Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 October 13

= October 13 =

Single login at Meta - double login everywhere else
I have a unified account on the various WMF projects. If I go to meta:Special:UserLogin and log in, I can jump to any other WMF project like Commons, Wiktionary or Wikipedia and I will automatically be loged in.

If I log in at any other project, like commons:Special:UserLogin, wiktionary:Special:UserLogin or wikipedia:Special:UserLogin and then jump to another WMF project, I have to log in a second time. After the second login, I am automatically logged in to all other projects.

Why is the login system set up this way? -   Hydroxonium (talk) 00:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I'd try asking at WP:VPT. THENEW M O NO   02:47, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Problem with template
I created this template:, now every Syrian airport is listed at this category: --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I removed the Category:Airports in Syria category. Similar templates do not appear to have the corresponding "Airports" category - see Airports in Russia for example. – ukexpat (talk) 01:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem is not fixed, the airports are still in the template category: --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I made null edits to each of the articles the template is transcluded on, the template page and the category.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * List of airports in Syria is still left. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It isn't for me. Try clearing your own cache.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I can't see the images on the page.
Hi, I'm a mainland Chinese user of WIKI, I can't see the images(.jpg & .png etc.) on English pages or any other language page's, except Chinese version, there has a certain gadget that help to display the images which are blocked by ISP, so Chinese pages worked well, but it doesn't work on any other languages', so please help me find a solution for that, thank you very much!! HolaG (talk) 17:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I am also a mainland Chinese user, but there are no problems of loading images. If the content is blocked by GFW, the whole page will not load instead of just images. Maybe you should try some tunneling software and if that does not work, it must the problem of your own computer.--Netheril96 (talk) 10:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi,Netheril96, thank you for your reply, can we talk in Chinese version, I just recently switched to Firefox and installed Tunnelier, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube all get well, but only Wiki is exceptional, the same situation as IE I used before, only text, no images, Chinese pages now get along, but others, quite frustrating, hopefully I could find something work it out, thank you.HolaG (talk) 17:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * In Firefox it's easy to accidentally block images on a site by right clicking an image and then clicking the wrong option. With Firefox you may need (possibly some details depend on the version): Tools - Options - Content - Load images automatically - Click the "exceptions" button and delete http://upload.wikimedia.org from the list - Highlight - "Remove site" button. See also Troubleshooting for another possibility. If this doesn' work then can you see http://en.wikipedia.org/images/wikimedia-button.png which is one of the few images at en.wikipedia.org? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, PrimeHunter. I clicked the "excptions" button, but the window that came out are empty, there's nothing to delete or remove. The version that I used is "3.6.10" of Firefox. And for the second method, there doesn't have "for the originating web site only" checkbox, and I added "http://commons.wikipedia.org", "http://en.wikipedia.org" and "http://upload.wikipedia.org" to the allow list, it's still not working. In case of today's homepage, the big WIKI logo at upper left corner is invisible, the two small "mediawiki" logo at lower right corner are visible, all the logo of wiki's sister projects are invisible. What the matter is all pictures from articles are invisible, which is the .jpg files. Is there a possibility that those images are being blocked by the government?HolaG (talk) 16:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * For Netheril96, you know that certain option from My preferences in Chinese page is called the "display the images that bloked by ISP", which you couldn't find from English version, I checked that box, the images immediately showed up!! That's amazing, but why the other language's can't. I raised question in Chinese help desk too, I guess it's censorship. what network are you using? HolaG (talk) 17:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It's http://commons.wikimedia.org and http://upload.wikimedia.org with 'm' in wikimedia (the Wikimedia Foundation runs Wikipedia). All images displayed in the editable parts of Wikipedia pages are stored at http://upload.wikimedia.org which is apparently the site you cannot access. http://en.wikipedia.org/images/wikimedia-button.png displayed in the corner is one of the few images stored at en.wikipedia.org where you are able to access images. The "Powered by MediaWiki" image is at http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/poweredby_mediawiki_88x31.png which you can apparently also access. The Wikipedia logo in the corner is stored at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Wikipedia-logo-v2-en.png. Can you see it when you click directly there instead of trying to display it here from en.wikipedia.org? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean click this link http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Wikipedia-logo-v2-en.png. right here, right? I can't see it. The page says "The connection has timed out" HolaG (talk) 01:08, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I mean that. I see the logo there so I guess you can see no images originating from http://upload.wikimedia.org. I don't know how the Chinese gadget works. Maybe it loads images from another domain. If you right click the Wikipedia logo displayed in the right side of the article zh:英語維基百科 then can your browser show where the images is coming from with and without the gadget enabled? For me it's coming from http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Wikipedia-logo-v2-en.png. I also get an image from there and a link to there by left clicking the image to get to the file page zh:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en.png. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi,PrimeHunter, I found a solution, they are all working well now, lovely and beautifully, thanks to my intelligent folks, you know, no matter what the government do, people will always get their way, and they are just shared the solution through the internet, everyone can reach it. Maybe I should check them first, actually I did, but not quite understand of them by then, but after all of these long talk with you and others, I learned a lot. So thank you very much, you had great patience to answer all of those questions. Wishing your happiness!! HolaG (talk) 17:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Page numbers in different editions of books
Can I be sure that, when citing a book that I have to hand, but which a previous editor has used in a different edition or impression with a different ISBN (perhaps with a different publisher on a different contintent) the page numbers that the two of us use will not produce a nonsense for someone checking the citations? --TedColes (talk) 09:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you can't. Different editions of the same book are sometimes paginated quite differently. However, if there's a smattering of pages cited for specific facts in the past edition cited, and all of them line up with the pages in your edition, that's a good indication that the two editions are paginated the same. If you don't have this assurance, then you can cite the book separately a second time providing its edition and isbn.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Music box is wrong
can someone correct the music box? its here thanks-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 12:40, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * How's that? -- k a i n a w &trade; 13:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see an obvious problem, can you describe what you're trying to do? Tiggerjay (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Kainaw fixed it in before posting here. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅!-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:00, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I think ANI is broken!!!!!!
Its been over 18 hours since a new drama filled topic has been added!!!!! The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 12:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * We could start a discussion about users abusing the help desk as an ANI substitute, but that might be too meta. Hans Adler 12:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Registering Company
Hi,

I work for a Recruitment Company and we were just wondering whether it would be posible to put our comany on Wikipedia. This could be used as a reference for our clients and candidates.

Could you let me know if this is possible.

Kind Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by SelectRec1 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The short answer is no, unless your company meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies (very few do). Please also read these FAQ for businesses and this page about using Wikipedia for advertising. You may find that WikiCompany suits your needs better. – ukexpat (talk) 14:40, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%26P_Projects
Since companies are not alowed to put theire info in wikipedia, why can companies like P&P Projects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%26P_Projects do this without being deleted? It's just a company like many others.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.206.168 (talk) 14:47, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That article seems to have many secondary reliable sources to back up those claims. You can refer to WP:Verifiability to learn more. Devourer09  ( t · c ) 14:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It is not a question of being "allowed" to have an article. Any one, thing, company etc can have an article provided that the subject is notable - notability is Wikipedia's primary inclusion criterion. For companies it is further explained in the guidelines at WP:CORP. Notability has to be established by reference to significant coverage in reliable sources. – ukexpat (talk) 15:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Also note that the page was created outside the encyclopedia article space and approved by an administrator. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Lets get our verbs right here. Companies do not have an article at Wikipedia.  See WP:OWN.  No article is "maintained" by a company like they would maintain a Myspace page or a website.  There are articles about companies, just like there are articles about people, insects, chemical compounds, wars, historical events, sports teams, works of literature, etc. etc.  Articles about companies are held to the exact same standards as articles about, say, an insect or a work of literature, or anything else really.  -- Jayron  32  20:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Tag "Feedback needed"
Is there a tag available for inviting readers to give feedback on a specific article that is frequently visited, but rarely changed or expanded?77.162.130.139 (talk) 17:53, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There's the tag if it needs expansion; otherwise, simply tag it with whichever specific problems it has.  Giftiger Wunsch    [TALK]  18:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You could also try requesting that feedback be given for an article by listing it at WP:FEED.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  18:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

how to
how to make a colspan in a colspan?-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 18:42, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean. Can you link to a table and explain how you want it to look? PrimeHunter (talk) 18:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It sounds like you may be referring to Nested Tables which should be avoided, but that article should help you out. If you have something specific you're working on, please reference that page. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * its here, do you see the hot adult contemporary column? i want to split it off to 2 columns, thx-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 12:58, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Another editor has split it into two columns, including the heading. Did you want to keep one heading for two columns? Then you can insert  before style in the first header cell and delete the second header cell. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Include my email address when other people are notified of changes I make
One of the options in the preferences is "Include my email address when other people are notified of changes I make." What does this mean? Searching the archives of the Help Desk turns up a similar question that was answered in part with the statement, "I don't think the quoted option has any effect here currently". Is this still true? Does this preference option really do nothing? Does Wikipedia ever give out my email address to anyone (administrators, checkusers, etc) under any other circumstances? Edgeweyes (talk) 18:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as I recall that functionality (notification of changes) is currently disabled on En Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not disclose e-mail addresses to anyone. At the moment the e-mail address is used in the password reset function and to allow other users to contact you via the Special:EmailUser link. – ukexpat (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It was me who replied with your quote at Help desk/Archives/2009 August 27. I still think the quote holds. Note however that if email notifications of changes are enabled at the English Wikipedia in the future then the option will get an effect, so don't select it if you want to protect your email address. Privacy policy says: "The email address put into one's user preferences may be used by the Foundation for communication." Administrators cannot access it. I don't know who else can but I guess checkusers cannot. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:30, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You should note that when you use the EmailUser function, it sends your email to the person you are emailing, so it's not 100% true that Wikipedia does not disclose email addresses to anyone.Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

improper deletion of my uploaded images
Acather96 has just deleted all my recently uploaded images, on the grounds that I have not provided rationale for fair use. In fact, these are not used under the fair use clause. I have stipulated that they are non-free, used with permission of the copyright holder, which in most cases is, in fact, ME. Perhaps I need an additional tag. Can some expert please advise me as to what I can do? Thank you.E. S. V. Leigh (talk) 19:39, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Great question, it would be best answered over at the page specifically intended for your question. Please see WP:IMAGEHELP. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't deleted any images (I'm not an admin), but have tagged them for deletion under WP:CSD. I explained to the user on my talk page, see this thread. Thanks, Acather96 (talk) 20:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi E. S. V. Leigh. Explicit permission for use here, without the picture being freely licensed so our end users can also use it at will, leaves unchanged our ability or inability to use the copyrighted image. In other words, we are simply left with a copyrighted image we can't use, as if such permission had never been given. This is because our licenses require that Wikipedia content be freely reusable in various ways, including for commercial purposes. We can, however, use certain copyrighted images under a claim of fair use. You were tagging these with Non-free with permission. That tag is only used in addition to a claim of free use. As far as I can tell, this is a rarely used, "comfort tag", showing that the copyright holder themselves approves of the fair use, but it does not change the underlying issue. The tag itself says in its body "This tag must be used in conjunction with another fair-use image tag. If no other tag is present on this page, and this image was uploaded after May 19, 2005, please speedily delete this image..."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:39, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Ask to remove personal details from image history
I kindly ask from administrators to remove my full name (that appears in the image's history) from File:Ehud Barak260808.jpg and leave only my user name if needed. thanks, Carny (talk) 22:01, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The image is at the Wikimedia Commons, and is only shown here. The vast majority of Wikipedia administrators are not also Commons administrators so this request is unlikely to reach anyone who can delete anything from the image's page history. I suggest you repost your request at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard and/or at the Commons:Help desk. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OKCarny (talk) 22:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)