Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 April 13

= April 13 =

Counterfeit
Intended Recipient,I have a question who would i contact as a united states citizen when the Court Room Judge Counterfeits Child Support percentage and begins robbing payroll of which i contacted the Judicial Commission of the State and the Governor and also the White House President and they are still robbing the payroll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.10.231.230 (talk) 00:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Legal no.png We cannot offer legal advice. Please see the legal disclaimer. Contact your lawyer.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Uploading file for internal use
If an editor wants to upload a file (say a scanned image of some pages from a book) to show another editor, how is that done? I know I've seen editors refer to scans in discussions of sources, but I didn't pay attention to where the files were. There's a lot of information about uploading image files to Wikipedia for official Wikipedia use, but that's different.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Scanned images from books are likely to be copyrighted and can not be hosted on Wikipedia/Commons. But yeah when dealing with such things, people usually upload it to an external image hosting service (or find a copy of it online) and simply link it back to the discussion as you would any external links.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  02:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Messed up AfD log entry
I messed something up at Articles for deletion/Log/2011 April 13 in the entry for List of conglomerates. Now it seems to be listed twice. How can I merge the two sections? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 01:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * you had transcluded the listing and it was entered intact, I removed the hard coded one. GB fan (talk) 01:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks very much. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 01:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait, I'm confused. Why are you taking an article to AfD that you have also prodded, and why have you created an AfD with no basis for deletion listed? Did you mean to post the basis you placed in the prod template as your basis at the deletion discussion? I see you also never included Afd1 in the article that you prodded, which further leads me to believe you may have cross-pollinated prod with AfD... have a phone call, back in a few.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I partially repaired the AFD, inserting the basis from the repeated duplicate in the kept entry. It still has the problem of a hybrid prod and afd. —teb728 t c 01:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed the prod template, since the article is already listed at afd. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 01:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I completed the AFD nomination by adding AFD to the top of the article. —teb728 t c 02:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, never got back, but of course it was taken care of. Toshio, if you follow the steps at WP:AFDHOWTO next time you won't have these problem. Just note that Prod and AfD are separate processes and don't share templates.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

add pictures
Cannot figure out how to add jpg's to a text edit. They are sitting in a folder on my desktop. How do I get them into the wiki page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.140.244 (talk) 02:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Images have to be uploaded first and then a link to them added to the text. See WP:UPLOAD.  Though, you'll have to create an account first.  And the images should be freely licensed and not just any images you found on the net.  Dismas |(talk) 02:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all, do you own the images or did you download them from somewhere? If and only if the images comply with Wikipedia's Image use policy should you upload them, otherwise they will be deleted. Please read all the guidelines carefully.


 * And yes, you would need to have an account first, either here or in Wikipedia's sister site: Wikimedia Commons. No matter which site you choose, the instructions for adding them to articles given below are the same.


 * If the images are entirely your own work or are released under a license compatible with Wikipedia, you can upload them here: Special:Upload in the English Wikipedia (or through here Upload in the Wikimedia Commons) . Instructions on how to add them to articles can be found here: Picture tutorial. The usual image syntax for adding pictures is  ... . Replace the first ellipsis (the ...) with the exact file name (including capitalization used), and replace the second with the intended caption. An example for File:Bananaquits.jpg given below will give you the picture to the right:


 * Bananaquits.jpg


 * See Uploading images for more info. .-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  03:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup request
Can somebody please clean up the mess at Angelo Mathews? I have no idea what's going on there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.255.9.36 (talk) 03:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I've reverted it to the last version which seemed to make sense. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 03:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I've also done a brief bit of copyediting CaptRik (talk) 08:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Unified Login with Account Lacking Email Address for Password Recovery?
My Spanish Wikipedia account didn't have an email address associated with it, and I do not remember its password. Consequently, I cannot setup unified login with my English Wikipedia account. Because my English and Spanish user pages are mutually linked to one another, is there a way to achieve a unified login? Thanks--Geremia (talk) 04:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This would probably require a steward, but could you usurp your own Spanish account, i.e. have that account renamed and then start a new account with your current name? -- Jayron  32  04:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don’t understand why es:Usuario:Geremías would be a problem. The username is different from yours. And it has only 3 edits; so the loss of the history shouldn’t be a concern. es:Usuario:Geremia does have your username. Created in Feb 2007, it has no edits; so usurpation should not be a problem. —teb728 t c 06:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will try usurping it.--Geremia (talk) 17:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

TICKS
CAN TICKS THAT LIVE ON DOMESTICATED DOGS LIVE UNDER WATER IF SO FOR HOW LONG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.110.169 (talk) 07:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * [[Image:P physics.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Science reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Can a search be directed to a dab page?
Hi - A search for "Thomas Erskine" takes you to Thomas Erskine who is one of several Thomas Erskines and probably not the most famous. Wouldn't it be better if a search for Thomas Erskine took you to the disambiguation page? I am not sure how this could be done. Would changing the name of Thomas Erskine to, say, Thomas Erskine (theologian) work, or would that just redirect?Southdevonian (talk) 08:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what the hat note link (ie - "for other uses, see...") in that article is for.    ArcAngel    (talk) ) 08:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering though if it was possible for the search to go straight to the disambiguation page (that is, not via the theologian page)? If, for example, you search for "John Smith" you will land on the disambiguation page, rather than any one individual John Smith with a link to the disambiguation page, and this is what I was hoping to be able to do for Thomas Erskine.Southdevonian (talk) 09:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Search always goes to a page of that exact name. The current Thomas Erskine could be moved to a new name like Thomas Erskine (theologian), and Thomas Erskine (disambiguation) then moved to Thomas Erskine if there is no primary topic. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * you can start a onsensus building discussion on the talk page and /or be bold and redirect the name to the dab page,Lihaas (talk) 12:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks - I changed the name to Thomas Erskine (theologian) and changed all the links to the page, some of which should have gone to other Thomas Erskines. But then I got stuck on changing the dab page to just Thomas Erskine. It said I couldn't change it as there was already a Thomas Erskine page (although the Thomas Erskine page is now only a redirect to the dab page). I shall ask for some admin help.Southdevonian (talk) 17:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC) On second thoughts I will leave it for a while and see if any of the Thomas Erskines emerge as a clear winner on views and links and if so do a redirect from Thomas Erskine to their page.Southdevonian (talk) 19:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You can put a on the page and someone will handle it...Naraht (talk) 15:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Complex web: Die cutting, the very hungry caterpillar, arts and crafts, childrens literature
I have been working on the article for The Very Hungry Caterpillar - which features die-cut holes to show eaten-through fruit and other foods. Other books by Eric Carle, and other childrens picture books, use die-cutting in various ways. I was hoping to square bracket the word 'die cut' if I used it in the article, but found I couldn't, and am trying to remedy that thoroughly before I change the text.

Also inspired by a friend who showed my her thin metal dies for her hobbyist die-cutting machine, I think that die-cutting in that hobby context is very significant. I would really like to create a good page. A google search brought up many many machines for hobbyist die cutting. I am struggling to find appropriate sources where this is discussed though.

Equally, on the book-front Book Design was a cold lead. I added some mention of children's literature formats - pop-up, die-cut - myself.I left comments and questions about improving the Die cutting (web) article on its talk page; mainly adding context about who uses the terminology and the techniques discussed. I don't think the page is watched much so I don't know what to do. I also hope that a die-cutting (arts and crafts) page and possibly the disambiguation page is replaced with a main article is created which discusses die-cutting historically and differentiates the terminology of different contexts clearly. I am looking for expert help on this; I created a red link on the Die cutting disambiguation page for Die-cutting (arts and crafts).

The arts and crafts and childrens literature articles, portals, and catagories relavant but seem a bit inaccessible; I don't really understand. I think they may need some tidying up to make them good cross-references for the Hungry Caterpillar and book design pages - the sub-catagories don't tally with what I am looking for. Design features are important to the work of Eric Carle who is a significant authour-illustrator-designer, who also created a museum of picture book art, which I also see no article on. It is a complex web! I think this inter-project weaving approach I am trying to take is good for wikipedia; I just need some help. My husband and I are also interested fans of industrial heritage and processes even though we don't have occupational background in the area beyond school; I have sympathy with the aims of those types of project. I would like to spread the love - or something! Kathybramley (talk) 10:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really sure what you're asking for there, but if you're looking for a way to collaborate in creating said article, I recommend joining/asking a Wikiproject, the editors answering questions here are a bit more of the general variety, heh. They're all listed here: WikiProject Council/Directory (or just look at the talk pages of the respective articles for links to the wikiprojects they fall under). Some may be inactive (projects listed as green are active ones), but in cases like this, it's always best to get together with other editors who share the same interests.


 * Some recommendations based on what you said: WikiProject Children's literature and WikiProject Visual arts. You might also be interested in WikiProject Technology History and WikiProject Technology-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  19:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

How do I delete a redirect page?
The page Megaflood redirects to Deluge (prehistoric) but the first is actually the most appropriate name. It appears that to change this I first have to delete Megaflood, then move Deluge to Megaflood, then redirect from Deluge to Megafllod. But only administrators can delete pages. Is there a way to go around this? Gaianauta (talk) 12:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You can post a request at WP:RM where others can weigh in on the rename. C T J F 8 3  12:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * but if you are satifisied the move is uncontroversial, applied to the page you want deleted would be the relevant way to attract administrator attention. 95.150.24.82 (talk) 23:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

PAGE BREAKS?
Hello, In the Grand Designs pages under list of episodes (print preview) there are a lot of nearly blank pages ie. after "Series 2" the rest of the page is blank. I have looked to see if I can adjust page breaks but have not been able to find. Please can you amend or advise? with grateful thanks 11nelson--11nelson (talk) 12:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the underlying problem is but you might try clicking "printable version" and seeing if the problem is seen there as well, and if so, then try "download as pdf" and then printing the pdf. These options are in the Print/export dropdown menu on the left hand side of every page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Is the article List of Grand Designs episodes? What browser and version? What operating system? Does it happen if you log out? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Printable version is not likely to help— see Help:Printable.

Thank you - pdf printing WORKED. with regards 11nelson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 11nelson (talk • contribs) 13:31, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Six O'clock Swill
"Six O'clock Swill" article: the "edit" link does not bring up the whole reference section so I was unable to correct the typo "freat" for "Great" in "The Great Art Robbery" reference. Kinghamnt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinghamnt (talk • contribs) 13:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Please use the "new discussion" tab— this will create a new section instead of adding it to the last one. The reference in question for Six o'clock swill can be updated by editing the "References in culture section." See Referencing for beginners for more help. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The edit link to the references section of the article on "The Six O'clock Swill" does not enable the display of the whole section so I was unable to correct the typo "freat" for "Great" in the reference, "The Great Art Robbery".
 * I have corrected this for you, here. As you can see, the references are inserted at the end of the sentences they are referencing; in this particular case, the reference was in the "references in culture" section. doom gaze   (talk)  13:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Entering Featured photo of the day
Hi, I recently uploaded a file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CSC_1621.JPG on wikipedia. I have taken this photograph and I fully understand and accept the terms and conditions of the Copyleft licensing. However, I don't know how to add the tag to my photo.

Please help me. I want to publish this photo to the featured photo of the day contest.

Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Bye! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariya1234 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. A list of licenses can be found here: Copyright tags. Just choose one, go to the file page, edit it, and add it to the right of the  field, and save.


 * For example, if you wish to license your picture under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0, simply edit the page and add this.


 * As for Featured photo, the guidelines for that is here: Featured picture candidates.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  17:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

New official company logo
The logo for FUNimation Entertainment has just changed and is currently being replaced all places online. The new funimation.com website - http://beta.funimation.com has this new logo. You will also notice that we are no longer a part of Navarre corporation as the existing logo states - http://www.tradershuddle.com/20110404196448/globenewswire/Navarre-Corporation-Announces-Sale-of-FUNimation-Entertainment.html

The new logo has been uploaded here and needs to replace the current logo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FunimationLogo.png

Thank you,

Brandon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bm white8 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I replaced the logo at Funimation Entertainment. —teb728 t c 20:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Company's page deleted while 100s of others similar exist
I want to public a page of a company but it's deleted with "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion"  while it's not advertising or promotion. Why other companies articles like Kaspersky Lab, ESET or Acronis exist in Wikipedia without deletion or any flags raised? I have read all the rules of Wikipedia and got no reply from Admin who deleted my page for ages. Please help me and tell me how to do.

P.S. I donated 300USD 2 months ago to Wikipedia and now my pages deleted without any warnings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyjonesme (talk • contribs) 18:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Presume you mean Auslogics, which was deleted 45 minutes ago. I looked at the content. No references, phrases like "composed of bright, driven and passionate people" and "one of the most popular names when people think of" and a See also section full of redlinks really raises flags. You can request that the page be userfied— move to your userspace so you can work on it. Each article is judged on its own merits— see WP:OTHERSTUFF. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 19:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank You very much Gadget850 (Ed), now I see what I should change and add. Can I submit it again after I remake it in my userspace?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyjonesme (talk • contribs) 19:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * A speedy delete is a deletion without prejudice. You can recreate the article in your userspace and then when it is ready move it into the article space.  I would recommend that you get others to look at it prior to moving it though.  A good place to ask for someone to look at your article is, Requests for feedback.  Hope this helps.  GB fan (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your suggestions GB fan! I will follow your advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyjonesme (talk • contribs) 19:33, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Some things to keep in mind:
 * Right now at Wikipedia, somewhere among our articles is at least 1 other article which does not meet Wikipedia standards and should be deleted, and which no one has noticed.  That does not mean that any article you write does not have to follow Wikipedia's standards.  The existance of other articles that need to go, and your article being deleted, are unrelated facts.
 * The existance of one article about a company at Wikipedia does not mean that every company that ever existed meets Wikipedia's standards for articles. For example, Eric Clapton plays guitar.  I play guitar.  You will note that there is no article about me at Wikipedia.  And yet, how can this be, since both Eric Clapton and I are guitar players?!?
 * The reason why some articles are deleted at Wikipedia is because they are about subjects which lack independent reliable information about them. In other words, there needs to be information which is neutral (not written by the subject themselves), that appears in reliable sources, and that there is enough information out there in the world that anyone can write a halfway decent article about it.  Take the Eric Clapton example; the reason that there is an article about him is not because he plays guitar.  Not even that he plays guitar really well.  The reason is that there are books and magazines and newspapers that have written extensively about Eric Clapton.  I could literally fill a bookshelf with the total scholarship on Clapton, from his biography to analyses of his guitar style, to reviews of his music.  Now, here's the reason there is no article about me at Wikipedia: The sum total of information published about me, in the world, written by other people could fill a manila folder.  And leave lots of room left over.  So you see, if your company has all sorts of stuff written about it, by people who are not part of your company, you need to show that clearly before the article about your company will be acceptable at Wikipedia.  Some Wikipedia policy pages you should read which help elaborate on what I have explained here:
 * FAQ/Organizations
 * Conflict of interest
 * Verifiability
 * Neutral point of view
 * Notability (organizations and companies)
 * What Wikipedia is not
 * I hope that helps you understand a bit more about what Wikipedia is about and how it works. -- Jayron  32  19:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you Jayron32 for such a detailed answer to my question! Lots of things are clear for me now. Really appreciate it. --Ashleyjonesme (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyjonesme (talk • contribs) 20:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

adding a link or reference
I have done original research on the sources of Joseph Conrad's novel Nostromo. I believe that this research has not been done by any other person and is a genuine addition to Conrad scholarship. I tried to add it as an external link on the Nostromo section under Joseph Conrad but it is not there anymore. I assume I did not follow the correct procedure for adding a link to my article which is around 70 pages in length. It was available on "external links" for a while, then disappeared. Please help me to do this the right way.

Robert Scott- (Redacted) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.37.115 (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * 1 Your link was to a page that doesn't exist.
 * 2 Your broke the link.
 * 3 Wikipedia doesn't publish original research.
 * David Biddulph (talk) 19:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Offline editing
Hello. I frequently edit drafts of my articles online in my userspace here before publishing them in the mainspace, but something has changed recently. The site seems to have slowed down significantly, with saves often timing out (about one in every four or five) or else not loading properly and requiring a reload. I noticed that it was bits.wikimedia.org that was often the request for which the page load was waiting. Using NoScript add-on in Firefox, blocking this seemed to help a little (but not much). But it means that whatever add-on for the site I was using that provided a basic colour-coding in my edit window (so that I could clearly differentiate between main prose text and citations/footnotes) has been excluded by blocking bits.wikimedia.org. So when I edit, it's all black text on a while background, which is very difficult to read and make sense of. In short, time-outs are making editing here very frustrating. I've checked my access to other websites when this happens frequently enough to be sure that it's nothing to do with my internet connection.

When I edit, I often jump back and forth between tinkering with the edit, then looking at the resulting page, and back again--rather than remaining in the edit window and previewing/saving only at the end.

The obvious solution would be to use an offline editor that is capable of displaying the resulting edit as it would appear in wikipedia, so that I can jump back and forth with an offline version, and upload the results right at the end. All of my editing and proof-reading could then be done offline and not rely on Wikipedia's apparently overloaded servers. This would also be very useful for times when I might not have an internet connection (say, when I take myself off to a local library to get some citations).

I'm quite at home using wiki-markup, so I don't need a convertor. I've installed the export thing for Microsoft Word 2010, but I find using Word so difficult these days (since they moved over to those terrible ribbon things) that it's far less useable than the wikipedia edit window! And, of course, it has no facility to view the edit as it would appear live on wikipedia.

So, what I'm looking for is an editor that is more or less the same as the editor that Wikipedia uses, only which colour-codes the references, etc., and is able to "preview" the final product.

I searched the help pages--Tools/Editing tools and Text editor support, for example--but the articles assume a degree of technical expertise far beyond me. I have no idea what most of them are talking about. I downloaded something called "Diderot", which seemed to be what I was looking for, but it refused to sign me in (my account is a global one). Or, at least, it would sign-in via its browser bit, but not for editing.

Is there a simple, offline editor that uses the same editing procedures as Wikipedia, colour-code differentiates footnotes/citations, enables previews that look like the page on Wikipedia would look, complete with images, etc.? Editing live is becoming an increasingly unpleasant experience! Many thanks, DoctorMabuse (talk) 21:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * For all of those features, you would have to go with a local wiki, such as mw:Manual:Wiki on a stick. Your big problem will be making off line edits, then dealing with online edits made during the interim. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The WikiEd gadget, enabled in "My Preferences", is an online editor that can do a "preview" without talking to the servers. This might be worth a try. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:40, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you take the wiki on a stick approach (i.e., set up MediaWiki to run your own personal wiki), the next hurdle would be porting enough of Wikipedia's templates, images, extensions, and other content to make a page in your personal wiki resemble the canonical page in Wikipedia. Whether this is a problem depends on how fancy your editing is. A bare bones personal wiki is fine for simple text and basic wikitext markup, but most Wikipedia articles quickly evolve well beyond that, if they are to avoid getting deleted. Even so, I recommend setting up your own personal wiki to use for sophisticated note-taking, and for learning things about how MediaWiki works that you cannot easily see as an unprivileged user on Wikipedia. If nothing else you will gain an appreciation for the astounding amount of value that Wikipedia's user community has added to the basic software platform. Incidentally, I haven't noticed a serious problem with Wikipedia's response times. I have never used any form of color syntax highlighting when editing wikitext, however; I don't know if that makes a difference. See also Interfaces/External interfaces for some interesting testimonials from some of Wikipedia's most technically proficient users. WP:EIW has links to more pages that might have something useful. One limiting factor for the kind of tool development you'd like to see (something simple enough for ordinary humans to use) is that the community of serious Wikipedia editors is rather small, just a few tens of thousands of people who make enough edits to justify looking for something fancier than the plain edit window. And even fewer of them are working on any particular computer platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, etc.) which further fragments the market. --Teratornis (talk) 17:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

judge harry pregerson
hi i am the Judge's daughter and in reading his bio i noticed that i was not listed. i added my name and profession but it was put mistakenly in an incorrect section and needs to be moved to the "personal section" in the sentence following the mention of my brother Dean P. Pregerson. it should read:

His daughter Dr. Katie P. Rodan is a dermatologist and co-creator of Proactiv Solution.

thank you Katie P. Rodan Katierodan (talk) 22:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * None of the information in the personal section is sourced. At this point I have removed the section along with the info you added.  GB fan (talk) 22:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Katie, if you don't understand why GB fan deleted the section, please read WP:BLP. --ColinFine (talk) 19:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)