Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 December 9

= December 9 =

problem with page
I don't know how else to do this. I have been trying to figure it out and can't, I've also been trying to figure out how to contact somebody and this is all I could find. Looking at the Harry Potter movies I found a mistake, connected to this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_%28film_series%29 it says that name of the first movie is Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone, this is not right it should be Harry Potter and the sorcerer's stone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.181.130 (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * As Harry Potter (film series) and Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone make clear, it was released with different names in different countries. Sorcerer's Stone was the name used in the U.S. and India.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Help is needed!
I am currently trying to rewrite and expand the article Garuda Indonesia, but the task seems too big for one person to do it alone. Help is dearly needed; anybody interested please reply to this request just underneath my message here. Sp33dyphil (Talk) (Contributions)(Feed back needed @ Talk page) 01:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest that you ask for help on the talk page of WP:INDONESIA. – ukexpat (talk) 02:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Or at WikiProject Airlines.  Corvus cornix  talk  20:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Inviation
Everybody is invited to help me cleanup and significantly improve the articles that I've edited and will edit. The articles involved are airline alliances, such as SkyTeam, Oneworld and Star Alliance. I will be improving and expanding shoe and clothes manufacturing companies, namely Puma AG, Addidas and Nike, Inc.. Airline articles will also be edited, along with Australian rules football and related clubs. You do not need to know these subjects; but you could help
 * copyedit the articles, as well as improving the English in the involved further.
 * format the references by inserting citation templates. Please go to WP:CITET, or go to his contributions page to see how he has been carrying out this job.
 * add appropriate and relevant pictures and media deemed necessary.
 * merge and tighten paragraphs. Since there are numerous one- and two-sentence paragraphs, merging these together helps editors afterwards add information.
 * wikification.

'Please disregard the following section if you are busy. Only concentrate on the jobs above.'

If you have time, you could further help by:
 * adding pictures/media of the involved subjects to Wiki Commons.
 * bringing together quotes regarding those who direct or hold significant relationships with organisations such as Greenpeace, SkyTeam, Oneworld, Star Alliance, Puma AG, Adidas, Nike, Inc. and Australian rules football/soccer clubs.
 * finding press releases, news articles, etc. for Star Alliance and Vietnam Airlines, which don’t have a lot of information during their early days.

Once you have embarked on the activities above, please drop User:Sp33dyphil a message at his user page.

And of course, if you have any jobs for me, just drop me a message.

Please distribute this message among other Wikipedians

Sp33dyphil (Talk) (Contributions)(Feed back needed @ Talk page) 01:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Similarly, try the talk pages of relevant projects such as WP:AIRLINES, WikiProject Australia, WP:WikiProject Companies etc. – ukexpat (talk) 02:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

unwritten history
do you the public think that any good can come from a site devoted to discussing unwritten history; we live in a time now where we have more access to this kind of information than at any other time (spiritual life news). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.81.195 (talk) 03:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting question, but I'm afraid this desk is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Is there question about using this site with which we can help you? TN X Man  03:42, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Downloading specific categories from wikimedia dumps
I have been trying to download a specific category (actors) from the wikimedia xml site, however it doesnt seem to work correctly. Without spidering accross the site, is there a way to get an xml dump of a category? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.185.51 (talk) 04:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Facebook displays an obsolete link to a wikipedia picture
Dear all,

On facebook, when I go on the following page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Institut-National-des-Telecommunications/111638992188483?sk=wiki

You can see that there is NO picture displayed in the topleft corner of the page. If you do click on the " empty frame" though, wou will see that Facebook is using an obsolete link for the image.

My question: is it a wikipedia problem or a facebook problem? Since most likely Facebook won´t do anything about it, is there a wikipedia way of fixing this? (I am not autoconfirmed user so I cannot upload a new image)

Thanks to all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manonearth265 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It isn't a problem for Facebook or for Wikipedia. It is a problem for the person who created and maintains the page.  They probably meant to link to File:Logo Logo Institut Telecom SudParis.jpg.jpg   GB  fan  04:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know how Facebook's Wikipedia pages work but it looks like they removed the second ".jpg" from the poorly named File:Logo Logo Institut Telecom SudParis.jpg.jpg which has always been named thus. Facebook's link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_Logo_Institut_Telecom_SudParis.jpg has never existed. Maybe a file move here would fix the Facebook page. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:34, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I am sure indeed that a file move would fix it! But what options do I have to do it? (I am no auto-confirmed user...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.173.141.224 (talk) 04:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ by User:PrimeHunter; see []. In the future, you can request moves at WP:RM-- N  Y  Kevin  @252, i.e. 05:03, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above comment was not an edit conflict but probably should have been. -- N  Y  Kevin  @255, i.e. 05:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Here is another example: Sophie Cruvelli displays File:Cruvelli.jpg.jpg. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sophie-Cruvelli/143622528985425 links instead to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cruvelli.jpg without the second ".jpg" and for me it displays the Wikipedia logo seen in the upper left corner at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cruvelli.jpg. I guess the image links are made automatically by Facebook software and it strips a second ".jpg" from file names. Perhaps this strategy fixes some errors made by Facebook users, but it introduces errors in other cases (with poorly named files). We shouldn't be naming our files to fix errors at external sites, but we may rename poorly named files. Only administrators can rename files. I have moved File:Logo Logo Institut Telecom SudParis.jpg.jpg to File:Logo Institut Telecom SudParis.jpg with one ".jpg" and one "Logo". If Facebook updates their page then maybe they will remove the extra "Logo" and make it work. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:58, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, it didn´t really solve my problem then (could have ;) ), but I understand you have to follow your "etiquette". Maybe FB does update their community pages indeed. Wait and see. Thank you very much anyway for your help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.173.141.224 (talk) 05:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Two questions
1. I think there should be a picture for Julie Kavner, the voice of Marge Simpson. Would this one for acceptable: http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/File:Juliekavner.jpeg 2. It says the Hikaru_Sulu that he is of both Japanese and Filipino descent. Should there be category for Sulu called Fictional American people of Filipino descent? Please let me know.Neptunekh2 (talk) 04:35, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In response to your first question: No, it would not be acceptable. You cannot donate materials that someone else owns (see: WP:Donating copyrighted materials). -- Bk314159 (Talk to me and find out what I've done) 04:43, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not a fan of numerous small categories for fictional people. The current subcategories of Category:Fictional American people of Asian descent have 4 to 30 pages. If we have fewer articles about Fictional American people of Filipino descent then I would oppose the category. Hikaru Sulu is already in Category:Fictional American people of Japanese descent. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That we have a category with the name "Fictional American people of Asian descent" is distubing enough as it is. At some point, you just have to throw up your arms and laugh, because any coherant response to such silliness just fails.  I am reminded of the tangentally related Notability (Septuagenarian female plumbers with red hair and freckles).  -- Jayron  32  05:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You think that's disturbing? I noticed Hikaru Sulu is also in Category:Star Trek: Phase II characters. This is for characters in the television series Star Trek: Phase II. If you haven't heard of it then it's probably because it was abandoned in 1978 before a single episode or pilot had been shot! This didn't stop somebody from making the character category 31 years later and placing 7 articles which are each in 5 to 8 other Star Trek categories. That excludes various categories for fictional characters in general (and one for real people: Leonard McCoy is in Category:University of Mississippi alumni). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Default font size change?
Suddenly the default font size appears smaller in Safari on iPhone. Was there a recent change to the default page format? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.99.108.125 (talk) 08:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of such a change. I don't know Safari on iPhone. Browsers for normal computers can usually change text size with Ctrl and '+' or '-' or mouse scroll up or down. Many users have pressed that accidentally and not known how to get back to the normal size. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:57, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

My post was altered
I made a post on here a while back about a local zoo. They were well known locally, and were closed pending an official investigation into animal maltreatment charges. I was very careful to post in a neutral manner and only what was printed and available from main stream newspapers and TV, and provided references. I came back recently to visit my post but now I see that part of my text has been removed and all reference to animal maltreatment charges have been removed. The charges were proved, documented and publicized. The person responsible is fund raising now in other countries and potential contributors deserve to make an informed decision before donating money. My question is; how can I make sure the whole story is reported and stays complete, not edited to make them look like saints? Thanks Rjwnz (talk) 09:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Most of the text you added was removed in this edit, which also inexplicably (inadvertantly?) removed several other pieces of legitimate content. The same contributor has removed content from other pages without explanation, and had their edits reverted.  Accordingly I'm going to restore the content you contributed.
 * Please note that the neutrality that Wikipedia strives for requires not only that potentially controversial content be referenced (which you did, and that's great), but also that care is taken to present material in an impartial manner, including giving "both sides" of a story in accordance with how a story is reported in reliable sources. Please see the edit summary in this edit for what I'm referring to.
 * How can you make sure the story stays complete? That's a tricky one, and relies on yourself and other volunteers keeping watch over the page.  I've added it to my watchlist which means I'll try and keep an eye on it to the extent that I'm able, and I hope others that read this thread will do the same.  It's reasonable to ask anyone who deletes referenced content for an explanation, and to restore the material if none is forthcoming.
 * Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 10:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I've restored the text at Zion Wildlife Gardens, made some style fixes, and solicited for watchers from WikiProject Zoo. Someone needs to check that the refs are correctly placed with the corresponding text, but I'm out of time now. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. The Arbiter  ★★★  15:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've found some interesting patterns. The guy that edited these is user:Lionmantruth2010 (yes, no user page). He has only edited The Lion Man, Craig Busch, and Zion Wildlife Gardens. All of those have to do with the Lion Man, aka Craig Busch. I'm sensing major COI here, because his name is Lionmantruth2010. However, he hasn't edited since June, so he's probably gone for good. The Arbiter  ★★★  15:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd noticed that too. On the off chance he returns, I've sent him a modified version of Welcome-COI, which is as much for the benefit of anyone reviewing his edits as for he himself.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 00:55, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

How can I get responses to discussions that I start?
Twice now, I've tried to start this discussion on modifying the wording of the WP:IRS policy, and no one has responded. How do I get people to participate? Nightscream (talk) 10:50, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to suggest a request for comment; but it seems you've already done that. Unfortunately, if no-one has an opinion on that you're requesting them to comment on, then you won't get any replies. As the old saying goes: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  15:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Now, if you can get him to float on his back, you're really got something. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well you could be bold and make the changes that you think should be made. Then if someone disagrees you would have someone to discuss the change with.   GB  fan  15:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

your story on terrance deon long
i really enjoyed reading your facts on terrance long anyway he played in the minors with a friend of mines son, him and tony are very good friends also. but what question pertains to is for my birthday he gave tony one of his oakland A's jersys for me being a big fan of the A's and of terrance i don't care who he plays for to me he will always be an oakland A's. recently my house was broken into and i had my jersy in the closet with my hat and the only time it came out of the plastic was baseball season and i didn't care if he didn't play for the A's any longer and i would wear it every game i went to. my question is does anyone know how to contact him so i can see if he would replace my most precious item i have ever owned? whoever took it doesn't even know what it means to me. i am disabled and it is very painful for me to sit in those seats because 2 days afterward i would have to stay in bed till the pain was under control so that i could get up and around again. now it is too hard for me to go the games cause of the pain.but all i want is to be able to contact him and see if he possibly may have another A's jersy just like my old one with his name and stomper on the sleeve. and it was real not a fake jersy and this young man has heart when he plays.....he will always be an oakland A's to me. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherri61 (talk • contribs) 11:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, Wikipedia has no contact details for Terrence Long. You might be able to get a message to him through one of his team's websites, perhaps. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Publish
Hi ive created an aricle and it is ready to go. ive cited all my reference in proper format i just want to publish it and dont know how. i can edit it but just cant figure out how to publish.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summitunity1 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I did it for you. I moved the article to the title Edward J. O'Neill (politician) to conform with Wikipedia naming practices (there is another article at a different title at Edward J. O'Neill).  See Help:Move on how to do this in the future, or So you made a userspace draft for a guide designed for new users.  If you have any more questions, feel free to ask, either here or at my talk page.  -- Jayron  32  15:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Request photo
Is there a place to request photos? I know there is a place to request articles. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 15:50, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it is WP:RP  GB  fan  15:53, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay Regards, SunCreator (talk) 16:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Company Listing
2 years ago, a stub was created for a company with a trademarked name. A Wikipedia editor decided it wasn't a worthy stub, and redirected it to a main article in association with its "language". For the last 2 years, Wikipedia has been showing up on search engines organic listings for that trademarked term, even though there is no article associated to it.

How can this be fare? If Wikipedia wants to earn traffic and exposure from a trademarked term, it should seek permission from the trademark holder. And at a minimum, it should provide resources that would allow Wikipedia users to learn more about the term Wikipedia is negating them from AND unlawfully benefiting from.

My question is, how can this issue be resolved amicably?

-- Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.96.171.224 (talk) 16:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you tell us what the trademarked company name is so that we can look into the situation?  GB  fan  16:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This help desk is indexed by search engines. If you don't want to post the name here then it would be possible to discuss it on a page with the noindex tag. Articles and redirects in the encyclopedia cannot have the noindex tag. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You should also back down on the use of the term "unlawfully", since that assertion 1) is profoundly absurd; and 2) verges on a violation of our "No legal threats" policy. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Additionally, Wikipedia doesn't benefit from traffic to the site, as there are no ads and we don't sell anything. The ones who benefit will be anyone whose knowledge is enriched by coming here, however they happened to get here. Arakunem Talk 17:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Referencing images
I have uploaded three different images, and am having trouble referencing them. This is on the Canadian Business page. I work for Canadian Business.Editorialteam (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC) editorialteam Dec. 9, 2010. 11:30a.m. EST
 * Have you looked to see how it is done in other articles?--Wehwalt (talk) 16:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You might also want to look at WP:COI. From your description above you appear to have a conflict of interest.   GB  fan  16:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Though donating relevant images is one thing that people with a connection to a subject are encouraged to do. --ColinFine (talk) 00:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Change Fitchburg, WI Reference
I'm the acting webmaster for the City of Fitchburg, WI and I want to fix a reference on our Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitchburg,_Wisconsin).

The second reference (http://www.city.fitchburg.wi.us/home_pages/about_fitchburg.php) does not exist any more and we have desided not to re-create this page. That information came from a book, "Fitchburg: A History," by Connie Darling and Jean O'Brien.

I have not been able to find a way to simply change the reference. Is this possible or will i need to re-write the areas that referenced our old page?

Thanks! 64.73.38.196 (talk) 16:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all! There is no requirement that the reference is availible online.  You can cite a print book just as well; just replace the website info within the "ref" tags with the print book's bibliographic information.  There is a citation template named Cite book which will help organize and format the information about the book, if you wish to use it.  Alternately, if you can provide the basic info on the book, such that would be used in a Bibliography, here or on the article's talk page, I or someone else can help with the technical aspects of fixing the reference.  -- Jayron  32  16:48, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * While you were writing that, I changed the article to reference an old copy of the city website held at the Wayback Machine. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * and i found the book on amazon and added Cite book.  GB  fan  16:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

When you are reading an article and see a references section near the bottom populated by a series of numbered citations, you might think that if you edit the page, you will see those citations typed in that section and be able to edit them. However, normally what you will see is code similar to this:


 *  ==References==
 * or 

The text of citations is actually in the body of the article, directly next to statements or paragraphs the citations support, using tags, which display as footnotes (e.g. [1][2] ) when you are reading an article. The template code shown above in the references section colates and displays all of the citations within the article in a numbered list in which the numbers correspond to the footnote numbers in the text. By clicking on the ^ symbol next to a citation display, you can easily find exactly where in the body of the article the citation text appears in order to edit it. For more, please see Referencing for beginners. -- Bk314159 (Talk to me and find out what I've done) 21:45, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * But also read WP:COI. Updating a link where the target has changed is something that somebody with a connection to the subject could certainly do, but if you are contemplating making any other changes to the article, you should read our guidelines on conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Feedback
On the bottom of the COTS Demo Flight 1, there's a solicitation for reader feedback. What's up with this? How long has this been happening? How many pages is it being used on? Do we have a policy page about it? It would be really helpful if they placed a link on the box so that editors could figure out what's going on and who's in charge of this. Buddy431 (talk) 17:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, good question. I'll check around and see if there's more info anywhere. TN X Man  17:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Try mw:Article feedback/Public Policy Pilot -- John of Reading (talk) 17:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Could we put a link to that page on the feedback box? Usually when there's something on Wikipedia that I don't know about, there's a link to some page describing it. Buddy431 (talk) 17:50, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as how many articles it is being used on, it looks like this is the list of them, Category:Article Feedback Additional Articles  GB  fan  18:46, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Plus the earlier (and much longer) list (and info) at Category:Article Feedback Pilot. See also the parallel thread on WP:ANI WP:AN. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

The Trade Wiki Beta
Can you pls help me understand if The TradeWiki (www.thetradewiki.com) is affiliated to Wikipeida

If so, I am unable to get any info on when it started, how is it so different from Wikipedia and does it extract info from Wikipedia or is there duplication of info found in Wikipedia. What advantage does one derive by a paid subscription to The Trade wiki etc

Thank you

dktDktan (talk) 17:34, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That website is not affiliated with Wikipedia. It may use Wikipedia content, but that's probably about it. Both sites share the same software (MediaWiki), which is why they operate similarly. TN X Man  17:37, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * As an aside: They shouldn't have used the Wikipedia globe logo, should they? -- John of Reading (talk) 17:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Right. See Wikimedia official marks. We already have problems with people who think we are associated with unrelated sites with wiki in the name like Wikileaks. Using a modified version of the copyrighted logo is bad. I'm not sure if and where it should be reported. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

AFAIK the only thing they're doing wrong is copying the Wikipedia logo. They have every right to be a wiki, to have "wiki" in their name, and to operate on MediaWiki. They can even copy Wikipedia content as long as they mention they do so. But copying the Wikipedia logo is wrong - it leads to mistaken beliefs that they're affiliated with Wikipedia. J I <font color="#0000CC">P &#124; Talk 19:58, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I've notified the community liason with the foundation, User:Cary Bass, regarding this. Hopefully he will be able to get the right message to the right people.  -- Jayron  32  20:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Please review
I have written two new articles on mountains that I would like to be reviewed. Immunize Contact me Contributions 20:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean Mount Tremont? I wonder about notability. This coming from someone who has climbed more peaks in NH than 99.9% of editors here, so I'm biased in favor of inclusion of mountains, but I think a single link to a user created siteis a bit short in terms of notability.-- SPhilbrick  T  22:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ... and if the other is Eastman Mountain, there are no references at all. - David Biddulph (talk) 22:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Per Notability (geography), I thought that "Named geographic features are usually considered notable. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands etc." If they can be found on Google Maps, or in an atlas, then they should be okay. It seems that verifiability is the key in these situations; notability in inherent. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  22:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I should point out that that is not policy or guideline, but an essay. I believe there have been a few attempts to get a policy or guideline along those lines, but none have succeeded -- <font color="#307D7E">Phantom <font color="#55CAFA">Steve .alt/<font color="#008000">talk \[alternate account of Phantomsteve] 04:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I added a reference to Eastman Mountain article (http://www.mountainzone.com/mountains/detail.asp?fid=6067956) today. Immunize Contact Me Contributions 15:05, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I created articles on Mount Willard and Mount Success. Immunize Contact Me Contributions 21:52, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Personal appeal from Lilaroja or Jimmy Wales
How can I contribute a donation when your website "cannot verify" my perfectly mainstream Canadian Visa card?

Bob W —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.46.7.229 (talk) 21:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There are many other ways you can donate to the Wikimedia Foundation, such as directly through PayPal, if you're unable to do so using the Payflow gateway. — <span style="font-family: Georgia, Garamond, serif;"> Waterfox ~talk~ 21:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)