Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 April 14

= April 14 =

Problem with the edit toolbar
What is with the lack of mark-up icons on the top of the edit pages? A number of handy ones disappeared a while back and none were visible today.

Thanks!Stormbay (talk) 03:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you refer to the Edit toolbar, it looks normal to me. If you are running a browser such as Mozilla Firefox with a safer-browsing extension such as NoScript, be sure you or something else did not accidentally disable JavaScript for Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 17:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It returned to "normal". Maybe I bumped a key. --Stormbay (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

What can we do if we discovered contents with irrelevant reference/ links?
Can we simply delete the contents by ourselves if we discovered those contents weren't supported by relevant resources or are giving expired links? And also, is it possible that other editors have the right to delete some of the contents even they were proved / supported by relevant references? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.178.0.214 (talk) 03:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Be bold, anyone can edit. If in doubt, suggest your change on the talk page of the article. If there is a disagreement, we discuss things on talk pages. See WP:PILLAR.  Chzz  ► 03:46, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You mention "expired links", which are not necessarily a reason to delete contents. See WP:LINKROT. And yes, bring it up on the article's Talk page. Bus stop (talk) 03:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

national output world comparison map dot placement
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/2005iron_ore.PNG on this kind of map for several articles, the American dot looks like it's over New York City 67.248.142.151 (talk) 04:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The external links in our Iron Ore article indicate iron mines in the states of NY/NJ and around the great lakes. I can't really see a problem with the graphic. CaptRik (talk) 07:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If the map is supposed to show the approximate region of most production then the U.S. dot should be over the western end of Lake Superior. 95% of U.S. iron ore is mined in that area. Rmhermen (talk) 16:00, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

How do I get a global account?
I have an account in Malayalam Wikipedia. The account name is Curious10. When I try to create an account in English Wikipedia, it says, the account exist. However, I can not log in to English wikipedia using that account. What do I do to get an account in English Wikipedia with the same username? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.187.69 (talk) 11:54, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * the account User:Curious10 was created in May 2006, the account has never made any edits. You can request to usurp the account.  GB fan (talk) 12:00, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

sign redirected
Why was sign redirected to Uw-tilde? What template do we use when someone forgets to sign now?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I generally use my own, (subst'd). Should that be moved to template space? Go ahead, if you like.  Chzz  ►  15:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Because of this deletion discussion. To tell someone that they ought to sign their posts, use sign or uw-tilde; to sign someone's unsigned posts for them, use unsigned or unsigned2 as before.  BencherliteTalk 15:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I forgot. What I wanted was unsigned--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Aah, that one. Cool.  Chzz  ► 16:43, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

MIMI
For an article I edited I uploaded a photograph to Wikipedia Commons. I now want to upload the same image for this same article written in another language. However, when I try to do this the upload is cancelled for the following reason: "The extension of this file does not coincide with MIME." I have not been able to discover what MIMI is. More important, how can I solve this problem? Thanks for any help.

Zimmermann 15:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barcolongo (talk • contribs)


 * I guess (from your global contributions) that you mean Image:Brull Mariano in 1913 when he was 22 rbz.JPG? That image is already on the Spanish Wikipedia article, es:Mariano Brull.


 * I have also just added it to the article in Catalan; see this edit.


 * Commons is a 'common' area - images on Commons can be used on any "Sister Wiki" - which includes all the different language Wikipedias.


 * If, however, you are having problems with another image, please let us know. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 16:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * MIME is a way for internet applications to detect file formats. When you upload a file the content is examined to determine what type it is— JPG, PNG, OGG, etc. If the detected type does not match the filename extension, then you get this error. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

error! Ellicott Creek Article
I do not wish to create an account, but Ellicott Creek Park is in the town of "Amherst" not Tonawanda NY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.129.110.203 (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't need to create an account to edit Ellicott Creek Park - just click the edit button. You do, however, have to provide a reference to verify where it is. Maybe the fact is in a book or newspaper? You'd add that information in-between &lt;ref> and &lt;/ref>, directly after the fact. For example, you'd put...


 * Alternatively, if you'd like us to make the edit for you, just let us know - preferably giving a reference to a reliable source (although we could try and find one for you, otherwise).  Chzz  ► 16:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Removing a notability tag
A notability tag was inserted onto the page I created entitled Mark Pretorius. Changes and clean-ups have been made by a few of us since then. More info on the scholar was added to his research sub-section entitled readers to include the necessary info. I believe it now meets criteria 4.The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions. My question is: How do I get the tag removed? I cannot find any info on this. Thanks in advance.

Infrasupra (talk) 17:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * If you feel the concerns that a tag signifies have been addressed, you can remove the tag yourself. It's good to leave a note on the talk page of the article to let people know why you felt it was okay to remove it but this isn't always done.  Dismas |(talk) 17:31, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I added the notability tag to that article, and, despite the recent edits, I am still of the view that he does not meet the criteria referred to in WP:ACADEMIC. – ukexpat (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Unable to confirm my email address
I tried to confirm my email address several times for the last two days. However, I cannot do it. Pleas let me know how to do it. I watched s few QnA here about this problem, but I cannot find the way to do it. I received email from Wikipedia as follows:

Someone from the IP address xxx.xx.xx.xxx has registered the account "YYYY" with this e-mail address on the English Wikipedia. To confirm that this user account really does belong to you and to activate e-mail features on Wikipedia, please open this URL in your browser: URL1 If you did not recently register for Wikipedia (or if you registered with a different e-mail address), click the following link to cancel the confirmation: URL2 This confirmation e-mail will automatically expire at 09:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC).

When I clicked URL1 to confirm my email address, the webpage shows em the message "Invalid confirmation code. The code may have expired.." cooldenny (talk) 17:35, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It works for me. Some email programs may break the confirmation link into two lines. If that happens, please copy all parts of the link together into the browser address bar. There should be a long code of about 32 characters after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ConfirmEmail/ PrimeHunter (talk) 18:37, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer. However, it still does not work though putting the full URL into the browser address bar as you recommend. cooldenny (talk) 20:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Will you forward the most recent mail to the address at my website ? Then I will try to confirm it for you. It doesn't matter whether it's confirmed from somebody else's computer. I will not get your password and not be able to log in to your account if I succeed at confirming the email address. Do not mail me your password. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I sent you the most recent email, PrimeHunter. cooldenny (talk) 08:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I also got "Invalid confirmation code. The code may have expired." I don't know what the problem is. It still works fine for my own account and alternate account. Try to temporarily change the email address at Special:Preferences and change it back. Make sure you don't click URL2 with Invalidateemail in the url. That will disable the ConfirmEmail link from that mail and cause it to give the quoted standard message "Invalid confirmation code. The code may have expired." PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * When following your recommendation. I can see a very interesting results. my another email address (Email 1, my Gmail), the one that I filled out into a register form of Wikipedia However, what I really want to put into my email address (Email 2, my workplace email) does not work, after changed my email address into Email 1. I cannot understand what happens to my Email 2. One more interesting thing is that when trying with Email 1, the confirmation message come one second right after clicking the save button of my preference, but when trying with Email 2, long time takes (about 1 hour) in receiving the confirmation message and I can find the message in my spam folder. cooldenny 17:44, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

LOGIN PROBLEMS
I have tried logging in various times. I know that my username and password are correct as I wrote them down but I don't seem to be able to login. What might be the problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.154.219 (talk) 19:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Given the lack of details in your question, some possible reasons:


 * Can you log in anywhere else? Have you recently changed browser settings? Installed a new antivirus or whatnot? Maybe you have disabled cookies in your browser.
 * Did you input the username in the exact case? With my user name for example, if I log in as "Obsidian Soul" it will work, but trying to log in as "obsiDian Soul", "obsidian soul", "Obsidian soul", "Obsidiansoul", etc. will not. Same thing with your password. -- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  19:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Have a look through Help:Logging in for various common problems and suggestions. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Arsène Lupin
I added updated info to Wikipedia that the movie starring Lionel Barrymore and others..but now it's been deleted by someone. wikipedia doesn't give credit to a wonderful movie with Lionel Barrymore...and furthermore, I gave references but someone deleted my entry. Barbara Rice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.156.29.37 (talk) 20:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It took some time but I finally found your edits with a slightly different IP address 5 months ago in Arsène Lupin (film). A film article in Wikipedia is about a single film. Another film of the same name should get a separate article with a disambiguated name such as Arsène Lupin (1932 film). See Notability (films) and Your first article before considering to create an article. Arsène Lupin shows a lot of films by this name. Arsène Lupin (film) is about the 2004 film so your mention of the 1932 film was removed in . Click the "history" tab to see the page history of an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I found a more recent edit as well. Same advice as PrimeHunter. They are different movies. There are at least four movies with that title. They have to be in different articles, not share the same article space. For an example see Dracula (disambiguation). It was made into at least six films with the same titles. That excludes television and other adaptations.


 * Dracula (1931 film)
 * Dracula (Spanish-language version)
 * Dracula (1958 film)
 * Dracula (1979 film)
 * Dracula (1992 film)


 * The best way is to write a new article about the 1932 film as suggested by Primehunter separate from that article you attempted to edit (which should be renamed Arsène Lupin (2004 film), but that can be taken care of once there are other articles about other films in existence).-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  22:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, I moved the movie to the more correct title, created Arsène Lupin (disambiguation), and added hatnotes at the top of the articles. Should be less ambiguous and confusing now.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  22:42, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

How many fair use images can be used in an article
In an article like List of Dragon Ball characters, if one would add one low resolution screenshot per character listed there, and each screenshot is used only in this article and only once, would that still be considered fair use? Also I am aware of WP:MCQ, just thought I ask somewhere. If it is more appropriate to ask there, I can do that. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 21:34, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I found WP:NFLISTS. This should be what I need. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 21:42, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Multiple Chris Masons, I'm one of them...
Chris Mason is a fairly common name.

If you type in "Chris Mason", you see this:

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Chris Mason, or Christopher Mason may refer to:


 * Chris Mason (ice hockey), Canadian ice hockey goaltender
 * Chris Mason (activist), American LGBT activist
 * Chris Mason (darts player), English darts player
 * Chris Mason (musician), American singer-songwriter
 * Christopher Mason, co-founder of the College Prowler publishing company
 * Chris Mason, Director of Linux Kernel Engineering at Oracle and the founder of Btrfs

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I am certainly not notable enough for my own wikipedia article, but I - Chris Mason (nobody) - have been confused multiple times for Chris Mason (Linux hacker). The confusion happens because Chris Mason (Linux hacker) could also be called Chris Mason (Linux hacker living in the Bay Area) and I could accurately be called Chris Mason (Linux noob & hobbyist living in the Bay Area).

I've tried to make the difference clear with my online footprint by adopting "Christopher T. Mason" as the name I use online, but both of us being Linux nerds and both of us having a web footprint, and me introducing myself in person as "Chris Mason" - the confusion still comes up once an a while, usually resulting in disappointment from whomever is looking at my resume or my card or whatever person I just gave my name and phone number to, and what have you.

Chris Mason (me) http://ctmason.wordpress.com/ http://sites.google.com/site/masonux/

Chris Mason (Linux hacker) Google search "chris mason open source" or "chris mason linux" or anything close to that.

Searching for "Chris Mason" by itself returns the wikipedia disambiguation page as second result, something that I am sure contributes to the confusion. People google for me, an open source nerd named Chris Mason encountered in some nerdy context, and see "Director of Linux Kernel Engineering at Oracle" - not me, and it bothers me that people give me credit for his many accomplishments.

Similarly, I doubt Chris Mason (Linux hacker) would want to be confused with Chris Mason (Linux noob and community college student) - something bound to happen when/if my web footprint increases over time.

If it has been determined that CM (Linux hacker) is notable enough to be mentioned in "our" collective disambiguation page, so be it - I wouldn't ask that his name be removed. I don't feel that I am notable enough to be mentioned, however. So, I'm not really sure how to peruse this as it applies to that #2 Google result (wikipedia disambiguation for "Chris Mason"). Any suggestions?

I would have brought this to the relevant discussion page, but the Chris Mason (ice hockey) discussion page seems to be the same as the Chris Mason (disambiguation) page for some reason.

Earthpig (talk) 23:00, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding the talk page redirecting to Talk:Chris Mason (ice hockey): fixed. Regarding the unfortunate coincidence of sharing a name with someone who has similar interests: not really sure there's anything we can do.  Since the company he founded has an article, I suspect it's more convenient for our readers (though less convenient for you) that the entry remain there.  One of those minor annoyances we have to live with, I suppose. To be honest, i kind of doubt you'd get much response on that talk page, though; unlikely someone is watching it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I can't think of anything that can be done through this venue either, but I was hoping someone else would have an idea that eluded me. One other reason it is relevant is because I've expressed strong negative opinions about his employer in the past. I'd hate for some high mucky-muck at Oracle to google my name, see him as an Oracle employee on the wikipedia page... ya. Bad mojo. In any case, I've also e-mailed the other Chris Mason mentioned and pointed him here (the URL leading here won't be changed tomorrow, will it?). Maybe, at the very least, he could hit file -> print and keep this filed away somewhere 'just in case'... Earthpig (talk) 23:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * As long as he follows your link within 7 days, the URL to this thread stays the same. After 7 days, threads get archived (see top of this page for where they go). --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Will this be an a correct link, a week from now? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2011_April_14#Multiple_Chris_Masons.2C_I.27m_one_of_them... EDIT: ah, crap. the "..." got chopped. I'll just wait a week and see. Earthpig (talk) 23:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Best bet is to use an archival service. I've archived this thread using WebCite here, so by using that URL you'll have a permalink to this page. doom gaze   (talk)  23:37, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * An archival service will only show the content at the time of archiving. Your guess about the archive url here at Wikipedia is correct. If you mail a url ending in periods then the mail software of the recipient is also likely to remove the periods when the url is clicked. You can replace them by their percent-encoding %2E to get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Multiple_Chris_Masons.2C_I.27m_one_of_them%2E%2E%2E and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2011_April_14#Multiple_Chris_Masons.2C_I.27m_one_of_them%2E%2E%2E. Chris Mason is mentioned in Btrfs. If you are not mentioned in one of our articles and we don't expect to make an article about you then our guidelines are against mentioning you on a disambiguation page. Such pages are intended to lead the reader to the right article and not to list everybody by that name. However, we should list the birth year on disambiguation pages per Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Do you know a source for the birth year of the other Chris Mason? If it's different from you then it could potentially prevent some people from confusing your identities. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:14, 15 April 2011 (UTC)