Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 May 22

= May 22 =

"Photograph by xxx" image captions
I noticed that on the Tupac Shakur page that the main (infobox) image of the subject has the image caption "Photograph by Albert Watson". Is this really relevant? And if credit is necessary shouldn't this be placed on the image's actual page instead of as a caption for the image on a page whose subject is unrelated to whoever took the photograph? Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * These digital watermarks should be edited out if possible. Attribution is already provided on the image documentation page, so it is really not relevant. If you do not know how to edit it out, you can use watermark.  Intelligent  sium  02:06, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw no watermark in the image, just an image caption in the infobox, which I have removed. It's a fair-use picture so it isn't like we have the image caption to credit the photographer for donating the image to Wikipedia. Does it really matter to readers who took the photograph? PleaseStand (talk) 02:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, sorry if I didn't explain that very well Intelligentsium, I was referring to the actual caption provided in the  parameter of the infobox. Thanks for the replies though. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) -  02:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * For attribution in captions, see WP:CAPTION. – ukexpat (talk) 16:02, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The article Hangul needs to change to Hangeul.
Hangeul is a Korea Government's official spelling. Hangeul(O) Hankeul(X) Han-gŭl(X)

http://www.korean.go.kr/09_new/dic/rule/rule_roman.jsp

There are two search boxes. In the below box, search a word "한글". --Gnulinux (talk) 02:16, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I see on the talk page, it doesn't look like a non-controversial move to me. Consider proposing the rename at WP:RM. PleaseStand (talk) 02:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Scant reference to Italian contributions in the "Music" article
Why is there scant reference to Italian contributions in the "Music" article? No mention of music notation or Italian composers, no reference to opera, Caruso or the first vocal recordings. All classic composition terms are in Italian and Italians virtually invented the modern language of music, yet there is nothing in this incomplete article about that. Was the Music article written by true objective academic authorities or exclusionary anglo racists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.246.173 (talk) 04:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you can make that article better by adding references!-- m o  ɳ  o  04:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Why did you change the Best Blog on the 'net,' into something that is just bearly usuable? WPM!
When will I be able to get back to what was the BEST? WPM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.42.191 (talk) 04:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello! First of all, Wikipedia (right?) is a wiki, not a blog.  By creating an account, you can revert to the old style of layout if you'd like.-- m  o  ɳ  o  04:55, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Italian contributions to music
Italians virtually invented the modern language of music notation and composition, and yet in the Music article there is no reference to this or hardly any mention of Italian contributions whatsoever. Instead, all we get is a segregated piece about The Music of Italy. This is wrong and the Music article itself must be edited to reflect the truth and be all inclusive instead of exclusionary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.246.173 (talk) 05:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please don't post the same question twice. All articles in Wikipedia are created by volunteer editors, according to their view of what is important and appropriate, and their own particular areas of knowledge and interest. If you think there is something missing, please be bold and edit it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Grief with pipes in my signature
Okay, I currently have a pipe in my signature, which is usually okay but when I try to use certain templates (like ) it breaks the template because I have a pipe in there. In my preferences, I have tried using   |  instead, but when I save my settings, it just saves my signature back to | there (it removes the nowiki tags). I've also tried the template, but when I save my preferences, it changes the signature markup to   , which obviously breaks it as well. As far as I can tell, there is no way to put pipes in my signature without breaking templates. Surely this isn't the case? -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 09:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Does &amp;#x7C; work any better? John of Reading (talk) 10:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It comes up with "Invalid raw signature. Check HTML tags." in big, nasty, red letters. -- Lear's Fool (talk I contribs) 10:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest you post the "invalid" text here and then the real experts can have a look. John of Reading (talk) 10:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks anyway. The problem is not that I don't know what markup to use, the problem is that every time I save it, it ruins it.  When I save it with     tags, it removes them, and when I use, it substitutes it. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 10:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

There's plenty of pipe-like symbols in the edit box which don't interfere with wiki-syntax. Why not substitute the real pipe symbol for one of ǀ or | (from the IPA symbols)? Knepflerle (talk) 11:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a great idea. Thanks, I'll do that! -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 11:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem! Knepflerle (talk) 12:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The suggestion by John of Reading should work. Simply replace the pipe to be rendered with &amp;#x7C; (use what is rendered here and not what is in the page source). You can also use the decimal variant &amp;#124; which is mentioned under the signature at Special:Preferences. If you cannot get it to work then post the complete bad signature source here as John of Reading also suggested. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The raw signature is  -- User:Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) . If I replace the pipe with &amp;#124, I get the HTML error I mentioned before.  What I really want to know is why it removes the     tags when I put them around the pipe. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 12:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In this post you've left the trailing semi-colon off the &amp;#124. That wasn't the problem, was it? John of Reading (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes! That was the mistake I was making.  Thank you so much.  I could have just used a capital letter I as Knepflerle said, but this looks much better. -- Lear's Fool (talk &#124; contribs) 18:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * tags are automatically removed from the signature field when preferences are saved. I have removed the  suggestion from the text displayed under the signature at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:11, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

2 last changes on Page History
I could not find what is the meaning of marking of two last changes to the page. They are usually framed and have a different background color. What does it mean? Nazar (talk) 11:09, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Check it, for example, here (note the marking of two upper rows, where 4 and 6 are located):



Nazar (talk) 11:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Those are the two page versions that will be compared if you click "Compare selected versions". The two most recent versions are selected by default when you first view the history. You can click the circles to change selection. See more at Help:Diff. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I guess it would be proper to include that info into Help:Page history. I was searching there and could not find an explanation :) Could not guess it would be so easy... Nazar (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Included. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Line cutting through infobox
Can anyone help me out with understanding and fixing the section line that cuts through the infobox on this page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Trouver/Terrain

I would also like to know if there is a way of controlling the size of the thumbnail pictures. I would like to make the bottom 2 pictures a little larger. I'm assuming the thumbnail size is based on the original size? Thank you. LoreMariano (talk) 16:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't see any line. Perhaps it's your browser.  You can specify the size of an thumbnail by using Example.png, changing ???px to whatever size you want.-- m  o  ɳ  o  16:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There's lots more advice on picture sizing at Picture tutorial -- John of Reading (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you!


 * Can I ask one more question? Is there a way to set the index box on collapse at the top of an article?  The expanded TOC box throws in too much extra space.  I tried skip to talk which I had seen somewhere, I guess that's only for use on a talk page??? I couldn't get that to work on my talk page though because I couldn't delete the TOC box (not visible to users?).  Thank you for your help.  LoreMariano (talk) 17:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Different parts of your post sound like you want different things so I don't know what you are after. TOChidden should generally not be used in articles but is OK in your userspace. If an article TOC seems too long then consider TOC limit instead. Skip to talk places a link to the TOC (assuming there is a TOC) so the template name may sound misleading. Does this answer your question? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I did bunch up all my questions. I was able to modify the pixel size of my thumbnail pictures, thank you.


 * Regarding the TOC codes, I tested the {{tl|TOChidden} and it works--I was confused because I thought I had to delete an existing TOC code, that I thought would be something like TOC left, but I couldn't find such code at the top of my page. At any rate, the TOChidden option did work.  I'm not crazy about it because it repeats the word "Contents" in the header area and then centered as a title.  Is there any way to set "hidden" as a default (in the normal TOC box that is used everywhere), unless a person clicks "show"--so that every time the page is refreshed, it is hidden? 68.46.20.249 (talk) 00:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think a normal TOC can be hidden by default for other readers. See more about TOC's at WP:TOC. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:29, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LoreMariano (talk • contribs) 02:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Warning from a vandal
Hi! I just got a warning from a vandal on my talk page. I would of course like to remove this warning, but I guess it is not allowed to do this myself. What is the Wikipedia policy in this case? Lova Falk  talk  17:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have removed it but you are also allowed to do it yourself per Talk page guidelines. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and good to know! Lova Falk   talk  17:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that the IP had "warned" you after their final warning, and also made more obviously vandal-stylee edits. So, for good measure, I reported them at AIV ;-) Cheers, TFOWRpropaganda 17:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC) ...and they're blocked. TFOWR</b>propaganda 17:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just about to make this report when I saw the block. You are way quicker than I am... Lova Falk   talk  18:03, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Saxondale
I just restructured the episode list into tables, but they've jumped t the end of the page. Can't figure out why. Any help much appreciated. Baron Ronan Doyle (Sprechen mit mir) 18:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The two episode tables weren't closed. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 19:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Rather stupid of me. Thanks! Baron Ronan Doyle (Sprechen mit mir) 19:28, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Movie
im looking for a movie A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN can you help19:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.17.130 (talk)
 * Please remember to use a descriptive title for all future queries. You may be looking for A Match Made in Heaven; searching Wikipedia may answer your question without having to ask at a forum such as the Help Desk. For future reference, this Help Desk is only for questions related to using Wikipedia; general fact questions should be posed to the Reference desk. <font style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> Intelligent  sium  19:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Link IP edits to account
I have an editing history established under the same IP I just registered with. Is there a way for me to link my history to my new ID? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelatc (talk • contribs) 20:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Your IP edits cannot be attributed to your account but you can mention the connection. See Changing attribution for an edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also bear in mind, though, that revealing your IP address may tell us more about you than you'd like to be public knowledge - depending on where you've been editing from, we could discover where you work, or where you study, and / or get a good general idea of which bit of which country you live in. Most registered users choose not to make public the IP addresses that they've used. Think carefully about giving too much information away in your early days here, until you have a better feel for the place. And good luck! BencherliteTalk 20:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Inappropriate Article
This article can get your website banned in Pakistan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

I haven't reported it yet; but if it is not removed (at least for the internet users of pakistan) I will report it.

The whole article is offending to muslims; and especially the photo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.36.40.74 (talk) 21:11, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry if the article offends you, but Wikipedia is not censored. The topic appears to be notable and reliably sourced. What might happen in Pakistan isn't really a factor here. --Onorem♠Dil 21:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please also see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ, which though geared to the article on Muhammad, has some explanatory material you might find relevant.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

How to submit a new article
Hi Wikipedia My username is leesidelions and I just created an article that is currently in my 'userspace'. Can you please publish this to the live site or at least tell me the next steps so I can proceed to publish it myself.

I must tell you that I have found the process of adding an article to wikipedia very difficult. And I am a web developer!! Surely it doesn't have to be so difficult?

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leesidelions (talk • contribs) 23:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got good news, and bad news and good news and bad news. The good news is that the next step is easy. Adding to your draft places the article in a category of articles to be moved, and someone will take a look at it and tell you the next step. The bad news is that this step was established in December, and until recently, no one was looking at this list, and even in the last two weeks, only one person is looking at that list. The good news is that the single person looking at that category is me. The bad news is that I don't feel qualified to review music, pokemon or football articles. Sorry if I sound a bit cheeky, but I've reviewed 50 requests today and I'm tired. I hope someone else will take a look at it, if not, I'll see if I can poke someone.--  SPhilbrick  T  00:48, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, I agree with you that this place can be challenging to newcomers, even one's with solid comuter skills. There's a whole intiative to address the concerns - if you have any thoughts on how to improve, please pass them along.-- SPhilbrick  T  00:50, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * One more thing, you probably won't be happy to read this, but you should read our Username policy-- SPhilbrick  T  00:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)