Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 September 9

= September 9 =

Talking to Wiki Admins about articles
Hi, I recently just posted an article and need help editing the name of the article. Specifically, I need to capitalize the last name. Also, my article is in question as being related to the featured person, COI. This is not the case and I'm wondering what I need to do to change this. Is there a chat function or a way to go back and forth with wiki admins? I used wiki 3 years ago and figured out how to do live chat, but now I can't seem to find it anywhere. Transmedia101 (talk) 00:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)Transmedia101


 * . Looks like you figured out how to move the article to the correct title. As for conflict of interest, see my comments on the article's talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 01:57, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The chat function; log on to our IRC Help channel now.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  02:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Previously deleted picture, but I own.
Would like to resubmit/upload a picture I own, to Wikipedia, and give Wikipedia rights to distribute it, but I keep receiving a warning notice to look at my deletion log. Image was previously deleted because I uploaded it twice, and clicked on an incorrect licensing. What steps do I need to take from here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikakeaulii (talk • contribs) 02:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear Mikakeaulii, actually you are not reading your messages properly. An administrator, C. Fred, has already given you details on how to upload your image. I reproduce his statement from your talk page.
 * If you hold the rights over the image and the ability (and willingness) to donate it to Wikipedia, you'll need to send an email verifying your intent. Please see the directions at Donating copyrighted materials. Do bear in mind that uploading it to Wikipedia grants free, unrestricted use of the image, so long as you are attributed as the creator in any derivative uses (including commercial uses). —C.Fred(talk) 21:44, 31 August 2010 (UTC)''
 * Therefore Mikakeaulii, kindly follow the instructions. If in doubt, do please leave a message with C.Fred. In case you need future help, feel free to write back.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    ―Œ  ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  02:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You should upload to Commons. Take a look at Commons First Steps for assistance. – ukexpat (talk) 02:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Need help with code
Hello. I am trying to design a collapsible userbox design, and I found this one from User:Mitternacht90. However, I am having some problems. How do I move it to the left instead of the right? And why does it partically cover up the first userbox in the first column? Thanks for any help, --The High Fin Sperm Whale 03:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To align the userbox-box, simply fill in the "align" parameter of the template. To do this, simply replace " " with "  ", just as you would do to any other template when filling in parameters. Check out the template's documentation for other nifty things you can do, such as adjusting colors.
 * As for the userbox-box covering up the first userbox, I'm not sure what the problem is there; if you're talking about the box on Mitternacht90's userpage, it looks fine for me. The positioning might be shifted based on the browser you use. Hope this helps. ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 04:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On Mitternacht90's userpage, you can't see it because he only has one set of userboxes. Click show on the first set. --The High Fin Sperm Whale 04:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see - the boxes apparently don't have collision detection, if that's what one calls it. I experimented around a bit, and found an apparent fix. Add " " to the bottom of the first list of userboxes, right after the last userbox. That seems to make the second set shift down upon expanding the first one, instead of them simply overlapping. ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 04:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * SuperHamster, you're a genius! Thanks! --The High Fin Sperm Whale 05:05, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Set 1 (Click show)

Code
USERBOX GROUP 1 USERBOXES

USERBOX GROUP 2 USERBOXES

Image pushed into background
Can someone give me some advice on the images at Entranceway at Main Street at Roycroft Boulevard which appear to be in the background under the text for some reason.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:54, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Is it a problem with the multiple image template? Have you tried using a different template, like "gallery" or maybe adding the images without a template at all?  -- Jayron  32  05:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I use Template:Multiple image all over the place. It is not a problem at 2008–09 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team, for example.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Solved. The problem was an empty  parameter. The template was also changed to prevent this to happen in the future. --Waldir talk 17:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thanks for the fast response to my post at Template talk:Multiple image. – ukexpat (talk) 18:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

A question that had no heading, about books
How do i get books for reading about May 21, 2010. and Octiber 21, 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.205.182.26 (talk) 07:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your question is not clear. What kind of books? We have May 2010 which links to some articles on Wikipedia relating to that day. You could arrange them into a book if you wanted to. See Books and Help:Books. If you mean some other kind of book, please clarify. --Teratornis (talk) 08:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

What To Do If Articles In Different Languages Don't Match Up?
I was on the article for roadkill, and I noticed it linked to the Japanese page ja:轢死 (rekishi; death by being run over) as the corresponding page for that article in Japanese, and the Japanese linked back to roadkill. The thing is, 轢死 refers to anything being killed by a motor vehicle and is not limited to just animals, hence it has a subsection on roadkill. How do you deal with articles that don't exactly correspond to the subjects of other languages' articles? Like, for example, if someone reading the Japanese wikipedia wanted to read an English article that included information on human motor vehicle deaths, they would be directed to roadkill.Ziiv (talk) 08:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * For incoming links from elsewhere within a given language project that might surprise the reader, one could clarify the target article with a hatnote. I cannot recall seeing an article with a hatnote to clarify a potentially misleading incoming link from another language project - but I haven't seen all of Wikipedia, so maybe something like that is out there somewhere. I can't think of an obvious reason why you couldn't use such a hatnote, but that doesn't mean nobody else would object. My initial reaction is to suggest that people should not expect interlanguage links to be bulletproof, for exactly the reason in your example - there is not always a one to one correspondence between articles on different language Wikipedias. So my first notion would be to not worry about it too much. If someone is following interlanguage links, they're kind of taking a risky adventure. If nobody else has a good answer here, read Help:Interlanguage links and all its talk page archives to see if anyone has dealt with this problem before. --Teratornis (talk) 09:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

ICICI Bank Information.
Dear Administrator,

We are from ICICI Bank. We had submitted a write-up giving all the updated information about ICICI Bank as of year 2009-10. This information was accompanied with all the links and citations which makes it completely credible. However, we noticed that the information on the site has not been changed. We request you to make the desired changes as soon as possible so that people seeking information about ICICI Bank do not receive outdated information.

Kindly do the needful.

Regards, ICICI Bank Team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ICICI Bank (talk • contribs) 10:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I have blocked your account as it would appear to be a "role account" - designed to act as an "official account" for the bank. Such accounts are prohibited per our Username Policy. Secondly, the account only had one edit - the one to this page - and I can see no recent changes to either ICICI Bank or ICICI Bank Canada which could have been your work. Perhaps you did not save it? Without further information, I cannot help any further. However, I would suggest that before you re-submit such information, please note that a company's own website or press releases are not considered reliable for the purposes of Wikipedia - the information needs to be cited from sources which are 'reliable' and independent of the company - see the Independent sources and reliable sources guidelines. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 10:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Your attempted edit on 10 August was blocked by an edit filter. It can be seen by clicking "filter log" at the top of Special:Contributions/ICICI Bank. Blocked edits are not submitted for review but I can see it contained a lot of advertisement and was very inappropriate for Wikipedia, especially the "Customer Compliments" part with praise copied from the bank's own website. See FAQ/Organizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, PrimeHunter - I totally forgot to check the filter log! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 11:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Test of urinary sodium (Na) & urinary osmolarity
Dear Sir' As per test report of Urinary sodium (24 Hrs) & Urinary osmolarity received from Popular Diagnastic Center Ltd. and Apollo Hospital respectively. The result and reference value as shown in the report are furnished below:

SL       Name of Hospital           Name of Test     Result    Unit I would Please let me know —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.38.34 (talk) 14:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I am unsure what you are asking, but this is a place to ask questions on How to use Wikipedia. If you are asking for medical advice, then we cannot give that here. If you are asking something that doesn't concern medical advice, then then you might consider asking this question at the reference desk. The reference desk may be found here WP:RD. I hope this helps.  Fei noh a   Talk, My master 14:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.  GB fan  15:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

How do I edit the title of my site?
How do I edit the title of my site? I put an apostrophe where it shouldn't be. The site I'm making is about a school and it says, "Journey's School" right now and it SHOULD say, "Journeys School." Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.103.99 (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about this page, Journey's School of Teton Science School?  GB  fan  14:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Could be. That one is incorrect. Moved page now. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 15:05, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The article was largely composed of cut-and-paste copyvios and brochurespeak. I think the subject satisfies WP:N though, as an accredited high school and probably also through its architectural and environmental interest, so I've cut all the unacceptable stuff and done a bit of cleanup.   Ka renjc 20:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I did a little more cleanup and moved the article to Journeys School per WP:COMMONNAME. – ukexpat (talk) 20:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Balkanization animation broken
The GIF animation at the top of the Balkanization article is broken; it should change frames every 5 seconds (I think), but does not. The underlying file works fine; it's only the scaled-down versions for the and article page that fail to animate. I searched the FAQ and help, finding no explanation of this behavior. Orborde (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that it's supposed to be animated (not all GIFs are)? I just downloaded the file and checked its properties, it said that there was only 1 frame. Perhaps you mean a different file?  Fei noh a   Talk, My master 15:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm certain it's supposed to be animated. Look at the original uploaded file and see for yourself (frame length is 5 seconds). Note that the image on the Wikipedia file page is a "de-animated" resized version like the one in the article. Orborde (talk) 15:39, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * After making the above, post I made a test to the sandbox. When I did so, it seems that the un-thumbnailed file animated, while the thumbnailed version of it did not. I am not sure whether it is a MediaWiki issue, or a limitation of the GIF format. Perhaps someone here, might be more knowledgeable on this matter.  Fei noh a   Talk, My master 16:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See Village pump (technical) With 43 frames it's above 12.5 megapixels. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

conflicting sources
i'm having a problem dealing with a situation. it is happening in the articles about Mahmud Ahmadenijad. There are two very stong accusations standing against him. The first one is holocaust denial, and the other one is threating to wipe israel off the map. the thing is that different sources interpet his words differently. some souces would say that he did not say either things. other sources say that hi did. what should be done? the current editor insist to display a picture in which he DID SAY both things, with the details and the controversy in the sections. I think that since most readers read the prefix, it is not a good solution. How can one deal with a situation of conflicting sources? It is importat to say that in this case, the "vilifying sources" are mostly origined in enemy states, which adds additional level of sensitivity.. not sure what to do Eyalmc (talk) 15:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't trust Iranian media for a second. Using those sources, which I'm sure would not hesitate to tell you he has never said such things, would be like presenting North Korea's rather humourous "official biography" of Kim Jong-Il as complete truth. (If you read the article, you see the editors do a good job of presenting actual fact and using it to refute various parts of his biography.) Back to Ahmadenijad, there is videotaped proof that he has repeatedly made both statements. It is a fact. Sources which deny this are considered questionable and should not be used, unless you plan to present both viewpoints (for example, "Iranian media has repeatedly denied that Ahmadenijad has made such statements.")
 * That's as far as I'm willing to go. This is not a forum for dispute resolution. Xenon54 (talk) 20:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The article looks OK to me, and it does say "...although this may have been an inaccurate translation", which I gather is your issue - not that he didn't say this, but that the translation from Parsi should be "regime" and not "entity". I would recommend not worrying about it. Apparently it has been discussed in detail over the years at the talk page for that article, and you're in the minority there. You could step up the dispute resolution ladder, but unless your position is pretty incontrovertible, that probably won't help and will just waste everyone's time. But its your right. You could post a request for more input at the talk page of WikiProject Iran, although that project is listed as only semi-active. If that doesn't help, you could open a Request for Comment to get input from uninvolved editors, see Requests for comment. Read that, and you can use this tool as an aid. But again, I don't think this is likely to result in the change you desire, and I would recommend just letting it go. Herostratus (talk) 20:57, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Dr. Bert M Petersen Page
I have been hired by Dr. Bert M. Petersen to complete redo his page by taking down all of his old information and adding his most current data. I thought it would be a no-brainer.

Unfortunately, it started an editing war. Every time I have put up new information, someone else is undoing it. Now, the page has been protected, and no changes can be made.

The doctor would like this taken care of ASAP. What steps must be taken to delete and outdated page and put up new information?

Tina Matsunaga Freelance Writer Writerwpurpose (talk) 17:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Off2riorob (talk) 18:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * First read WP:COI - you clearly have a massive, and almost insurmountable, COI. Then read WP:SPAM. Please use the article's talk page to suggest changes to the article, providing references to reliable sources so that other editors can review your request. – ukexpat (talk) 18:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you also User:CommunicationsCoordinator? If so, why are you using two accounts? – ukexpat (talk) 18:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that you have been hired to "clean up" Dr Petersen's page indicates that neither of you have the faintest idea of what Wikipedia is about. I suggest you tell him to read the Business FAQ (you should also read it yourself) as it appears you have attempted to turn the page into a résume and advertisement. This is very bad, as it compromises Wikipedia's goal to create a neutral, sourced encyclopaedia. In other words, we are absolutely prohibited from showing bias or telling you anything that someone else has not already written and published. To explain the second point further, all encyclopaedias are tertiary sources, which merely aggregate information already published in primary and secondary sources. Under no circumstances is a user allowed to synthesize information from published sources or publish original research or thought, both of which you have appear to have done. Xenon54 (talk) 20:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it would also help if you asked Dr. Petersen to read WP:OWN. Like other article subjects, he has no special control over the article about him and no right to maintain a version of it he prefers.  If he objects to any content on the grounds that it is inaccurate or gives undue weight to negative material, he can request that it be removed, corrected or rewritten.  If the offending material is not cited to reliable sources, this can be done uncontroversially; if the sources are good and reliable, it may well remain unchanged.  Any new material contributed to the article should comply with the policies Ukexpat has linked to above, and should cite reliable sources.  Dr. Petersen's firsthand accounts cannot be cited; the information should come from independent published sources.   Ka renjc 20:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

What are the steps to submitting an article?
I'm an autoconfirmed user, which (correct me if I'm wrong) means that I can now submit my article, i.e., move it into the main space. But I have no clue how to do it. If someone wouldn't mind walking me through the steps, I'd be forever grateful. Thanks. --infojunkie 18:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eanimal (talk • contribs)


 * Please read the guidance at WP:SYMUD. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

changed user name
I successfully changed my user name and this new username appears in the edits I've made except for one instance where my old user name still appears. Please assisit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kokosa21 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you change your user name via a request at WP:CHU or did you merely create a new account? If the latter, edits cannot be reattributed. – ukexpat (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ukexpat, The user was renamed, from Moko26: . If you (Kokosa21, not ukexpat) are referring to this one edit by Moko26 here, that's because you were renamed on the 22nd, but visited English Wikipedia on the 23rd while logged on as Moko26 on a sister project.  The software automatically created the Moko26 account for you (again).  You cannot merge these edits; as far as the software is concerned, they are two separate accounts.


 * If you're referring to the edit summary of the edit from 18:06 on 22 August shown here, that's because the name of the account who made the edit was changed when you were renamed, but you cannot change an edit summary.


 * So, no matter what you meant, it's going to stay that way, it is not technically possible to change it. However, there's no real harm, as a renamed account can always be tied to a previous name, so the link was always there to see anyway. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Archive 91 is not showing up in Wikiquette_alerts
Please see my comment at Wikipedia_talk:Wikiquette_alerts. I have received no response in 48 hours. I am using Safari 5.02 with Mac OS X 10.6.4. The archive navigation box only shows archives 1-90 (9 rows of 10). Could you point me to the correct place to report this issue? Thanks. Vyeh (talk) 18:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed with this edit. There was a hidden comment at the top of WQA explaining how to add a new row when the archive box fills up. You may have to purge your cache to see it. TN X Man  19:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I can see it. Vyeh (talk) 19:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

NEOPAGANISM???
There is no such thing! Really! Paganism has been passed down through centuries and is the oldest known religion to man! Sumerians were the first to practice a form of paganism! I understand why you added the prefix of Neo, however it is incorrect and unjust and even shows a measure of ignorance. All the articles on PAGANS should read just that WITHOUT the prefix of 'NEO'. Its very sad when christian oriented people try to collectively bash a religion or culture because of the obvious differences! There are only Pagans, Druids, etc... Smarten up! It didn't manifest overnight!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.255.59 (talk) 21:08, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a content dispute that should be discussed at Talk:Neopaganism. Vandalising the articles as you have done here and here is not helpful or productive. – ukexpat (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * We have articles on both Paganism and Neopaganism. The latter is a term in common use, appearing in dictionaries and mainstream media, and Wikipedia is a tertiary source, i.e. it is based on material that has previously been published in reliable sources elsewhere.  I have no idea whether the term "neopaganism" is part of some Christian conspiracy to attack a different religion or culture (although if it is, it doesn't appear to be a very effective one), but if you dislike the term and hope to stop its common use, your wrath should be aimed at the primary sources, not Wikipedia.  Ka renjc 19:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Religions constantly evolve, much like other social constructs (e.g. languages, music, art, fashion, political systems, sports, money, etc.). Therefore it is unlikely that any form of paganism practiced today is exactly the same as any ancient form. The various ancient forms probably weren't exactly the same as each other. The "Neo" prefix is probably someone's attempt to distinguish a modern version of an old practice. Getting upset about this makes as much sense as burning down an embassy over some cartoons. --Teratornis (talk) 07:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Trademarked Logo(s) in Templates?
An annonymus editor add the Opera (web browser) Logo to the Template:OperaBrowser. see edit here. The image is an svg file and marked as a trademark of Opera Software ASA. Now my question: is it allowed to add a copyright or trademarked image in a template? (I know a few edits a few months ago that revereted such edits, but can't remember who and where this was) Please lease a talkback on my page! mabdul 23:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That symbol is too simple to be copyrightable, hence the image is on Commons. As far as I know there is no policy or guideline against using a (non-copyrightable) trademark in a template as it is highly unlikely that such use would amount to trademark infringement. – ukexpat (talk) 00:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. What is with other examples there the image is copyright. Can remember of the Microsoft Windows icon in a template. mabdul 03:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I suspect that using a copyright image in a template would not comply with Wikipedia's non-free content criteria. – ukexpat (talk) 13:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)