Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 June 17

= June 17 =

Skull and Bones article
If you look at the edit history of this article, it was once edited a great deal by user Marmaduke Percy, and now, no matter who makes a change, or why, it is silently revert edited back to the Marmaduke Percy version by none other than Marmaduke Percy.

Template trouble
When I added another tab to User:The High Fin Sperm Whale/Tabs, it made the tab at the end disappear. Can someone fix this? Thanks, --The High Fin Sperm Whale 00:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Reading Template:PageTabs/doc...and it looks like 9 tabs is the max. --Onorem♠Dil 00:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Tags in the lede
Hi. In some articles, the lede includes footnotes, but other articles are written in a style where the lede does not have footnotes, and instead all the footnotes are later in the article. Is there a tag that can be inserted into the latter type of lede, indicating that something in the lede is not supported by the rest of the article? A "citation needed" tag would not work here, because we're talking about a lede that deliberately does not contain footnotes. Thanks in advance for being a helpful help desk.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think a citation needed does work, especially coupled with an appropriate edit summary such as " ; information in lead not verified in article body". However, I think you raise a good issue. We should have a focused template for this, and I might just create it. By the way, please see Wikipedia talk:Verifiability.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec)There may be a better answer, but I would put the citation needed next to the unsupported statement in the lede, and accept that if someone adds the material to the body of the article, with a source, that the tag could properly be removed. -- SPhilbrick  T  00:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick replies. If you do create a new tag, I guess you'll list it here.  If you give me a head's up, I wouldn't mind.  In the mean time, I'll go with the cn tags in the lede, even though footnotes in the lede are not desired.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, even if we're talking about a lede that contains footnotes, a fact might be footnoted in the lede but nevertheless not be mentioned or supported by the body of the article. It would look kind of silly to put a "citation needed" tag there!Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Already created: citation needed (lead) though I'm about to tweak it, including writing documentation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks again. Do I get a prize or something for suggesting it?  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No, but sure! — m o n o   01:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's an awesome tag. Thanks for creating it and OP for suggesting it. I will add the irony of its first use is amusing to me. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  02:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I made mistake in my article title HELP!
Guys here is my mistake;

Current title is: Muhammad Metwalli Aharawi It should be: Muhammad Metwali Alsharawi

URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Metwalli_Aharawi

Help! --Saab 1989 (talk) 01:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Moved from Help desk talk. Intelligent  sium  02:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * User:Chzz has moved it to the correct title for you. Ka renjc 07:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Substituting Magic Words In Templates
Hello! How can I put, for example, {{subst:REVISONUSER}} in the template I'm making without substing it in the template, only on pages it is used with and do the same with categories? I couldn't find anything in the template development page. Thanks! ~ Qwerp Qwertus  ·  _Contact Me_ · Get Adopted!   03:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I can use a #ifeq: comparing the namespace. Nevermind. ~ Qwerp Qwertus  ·  _Contact Me_ · Get Adopted!   04:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You could also use
 * :) Avic enna sis @ 08:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Linking Commons
When you are adding, is it possible to post two links. Both to a category and search page? Thanks for any helpful advice that may be posted, SwisterTwister talk
 * Comment: I fixed the closing "nowiki" tag and looked in the history to replace the four tildes with the correct user name -- John of Reading (talk) 04:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Commons category produces a link to a category on Commons and to a search on Commons for the category name as the search keyword(s). See for example the instance in Algae fuel. --Teratornis (talk) 08:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Adding Links to References
I seem to be having a difficult time copying certain links into articles, specially from certain sites as MSN News. When I insert the link between the reference space & then check to see if it is correct, it often says the page cannot be displayed or is just empty. Is this just the way certain web sites act, am I doing something wrong and if so, can you tell what? An example is below of an article I wanted to insert into the Death section on Maureen Forrester, but it will not work for me. You should be able to open the link here but it will not work between the references.

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cp-article.aspx?cp-documentid=24599329

Digby scallops (talk)


 * Thanks for adding a source to the death! When you were fixing the link to the MSN source, you added a slash at the end of the url ( http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cp-article.aspx?cp-documentid=24599329/ ---note the / at the end) instead of http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/cp-article.aspx?cp-documentid=24599329. Bizarrely, that slash at the end of the first link made all the difference. liquidluck ✽ talk  06:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much Liquidluck!

Digby scallops (talk) 14:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

how do i vote to keep a person in Wikipedia who is threatened with deletion of his listing?
how do i vote to keep a person in Wikipedia who is threatened with deletion of his listing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.44.111 (talk) 06:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Check under Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. It details the subject for you

Digby scallops (talk) 06:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be useful if you could tell us the name of the article that has been nominated for deletion. Here's some general information on how to handle each of the three methods of deletion on Wikipedia:


 * If you received a notification of speedy deletion nomination, you can edit the article to type hangon on it. If the article has already been deleted, you can ask the deleting administrator for the reason.
 * If you received notification of a prodded deletion nomination, you can simply remove the prod nomination to contest it. If this is a biography of a living person, you must first add a link to a reliable source backing up at least one fact in the article.
 * If this is a deletion discussion, it is important to remember that deletion discussions are not a poll, but a discussion among editors. First read the nomination rationale at the top of the page, where the nominator describes why they want the page deleted. If you are confused, try asking the nominator to clarify on either his talk page or on the deletion discussion (explain you're new). Then try to address the problem. Usually, the problem is that the article does not meet a notability guideline. Figure out which one, and then try to fix it.
 * If you are confused, please come back and ask your questions here. liquidluck ✽ talk  06:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

CONTACT NOS. OF MR. MUSTAFA JAFFER
PLS PROVIDE ME THE TEL. NOS. OF MR. MUSTAFA JAFFER ON MY EMAIL

regds/felie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.94.141.253 (talk) 08:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.
 * I've also removed your email address (and requested that an administrator permanently remove it from the page history) to protect you from spam harvesting bots. We are unable on this page to provide responses by email even on questions that are within our scope. Gonzonoir (talk) 08:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Why was a Link Removed?
Hi

We have reciently had a link and content removed from the article on Berghaus.

Why has it been removed?

Our shop LD Mountain Centre is the birth place of Berhaus. The 2 people mentioned in the article PLockey and Gordon Davison are the founders of the LD Mountain Centre and the offices above the shop were the sewing rooms where Berghaus was made.

Many Thanks Jonny Scott LD Mountain Centre Website Manager www.ldmountaincentre.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by LDMC1966 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 17 June 2010 (UTC)  — LDMC1966 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * User has been warned about conflict of interest by another editor, and blocked as a spamusername by -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:34, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Deleting Bad Images
I'm trying to set preferences so that items on the bad image list will not come up when someone goes to that page. Can't figure out how to do it, though it is talked about..? thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hockey16 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please follow the instructions at User:Mr.Z-man/badimages. If you still have problems please drop another note here. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you I think I have done it and will drop a note if I find out otherwise. Appreciate the help! Hockey16 (talk) 14:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Cape buffalo in Cape Agulhas
When last were cape buffalo in the cape agulhas area? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.209.167.176 (talk) 14:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Crystal_Clear_app_fonts.svg|20px]] Please use a descriptive title in future questions.
 * This Help Desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. For general knowledge questions, please go to Reference desk.  --Mysdaao talk 14:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Help
lt posterocentral disc protrusions at L5-S1 with LT neural exit foramen compromise what care or treatment i should take doctor told to do operation but i dont want to do operation and now i taking massage please how can i improve my problem pls sir help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.248.0.235 (talk) 14:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer. Contact your General Practitioner. --Mysdaao talk 15:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

The Partnership for a Drug-Free America
Please remove the Partnership logo from our page on your site as we are rebranding and instituting a new logo. Thank you 209.48.77.226 (talk) 14:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * When the new logo has been released, File:PD-FA.jpg can be updated. Until then, I see no reason to remove the logo that is there on Partnership for a Drug-Free America because it is still the current logo for the organization.  --Mysdaao talk 15:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Magnesium
WHICH FRUITS, VEGETABLES OR GRAINS PROVIDE MAGNESIUM TO THE HUMAN BODY? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.126.200.233 (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps.  TN X Man  19:12, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Unable to edit original successfully
I have tried over several days to edit the original article ("Gerald Sutton")  but cannot transfer the changed text to the final. The article in its present form is a severely truncated version of the original. Can you instruct me how to get out of this dead end.21:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suttgera1 (talk • contribs)
 * Since the article is not protected, nor recently protected, you should be able to edit it without problem but you have no edits to it. Accordingly, I can only think of a few things you might have encountered: 1) "A loss of session data"—sometimes if you have an article open for a long time and try to post it will give this message and you need to copy your text, reopen the article in edit mode, paste and then click save. 2) The edit filter is stopping your edits—please tell us any message you see at the top when you try to save (later note: the edit filter log for your account is empty). 3) You are trying to include in your edits an external link that is blacklisted—again, what messages, if any, are you seeing when you try to save? and what actually happens when you try to save?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * He had some severe formatting problems that caused the article to scroll off the right edge of the screen that I corrected.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:42, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

talk page archiving
Sorry if this is a FAQ; I don't know how to look for it without getting a thousand false matches (like "Help Desk archives"!)

I've never archived my talk page. After 4+ years it has grown bulky, with 132 sections now.

If I have a bot archive it now, will the first archive page necessarily be almost as huge, or is there a botic way to break it into, say, retroactive yearly archives? (I guess I could say "Bot, archive sections older than four years. Bot, archive sections older than three years. Bot, ...") Or, if the bot makes a single big archive, can I break it up by hand without confusing future bottery?

In programmerese: what's the most 'idiomatic' way to do this?

My talk page's readers thank you. —Tamfang (talk) 23:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There are bots that will archive for you (see User:MiszaBot). You can set a page size limit and then it will start a new archive page. See my talk page (click edit to see the code at the top).  Gtstricky Talk or C 23:18, 17 June 2010 (UTC)