Could someone step me through it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.111.70.109 (talk)
 * Growlers are mentioned in the Beer bottle article ...that is listed in Category:Beer vessels and serving...Moxy (talk) 15:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Categories are only for Wikipedia articles and Growler (bottle) doesn't have its own article (Growler is a disambiguation page), so it cannot be added to a category. See more at Help:Category. It would be technically possible to create a redirect from Growler (bottle) to Beer bottle and then add the redirect to Category:Beer vessels and serving, but it would not be appropriate categorization when the target article of the redirect is already there. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Rollback rights
It wouldn't be OK if I used my rollback rights at my sandbox, just to see for myself what would happen if I used them on an article, correct? Also, I need help here.  MR.   Pre  Z  15:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You can rollback yourself all you like in the sandbox. Better to test it here though, as you can't use rollback if you're the only contributor to a page. See also this information page. Best, Peter Symonds ( talk ) 15:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not an administrator, would it still be OK to rollback myself there? Also, could you help me on my Twinkle question here?  MR.   Pre  Z  18:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you may rollback yourself there.  Goodvac   ( talk ) 18:55, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  MR.   Pre  Z  16:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

When does a correct-the-following banner disappear?
Hello. A banner was placed at the beginning of the reference section of an article I helped edit. It encouraged making changes to several entries so that they would follow more closely the Wikipedia style guide. These changes were made a couple of months ago but the banner still sits there. Do I have to request that it be suppressed or is it done automatically every, say, six months?. Thanks. Zimmermann 16:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barcolongo (talk • contribs)
 * Most maintenance tags are not removed automatically. They are added by editors and they can be removed by any editor, including you.  If you feel the issue(s) in the tag have been addressed, you may remove it at any time, as long as you explain why you are removing it either in the edit summary or on the article's talk page.  For more information, please see Tagging pages for problems.  --Mysdaao talk 16:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Article history separated from moved article
The article Methodist was recently moved from Methodism, but the person who moved it did so in a way that kept the history of both the article and the talk page at Methodism. Is there any way to move the history to the new article? Ltwin (talk) 17:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've listed this at Cut and paste move repair holding pen - I think the article was"moved" by cut and paste, which is a repairable problem. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've undone the copy/paste "move". If such a move is to be made, it needs to be brought to WP:RM and gain consensus, which I doubt will be forthcoming in this case, as we don't normally use adjectives as article titles—cf. Catholicism. I see that the editor who did this botched move also has done the same thing at Presbyterianism and perhaps elsewhere, so I'll go deal with those now and warn the editor. Deor (talk) 19:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There might be a bit of history merging to be done, so don't be surprised if an admin comes along from the bullpen. I've no idea if the edits after the first cut and paste are more than trivial, but the letter of the GFDL requires that we maintain a record of who did what. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I've handled most of the problem, but I need a passing admin to move Talk:Methodist/Archive 1 back to Talk:Methodism/Archive 1 over the redirect. (If one doesn't do so soon, I'll take the matter to WP:RM as an uncontroversial move.) The edits made to Talk:Methodist are in the history of the redirect that's now there. I've reverted the edits to the Methodism/Methodist articles that were made after the "move", but they're still in the respective histories. Deor (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Move completed, let me know if I broke anything. TN X Man  20:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. Ltwin (talk) 21:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Automatic Archiving
Dear Wikipedians! Does an automatic archiving exist here in the Wikipedia, what depends on the Template:Done ? So that, for example, ten days after setting 'done' the section will be archived automatically. Or exists here anything similar? Doc Taxon (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * See the links under WP:EIW. I've never set up automatic archiving myself, but the instructions are all there. --Teratornis (talk) 18:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Page Deletion Question
Hi all, on July 31 the Page "Barb Higgins" was deleted for the reason (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content), when I looked into the history the explanation left was: "Mayoral candidates and local news anchors are not automatically notable just because they exist." This page refers to the frontrunner in a mayoralty election in the province's largest city (http://www.globaltvcalgary.com/Calgarians+putting+their+support+behind+upcoming+Civic+Election/3337533/story.html). My opinion would be that this would be sufficient for notability based on all the guidelines I have read. Additionally, as the Mayoral election approaches voters will be looking to Wikipedia for information on the candidates, and many of the others have active pages. Also, if she wins, which appears likely, I would think Wikipedia should have a well developed municipal politics page on her, and using the 80 days between now and the election to allow users to improve that page seems to also be within guidelines. Can anyone provide a perspective on this to help me understand? Lola60311 (talk) 17:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The deletion stated that the ARTICLE did not state why the person was notable. It did not state that the person is not notable.  It is a common mistake to make a page about something and forget to explicitly state why it is notable. --  k a i n a w &trade; 17:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. How can I retrieve the work done on the page, address the notability question and bring it back from deletion? Lola60311 (talk) 17:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Why was my page deleted? (WP:AFTERDELETE), item 6. --Teratornis (talk) 18:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles...
I see this same message given as a response to tons of different questions that don't really belong on the Help Desk. Is it a template that has been subst-ed, or do you Help Desk regulars simply copy/paste it from the last time that someone used it? Nyttend (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Astray. --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * See also Help_desk/How_to_answer —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Almost all templates have a comment at the end saying such. For example, if you were to on a page somewhere, then re-edit the page so you can see the edit window, you will see  at the end of it. :) Avic enna sis @ 20:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There are also some templates (that are always subst-ed) that use another template for tracking purposes. See for an example.  TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  20:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, makes sense. Avicennasis, I never thought to try to edit one of these sections to find such a message, although perhaps I should have; I've noticed such comments on the vandalism warning templates.  And thanks, TNXMan, for the link; I've never encountered this series of templates before.  Nyttend (talk) 21:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Inappropriately aligned image
My problem is as following: I got a article where are two infoboxes for two persons. When I tried to insert an image in the article (not in the infobox!) it aligned itself with the beginning line of the second infobox.

This is how I want it to be (right below the title)(in the link): The way I want it to be... I also added a red line so it would be better to understand!

This is how I don't want it to be (it's not right below the title)(in the link): The way I don't want it to be... I also added a red line so it would be better to understand!

I'd appreciate it, if you could help me!--88.196.177.222 (talk) 21:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It would help a lot of you could provide a link to the actual page you are editing. -- k a i n a w &trade; 22:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The page is ee:Vennad Wrightid. The picture is gone at present. 68.98.136.85 (talk) 22:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The page on en.wiki that you say you wish to copy is Wright brothers; that section uses a template double image to align the two photos side by side. --AndrewHowse (talk) 22:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There is no ee:Vennad Wrightid. Do you mean et:Vennad Wrightid? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:38, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * yes, I did. i was replying quickly and I knew Estonia's ccTLD is .ee, so I wrongly assumed that estonian was ee as well. 68.98.136.85 (talk) 02:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes the website is at et:Vennad Wrightid - I took the picture down because it wasn't the way I wanted it to be. Btw I didn't ask about the double image template, I asked about aligning it properly - read the full post. I wanted the picture to be right below the title (check the images), but the image aligned itself with the second infobox's beginning line. Help me, I got no solutions left.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.177.222 (talk) 09:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Your question wasn't very clear to me. I have just tried inserting an image at the beginning of the 2nd section (Lapsepõlv) and at least in preview it works fine; it doesn't align with the 2nd infobox. Did you add the image link at the very beginning of the text? --AndrewHowse (talk) 14:00, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I looked at every edit in the page history and didn't find an attempt to add a picture outside the infoboxes. Anyway, two infoboxes below eachother is unusual and I wouldn't be suprised if it influenced the placement of other elements. Does it really matter? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I didn't try to add it, because when I checked the preview I saw a problem, and why would I add something that isn't placed correctly? And yes, it does matter. It's not like I can't only add that picture, that problem exists with every picture. Two infoboxes together is unusual, but when it's about the Wright brothers then there's no choice. So please, if anyone could help, thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.177.222 (talk) 13:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I also tested in preview like AndrewHowse and it looked fine. I don't get your "why would I add something that isn't placed correctly?" Do you realize how much things can move around in different browsers, text sizes, window sizes, screen resolutions, etc.? If you want more help then please save your edit so we can see which code you use, where you place it, and how it looks in our browsers. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I saved the article with one image in it. In Chrome and FireFox they are not directly below the title. In IE it's there where I want it to be. Yes I know that on different browsers it's different. You can now take a look at the code. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.177.222 (talk) 18:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * (outdent) Thanks. The English Wikipedia has Fix bunching which fixed the problem while I previewed tests with two infoboxes here by placing before the first infobox,  between them and  after the second. I don't know Estonian and Fix bunching does not have an interlanguage link to Estonian. I copied the source to et:Kasutaja:PrimeHunter/Sandbox and previewed et:Vennad Wrightid with  and so on as described above. This solved the problem. Maybe you can look for an Estonian equivalent of Fix bunching or create one by copying from the source. Don't use my userspace copy in an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I probably wouldn't have figured it out myself. Thanks again PrimeHunter! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.177.222 (talk) 19:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)