Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 May 29

= May 29 =

page deleted
i was writing a page about a company and this page was deleted. now, i have the complete page ready and want to post it in wikipedia. how do i do it?? thanks in advance.Chowdharyramineni (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it the company you work for? If so, understand that you are in conflict of interest and Wikipedia is not for advertising. Please don't spam; you've been warned. PleaseStand (talk) 02:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You seem to be referring to User:Chowdharyramineni/Saama Technologies. Its first sentence read Saama Technologies, Inc is a pure-play business intelligence solution provider that has revolutionized the way organizations make decisions through business intelligence. I wonder how many constituents (noun phrases, verbs, etc) in that don't merit the PEACOCK warning flag. Still, it was "sourced" -- to this page, which tells us (amid much else): (1) Saama Technologies, Inc. is a pure-play business intelligence solution provider that has revolutionized the way organizations make decisions through business intelligence and (2) © 2010 BioMedReports.com. All rights reserved. Now, when you posted this stuff to Wikipedia you agreed that Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted. Because it violated copyright, I have just now deleted it. -- Hoary (talk) 02:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The word "solutions" alone, unless in the context of solutes dissolved in solvents, is by itself a clear spam marker. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  04:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In short:
 * Per Conflict of interest, if you work for or are affiliated with this company, please do not create or edit Wikipedia articles about it.
 * Per Copyright violations, do not copy information under non-free copyright, including the company's own advertising.
 * Per Peacock terms, please do not use language "hypes" the company.
 * Per Notability (organizations and companies), please demonstrate the notability of this company by citing reliable sources.
 * I understand this is a lot of rules. If you are unfamiliar with Wikipedia policies, Your first article would be good reading to start with. / edg ☺ ☭ 02:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Question about user protection
Hi, I've seen where users can request for their account to be closed, preventing hacking and such. I'm just curious whether that can be reverted? Because I may be leaving Wikipedia soon, and I'm just exploring my options. Thanks in advance!SwisterTwister (talk) 06:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Accounts are never really closed, I think, but just no longer used, usually a notice is added on the user page - though I may be wrong. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 06:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Qwerp, you may want to read WP:VANISH to eliminate some of your guessing. Dismas |(talk) 06:24, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, so I'm at least partially right - but you can also vanish. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 07:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Another option that you may have noticed being used is page protection. Your userpage and talkpage would remain but wouldn't be able to be edited by anyone else. Please see Protection policy for more info. This is not often done though, unless there is continued vandalism, or a specific reason that a talkpage would need to be protected. You can also request that your userpage be deleted at any time, by placing Db-u1 on the page. User talkpages are kept though, the vast majority of the time (with the exception of the right to vanish, mentioned above). Most people find though that all that's necessary is to put a notice on their pages saying that they've left, and then just stop editing. No big deal.-- Beloved Freak  12:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * An addendum: I gather from your talkpage that perhaps a negative experience is causing you to think about leaving. if that's the case, then maybe try having a wikibreak. Editing Wikipedia is, for most people, a hobby and shouldn't be stressful. If it gets to the point where you're not enjoying it, maybe a break would do you good, just step for a little while. Also, just try editing in different areas, for a change. Hope this helps, -- Beloved Freak  13:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Frankly speaking Wikipedia does not care about your privacy, About a year ago I wanted to vanish and have my talk page permanently deleted because people IRL knew of my Wikipedia habits and I didn't want them reading about my wikirage while I was blocked. Long story short the admins get their kicks out of pointing to various conflicting policys. So yeah if it's privacy you're after you're screwed.-- intraining  Jack In  14:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Centering Short Image Captions to Improve Wikipedia
Recently some editors have gotten together over a short period of time and decided to create new rules that don't exist in the Manual of Style or Guidelines regarding the centering of short image captions. Here are some of the messages I received over a short amount of time from users whom apparently seem to know one-another:

- Centreing captions Just a heads up that it's inappropriate to centre the text on individual image captions (as you did here). Wikipedia is designed to have a coherent, uniform style across all articles, and the default layout is to have all image captions left-aligned. --McGeddon (talk) 10:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Oman and image centring

Hi

I gather you have read and acknowledged the concerns being voiced here. With that in mind, I've reverted the image centre edits you made at Oman; I have not looked at your other edits, so you may wish to fix these.

I'm sure that now that you understand the community's concerns you will avoid centring images in future, or will, at least, engage with other editors to discuss large-scale and widespread changes before you make them.

Cheers, TFOWRpropaganda 11:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

?? Would you answer me on the question you deleted on your page? Rave92 (talk) 15:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

The images you use as justification for your edits do not have centered captions by the choice of an individual editor, but because the formatting of the article infoboxes are setup in that manner; that is quite clearly a different situation. Bottom line: stop centering images and their captions unless you obtain consensus that image captions are no longer supposed to be left aligned. As of now, your edits are not appropriate. -- auburn pilot  talk  06:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Image captions It seems you've been asked repeatedly to stop centering image captions, but have continued to do so. Please stop. -- auburn pilot  talk  05:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

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Here was my response to this wikilawyering and subjective rulemaking without justification:

- It's okay to center image captions
 * Don't revert due to no consensus

There is nothing in the Manual of style or the Wikipedia Policies stating not to center image captions. There is also no rule against centering image captions in Manual of Style - Captions.

Per Manual of Style - Captions:

There are several criteria for a good caption. A good caption

1. clearly identifies the subject of the picture, without detailing the obvious. 2. is succinct. 3. establishes the picture's relevance to the article. 4. provides context for the picture. 5. draws the reader into the article.

Different people read articles different ways. Some people start at the top and read each word until the end. Others read the first paragraph and scan through for other interesting information, looking especially at pictures and captions.

Examples of articles centered image captions Examples of articles centered image captions that I did not center:
 * Mount McKinley - First and second image captions are centered
 * Yellowstone National Park, same
 * Crater Lake National Park, same
 * Everglades National Park, same

There is no consensus to leave everything identically in Wikipeida articles, which discourages innovation and improvement. Having to obtain consensus for minor edits that clearly improve article quality isn't in the guidelines or Manual of Style.

Please read:

96.41.164.58 (talk) 06:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Be Bold in editing articles
 * Don't revert due to no consensus
 * Assume good faith
 * Wikilawyering
 * Wikipedia:Gaming the system

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Most print encyclopedias have centered image captions, and it seems reasonable and productive to do so with short image captions on Wikipedia. The main justifications I have received is that there is no consensus, and that Wikipedia is designed to be uniform in appearance for all articles, which defeats the purpose of being innovative, being bold, improving articles and making articles more encyclopedic. These stances all came in at once, which is suspicious, like these editors all know one-another and decided to base their opinions upon subjectivity, rather than actually improving Wikipedia. This in my opinion goes against the grain of what Wikipedia is all about.

Therefore, I will await the help desk's response. Again, it is quite reasonable to center short image captions, the articles appear more aesthetically enhanced that way. There are several articles with centered captions, particularly in infoboxes (which I didn't center). It seems unreasonable that several editors above suddenly all have the same opinion.

For example, at one time there were no portal boxes on Wikipedia. Then, somebody or a group of people decided to make a portal box template. Now there are portal box templates which improve the encyclopedia. Did these people go through some sort of exhaustive approval process, or did editor(s) simply innovate and the improvement was accepted because the quality was there?

Anyway, these editors seem unreasonable, are overly-demanding, are wikilawyering, are creating rules that don't exist based on opinion and possibly based upon biased consensus by knowing one-another, etc.

Furthermore, there is precedent in which people have centered image captions. Here is an entry from the help desk archives: Centered caption

How do I center a caption under an image thumbnail? Dr. Kamarei (talk) 14:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * caption text . – ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Please respond at your earliest convenience, and please respond to the editors listed above that messaged me simultaneously. Thank you.

96.41.164.58 (talk) 06:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Significant precedent for centering image captions '''Furthermore, there is precedent for centering image captions. Here is some data from the Wikipedia help desk archives: Centered caption:'''

How do I center a caption under an image thumbnail? Dr. Kamarei (talk) 14:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

caption text. – ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you center a caption? I have inserted images with captions a couple of times, and the captions automatically justify to the left margin. Is there a way to center the captions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voiceperson (talk • contribs) 20:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't think it's necessary to center except perhaps on a page-wide panorama. It is not specifically prohibited by WP:CAPTION so I guess it's OK - take a look at the Center template. – ukexpat (talk) 20:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Use  This caption is centered.  Gary King  ( talk ) 21:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Template caption not centering properly

Please see Earthquake at 1968 Illinois earthquake. It is not centering the caption properly.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The caption was centred in the right column of a table. I changed it to span columns. Perhaps instead it should be put into the caption parameter of the image. —teb728 t c 07:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.164.58 (talk) 06:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I see nothing on text alignment at Manual of Style (captions). I suggest that you ask these editors to discuss the issue on the talk page, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (captions). This help desk page isn't a good place for a long discussion, because each day's questions get archived fairly quickly. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

How do I change the name of an article?
I know this question already exists but 'Move' button is no longer right of the 'Edit' button, or I can't find it. So could you please either update the answer to that question or change the article 'Toplice Sv. Martin' into 'Toplice Sveti Martin'. Thank you! Claire_42 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Claire 42 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Next to the watchlist button, there is a small arrow pointing down. If you hover over this, you will see an option to move the page. W a c k y Wace  talk 07:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Only autoconfirmed accounts have the arrow pointing down and the move option. Claire 42 created the account today and doesn't have 10 edits yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Referencing to wikipedia articles
What is the policy on referencing to other wikipedia articles? For instance, in an article there can be a section with a "Main article tag". If this section is unreferenced, can I put in a reference to this main article (after having checked that the content in the section conforms with what is written in the article)? Lova Falk    talk   08:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you can't cite Wikipedia as a source for Wikipedia content - see this policy. You'd do better to look in the "main article" to find the reliable sources listed there, and add those sources to the other article. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Fix Main Text to Thumb?
I`m building a new page on portolan charts here. I need an edit tip to keep the main text close to the thumb images right. Just empty lines like now will not work in every browser. Could someone please suggest me a fix? -- Portolanero (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You could try some of the ideas from here, part of the Picture tutorial. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Perfect, Thank You! -- Portolanero (talk) 09:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Categorywise XML Dumps
Hi, I am trying to figure out the best possible way to get Health Category related wikipedia files for my algorithms to process. Is their a seperate XML dump for each category or is it that I will have to somehow get them seperated from the XML Dump that is available (I understand that this contains all the articles though). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.64.111 (talk) 10:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Know how to use the parser functions? Can you look at my code?
Hi, I'm putting together a new template that will cite signs (we've already got consensus to do it from FAC and the RS Noticeboard) and I need someone to look at my code, which is at User:Noraft/Sandbox/3. I recognize that it is in sort of a basic form right now. My concern is that I'm not sure how to code it so that it doesn't return an error if someone doesn't use all fields (i.e. if someone doesn't put the publisher name, for example). Would appreciate a second set of eyes and some guidance. Documentation is included to make it easier. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 14:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I certainly can't understand the syntax! But I compared your proposed template with one of the current set, Template:cite web. The code there does some pre-processing and then calls down to another template, Template:citation/core, which gets the real work done - there are hundreds of curly brackets in that one. I think you are more likely to succeed in the long run if you start with a copy of "cite web" and arrange for "cite sign" to make use of the "core" template in the same way. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I added a bit of markup to your template for the title parameter. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 02:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you have a  field, you might want to add an   field to let users display location maps (or almost anything else they need). See for example the Infobox power station template such as at the top of Meadow Lake Wind Farm. --Teratornis (talk) 02:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. /core is only properly parsing three of the parameters. Gotta either figure out why, or build this without using /core. Hmmm. We're now working on a modified copy that lives at User:Wtmitchell/Draft1. If anyone knows how to get more of the parameters to parse right, I'd love to know what the problem is. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 08:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

New Discovery
How do you enter a new discovery and keep a page here if there are only the results of the new discovery? As in my case Reactive Plasmatic Mantle, There are only the results and causes and no thing to represent the discovery but photos.15:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fulely (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia is not a place for new discoveries and original research. We need information from reliable sources such as peer-reviewed journals and respected news publications. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a prod on the page, Fulely, looking at the other articles you've created, you really do need to read the links above. Dougweller (talk) 16:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Nominating pages for deletion
A couple of times when I've nominated pages for deletion and added them to the AFD list, they don't appear. What do I need to do to make sure they appear? Those in question are Articles_for_deletion/Ruth_Coppinger and Articles for deletion/Qassim Afzal (2nd nomination) Valenciano (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Make sure you've done everything at WP:AFDHOWTO, particularly step III. In the future, please put new questions at the bottom of this page. Xenon54 (talk) 16:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have done step 3, but it doesn't show up on the articles for deletion list. Valenciano (talk) 17:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * My mistake -- you actually haven't done step II correctly. You need to add afd2 to the discussion page. The AfD has been transcluded to the log page but since you haven't added afd2 there is no section header or links. Xenon54 (talk) 17:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, except that doesn't work - it just makes a mess at the top of the page and tells me to add subst:afd2 but when I do that, it just produces the same mess. Also the Ruth Coppinger one is first nomination so do I need to add afd1 for that? Valenciano (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Use the code  . Of course, you must change the page name and category for different pages. It looks like you forgot to subst: or specify the article name or something. I've done it for you on Articles_for_deletion/Ruth_Coppinger. afd1 is the tag that goes on the article itself, not the AfD page. Xenon54 (talk) 17:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

No article or section about side-exit exhaust pipes?
Hi, I was hoping whether somebody could point me in the right direction. I was surprised at the fact that I could not find an article or section on side-exit exhaust pipes. I have looked in the obvious places (The Exhaust pipe article, search box, etc.) and could not find anything. I was hoping to make a few edits to it and if there is no article of this subject on Wikipedia where can I request that it be created, as I do not want to take on the job myself. Thanks and I hope this is the right place to ask for this, if it isn't please say. Chevy monte  carlo  17:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You can ask it be created here., but it has huge backlog, so you should also just ask people\ post on the talk page for exhaust pipes. If you just want to add it to the exhaust pipe article, I don't think you can request that. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 18:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't find the cat tag!
I am cleaning up Category:Psychology and I found two articles that should not be part of this category: Easter egg (media) and Hidden message. However, when I try to edit these two articles, I cannot find the tag saying. That is, this cat is visible in the article but not in the text that we can edit. What do I do wrong??? Lova Falk    talk   18:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * When I use hotcat to take it out, it says it may be from a template. I'm taking a look now. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 18:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It uses the template "hidden messages", which is in the psychology category, thereby putting that article in it. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 18:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * How do I get the psychology category out of that template, or changed into Category:Perception, which is a subcat of a subcat of psychology, and a much more appropriate and exact category for these articles?  Lova Falk     talk   18:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've removed the category from the template (it didn't belong anyway), thereby removing it from the article. I also added the perception category to the article. Hop that helps! ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 18:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and it did until somebody put it back in... However he said the cat could be omitted if desired, and I asked him how. So now I wait for his answer...  Lova Falk     talk   18:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops! In the confusion caused by an edit conflict, I accidentally overrode your change; I read this and went to make the template so that the category could be omitted if desired (see diff and documentation). Feel free to undo my rude overriding of your edit; alternatively, I could change the template so that editors opt pages into the category, rather than opting them out. Robert Skyhawk (T C B) 19:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Per Lova Falk's request on my talk page, I have opted for Querp's solution and removed the Category from the template entirely. Sorry about the mess my overzealous editing caused. Robert Skyhawk (T C B) 19:21, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Professor Julius A. Okojie
Professor Julius Amioba Okojie was born on 27th July, 1948 and had his primary and secondary education at Government Primary School, Uromi Annunciation Catholic College Irrua, and Federal Government College Warri. In 1969, he was admitted into the University of Ibadan to pursue a degree in Forestry. He graduated in 1972 with Second Class Upper Division. A few years later he proceeded to Yale University, for his Master's Degree in Forestry. On his return to his quest for greater challenges in the academia, led him to enroll for a higher degree programme at the University of Ibadan in 1978. He was awarded the Ph.D in Forestry Resource Management by the University in 1981. Before proceeding for his Masters Degree in the, Professor Okojie worked briefly between 1972 and 1974 as Research Officer at the Forestry Research Institute, Ibadan. In 1978 he joined the University of Ibadan as Lecturer II and was promoted Senior Lecturer in 1983. He rose to the rank of Professor of Forestry Resource Management in 1990.

Professor Okojie was appointed Vice-Chancellor, University of Agriculture Abeokuta in 1996, a position he held until 2001. He joined the National Universities Commission in August 2002. While in the Commission, he chaired the Standing Committee on Private Universities (SCOPU). It is to his credit that a large number of private universities established between 2002 and 2005 received the Federal Government’s approval during his tenure as Chairman, SCOPU.

Professor Okojie has held many administrative positions at national and international levels. These include

* Sub-Dean Faculty of Agriculture and Forestry, University of Ibadan, Ibadan ; * Dean, College of Environmental Resources Management, University of Agriculture , Abeokuta 1990-1994; * Deputy Vice-chancellor University of Agriculture, University of Agriculture , Abeokuta   1994-1995; * Vice-President, Association of African Universities, 2001; * Vice-Chancellor, University of Agriculture, Abeokuta ; * Member, Board of Association of Commonwealth Universities. 2001.

It is to the credit of this erudite unassuming scholar that during his tenure as Vice-Chancellor, the University of Agriculture Abeokuta was ranked No 1 Nigerian University from the NUC accreditation exercise.

Professor Okojie has at different times served as Chairman and member of various Standing and ad-hoc committees, special panels as well as serving as external examiner/ assessor to a number of Nigerian Universities. A good number of professors and higher degree holders owe their successes to the tutelage and diligence of Professor Okojie. His outstanding performance as Vice-Chancellor, amiable character and humility endeared him to his fellow Vice-Chancellors who chose to elect him to the exalted position of Chairman, Committee of Vice-Chancellors of Nigerian Federal Universities in 2001.

A scholar of international repute, Professor Okojie has many chapters in books and scholarly articles in his field in national and international journals, in the sciences generally and on issues on higher education development.

His numerous Fellowship awards include the Royal Society (Nuffield Foundation) Fellowship; Senior Fulbright Fellowship; and the United Nations University Fellowship. He is a Fellow, African Academy of Science (FAAS); Fellow Science Association of Nigeria (FSAN) and Fellow Forestry Association of Nigeria (FFAN).

Following his excellent performance in previous administrative positions, the proprietors of Bells University of Technology, Ota, found Professor Julius Okojie worthy of appointment as pioneer Vice-Chancellor of the Institution in July, 2005.

Professor Julius A. Okojie is currently the Executive Secretary, National Universities Commission, a position he has held since August, 2006.

The Professor of Forestry Resources Management has remained an invaluable force in national development and an inspiration to both town and gown in and outside the shores of. His consistent commitment to higher education has gained him national and international accolades. His unflinching concern for community development earned him the traditional titles of Aare agbe of Egbaland and Omotadese of Owu Kingdom which were conferred on him by the traditional rulers of both kingdoms.

A devout Catholic, Professor Okojie is married to Erelu (Mrs.) Oluremi Okojie, Principal, St Louis Grammar School, Ibadan. They are blessed with many children. His new project is on Professional Education in Nigerian Universities. This will be a bridge between University and Industries.

41.217.67.6 (talk) 18:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * What is your question - would you like an article on him to be made?~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 18:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

It looks like someone just dumped an essay here. Its written with indents and things. I recommend to just remove it (its not NPOV anyway) A p 3 rson  ‽   18:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, I'll leave him a copy in his userspace. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 00:01, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Question about deleting contributions
I was just noticing that a indefinitely blocked user's contributions were cleared out. I'm just curious about that, I've never seen that in the almost 4 years I've been here. How is that possible? I know that if it's something illegal, it would be possibly deleted. Thanks in advance!SwisterTwister (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Occasionally Wikipedia's Suppression feature may be used to literally delete all record of a user's contributions from the Wiki, so that even sysops cannot see them. This power is only given to very few users, and is used in a select few cases; that is, it is rare to see such a deletion. Robert Skyhawk (T C B) 19:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Restored file
I restored someone else's image and loaded it as a new file (File:Fotothek df pk 0000241 046-restored.jpg) Now, how do I link this restored file to the original file? MiamiBrian (talk) 19:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's a link to the file for anyone who doesn't want to have to search for it... File:Fotothek df pk 0000241 046.jpg. Dismas |(talk) 20:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have inquired at The Commons (the image collection wiki). I will post it here when they reply. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 00:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * When viewing the page on the original image, scroll down and click on "Upload a new version of this file". Up load it to that - it may not be visible immediately though. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  · _Talk_ · _Contribs_ · The Wiki Puzzle Piece Award 07:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

NBA 2010 finals
People seem to be making constant changes to this page, and when attempting to correct it (I.E. there is no definite winner of the Western Conference Finals), people change it back to state that the Lakers have already won, and a full background. Please lock this article until further notice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.82.136 (talk) 21:22, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If nobody has won it yet, it should say so (ex. undetermined), not as a team and you can have the page applied for semi-protection (locking) here if you want, however it usually won't be accepted for protection unless has been vandalized. You can make these changes - just click edit, if not, I'm sure somebody will come around and fix it - I don't think I should - I don't really understand the NBA system. ~ Qwerp  Qwertus  ·_Talk_· ·_Contribs_· 23:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that the Lakers have won the series, this shouldn't be a problem anymore. If the article continues to be vandalized, go ahead and list it at RFPP. 95j (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)