Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 January 6

= January 6 =

how might a person distinguish between the prejudical and nonprejudical use of rhetorical devise can i get an example of both
Post your response to the following: How might a person distinguish between the prejudicial and nonprejudicial use of rhetorical devices? Provide an example of each and comment on the examples posted by your classmates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.202.46 (talk) 22:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. But note that we won't do your homework for you (your last sentence is a bit of a Plaxico)! – ukexpat (talk) 22:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to the Wikipedia Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems. Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can or. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Wikipedia. (the "classmates" bit is a bit of a giveaway!) --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 23:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
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Problem with Template:Infobox boxing match
I've noticed that the articles that transclude this template, namely a lot of boxing articles including Thrilla in Manila, wind up with a displayed   in them, which looks terrible. This is obviously supposed to display the fight name somehow, but as I don't know anything whatsoever about template coding and the creator hasn't edited in eight months I thought I'd come here. Thanks--  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I think the problem was a Jan 2 edit, which I'll roll back.  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Resolved, sorry to bother y'all when I should have just studied the issue a little further.  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

my bio was deleted
on the page Llantwit Major it states that current mayor is myself Cllr Russell Downe this then took you to a page of myself which got deleted when i look up the rules it says

Politicians Shortcut: WP:POLITICIAN Politicians who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature and judges.[10] Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.[7] Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city. Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article."

as i am a mayor should i not be allowed this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Welshspencer (talk • contribs) 03:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As you are a mayor, you are not allowed this page, because you should not create pages about yourself. You should also not direct others in your employ to create pages about you.  You should wait patiently for someone who does not know you personally, and has no vested interest in your political career, to create a page about you.  -- Jayron  32  04:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Welshspencer (talk • contribs) 04:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Noesis article traffic statistics
What can I do to find out why Noesis gets so many views? It's currently the most popular philosophy article. It looks like this all started last march. . Any suggestions on how to solve this mystery? -Pollinosisss (talk) 04:45, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just looking into this a week ago, but at some August data. I believe I traced the curiosities to excessive page requests from mirror sites, but dang if I can remember how I figured that out. I'll put it on the list. For now, assume it was an auto-mirror being silly about copying pages, but do stay curious, maybe someone else here can offer more clues. Franamax (talk) 05:06, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.google.com/trends?q=Noesis+ :) Sorry to disappoint Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 05:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * update: on closer look, google trends says that the majority of hits were in Italy. This CD was released in March 10 2009; the record company is Italian.  http://www.amazon.com/Noesis-19th-Century-Masterworks-Guitars/dp/B0021CDE8A  Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 05:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

copy to note
I stumbled on copy to note. How does one use this? Can you add to the note? How do you retrieve the note?

thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigjoedog9 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I wish to be in contact with a person who is well versed in programming and who can write linux code for a business of which I belong.
If any one can put me in touch with a person within the Newcastle Linux group who can write Linux code.

We are a small business within Newcastle and are in real need of a person who can do some programming for us. Your time will be gladly paid for.

Please contact me in the first instance for a discussion on this subject at;

sndsalive2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.87.25 (talk) 11:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This is the Help Desk, it is only for questions about how to use Wikipedia. It is not an advertising service.-- Beloved Freak  11:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You could try the reference desk. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  12:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure how you came up with the strategy of asking this here of all places, but you might find what you are looking for at this website. For future reference, you can go to a search engine like Google and type an intuitive search like, which is how I found the targeted link I just posted in under 15 seconds of reading your question.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

ncaa basketball history box scores
I would like to how ( or where ) to get the box score ( players, minutes played, total points, free throws, personal fouls, etc ) on older U.C.L.A NCAA championship games. Specifically 1968 U.C.L.A vs North Carolina NCAA championship game. I know from wikipedia site that U.C.L.A won 78 - 55. You could respond to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.91.85.170 (talk) 15:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our roughly three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. SpitfireTally-ho! 15:41, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * 1968 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament or 1967–68 UCLA Bruins men's basketball team would be a good place to start to look. -- Jayron  32  18:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia
Hello & Happy New Year!~ I, not all that long ago had donated a small sum of money and was able, although I haven't a clue how, to download the 'Wikipedia' to my computer and it helped me greatly while writing etc. But I am rather new at this computer stuff..a year almost.. somehow I lost my mozilla firefox stuff and since have not been able to get it or any of the kewl things I had gained with it back. I'm at a complete loss w/out the 'Wikipedia' like you wouldn't believe! Now I've not a clue as how I got around the site before as I remember it looking completely different..I must tell you that I also have a horrible memory<giggle. I was wondering though if someone might find it in their heart to give me some advice on what I need do to gain the Wikipedia back again? I would truly be very greatful!! Thank you for your time and consideration, Constance Meabry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.74.180.191 (talk) 16:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Constance. It sounds like you're referring to a Database download.  Click the blue link for information and links on downloading the current Wikipedia content onto your own computer.  But do bear in mind that all that information takes up an enormous amount of memory and will quickly be out of date. Downloading is really only for people who need to reuse the content in bulk in their own work, and not for those who just want to look stuff up.  If you have an Internet connection you can just visit and look up what you need, whenever you need it. Just type in the "Search" box above left, and away you go.  As for your Mozilla problem, I don't use the Firefox browser myself.  I wonder whether your problems with navigation are because the site looked different when you saw it via Firefox.  If so, maybe what you really need is to get Firefox back again before you do anything else.  You can find the version you need here Regards,  Ka renjc 21:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Classification
If the main article of a category is in the same category as the category itself (for example the article Hailuoto is in the category Category:Finnish islands in the Baltic and also Category:Hailuoto is in Category:Finnish islands in the Baltic), is this right or wrong? In fi-wiki it would be right that only the subcategory but not the main article of it would be in the upper category. What is the practice in en-wiki?--Urjanhai (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a guideline on this at Categorization. If the subcategory is a non-distinguished category, then articles should only be placed in the subcategory.  If the subcategory is a distinguished category, then articles can be placed into both categories.  A distinguished category is a subset which have some characteristic of interest.  For example, Category:Toll bridges in New York City is a distinguished category of Category:Bridges in New York City.  --Mysdaao talk 18:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, this seems so complicated conceptually that it will take while to interprete it. But to make it simpler: In which way would these baltic islands Hailuoto and Åland be categorized in the category Category:Finnish islands in the Baltic? Double or not double, and if so, which way not double? --Urjanhai (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Category:Åland and Category:Hailuoto are eponymous categories, which are categories with the same name as an article. Categorization says that eponymous categories are considered distinguished categories for the purposes of the duplicate categorization rule, so Åland Islands and Hailuoto should each be categorized in both their respective eponymous category and Category:Finnish islands in the Baltic.  --Mysdaao talk 19:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * This practice seems to differ from that of finnish wikipedia (as far as I have understood), where there are no duplicate classifications for epoymous categories, but instead all categories are included in catecories as suhch and main articles of subcatecories are not included another time in the main catecory outside the subcategory. But in this case, is it then right to make the categories Category:Åland and Category:Hailuoto to be subcategories of the category Category:Finnish islands in the Baltic, when the main articles of these subcatecories with the same name are already in the main category? --Urjanhai (talk) 13:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, different langugage Wikipedias have come up with different guidelines. The consensus on the English Wikipedia is that the eponymous category be a subcategory, even if the article is going to be part of both categories.  --Mysdaao talk 14:30, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Google Street View images on Wikipedia
Google Street View is a great source of images of places all over the world. It is a way of providing pictures of places without having to go there camera-ready. It would be a great idea to have these images in Wikipedia articles about the relevant sites.

Google, indeed, does allow their images to be placed on one's websites. But there is a catch. The image must be embedded and not uploaded. The way an image is embedded is by pasting some HTML text provided for that particular location onto the HTML formatting of one's website. This does not work on Wiki text.

Is there a way either to paste the HTML into the Wiki text so that the image shows up in the saved version as an image, or to modify the Wikipedia system so that this can be done? Sebwite (talk) 18:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not allow embedded images, nor does it allow you to upload images under a clear copyright; in this case the copyright is held by Google, so such uses would not be allowed under our image use policy. -- Jayron  32  18:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sure we do not have to stop here and give up. Perhaps, we can work something out here. Sebwite (talk) 00:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We can't work something out here. It would require negotiations with Google.  Woogee (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Reviewers/Flagged Revisions
I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, however, I am confused how the Flagged Revisions scheme will work.

Will all edits be reviewed, or just possibly vandalising ones? Limideen 18:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * see WP:FLR--123.237.195.103 (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Bibliography Chonological or Alphabetical?
Hi there. I wanted to sort a bibliography on a page I've been contributing to so it's something other than completely random, ie. chronological or alphabetical. However, having spent a while searching I couldn't find any guidelines on Wiki regarding bibliographical layout. Can anyone point me in the direction of any such guidelines, or offer some kind of advice with regard to this issue? (Note that by 'bibliography' I am referring to a list of works by the person whom the page is about, not citations of any kind.) Thanks in advance for any assistance. LSmok3 Talk 19:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * See Manual of Style (lists of works). PrimeHunter (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

IRC and Pidgin
I'm trying to use #wikipedia-en-accounts on IRC. I clicked the link and nothing happened. It seems that I needed to install a program. I found pidgin online and downloaded it. Clicking the link still doesn't do anything, and I can't see how to use the explicit link address in pidgin. Any ideas? Dr Dec (Talk)  20:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Try this direct link. Somebody on IRC should be able to advise about good IRC clients, etc. Best, Peter Symonds ( talk ) 21:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

How to acquire rights?
Simple question: how to acquire rights/ask for permission to use a photo on Wiki? Can I only ask the author to release the image under CC, or is it okay if he only grants it to appear on Wikipedia? Do I have to include the e-mailed permission anywhere? Thanks. poisonborz (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Requesting copyright permission is the page you need. Ka renjc 21:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

info box
Why won't my changes appear in the info box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessicalynnb (talk • contribs) 23:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In you wrote   but the parameter name is not recognized. Infoboxes are a form of template and you can only use parameters which are coded into the source code for the infobox. The documentation with the available parameters is at Template:Infobox skyscraper. There is no parameter for interior designer. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)