Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 December 12

= December 12 =

Signature issues
Hi, I've been trying to change my signature. I'm trying to get it to look like this: T he A rbiter  Talk

But, I keep getting the "Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags." I have been trying many things to tweak it, but it's not working. Here's the code. T he A rbiter Talk

Please help. Thanks! The Arbiter (talk) 00:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The closing tags should be, not . Does that help? --AndrewHowse (talk) 01:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I changed it, but it still doesn't work. This is what it is now:

T he A rbiter Talk

But it still doesn't work. The Arbiter  ★★★  02:28, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you try enclosing the font size argument in double quotes? viz. --AndrewHowse (talk) 03:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That should do it. Remember to do it for both 3px. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! It works now! T he A rbiter Talk  18:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Disappearing Tabs
When I opened wikipedia today the tabs at the top of the pages to search, log in, view discussion, edit page were all missing. This only seems to be the case with English wikipedia, but as I'm monolingual that isn't much comfort. I supposed I must have accidentally altered the settings somehow. Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.6.75 (talk) 00:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This is a new feature of Wikipedia. It's called Now You See It Now You Don't. Seriously, my assumption is it's related to the problems reported in earlier sections about missing Search boxes. It seems to be happening with enough frequency to enough people that maybe it should be reported (?).--Bbb23 (talk) 01:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawoodi_Bohra
The above article is a self-congratulatory type. It does not tell about cruel coercion used for collecting various taxes/money. The Dai never gives any account and tells Imam, who is in seclusion for several hundred years, only can ask account. Using social boycott of dissidents, all opposition is smashed. Dissidents have been murdered also. Dawoodi Bohra practice genital mutilation of seven year old girls as a rite of passage. They make women isolated for four month when her husband dies irrespective of her age for determining if she was pregnant. At present time pregnancy can be checked by a simple test; however the Dai forces Bohras to ancient practice. Bohras portray themselves as pragmatic but they act as slaves of the Dai and act like that.

I do not know where to comment this article. It must be thoroughly revised as to give correct information. Struggles of reform within the sect also must be mentioned. The article should mention about reform Bohra movement in details — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoshanSafar (talk • contribs) 03:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The place to comment is on the article's talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 04:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Also see: WP:SOFIXIT. -- Bk314159 (Talk to me and find out what I've done) 17:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Background image
Hello there; how can I replace WP's background image (see the bottom-left on this screenshot)? I have a nifty little CSS tool (extension for chrome) but it doesn't seem to be able to change it's color or to hide it (I presume it's normal since it's an image and the background). I just want to get rid of the ugly white part. Thanks - [Charlie Echo Tango]  03:36, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

New Webcast & Website Links for Radio Stations
If I notice a new Listen Live link or website for a radio station, how do I know when to add it into a Wikipedia page? In other words, the page might get reverted back because my updates might have been in violation of some policies I might have overlooked. In the future, what should I do if I notice a brand new webcast or website link for a radio station? How do I alert the Wikipedia community so that perhaps someone who is more skilled and experienced at the art of Wikipedia page writing could apply the updates for me? And, also, are Facebook pages always off limits in the Wikipedia world? 98.229.132.126 (talk) 06:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * For the link to the new webcast/website, you can ask on the talk page of the article you think it belongs on. The editors that normally work on the article will be able to tell you whether they belive it belongs on the page.  As far as Facebook, they are not always offlimits.  The only ones that should be normally linked in an article are those that are official Facebook pages of the subject of the article.  Hope this answers your questions.   GB  fan  06:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Linking to a radio station's official website, as you did at WNYN-FM, is always welcome. An official website such as http://www.kiss102.com/ is normally preferred over a facebook group.  Asking at an article's talk page is a good idea for important or popular articles, but for an article on a small radio station such as WXXS it's possible that no-one will see your question.  A centralised place for asking about linking is the External Links Noticeboard.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 13:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

What Is The Template For "moving a user page into mainspace"?
What is the template for "moving a user page into mainspace"?199.126.224.245 (talk) 06:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You posted without being logged in so we don't know which page it is and the circumstances are not clear but you may be looking for  mentioned at So you made a userspace draft. Please don't post help requests at multiple boards. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Wasn't there a template message in the past that one could use that would indicate the page was an essay that I wanted to move to mainspace?199.126.224.245 (talk) 07:11, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * That's what  does. See the message at Template:AFC submission/submit. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * If you did create a userspace draft and you want it reviewed you can post a request to Requests for feedback.  GB  fan  06:28, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

SUBMISSION OF CITATION
Hello,

My Grand Father Dr.F.A.Khan considered as father of Archaelogy (Pakistan) did many greatest works during his life.I Wish to submit the citation in his favour by other prominent scholar Dr.Ahmed Hasan Dani.

I wish his citation will be published

Regards,

Syed Muhammad Hasan Qutb Karachi,Pakistan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.123.56 (talk) 06:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello,
 * I'm not certain that I understand your question, but the only things Wikipedia publishes are encyclopedia articles. One person's commendation of another could not serve as an article as it would not meet the expected standard of neutrality.  We do have a list of alternative outlets; perhaps one of these would be more suitable?
 * Regards,
 * Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you are asking that an article be created, there may to be sufficient reliable sources available to create an article, such as some listed here, but Wikipedia works by users who are interested in a topic being bold and creating articles themselves, citing to such reliable sources and generally, people like you who have a confliuct of interest with the subject matter, should not do so. You can request that an article be made at Requested articles/Biographies, though there's no guarantee it will be acted upon.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Whom should be notified of potential breaking of mass numbers of FactFinder references
Please pass this on to someone that can watch over this major change of FactFinder at U.S. Census Bureau. See my comment at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_Census_Bureau#New_FactFinder_Might_Break_Links_In_Wikipedia.3F Sbmeirow (talk) 06:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If the links are not yet broken you can archive them at a site such as WebCite and add the archive links via the  parameter to citation templates such as Cite web. There might be a bot program that can hunt down all the links and archive them automatically. --Teratornis (talk) 07:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Everything is working fine at this point; the problem is some months down the road, so we should have plenty of time to use a web archive. Nyttend (talk) 19:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

How can I donate I dont have Credit card
I am It Support guy, and wouldlike make some contribution , however donthave a credit card or paypal .....cant wiki stup an option for debit cards?/

< > —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.237.141.237 (talk) 10:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I have redacted your email because this is a highly visible page.  GB  fan  10:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your interest in donating. There is a list of ways to donate at this page.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 13:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Contents of my talk page as a list !
Hi, Could you please show me the way to see the contents of my talk page as a list ? There is not a list at the beginning of my talk page. Thanks. In fact (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It isn't showing becaus eyou only have 2 headers on your talk page. According to WP:TOC it will automatically show up when you have more than 3 headers.  You can force a table of contents by adding  at the top of your talk page.   GB  fan  10:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much. In fact (talk) 10:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedian Categories
I have chosen some of them in my page, but I could not find all I wanted. What shall I do ? In fact (talk) 11:52, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I found it myself. Thanks anyway ! In fact (talk) 12:28, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

On psychology
I read the article on Reflex Action posted by Prakash on February 12, 2010 as also the article on Defence mechanism. After reading the articles what I wanted to find out was, are the Freudian psychomalitic theory comprising the elements of Id, Superego and Ego capable of negating the inborn reflex action mechanism? In a sample study, I found the reflex activity is near nil! How was it possible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.87.116 (talk) 12:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You might want to ask this at the Reference desk. THis page is for questions about how to use Wikipedia.   GB  fan  12:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Please can Wiki stop the begging spam at the top ove EVERY page !!!!???????
It's puttiong me right off - seeing that face everytime I want to check something out. Please Jimmy Wales - stop begging - you have made your site into an annoying spamming bit of rubbish. I'll have to find a different site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.173.206 (talk) 12:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Click the x in the upper right hand corner and it goes away or you can create a username and log in, then you can permanently shut it off.  GB  fan  12:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I find it annoying as well but its how we make our money. When you don't earn yourself, you have to beg.  Anyways in a few weeks it should be gone for another year.  Them  From  Space  12:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, its "how we make our money" to allow you to drop by and check something out whenever you want for free. A hideable transient glaring Jimmy sure beats a constant permanent stream of ads all year. DMacks (talk) 12:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

"Please Jimmy Wales - stop begging - you have made your site into an annoying spamming bit of rubbish. I'll have to find a different site." That's certainly a very nice thing to say about a site that provides you access to all this information for free, without advertising. You might not have thought about it, but keeping Wikipedia active actually costs money. All that server space and network access doesn't just drop down from the heavens. And besides, Jimmy Wales has to eat and stuff. Good luck finding any other site that does all this for free, without advertising. If you ever find one, please make sure to mention it here. J I P &#124; Talk 19:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As with any site on the Web, Wikipedia cannot be all things to all people at all times. In fact, Wikipedia explicitly claims not to be lots of things. That's why the Web has more than one site. Those who dislike Wikipedia and cannot find a way to change it should visit other sites. Those who like Wikipedia the way it is should not be bothered if some of the world's 6.8 billion people don't share their preference. Incidentally, one way to remove the fundraising banners from Wikipedia would be to donate enough money to make them redundant. --Teratornis (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Use of Photos
I am stumped. I've searched FAQ and a myriad of Wiki Help pages and can't figure this out:

I have had 2 photos deleted that I have received from the photographer. The photographers do not have Wikipedia accounts nor do they want to so the idea of having them upload the photos themselves to the Ayurveda page is not in the cards. I have e-mail traffic that authorizes such use. What do I have to do to get these accepted? I'm frustrated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whysosirius (talk • contribs) 15:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you read the directions at this page? There is an email address to which you can send proof that the photos can be released under the Creative Commons license. TN X Man  15:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also this page might help Donating copyrighted materials  GB  fan  15:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Follow the procedure at Commons:COM:OTRS to document the authors' permission. --Teratornis (talk) 22:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Preventing Libel on Wikipedia
To Whom It May Concern:

We have been fighting desperately and tirelessly to simply remove the slander and libel that plagues the our Wikipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Tulip_(2010_film)

The article is completely unjust and there is a very obvious vindictive effort being made to damage the film's reputation when considering the lack of objective information provided. Since we do not have the time or ability to properly edit this page again and again, I am going to outline several facts with credible sources which I hope you will add to the page instead of ignore and delete, like whoever has for the past several months. Wikipedia should stand for providing objective information and I am going to provide it to you now. If whoever controls the page does not heed and update the page with this information, we will have to pursue you legally on the grounds of defamation and libel.

1. The film is not American. It has an entirely Afghan cast with an Afghan Director, Writer, Producer and a sparse American crew. Sonia Cole is a dual-citizen of Afghanistan and the USA. Since she directed, produced, co-wrote, acted and financed the film and is an Afghan citizen, while you have no proof of the contrary, creative control of the motion picture was, is and has been largely in the hands of citizens or residents of Afghanistan. It was Afghanistan's official entry, making it an Afghan film. The source you provide to the contrary "TheWrap.com" is not an official or legitimate source and the link provided: "http://www.thewrap.com/awards/column-post/academy%27s-foreign-language-field-sports-65-entries-21680" is dead and leads to nowhere, thus further discrediting it as a source since no source even exists.

2. The term "Beverly Hills socialite" is degrading and an inaccurate representation of Sonia Cole, who spent several months in Afghanistan risking her life to make a film, as evidenced by several of the articles already cited on the page. The source used for this statement is also irrelevant and does not concern the film. She is a filmmaker and philanthropist, which is not a statement that glorifies her, it simply states the truth. "Beverly Hills socialite" is a term more conducive to a housewife who attends glamorous parties in Los Angeles, not someone who makes films in war zones where several sources clearly indicate her life being in danger.

3. The film was not rejected by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences as a possible submission for the 83rd Academy Awards in the category of "Foreign Language Film" and there is no source provided to prove it. The film was accepted as a late submission which can be verified by calling the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences at (310) 247-3000. A screening date is set for the Foreign Language Film committee on January 10th, 2010. The source provided to the contrary "TheWrap.com" is not an official or legitimate source and the link provided: "http://www.thewrap.com/awards/column-post/academy%27s-foreign-language-field-sports-65-entries-21680" is dead and leads to nowhere, thus further discrediting it as a source since no source even exists.

4. The plot is inaccurate, in that it avoids what is indicated on IMDb and the official website, which are both listed as sources on the page already. Citing two articles does not adequetly capture the plot or due it justice.

5. The production paragraph makes absolutely no effort to present both sides and takes a very malicious stance. One of the statements ""the women ran off somewhere in "Pakistan," never to be seen again."" is nowhere to be found in the cited article.

6. The following statement is also false: ""As reported by the Times, according to Cole, the film's cinematographer, a producer and a set designer had all abandoned her "in the middle of production." The New York Times corrected the item noting that Cole had made that statement and not the Times and that in fact the crew had remained through most of the dangerous film shoot"". The underlined last sentence is false and even the article and further statements on the page indicate it is. It was only the set designer who left 4 days before the end of the shoot, while one of the producers and the initial cinematographer DID leave in the middle of the shoot. No attribution in the article or anywhere else indicates anything else, so this claim cannot be made credibly. The cinematographer is quoted himself in the article confirming that he did leave in the middle of production.

7. In the release section it indicates "The film has not been released anywhere in the world" is another completley false statement. Even the Wikipedia page itself says the release date was "September 23rd, 2010" which is correct. Another obvious indication of libel.

8. In the release section it indicates ""However, the film was submitted for and rejected by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences as a possible submission for the long list of foreign films to qualify for consideration for the 83rd Academy Awards in the category of "Foreign Language Film"" is another completley false statement. It was Afghanistan's official entry, making it an Afghan film. The film was not rejected by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences as a possible submission for the 83rd Academy Awards in the category of "Foreign Language Film" and there is no source provided to prove it. The film was accepted as a late submission which can be verified by calling the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences at (310) 247-3000. The source you provide to the contrary "TheWrap.com" is not an official or legitimate source and the link provided: "http://www.thewrap.com/awards/column-post/academy%27s-foreign-language-field-sports-65-entries-21680" is dead and leads to nowhere, thus further discrediting it as a source since no source even exists.

9. In the release section it indicates ""Among other qualifications regarding eligibility, the Academy's rules governing the foreign language field state that "creative control of the motion picture must be largely in the hands of citizens or residents of that country." Cole, an Afghan expatriate, has been a citizen and resident of the United States for more than three decades. Financing of the film came from Cole, and the majority of the film's core crew were Americans"" is another slanderous and misleading statement considering that Sonia Cole is a dual-citizen of Afghanistan and the USA. Since she directed, produced, co-wrote, acted and financed the film and is an Afghan citizen, while you have no proof of the contrary, creative control of the motion picture was, is and has been largely in the hands of citizens or residents of Afghanistan. It was also Afghanistan's official entry, making it an Afghan film.

10. In the reception section, the statement ""Afghan attendees at the film's premiere in Kabul told a New York Times reporter that the film departed from Afghan mores and realities when it depicted an Afghan man kissing a woman's face through her head-to-toe burqa, and Coalition forces and Taliban fighters spending time in an Afghan cafe (either at the same time or separately). Afghan attendees at the movie's premier in Kabul told a New York Times reporter that the film didn't depict the Afghanistan that they know and are familiar with. Amin Mokhtar, an employee of the Afghan Film Organization, balked at a funeral scene, in which mourners threw handfuls of earth into the graves, not an Afghan practice, he said. “The director and workers grew up in America and don’t know much about Afghan culture, that is the point,” Mr. Mokhtar said."" is only using one article as a source, which is not an adequate or fair method of indicating reception. Considering that the journalist is disgruntled for not getting the Black Tulip story initially, and the individual quoted was an actor who was refused a part in the movie, the sources become even less credible and more biased.

11. In the See Also section, the following Wikipedia articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submissions_to_the_83rd_Academy_Awards_for_Best_Foreign_Language_Film#cite_note-the_wrap-4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Afghan_submissions_for_the_Academy_Award_for_Best_Foreign_Language_Film

The statements made about Black Tulip in these articles are also false. The film was not rejected by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences as a possible submission for the 83rd Academy Awards in the category of "Foreign Language Film" and there is no source provided to prove it. The film was accepted as a late submission which can be verified by calling the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences at (310) 247-3000. A screening date is set for the Foreign Language Film committee on January 10th, 2010. The source you provide to the contrary "TheWrap.com" is not an official or legitimate source.

If you stand for justice and believe that Wikipedia is about providing objective information, you will help make the changes necessary to remove this aforementioned slander.

Thank You,

Chris A. Cole Co-Producer, Black Tulip Breadwinner Productions www.breadwinnerfilms.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.250.12.122 (talk) 19:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps if you had taken all this to the talk page you would be more successful. For what it's worth, I have put a link to this discussion there. Also, you have a huge conflict of interest and so should not be editing the article. — Half  Price  20:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, but I have made a number of changes to the article in an attempt to clean it up and make sure that what it says is supported by reliable sources. Still needs some more work.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:38, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest copying this over to the article talk page. There has been no attempt to resolve it there so it is too early to ask for outside intervention just yet.  Now the issues have been articulated the editors might be able to get somewhere. Betty Logan (talk) 08:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Done.  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

cable leaks
where are the leaks on cheney, rumsfeld, and bush. and who on earth is strong enough to prosecute these bastards, I am an American and was back room prosecuted for cussing out the head of Military Enlistment after he provoked me telling me he would see my son was put in harms way. i spoke against the war and was immediately prosecuted under the Patriot Act for speaking against Bush. I was not allowed to speak in court. Noone can speak in court in america, anymore, the justice system has been hijacked from the people as the press nad freedom has !! could you please issue a call for the world to prosecute these bastards, as all Americans do not spport the current dictatorship ! please call for the world to prosecute these criminals

Eagle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.73.13 (talk) 20:38, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Dismas |(talk) 20:46, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in historian Michael Klare's analysis of the causes of US military involvement in the Persian Gulf and Central Asia. That wouldn't directly address your legal issues (and note that Wikipedia does not give legal advice) but it might help you understand the larger context of what is going on, at least in the opinion of one expert. --Teratornis (talk) 22:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

AfD creation problem
I attempted to create Articles for deletion/Razhel Gee Mengullo (2nd nomination) and it seems to exist, but the link is red. What did I do wrong and how can I fix it? Thank you. Papaursa (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Razhel Gee Mengullo (2nd nomination), an article in the Wikipedia namespace, not main article-space. I think you also misused the templates...looks like you are trying to delete an article entitled Razhel Gee Mengullo (2nd nomination) rather than the second nomination to delete an article entitled Razhel Gee Mengullo. DMacks (talk) 20:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) The correct page name is Articles for deletion/Razhel Gee Mengullo (2nd nomination) (note the Wikipedia: namespace directive), which exists. The link in its title goes to Razhel Gee Mengullo (2nd nomination), which does not exist, it should be fixed. Note that Articles for Deletion pages are not encyclopedia articles and thus should not be created in the main namespace. J I P &#124; Talk 20:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the links in the AfD. I don't have any actual opinion on the discussion itself. J <font color="#00CC00">I <font color="#0000CC">P &#124; Talk 20:53, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the help. I've put up articles for deletion before without a problem, but not when it's been a second nomination.  I'm still not sure exactly what I did wrong. Papaursa (talk) 20:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've screwed that same thing up a few times I think. Separate parameters for "page to delete" vs "page to discuss it", getting 'em swapped, mis-cut-n-pasted, etc. No problem that can't be solved by a few minutes of head-scratching and few more edits:) DMacks (talk) 21:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why I use Twinkle. I'm one of those lasses who can screw up even the simplest of things. Twinkle simplifies it to the point where even a sleep-deprived nutter like me can make sense of an AfD --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 08:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Fear and Trembling
I want to submit an article for review. But the article is already in existence. See Fear and trembling by Soren Kierkegaard and the discussion page hwere I explain why I wnat to submit it. I tried submitting a new article but was refused. User:11614soup 11614soup 22:42, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Your rationale for redoing the article was because you thought it was copied from another source. However, another editor informed you that the other source copied the Wikipedia article. So, what would be your basis now for doing a "new" article?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:48, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Flag carrier page
What has happened? I went to the 'flag carrier' page and it has been almost completely deleted. Why?

This page should definitely be undelted. It was excellent information.

Why has other information that was valid been deleted? What is happening? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.72.95 (talk) 23:40, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The page history shows that unsourced list entries were deleted in after discussions at Talk:Flag carrier and Articles for deletion/Flag carrier. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)