Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 February 23

= February 23 =

Your link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Next_Top_Model,_Cycle_8
I believe near the bottom of the page when you scroll down, under "Summaries", it shows a chart of "call out" order for the girls on the show. The girls listed in the chart are not from Cycle 8, nor are they from any other cycle I am aware of. Perhaps they are from an upcoming cycle (15??? - not listed under Cycle 14, which is already released).

Not sure where this chart originated, but it's incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.12.178 (talk) 00:02, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can either be bold and fix it yourself, or bring it up on the page's talk page. Good luck! — Bility (talk) 00:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Flags for the Olympics
If I use the following template code ... the resulting display will be:. Is there any template or any way to get the output display result to be the icon of the flag and simply the three letter IOC Olympic country code right next to it (instead of the full country name spelled out)? So, in this case, I'd want the flag of Czechoslovakia followed by the Wikipedia link to the IOC code for Czechoslovakia (TCH). Is this possible? Also, how do I account for different flags in different Olympic years? Say, for example, the Czech flag at the 1924 Olympics was different than the Czech flag at the 2010 Olympics. How do I modify the template to show the correct flag of that certain year? Thanks. (64.252.68.102 (talk) 00:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC))
 * Well, for the 2010 games, you will use the IOC code for the Czech Republic. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * For the second question: or  (edit to see wikicode; Czechoslovakia's flag wasn't different in 1924) Xenon54 / talk / 00:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The first question is probably better answered at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics as I'm sure someone there is intimately familiar with all the different flag templates. Xenon54 / talk / 02:48, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I am the original poster. Perhaps I need to re-phrase my question. My question really has nothing to do with the specific country of Czechoslovakia or the specific year of 1924 or even the Olympics. The question is for any country and any year and any Olympic three-character IOC code: is there a template that displays the flag icon followed by the three-character IOC code ... as opposed to the flag icon followed by the full name of the country? Furthermore ... if so ... how does one modify this template when flags change in different time periods? The 1924 Czechoslovakia flag was just a hypothetical example. Thanks. (64.252.68.102 (talk) 04:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC))
 * If you take a look at Template:Country flag IOC alias JPN and you press the edit button, you will see the periods that are blank. That is where you put the flags. Default is the current flag. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But, when I click that link, there is no "edit" button present.  Can you list here on this page exactly what keys I need to type to create what I am seeking?  That is, the flag icon with the 3-letter IOC code immediately following it.  Thanks.  Also, how does one modify all this for different flags that were in place during different years in history?  Thank you.   (64.252.68.102 (talk) 15:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC))
 * It's a protected page, so instead of "edit" it has "view source". You can move around in this, mark and copy text to your clipboard just like an edit window, but you can't alter anything. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. I checked out the "view source".  But, I must be missing something.  I honestly don't see how that assists me in what I am attempting to do?  Please explain more explicitly what I need to do?  Thanks.   (64.252.68.102 (talk) 17:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC))


 * I don't think Zscout's answer actually does what you want. I can't find a template that primarily displays the IOC: on the contrary they all seem to convert the IOC to the full name. However, it seems to me that Template:FlagIOC has an undocumented argument 'name', so if I'm right, then will do what you want.  It does! --ColinFine (talk) 18:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Perfect! Thanks!  Now, do you also know how to modify it for different flags of different years (for the same country)?  Thank you.   (64.252.68.102 (talk) 18:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC))
 * The paramaters would be Entering the year plus Summer or Winter will display whatever flag that country or olympic team used during that olympics, and link to that country's year-specific olympic article. Example:  displays the 48-star flag flown during the 1936 Summer Olympics.DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  19:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thanks for all the help! I really appreciate it. Thank you. (64.252.68.102 (talk) 14:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC))

GeoGroupTemplate results out of order
In the last few weeks, I've noticed that results from using GeoGroupTemplate are out of alphabetical order. For example, look at the results of clicking the Google map of all coordinates for National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Pennsylvania — it used to be that the list would start with because these six were alphabetically the first six of the nearly 100 different named coordinates on the article. However, lately this alphabetising feature is missing: the named coordinates appear on the map in no particular order. I selected the Google map option three times, and the first three coordinates each time were as follows: Any idea what's causing the GeoGroupTemplate to stop sorting entries properly? Nyttend (talk) 00:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * "S" Bridge
 * Acheson, Edward G., House
 * Administration Building, Washington and Jefferson College
 * Bailey Covered Bridge
 * Beallsville Historic District
 * Bethel African American Episcopal Church of Monongahela City
 * 1) Bethel African American Episcopal Church of Monongahela City; Danley Covered Bridge; Dorsey, Joseph, House
 * 2) Brownlee, Scott, Covered Bridge; Charleroi Historic District; Bailey Covered Bridge
 * 3) Henry Covered Bridge; West Middletown Historic District; Miller, Longdon L., Covered Bridge
 * It appears to be a situation on Google Maps' end rather than a problem with the template or with GeoHack—at least, when I click on the Bing link rather than the Google Maps one, the list at Bing is in alphabetical order. Deor (talk) 00:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Efficient way to find similar articles in other languges?
Is there an efficient way to find similar articles in other languages? After creating a new article, I usually check the French and German wiki's, but don't bother with the others. This of course would allow me to put in the command Article name (not sure what this is called) for a matching article in the French Wiki on the subject shown. thanks GloverEpp ( talk ) 01:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Gloverepp. See Global Wikipedia Article Search and Interwiki-Link-Checker. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * WOW -- this beats the heck out of the way I do it. AND, it answers the most perplexing question, which is "What is the ID for the language!!  thanks so much .... GloverEpp ( talk ) 02:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There is a script you can add to translate the language codes to English. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There is? Don't tease us, where is it please? – ukexpat (talk) 16:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Add this to your JS: ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thank you. – ukexpat (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you erase a post in the discussion "page", entry "Jesus"?
Hello, I had noticed an anomaly; when I searched for info with the entry "Jesus", I was routed to a page whose theme was "womyn-born womyn" and I mentioned that in the "discussion" page without logging in, hence, my IP address appears with my post. Would you please erase the said post, so as to hide my IPAdr.? By the way, this link-bug seems to be corrected now. I thank you in advance. Bryce083 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryce083 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The anomaly you encountered was most likely redirect vandalism, where somebody blanked the page and redirected it to a ridiculously unrelated topic. As for your comment on the talk page, I have removed it from the page, but unfortunately your IP has been logged in the page history. If it is a serious concern to you, an administrator can remove the revision from the history (by deleting the revision). Robert Skyhawk So sue me! (You'll lose) 03:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Footnotes in middle of sentences
If I write a complex sentence and the information comes from 3 different sources and I need to footnote all 3, do I place the footnotes in the places in the sentence where the information comes from or all three at the end? Also, what if the footnote is not at a "pause point", not at a break in punctuation like a comma but right in the middle. Does it change then? I'd like to know where in guideline/policy/instructive pages any answer comes from. Thanks.--141.155.150.67 (talk) 03:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The guidelines at CITE say Immediately after the material in the text that requires citation, add [the reference]. Obviously, in the case where all the information in a sentence is from the same source, then the citation can be at the end of the sentence. In your case, you would indeed plae the citation at the relevant point. For example (and here I'm going to just use [1] etc to show the footnotes!): Smith was the winner of an Emmy[1], a BAFTA[2] and a controversial[3] Oscar.[4] (assuming that the "controversial" linked to a newspaper report and the "Emmy"/"BAFTA"/"Oscar" linked to the official Winners lists).
 * The guidelines do not say anything about placing the footnote at a "pause point", just "immediately after the material...". I hope this helps! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a brief addition/amendment from WP:REFPUNCT: "Material may be referenced mid-sentence or at the end of a sentence or paragraph, as needed for clarity. When a reference tag coincides with punctuation, it is placed immediately after the punctuation, except for dashes." So in Phantomsteve's example it should be Smith was the winner of an Emmy,[1] a BAFTA[2] and a controversial[3] Oscar.[4] :) Gonzonoir (talk) 09:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gonzonoir... I blame the lack of caffeine, as I should have known that... so I'm off to remedy that now :D --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 09:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikitable out of control
I was going through and cleaning up test edits (since the filter is out of commission at the moment) and I ran across the Kayamkulam article, which has some serious wikitable nightmare going on with it. (At least for me - Running Opera 10.10 on Server 2003)

I am bold enough to fix it, just just familiar enough with wikitables to do so. Table Gurus, I cry to you for help. -- Avic enna  sis  04:06, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed =]. Liquidluck ✽ talk  04:13, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Remarkably fast, and well done, too! I applaud your help, and will review the diffs to see what was done, so I may be better able to hand this issue in the future. Thanks! -- Avic enna  sis  04:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Criminal creology
Dear Sirs/Madam: Thank you for helping with the reference in my article "Criminal Creology".

With regard to the notability you have mentioned in your message, please note that I have added a reliable secondary source on "Petra Hanna".

Also, I am not been able to provide links in the article, such as you have done with "University of Poitiers". I really tried but with no avail. There are many terms in the article which can be put as links, such as criminality, crime, criminal, criminal sciences, criminal sociaology, criminal psychology, criminal psychiatry, creation, transgression, criminal responsibility.

Another problem: Please note that the content of footnote (4) should be: Annales de Philosophie et des sciences humaines, La créologie criminelle, n°22, 2006, p.335. www.usek.edu.lb/Usek08/content/Shared/EN/0130Annales22.pdf

Thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mostreal (talk • contribs) 05:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Would be best to post this in the articles talk page..In fact i have posted it there for you --> Talk:Criminal creology..Buzzzsherman (talk) 06:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Dear Sirs/Madam:

I have created a new article, and I am responding to your messsages you have posted o top of the article.

With regard to the notability, please note that I have inserted as a reference (5) a reliable secondary source on Petra Hanna.

Concerning the "links," I have not been able to make links such as the one you did with "University of Poitiers". What to do? I have tried to do the same regarding many terms, such as crime, criminality, criminal sciences, criminal psychology, criminal psychiatry, etc. but I was not successful.

With regard to footnote (4), the link does not lead to page 335 where Dr. Frangi's article appear.

Thank you. Mostreal (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The maintenance tags on the top of Criminal creology have been added by users, and they can be removed by any user, including you. If you feel the issue in a tag has been addressed, you may remove the tag yourself, as long as you explain why you are removing it in either the edit summary or on the article's talk page.  Please read Tagging pages for problems for more information on this.
 * The link to http://www.usek.edu.lb/Usek08/content/Shared/EN/0130Annales22.pdf in footnote 4 was added by you when you created the page. Another user reformatted it to look nicer, but the link has stayed the same.  If you know of a link to use that leads to the page containing Dr. Frangi's article, you should go ahead and modify the link in the article.  But without knowing what it should be changed to, we can't do anything else about it.
 * Linking to existing Wikipedia pages is done by placing doubled brackets around the name of the page. Thus, Wikipedia produces Wikipedia. A useful expansion of this is done by separating what you want linked, from what you want displayed, with a pipe character ("|"), to create a "piped link". Thus: encyclopedia produces encyclopedia, with the displayed text linking to the article, Wikipedia. You can link to internal sections of pages in this way: Wikipedia#name of internal section of that article. By contrast, for external links: http://www.example.org produces http://www.example.org; produces ; and example produces example. For more information, see Help:Link and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial. Hope this has helped.  --Mysdaao talk 14:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

CATIA
Which is a better course among CAtIA and PRo/E ?can anyone plz give me a good answer with a suitable proof!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by R240825 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps. --Mysdaao talk 14:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Square brackets in citation link titles
I've tried searching for an answer to this and only found this which tells me I can have square brackets in link titles by doing this: [link title] This however doesn't seem to work with the citation template. Doing this: creates a broken link. Doing this: doesn't work either.

Is this a bug in the citation template, or is there a proper method for doing this? ɹəə pıɔnı  15:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The single brackets define an external link. If you want to link to the web page for a document, include url. If you want to link to a Wikipedia article on the document, include the title in double brackets. You cannot do both. Examples:


 * ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You can use  and   to encode square brackets.  For example


 * creates:
 * This is documented at Template:Citation when it describes the title parameter. --Mysdaao talk 15:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mysdaao, that was precisely what I was looking for. My fault for overlooking it in doc (which I did read, or so I thought). Though I do wonder why the numerical format works when hexadecimal format fails.
 * Thank you also Gadget850, but I am well aware of wikilinking syntax. ɹəə pıɔnı  19:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! --Mysdaao talk 19:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! --Mysdaao talk 19:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Possibly unfree files (take 2)
Hello everyone (again).

You may remember that two weeks ago I was moaning at you about a PUF listing I thought ought to be reopened, and indeed, it was. And it's just been closed again, as no consensus, leaning delete (which translates, in reality, into a keep). This is not the result I wanted, since I strongly believe the file is a copyright violation, as is clear from the rationales left by me and others. Do I a) open it again, looking like I'm just waiting to get the result I want b) use my admin powers and WP:IAR to overrule the decision and delete it anyway c) just leave it, knowing that WP is breaking the law? Thanks, - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 15:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd initially chat with Fastily about it. However, WP:DRV isn't just to appeal deleted articles: This includes... appeals to delete pages kept after a prior discussion. - open a review and see what happens. FWIW I'd probably be inclined towards deletion, as the applicable law (Berne Convention) does not apply to this image. However, I am not an expert. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:28, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

My entry on Wikipedia
Can you tell me who put up my entry on Wikipedia? I think I saw it was entered on 1/10/10. I have since edited it some. Just curious. Thanks! Grampaw (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * If you check the history (click on the history tab) of Gordon Weaver, you will see that User:Pohick2 created the article on October 14, 2009. As you have a conflict of interest you should not be editing the article yourself. Please make any suggestions for improving it by posting on the article's talk page. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 16:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Deleting pictures
When I was working on writing an article I uploaded some pictures. I ended up not using the pictures I uploaded, how can I delete them. Also I want to change the licensing information for one of the photos I used. How do I go about doing this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cholsen10 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You haven't uploaded any images on the English Wikipedia, so I assuming you are referring to images you uploaded on Commons.
 * You should ask your question at Commons:Help desk where they would know for sure. But from reading Commons:Deletion policy, it doesn't look like you can have an image deleted that you uploaded just because you want it to be.  If an image on Commons is free and useful and has no other problems with it, it will be kept even if it is not in use now.  It doesn't change anything for you if the image is kept on Commons.
 * To change the licensing information for an image, use one of the copyright tags found on Commons:Copyright tags and add it to the file page. --Mysdaao talk 19:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Trouble with div tag with attributes inside template
I'm having trouble using a div tag inside a template. Inserting a div with any attribute inside a template parameter results in the parameter being ignored. For an example, you may copy this snippet in the sandbox.

The result is: For location, see .

There is no problem when no attribute is present. Is this a known limitation? Is there a way around this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moreauf (talk • contribs)
 * Why would you want to do this? The  tag generally encloses block level elements, rather than being enclosed by them. If you describe the effect that you are trying to achieve, we may be able to suggest another method. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We have our own installation of Mediawiki, in which we have templates which may receive a few paragraphs of text. We use divs to give a different style to certain parts of the text. I guess I should take this question to the Mediawiki people instead. If so, would anyone know where is the best place to ask? Moreauf (talk) 20:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not necessary. The reason is due to the equal sign in the div tag. When using "=" in a template parameter, you have to explicitly name the parameter. So  will work for you. Also, as Redrose64 says, use   instead of   for inline markup. — Bility (talk) 20:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Bility! Now I understand what's going on and the solution is fine for us Moreauf (talk) 20:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The template is intended to show one line of text, rather than several paragraphs. So, something like this:
 * will produce:
 * will produce:


 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

RFC for IP range
In the past few weeks, I've seen two users (one known to be a banned user and the other suspected to be a sock) using a range of IP addresses to stir up trouble. Since one was known to be a banned user, handling him was easy. The other uses a range of IP addresses to pester users, stir up arguments, and chastise anyone who doesn't follow his rules. Is there a way to start an RFC for a range of IP addresses? -- k a i n a w &trade; 19:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend ANI over RFC personally. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 19:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Image release to CC-BY, permission via Twitter
A television personality has agreed to release two of her pictures as CC-BY, but she's done it via Twitter. Is this okay? She's currently doing Olympic coverage in Whistler, so I doubt I can get email until long after she's done that. -- Zanimum (talk) 19:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you link the tweet? If so, and it can be proven that it is her Twitter account, it may be enough for an OTRS ticket. — Bility (talk) 20:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Richard Levister
This afternoon I typed in richard levister and immediately I got sent to a page about him and the Mellow Kings doo wop group (1957) which he managed. I added info about him, but now when I search his name they can't find the page. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.38.161.89 (talk) 22:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's the page: The Mello-Kings. The redirect may have been deleted for some reason (it's not listed on WP:RFD) – maybe you should recreate it? — Bility (talk) 22:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect that what you did was to (a) enter "Dick Levister", not "Richard Levister"; and (b) go for the "Search" button, not the "Go" button. If I enter "Dick Levister" and hit "Search", it produces a list with one entry, that for The Mello-Kings. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Rendering PDF Problem
When I click on the Download as PDF for the page, I am sent to a page that says "Rendering" as the title, then it says:

"Please wait while the document is being generated. Progress: 100% Status: finished (page: 6) This page should automatically refresh every few seconds. If this does not work, please press your browser's refresh button."

No amount of refreshing seems to bring the next page allowing me to download the PDF. I know I've done it before, and have even managed to do it on other pages right now, but for some reason, the article Leszynski naming convention is stuck at 100% and won't send me to the "Rendering finished" page. I finally gave up and switched to another browser, but that didn't seem to help either. I also thought it might be a problem with Beta, but I switched back to the non-beta version, and saw the same problem. I'm not sure where to report this bug (or even if it is a bug).

(P.S. now as I'm retrying it once again back in Beta, the Rendering page is not even coming up...I'm wondering if it's some sort of server error.) Oswald Glinkmeyer (talk) 22:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The rendering servers have been shaky all day after an upgrade apparently. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 23:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm marking this as resolved as it appears I am not the only one.  I was able to get the article to render today, the 24th. I'm chalking this up to a temporary server problem and not my own user error. Oswald Glinkmeyer (talk) 22:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

using same footnote multiple times
How do I use the same footnote multiple times at different places in an articl? —Preceding unsigned comment added by John williams 7 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You have been trying  - instead, use   for the first use, and   for the others. Note carefully the position of  . -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * See REFNAME for details. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Random Article
When I click random article, I get this note. Could you tell me what is happening? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rin tin tin 1996 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This has also been mentioned at Village pump (technical). -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:44, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's clearly broken, with a circular 301 redirect to itself (see village pump). This will require tech support, not just a normal editor. Studerby (talk) 23:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

ICantFindMyArticle
I Can't Find My Article On Wikipedia After Posting It. Can You Let Me Know Where It Is, What I Should Do, And Where I Can Find It.DoanThucTran (talk) 23:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Here it is! — Bility (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * On every Wikipedia page while you are logged in there is a link at the very top of the screen on the right hand side that is marked "My contributions". Clicking that will show you your edit history. You can also see other user's contributions when you are at their user pages or user talk pages by clicking on a link in the tool box on the left hand side of the page marked "User contributions" (which is probably how Bility was able to immediately find the pages you edited and provide it to you).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)