Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 September 30

= September 30 =

Moving an article from my user page to public space
Hello,

For one of my classes, I had to create a wikipedia article. I have just about finished the article and need to have it public by Saturday. Right now, the article is in my userspace. How do I make it 'go live' or be visible or searchable to the public?

Thank you!

username: Anneelias —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anneelias (talk • contribs) 00:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Pictogram voting wait.svg|20px]] I'm checking it out now. Just wait a couple of seconds and I'll come back with an answer!  THENEW M O NO   01:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * THENEW M O NO  01:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I just wanted to make sure the article was suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Good news: it is! Before you publish it, please write a brief introduction (in the lead paragraph, where you have Harry M. Lydenberg in bold) similar to the one in Steve Jobs (but probably not that long) that summarizes the content of the article. After you've done that, just find the arrow at the top of the page (as shown in the image to the right), hover, and select 'move'. Then, type the title of the article (the target of the move: Harry M. Lydenberg) and as the 'reason' type 'Moving userspace draft to mainspace'. Ask me or post here if you need any help/ THENEW M O NO   01:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC).

Finding pages whose protection recently expired?
I'm wondering if there's any page (maybe a special page?) that lists pages whose protection/semi-protection has recently expired. This would make it easy to remove the page protection templates from the top of a newly non-protected page. Thanks in advance! --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 02:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * DumbBOT already does that, but I don't know how it finds them. DMacks (talk) 02:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe it uses Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't know about DumbBOT. Thanks! --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 02:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ahem. -- Jayron  32  04:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm, how does this apply? Trust me, I'm not going to vandalize pages. I'm interested in helping out 'round here. --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 04:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

With You I'm Born Again
The picture I'm uploading isn't showing up in the Infobox. What's the problem with my picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pat.moriarty92 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There were two "Image" fields in the infobox template. And please sign your posts on the Help Desk (and other 'talk' pages) with four ~'s.  Thanks, Dismas |(talk) 04:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that's the least of this article's problems - how or why is it notable? – ukexpat (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

IRC
I want to access the Wikipedia IRC channels without having to download anything, not even Addons. I am aware of the possibility to go through http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikipedia-en-help, but I seek to hide my IP address. I know that I can apply for IP cloaks, but I don't want to go through that. In sum, is there any online hosts through which I can access the Wikipedia IRC and that do not display my IP? I know http://www.mibbit.com/ exists, but I could not reach the Wikipedia channels after scrolling to "Webchat". I also don't know if it hides my IP. I thank anyone who can provide me with a clear, helpful answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agewk (talk • contribs) 04:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I am aware, there is no way to hide your IP address in IRC without cloaking. I'm not sure why you don't want to go with cloaking, as it's not that hard to do. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 09:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of good IRC clients, but still I don't think there are any clients that can hide your IP without cloaking. But cloaking is a very easy process, and shoudn't take much time, so I recommend it if you want to hide your IP and access IRC. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 11:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you did hide your IP without cloaking, Freenode (who run the IRC channels) would ban you anyway; it's important on IRC to be able to know whether two people are the same so that if someone's disruptive, they can be banned without the ability to immediately change their name and come back again. Hiding IPs is what cloaks are for, just like hiding IPs is what Wikipedia usernames are for. If you're particularly worried about privacy of your IP, it may be best not to use IRC at all. --ais523 19:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

What is a 'Box Back Coat'
Is or was a 'Box Back Coat' an expensive or a cheap one, common or special, fashion or out of date, what material is it made of ?

Please answer to

Sincerely, Alfred H.G. Schumann Germany —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.21.54.229 (talk) 05:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed your email, as you were told in giant red letters when you asked your question, not to post your email. -- Jayron  32  05:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A quick google search indicates that it was likely a coat which had a box pleat in the back of the coat. This website:  has a picture of one, as does this one:  though it does not show the back.  It appears to have been in fashion during the Victorian era.  -- Jayron  32  06:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorting numerical tables
If one uses the sorter, for example in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality the sort is alphabetical rather than numerical. For example, in sorting on the first column, UN R/P 10% (ratio of income of richest 10% to that of poorest 10%) the ordering comes out: 10.8, 10.9, 105, 11.1, etc. Yet 105 is not between 10.9 and 11.1. (I realize this is not really a question, but in looking through the help/contact sections, I could not find anywhere else to post this comment.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.110.250 (talk) 07:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That's very strange. When I try sorting the first column at List of countries by income equality it works properly. Perhaps this is browser-dependent - I'm using Internet Explorer 8. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I've now identified the problem but don't have a solution for you. Your IP address suggests you are located in France. When I switch my Windows preferences to use French settings for dates, times and numbers, I find that the list does not sort correctly. The sorting is handled by Javascript within your browser; that code must be looking at your system configuration to work out what "10.5" means; and in France ten-and-a-half would be written as "10,5" not "10.5". -- John of Reading (talk) 08:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * When N/A is at the top the next sorting is alphabetical. You could either remove the texts "N/A" or apply Template:Nts.--Patrick (talk) 10:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * If "N/A" causes the sorting to be alphabetical, how do you explain the observed difference in the sort sequence after switching the Windows preferences between English and French? -- John of Reading (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * For the mentioned column I get a cycle of 4, numeric and alphabetic sorting, ascending and descending. Are you sure you get just numeric sorting?--Patrick (talk) 12:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't understand your comment until I tried it. Yes, with multiple clicks I can get both numeric and alphabetical sorting. But I'm not surprised the OP didn't discover this behaviour; I've never seen any other software do this. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

loading a new article
Please, I do not want to be rude, and maybe I am just stupid, but I have spent days trying to find out how I actually LOAD a new article. The closest I can get after spending hours navigating through all of your links is the discovery that I need to "move" my created article. Move it to WHERE? All of your instructions seem to be written for tekkies. It would be good, please, just to have a simple, straightforward instruction. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allanpiper (talk • contribs) 07:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I just left a welcome message on your talk page. And about moving the article, it's already telling in the template on top of the page you're trying to move; you might want to read WP:MADEDRAFT page and seek for feedback WP:FEED. Hope this helps. Cheers! ~ Elitropia (talk) 08:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: The article is currently at User:Mainspace/Ernest So after a series of moves. We really need to simplify the advice we give to new users in this area. I've posted some ideas at this talk page -- John of Reading (talk) 08:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * What's complicated in So you made a userspace draft? – ukexpat (talk) 14:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, saw your comment about "mainspace" and that's a valid point. – ukexpat (talk) 14:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Admin help please - I just munged a move of the article back to a user subpage by moving it to User:Allanpiper /Ernest So, and now cannot move it back to User:Allanpiper/Ernest So. Would a passing admin please unmunge this for me, thanks and apologies. My only excuse is that it's been a very long day already. – ukexpat (talk) 14:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. TFOWR 14:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * – ukexpat (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Back to the original question by - Your article has now been moved back to User:Allanpiper/Ernest So. When it is ready to be moved to mainspace, use the "Move" tab and enter just "Ernest So" in the "To new name" box (without the quotes). -- John of Reading (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist bug
I'm using the MonoBook skin and this morning when I look at my watchlist everything except the logo in the left-hand sidebar has moved to the bottom of the page, below all the text. Screenshot here. I'm using Safari 5.0.2 and it only seems to be a problem in this browser (works fine in Firefox). Lexicografía (talk) 12:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Same problem here on Chrome, had already raised it at Village Pump/Technical. DuncanHill (talk) 12:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll go there. Lexicografía (talk) 12:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thread is at Village pump (technical). DuncanHill (talk) 12:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia & HIPAA
I am currently researching public sources of medical information on the internet and I am including Wikipedia in my assignment. However, in looking for Wikipedia's involvement in HIPAA, I was unable to find any specific information. Could you tell me more about how wikipedia does or does not comply to HIPAA guidelines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.184.42.3 (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * HIPAA, Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. You are looking for information on the employees of the Wikimedia Foundation that manages Wikipedia ? You would have to look trough the information at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home . Annual report, financial report and the foundation policies. If you cannot find it there, then you will probably have to phone the office. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 12:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My guess is that OP was getting at something else. I'm no expert on HIPAA, but have had some involvement in a personal way. Among other things, the law puts restrictions on the distribution of certain information. Given the generally open view of Wikipedia on sharing info, it might be that policies of WP may be in conflict with, or need changing in light of HIPAA rules. While I guess that we have some over-arching policy saying we mean to comply with local laws, is it possible, for example, our BLP rules suggest information about a medical condition of a person can be published, and, in light of HIPAA, that rule should be modified. I'm just speculating here, as I think the OP was driving at something other than the disclosure rules as they relate to WP employees.--  SPhilbrick  T  14:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In general, Wikipedia does not store personal health information about any person. However, someone could post a person's personal medical information on Wikipedia.  In that case, there would be a HIPAA violation, but it would be the fault of the person who posted the information.  It is up to the lawyers to decide if the medium in which the personal information was transferred should share in the blame.  Further, protecting personal heath information is only part of HIPAA.  Much of HIPAA deals with health information transportability.  Wikipedia does assist in the sense that many ICD9 and CPT codes are easily located in Wikipedia.  Medication names (and brandnames) are easy to find.  Laboratory information is still rather lacking.  Helping normalize and encode health data is one part of assisting in data transportability. --  k a i n a w &trade; 14:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * (e/c) In that case. Such information is not allowed in Wikipedia, unless substantially sourced, which would mean that it is probably News. When 3rd parties would post such information, it will generally be removed (and even suppressed, based on the type of information) when the community is notified of such things. We probably cannot be prosecuted, because we are not a covered entity. "Covered entities include health plans, health care clearinghouses, such as billing services and community health information systems, and health care providers that transmit health care data in a way that is regulated by HIPAA". —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 14:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Can't use Wikipedia in my usual browser because Wiki thinks I am a Script
Hello,

due to the recently exposed security problems (involuntary user tracking across the Web by UserAgent info from the browser, technically known as Side-Channel-Leak) I have disabled my UserAgent in Firefox 3, browser I typically use. In order to protect myself from this new form of Web abuse. UserAgent is absolutely irrelevant for most websites, including Wikipedia. All other websites I have encountered since this change work just fine. As they should.

At Wikipedia pages instead, I am denied any access (I can't see any Wiki page) and given following error message: "Scripts should use an informative User-Agent string with contact information, or they may be IP-blocked without notice. "

I am not a Script. I am a real person!

UserAgent has no ability to distinguish whether I am a real person or not. Please stop using it for that purpose. Do expect more people to disable it in near future due to above mentioned security concerns.

Can you help me resolve this problem?

Dusan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.48.5 (talk) 15:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The tech section of the Village Pump is probably the best place to discuss this. – ukexpat (talk) 16:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see the User-Agent policy. Especially the last paragraph " Note that some plugins or proxies for privacy enhancement may suppress this header. However, for anonymous surfing, it is recommended to send a generic User-Agent string, instead of suppressing it or sending an empty string. Note that other features are much more likely to identify you to a website - if you are interested in protecting your privacy, visit the panopticlick project"—Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A blank User Agent is even more suspicious than a generic one, and easier to track; hardly anyone has a blank user-agent string. For privacy, just look at what the most common user-agent string is for the browser you're using (pick a generic Firefox UA string if you're using Firefox, for instance), and use that. --ais523 19:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Template for difference
Hi, I'm looking for a template that can calculate the difference between two numbers, is there any such template? /Caelus sv (talk) 16:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if such a template exists. Even if it does, why do you need a template to do that? Are the numbers being subtracted changing? TN X Man  16:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know a template doing only that but the parser function #expr can do it. For example,  evaluates as . See more at Help:Calculation. Does this work for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Try Subtraction. WikiCopter    Radio-icon.svg   List icon.gif   Formerly AirplanePro 17:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that works fine! I'm working on a table with some numbers and needed a faster way than to use the Windows calculator and copypaste. :) /Caelus sv (talk) 17:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Now added to Category:Mathematical function templates. – ukexpat (talk) 18:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible to open the edit window in a separate tab?
On the old style Wikipedia, I could right click the edit tab, but in the new style I can't. Is there a way to do this without using the old style? 90.219.11.180 (talk) 16:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * If you're talking about using WP:Vector, I can right click the edit button at the top and select open in a new tab. I'm using Google Chrome though. --Devourer09 17:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Logged out users automatically get WP:Vector. It works for me in Firefox. What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Where is the request for higher quality image page?
Isn't there a category or something for images that have been tagged for request for a higher quality version or something like that? I forgot where it is and would like to work on it. --WikiDonn (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * See Graphic Lab. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I found it. It was Category:Images with inappropriate JPEG compression. Now that I look at your page, shouldn't this page be listed on that one in the list of page improvement categories? --WikiDonn (talk) 17:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Be boooooooooooold! Devourer09 18:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Graphic Lab already lists Category:Images for cleanup which contains Category:Images with inappropriate compression which contains Category:Images with inappropriate JPEG compression. I don't think the whole category tree should be listed at Graphic Lab. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Upload photo
Dear Wikipedia employee,

I want to replace the picture of a person on Wikipedia. The image I want to replace it with comes directly from herself, as she is my employer. So I have permission to do so. I can't find how I can replace the picture and add other pictures. Can you help me?

Then for some other matters: There are a lot of notes placed on top about what's wrong with the page. I am currently fixing these flaws in the text and sources, but want to know when these warnings will disappear or how I can make these go away once these issues are fixed. Can you also help me with this?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Kind regards, Lee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisette84 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * For your second question, anyone can remove the tags if they feel the issues have been addressed. Note, however, that if the issues are not addressed, anyone can re-add the tags. You should also read our information about conflict of interest. For your image questions, I've included some standard advice below.
 * If you want to add an existing image to an article, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information.
 * If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy. I hope this helps. TN X Man  18:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy. I hope this helps. TN X Man  18:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

potential deletion of Mary Nissenson entry
I've just spent over an hour, trying to figure out how to use your dispute process. I genuinely LOVE wikipedia -- but, in all due deference, you've made the "instructions" on filing disputes so verbose, arcane and incomprehensible that I gave up. So, I'm hoping you will pass this on to the appropriate party.

I've never had the pleasure of actually meeting Ms. Nissenson (so I'm not going to pretend to be a close friend, associate or even "expert" on her, per se) but '''she DID save my husband's life, through the advice column she wrote for pain victims at www.pain.com. Actually, we knew about her, long before then, because Dave was a big fan when she was on TV. (I think that's part of why he took her help so seriously, when he was trying to kill himself some years back. He has a horrible pain condition that, at the time, he didn't think he could live with and still have a life worth living, at all.) We've both followed Mary's path through life, ever since, with great admiration, gratitude and respect.

When we first saw that you FINALLY had an entry on her several days ago, we were THRILLED! In fact, we sent a link to it to just about everyone we know, including everyone Dave works with at his packing company. Only moments later (or at least, that's how it felt) we were HORRIFIED when friends started calling us up and telling us you were DELETING her. Dave and I are praying with all our hearts that Ms. Nissenson is unaware of this debacle. We can't bear to think how humiliating it would be.

I truly mean no offense, but ARE YOU GUYS NUTS??? If you have done ANY (and I do mean ANY) actual research on this woman you will know that the entry only skimmed the surface of what she's accomplished -- despite having lost 15 years of her life to one of the most devastating pain conditions known to man. (Many patients who get RSD in a hand or foot REQUEST AMPUTATION, because they'd rather lose a body part, than live with the pain. Not an option for Mary, since she has the rarest form of RSD. It's in her cranium.

We just found her page on a site called "Linked-In" -- which I'm assuming you guys now about. YOU NEED TO READ IT. We know, from a news story that was done in Hawaii, that Mary was still homebound until December of last year. In the mere nine months that she's been back on her feet, she has helped create a campaign to fight the deadliest disease on the planet -- taken the lead in planning an historic Middle East Peace Summit -- helped develop a campaign to reduce childhood obesity (working with the First Lady, I think) -- AND is teaching graduate journalism courses in San Francisco. (sorry, I don't remember the name of the school, but it's probably on that site I mentioned)

We just heard a talk by Darryl Roberts (who produced the America the Beautiful documentary Mary is featured in). Did you know he's making a FEATURE FILM ON MARY NISSENSON'S LIFE??? Do you think he'd be doing that if she weren't everything you guys wrote about her... and MORE????

You don't have to take my word for it. Just Google her. There are about 19 pages of articles, books, TV reports, etc on Mary. (We saw her featured on OPRAH a few years back, ourselves.)

PLEASE, in the name of the heavenly father, DON'T DELETE YOUR ENTRY ON MARY NISSENSON. It would be an unpardonable offense, not merely to her, but to your READERS, many of whom I'm sure she has helped, just as she helped my Dave.

I know it doesn't mean anything to you guys, but Dave and I have sworn on our Bible that we will NEVER ever use Wikipedia again if you take this wonderful woman out, or in any way minimize her accomplishments.

Thank you for at least hearing me out. God Bless you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PainPatientAdvocate (talk • contribs) 18:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * We cannot help you here - please make your case against deletion in the discussion at Articles for deletion/Mary nissenson, but be aware that our sole inclusion criterion is notability. – ukexpat (talk) 18:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Also note that the current "article" is such a cluttered mess that it is impossible to retrieve any comprensible information from it, or to verify the claims that are apparently being made; and that the creator of this mess didn't even know enough English to capitalize Nissenson's name. The current thinking on the Article for Discussion page is that there is nothing salvageable in what was posted here. (And sites like LinkedIn are not reliable sources for an encyclopedia article.) -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Adding information to whitelist talk page
I'm looking to find out the most proper procedure for adding information to the whitelist talk page. I am connected to one of the sites being reviewed, so there is a clear conflict of interest and the stigma associated with a blacklist site, so I don't want to rush in and post information in an unsolicited way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.165.48.46 (talk) 19:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * As long as you disclose your conflict of interest, I think your contribution would be welcome. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Difference between note, reference, external link and futher reading
I am evaluating the articles on individual statins. Some writers use notes, some use references, some use external links and some have a further reading list. Are they guidelines about when to use each type of footnote. IF yes can you tell me where they are in the style manual? Is it up to each individual writer. Thanks, Natalie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.254.3.100 (talk) 21:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The only section that is required is that of References. A list of references to reliable sources that verify information in the article is contained in that section. Each reference is given a number which can then be used to identify which parts of the article are verified by which reference.
 * The other sections each are optional and have specific definitions. The Notes section, as its name implies, is generally for explanatory footnotes. Further reading and external links are lists of books and websites, respectively, which in the writer's judgement include additional information that would enhance the article, but for a variety of reasons (for instance, the source is overly detailed or has a abstruse style of writing) cannot be included in the article itself. As far as I know, external links are standard while further reading is not.
 * Some writers, especially when referencing article text to books or other printed material, choose to put references to specific pages in a book ("Smith, 37-39") in a "Notes" section, then cite the entire book itself in a "References" or "Further reading" section. I don't believe this is standard practice anymore, instead writers should combine all references into one section.
 * Wikipedia's manual of style is here, but it does not give much consideration to this topic. In general, only the "References" list is absolutely required, and the other lists can be used as the article requires them. Xenon54 (talk) 21:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Excellent explanation, Xenon54. And might I add, it doesn't qualify as references if you title a section "References" just to have that section and then but put non-reference stuff in it. I've seen that in a few articles. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * (e/c) Hi Natalie. These are not simply alternatives but fundamentally different things (well most of them are). Note and references are both used for citing sources normally. Generally, a references section, when alone, is where the citations appear that point to a source that verifies one or more facts in the text that the citation is added to verify. A notes section is often used when an article has a reference that lists larger works and people are pointing their footnotes to specific page or section of that work. See here for an example. Confusingly, they are sometimes mixed an matched in various ways. Notes sections also may contain actual notes (parenthetical additions to the text) along with the citations, and occasionally they only contain parenthetical notes). External links sections are places to post links to external websites that may contain information that a person reading the article might wish to also look at, which contain additional information to that which is in the article. See External links. Further reading section material has some overlap with external links, but contain recommendations for other material a person might like to read or view that is broader than just external websites—books that may or may not be available online at all, documentaries, other related Wikipedia articles, and so on (and once again, it is not for citation material). You can see WP:FURTHERREADING, but that write-up is rather anemic. Note that an article that contains only an external links section, only a further reading section, or both, but not a references/notes section, is considered unsourced; as having no references.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The MOS does cover this in a subpage in some detail. See Manual_of_Style_(layout).  It does explain the standard sections, and how they are generally used. -- Jayron  32  04:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Photograph credits
Hi! Jeff Watson (guitarist) indicates "Photo: Mark Britain" next to a photograph. The user is asking if he can also have an in-article text credit for another photograph of his.

Is there a policy or guideline that indicates when in-text photograph credits. If a policy doesn't prohibit it, I wouldn't mind giving an in-text credit for his photo at Huntsville Unit. I'll add the text now, but I will watch this discussion in case there is something that discourages or prohibits in-text credits. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Manual of Style (captions) is a guideline against it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright - thank you very much :) WhisperToMe (talk) 02:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Categories
Do I have this right? If I add category A to an article, and A is a subcategory of AB, and AB is a subcategory of ABC, and ABC is a subcategory of ABCD, and ABCD is a subcategory of ABCDE, then just by adding A to the article, the article will be also in categories AB, ABC, ABCD, and ABCDE, and adding those to it in addition to category A is redundant?--162.84.165.250 (talk) 23:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No that's wrong. The article will only be in category A. In order to find it from the other categories you will have to click through the right subcategories. Articles can be added to both a category and a subcategory by placing them both on the article but this should not be done in most cases (there are exceptions). PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Image link
Where is the mediawiki page that shows "(image link)" in the Special:WhatLinksHere pages? I want to change it to "(file link)" instead, for consistency. :| TelCo NaSp  Ve :|  23:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess it can be changed for the English Wikipedia at MediaWiki:Isimage which shows "image link" as default for MediaWiki installations. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)