Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 December 3

= December 3 =

English language problem
I'm not a native speaker of English,so can I still try to edit/creat some pages in English?(like some articles about my country or local culture of my country) ,actually I 'm a beginner of editing Wiki(I've been using wiki for several years,but,I can't editing anything because of online censor in china,and now,government seems changed some censor policy）,and I tried to creat a new article, but today I found "It may need copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone or spelling. Tagged since December 2010. It may require general cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Tagged since December 2010. "this 2 tags have been added to that,would any one tell me what gonna happen to that page? thanks!

Photo Hanayo
Hello,

I just wanted to contribute a FREE Photo of the japanese Singer Hanayo, which I took in 1997 in Kassel, Germany, while the art exhibition documenta. Since now there is no photo of Hanayo available in Wikipedia. But: Things are getting – surprisingly – difficult. Having created, just for this thing, an account with the user-name "Beatclub-Front", I don't get the choice to upload my picture – and I don't get the point, where I made any mistake. So I would be very pleased, if you could check this thing and tell me what I have to do to get my photo finally online.

All the very best, Beatclub-Front —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beatclub-Front (talk • contribs) 00:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Here at the English Wikipedia you can only upload files if your account is autoconfirmed. When the photo is free, please upload it to Wikimedia Commons at http://commons.wikimedia.org. You can do that right away and then it can be used in all language Wikipedias. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

My additions to an article were removed
Hi,

I modified this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeyore%27s_Birthday_Party

and added text about the Texas Juggling Society in the first paragraph, as well as a link in the External Links to the official TJS website. TJS has been a part of Eeyore's for over 30 years. It seems like this addition is relevant. Can you tell me why it was removed? TJS is a non-profit organization, so this is not a commercial advertisement or a solicitation for new members.

Thanks. Doug Fowler (member of TJS) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TravelinTexan (talk • contribs) 02:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The editor who removed it explained that there was no reason to single out one particular group. In the future, if you want to add anything to any article that involves a group you belong to, you should raise the change first on the article's Talk page and explain your involvement in the group. See WP:COI.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Canvassing?
Would it be considered canvassing to contact a few fellow contributors that I've often came across/stalked/admire regarding a request for editor review? I don't think it would be since editor review is not a decision process, but I'm asking just in case it wouldn't be appropriate to do so! Thanks - «CharlieEchoTango» 07:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No, that's probably fine. The problem only arises when you are trying to artificially affect the outcome of a community decision by inflating the numbers of "voters" who are likely to agree with your position.  Asking people "What do you think of my editing" isn't a community decision; its no different than asking specific people to copy edit a specific article or help with something you know they are good at.  -- Jayron  32  07:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * All right then! That's what I thought but thanks for providing the needed second opinion! Cheers «CharlieEchoTango» 07:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

German question
der typ da oben geht einem ganz schön aufn sack. jimmy wales nervt. soll doch selbst was spenden und nicht bei jeder seite die leser nerven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.62.4.10 (talk) 10:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Dieses ist das englische Wikipedia, nicht der Deutsche. Versuch hier. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter if English or German: Jimmy is going on my nerves too: How to disable permanently (as a registerd user) from being displayed? Waiting some months is not an option! mabdul 13:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * While logged in, go to Special:Preferences > Gadgets and under the "browsing gadgets" heading place a check in the box next to "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner". Gonzonoir (talk) 14:12, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Wrong dog photo
This is a Black Russian Terrier photo not a Giant Schnauzer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.38.119 (talk) 11:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am no expert but this should probably be flagged for attention as there appears to be some discrepancy. The picture in Giant Schnauzer says "Other names Riesenschnauzer, Russian Bear Schnauzer". The article Black Russian Terrier has a picture that says "Other names 	Black Terrier, Tchiorny Terrier, Chornyi, Russian Bear Schnauzer, Russian Black Terrier". Are they the same breed? Are the "also known as" entries wrong? I don't know. How do you flag this for attention by experts? -- Q Chris (talk) 12:17, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You can solicit expert attention by posting the tag on the article - it also allows a subject parameter to associate the request with a particular wikiproject. Here I think WP:DOG is the germane group, so I've put  on the page and left a talk page note alluding to this discussion. Gonzonoir (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Q Chris (talk) 14:17, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Category:Free software programmed in Tcl tkwww is listed under M
I wrote primary the article tkWWW and after adding some articles to the Category:Free software programmed in Tcl I recognized that the article tkWWW is under the wrong subsection although in the article the cat is added without any parameters. Is this a mediawiki bug? How to correct this? Adding the t-parameter by hand? mabdul 13:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I have fixed this. See Help:DEFAULTSORT for more on category sorting. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ THX mabdul 13:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Logged in signal desired
Is there a feature that allows an editor to determine that they are logged in just before they post an edit? For example, is there a feature that chnges the color of the Edit summary box or area around the edit summary when a user is logged in? That way, if I am not logged in and am going to make a post, the lack of color adjacent to the edit summary may let me know that I am not logged in. Thanks -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * See User:Gadget850/FAQ. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * (e/c) Click on User:Uzma Gamal/monobook.css, add the following self-explanatory code:

/* Turn the "Save page" button green if I'm logged in */ INPUT#wpSave { background-color:#88ff88; }
 * You can also switch to a different skin, such as the much better Monobook skin from the awful Vector default. If you're logged out the skin will show it. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ with Fughettaboutit re: monobook.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  13:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I added the code to my monobook.css and then switched my skin preference from Vector to monobook. That lit the save button green. However, I'm used to the Vector default - the gadgets seem to work only with theVector skin. I tried adding the Turn the "Save page" button green if I'm logged in code to my User:Uzma Gamal/vector.css page, but that didn't work. Is there a way to use the Vector skin and have the save page button colored green? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I only needed to bypass my browser's cache by pressing cntl-F5. Now my Save Page button is lit green using Vector skin. I'd like to lite up the other buttons to give me more visual signals as well. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, this seems to do it:

/* Turn the "Save page" button green if I'm logged in */ INPUT#wpSave { background-color:#88ff88; }

/* Turn the "Show preview" button yellow if I'm logged in */ input#wpPreview { background-color:#FFFF00; }

/* Turn the "Show changes" button fuchsia if I'm logged in */ input#wpDiff { background-color:#FF00FF; }
 * Now, if I could make them blink, that would be even better. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Bump. Anyone have any idea how to make it blink?Naraht (talk) 13:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

oxygen and carbon di oxide
which tree or plant leave produce more Oxygen and which tree or plant leave consume more carbon Di oxide. please answer. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.15.151 (talk) 14:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * [[Image:P physics.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Science reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Please note, however, that you must do your own homework. TN X Man  15:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, I don't think that question is susceptible to any definitive answer by the language used. It appears that either it's missing a part, stating which specific tree or plant are to be compared, or what you (or whoever wrote the question) intended by the word "more" was "most".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Where is the Artisian page?
I noticed that the page for the band Artisian has been deleted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artisian). The only link I can find to it is via Steve Banks and then it states the following:

''This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. 01:58, 11 August 2009 Alexf (talk | contribs) deleted "Artisian" ‎ (A7: Article about a band, singer, musician, or musical ensemble, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject) 17:41, 7 November 2008 JPG-GR (talk | contribs) deleted "Artisian" ‎ (G1: Patent nonsense, meaningless, or incomprehensible) 03:36, 5 November 2008 JPG-GR (talk | contribs) deleted "Artisian" ‎ (Expired PROD, concern was: No reliable sources, no significant coverage, no releases on a notable label.)''

However, I have asked on several occasions why has the page been deleted when i have 5 of the bands albums, they have toured both Europe and the UK with bands such as Gorgoroth, Marduk, Anaal Nathrak and could be considered one of the UK's most successful black mental bands. I do not understand this lack of support for this particular band. I for one, would like to see more about this band and would have thought that the site that prides itself on hosting information on everything would have information on any and every band.

Please can it by put back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.250.115 (talk) 15:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The last version of the article at which I looked listed no reliable sources and did not indicate why the band was notable enough to warrant an article. If you would like to create an article for the band, I would suggest you first read our guide to writing your first article and then draft a submission at the articles for creation page. TN X Man  15:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * (e/c)
 * the site that prides itself on hosting information on everything : On everything does not mean everything.
 * would have information on any and every band : see Notability (music).
 * basically, not everything or every band should have an encyclopedia article about it. Some things are just too small and/or not notable enough.
 * But most importantly, if you feel it deserve a place here after reading the notability guidelines, why don't you write the article yourself keeping in mind that previous ones have been deleted for the following reasons; the first time because it didn't have any sources, either in the article or even to be found on the internet; six days later because it did not indicate the significance of the subject (meaning it was probably a very small stub with no references). Look at other band articles and see how they are made. Can you find reliable third-party sources (not MySpace, not YouTube), about your band?
 * Cheers - «CharlieEchoTango» 15:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yugoslavian languages problem
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Today this morning I translated article Jordi Savall from english wikipedia and I tried to put it on bosnian wikipedia, admin there did not permit me to do so, and I was angry and puted this article under sh wikipedia ([]) where most of classical music articles are mine. Sh wiki is OK, but same problem I had and on serbian wikipedia with another article. On bs and serbian wikipedia they have some special rules, they want more then on sh wiki. On bs he told me that i must write on bosnian, but i told him why did not you correct the errors, I spend one hour on that article and he erase it. It is not good to do so, because there is a lot of laics and it is shame because there would be much more articles on bs and sr wikipedias if they have had more sense and feelings for correcting small errors, but what they do is to erase all and not permit development of more articles. My article about Jordi Savall is on sh wikipedia. Problem is because none is speaking perfect gramaticaly any of those yugoslav languages and what he told me is not truth. These languages is as a first the same language with small differences, that is the truth. He should only correct and not erase. On that way today that bosnian and serbian and croatian wikipedia should/would have much more artuicles. They are rigorous. Please keep sh wiki as she is. She is free. Thank you. I wanted that that bs and sr and hr wikipedias would be better. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeljko7 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that you had issues submitting your article. However, this is the English Wikipedia and we cannot influence the policies of other language Wikipedias. TN X Man  15:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can try to contact the admin on the serbian wiki to retrieve the article you spent time on, and work on it. Good luck - «CharlieEchoTango» 15:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Returning editor
I am a returning editor with a new account, how do I return to the old layout of Wikipedia? There is no option to so next to my username at the top of the page.Lord Chamberlain, the Renowned (talk) 15:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you mean how to change your skin to monobook (the one Wikipedia used to have as default), just go to your preferences, select the appearance -tab, select the skin you want to use from the list and save the changes. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 16:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also a quick note about "returning editor". Have you read WP:SOCK? If you wish to make a clean start, you must abandon your old account, which was still active as of yesterday. TN X Man  16:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Click on the "preferences" link at the top of the page, then the "Appearance" tab, then in the "Skin" section click the radio button next to MonoBook. Click the save button, then bypass your browser cache and welcome back the MonoBook world with the rest of us fuddy-duddies who dislike Vector... – ukexpat (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant the overall appearance that was changed in the last few months. There was once an option to change from the new to the old at the top of the page next my username and watchlist. Several of my userscripts do not work with out it. Thanks. Lord Chamberlain, the Renowned (talk) 16:12, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Of, that was easy. Yes, I am well aware of the rules pertaining to sockpuppetting. I do not plan on editing the same pages with my new account. Lord Chamberlain, the Renowned (talk) 16:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if you plan on operating a second account, you must identify your original account. You cannot operate two accounts without either establishing a link or abandoning the old one. TN X Man  16:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not intend to use the old account period. I want to nothing more than a casual user on this new account. I do not want any connection to my old account. Lord Chamberlain, the Renowned (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. I just wanted make sure you were aware of the proper procedure. You may want to log into your old account and make a note there it has been retired. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  16:27, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Meaning of Wikipedia
At first Thanks Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a very useful website for my study. But I can not know that meaning of Wikipedia & Collection Some Statistical Book ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.34 (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean, but perhaps our article on Wikipedia may help? TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  16:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It appears that the user does not know English. The grammar looks very similar to what you get when you use an online translator to convert Hindi to English. Without knowledge of Hindi, it will be difficult to understand the original question. --  k a i n a w &trade; 16:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Question from 187.15.23.96
Claim I would like by speak on the absence by date by birth by death to side on, the name, masculine on, the name, on Writer American. My name is Vinicius. ... Carlo Collodi, pseudônimo de Carlo Lorenzini, Florença, 24 de novembro 1826 a 26 de outubro 1890. + 33 dias + 272 dias = A nasceu Antônio Americano do Brasil na cidade de Bonfim, hoje Silvânia, deste Estado, em 18 de agosto de 1891, e falecido na cidade de Santa Luzia, em 20 de abril de 1932. + 101 dias + 272 = John Champlin Gardner, Jr. Nascido a 21 de Julho de 1933, em Batavia, Nova Iorque e falecido a 14 de Setembro de 1982, perto de Susquehanna, na Pensilvânia. + 272 dias = 16 de junho de 1983... Obs: A menos que aconteca algo de mais grave com a cabeça na morte, ao que parece, o corpo do Ser humano não morre exatamente quando convenciona-se hoje que o corpo de um Ser humano morre.

I am Supondo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.15.23.96 (talk)


 * Your question is unclear. Are you talking about an article on English Wikipedia or some other language version? – ukexpat (talk) 18:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like Portuguese. I can only make so much out with my GCSE knowledge of latin and spanish. The 'Obs' or 'Note' is particularly strange. IP is possibly trying to link these people together? Whatever the case, I think you need the Portuguese Help desk. Thanks. — Half  Price  18:51, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Chem Symbols
Chem symbols I was wondering how I template something like this $$Fe^0$$ except as a chemistry symbol like this: when I try to put a zero charge it ends up like this:  which obviously not what I want it to look like. Anyone know how I do what I'm looking for? Besides just using a superscript which (presumably) looks slightly different. Abrahamschulte (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked Ion and it looks like superscripts are the way to go. I'm not sure if that's the usual method, though. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  19:17, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The questioner appears to be asking about how to use the template to accomplish the formatting, not about which formatting is correct. This template does not appear to support charge=0. Fe0 is the way to give the equivalent result--that is the same formatting result as the template. You could go half-way and use the internal formatting template that  but not the wrapper template that can't handle your particular case: Fe<tt>  </tt> gives Fe. Or  as you had done, but that gives less standard results (italicized element symbol). DMacks (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd go ask at Template talk:Chem, they've had things not work before and get fixed. But in some cases, they have to choose one scenario or the other...

Wikitables
I want to include a wikitable in archivebox. In particular, I want to include the table in this archive box that I've got set up. Any ideas? — Fly by Night  ( talk )  20:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the problem is related to passing the "|" (of the template-syntax) as part of the parameter to the template (where it's treated as parameter delimiter). That is, the following is the "obvious, and non-functional" type of solution:


 * is designed for this sort of case, but I can't make it work right. DMacks (talk) 18:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Picture Formatting
I know you can put a picture to the right of a page by putting "right" in the image command, but how do you put two pictures side by side on the right side? If I put two image commands right after each other or with a line between them, they just go on top of each other. Abrahamschulte (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There is more than one way to do this, but I think the easiest and best way is to use Template:Multiple image. This allows you to put two images next to each other. ~<i style="color:#07517C;">Super</i> Hamster  Talk Contribs 22:13, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Is my article moving forward?
Hi there,

I just created an article for "Michelson Prize and Grants in Reproductive Biology" in the Article Wizard and hit Save Page. Does this mean it will go under review or do I need to "move" it? I can't move it because I just opened my account. Could you let me know what I need to do? Thanks!

Katy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katy0726 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Your draft is sitting in your userspace. For the next step, look at So you made a userspace draft. - David Biddulph (talk) 22:52, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Mark up text
How do I format it so that it shows exactly what I want to be displayed rather than with formatting. Like how would I show the two apostrophes around that as opposed to italicizing it? Abrahamschulte (talk) 22:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You would place nowiki tags around your text. For instance, in the example you give with the two apostrophes, you would use the following code to make the apostrophes visible:
 * That produces the following:
 * Hamsters are cool
 * Hope that helps. ~<i style="color:#07517C;">Super</i> Hamster  Talk Contribs 23:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in addition, you can easily insert the nowiki tags into the edit box by clicking on the button that looks like Nowiki icon.png at the top of the editing box (it will look a bit different if you are using the Vector skin). ~<i style="color:#07517C;">Super</i> Hamster  Talk Contribs 23:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in addition, you can easily insert the nowiki tags into the edit box by clicking on the button that looks like Nowiki icon.png at the top of the editing box (it will look a bit different if you are using the Vector skin). ~<i style="color:#07517C;">Super</i> Hamster  Talk Contribs 23:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)