Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 April 15

= April 15 =

Russian Incubator
For our project page we would like to create an 'African Incubator' (like the Russian Incubator). I've tried to get in contact with the creator of the project but I haven't had any luck. Can anyone help me? Riannedac (talk) 09:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Like WikiProject Scouting/Article incubator? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:12, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

New Article
I was reading the "create a new article section" and it stated not to write an article on your band or a friend. I have an entertainment company and I wanted to add articles on three of the acts signed to the company. The acts have several major music industry credits. Can I add articles on these acts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Che933 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope; that's exactly the kind of thing we are attempting to discourage. If you genuinely feel they are notable, as defined at WP:BAND, then follow the procedures for requesting the creation of an article, disclosing as you do your own obvious conflict of interest. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  00:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Question
Has a single user ever had back-to-back edits on Recent Changes? jc iindyysgvxc  (my contributions) 06:24, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd say yes. Tools like Twinkle that do edits on multiple pages/multiple edits on the same page do so fairly quickly - if the rest of the project is quiet around that time, it's ~possible to get back-to-backs with a bit of luck. 212.68.15.66 (talk) 09:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * This must happen often. Based on revision numbers, there was only one edit between my manual edits 387826598 and 387826600. I had prepared many similar edits in separate tabs and only had to click Save. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:21, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly sure it has happened to me once at least, with WP:TWINKLE. Zakhalesh (talk) 20:25, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It does happen, I just had two manual edits set up and they are back to back, 424256649 and 424256650. GB fan (talk) 20:31, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) REDIRECT www.reverbnation.com/vowlgar
 * 2) REDIRECT []
 * This page is for asking questions about Wikipedia, not for submitting article content. Some standard advice follows; you should also look at WP:BAND.


 * You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article and How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:41, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I feel like a dimwit
Okay, let me begin with a self-whack!, since this is a question a newbie should be asking, not a dirty old editor like me. Some time in the past I set a preference or a script or a spirit guide or something which causes edit pages to jump down past the stuff at the top so that the top of the edit tools is at the top of the screen. I'd like to turn it off, but can't now figure out how I did it. A clue for the clueless, please. Sheepishly,  T RANSPORTER M AN  ( TALK ) 13:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Does it happen if you log out? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, it's persistent between sessions. Regards,  T RANSPORTER M AN  ( TALK ) 14:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The is is not any gadget, script, CSS or JS. I think this is an artifact of how pages are loaded with the new MediaWiki. There have been some similar discussion at WP:VPT. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 14:17, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's good to know that the senior moments aren't running together yet... Regards,  T RANSPORTER M AN  ( TALK ) 14:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

cached image problems
Hi there,

I managed to edit Xerox logo here: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Corporation However it still shows the old image on the redirect page here: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox Could you please help me with this issue? I was reading FAQ all day long, but didn't came across such topics.

Many Thanks, Koponyanyimonyok

Koponyanyimonyok (talk) 14:08, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

It looks both correct to me. Please see WP:Purge to manually reload cached images.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  14:25, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * As this is the help desk for the English wikipedia, we can't do a lot to help you with problems at the italian wikipedia. That said I clicked on both links and the same logo came up on both pages, you might try clearing your cache and see if that fixes the problem for you.  GB fan (talk) 14:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Problem solved! Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koponyanyimonyok (talk • contribs) 14:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Cunard Ships
The RMS Franconia is listed as being sunk in WW 1. In May 1953, I sailed on the RMS FRanconia from Quebec City Canada to Liverpool UK. Is it possible that there was 2 ships named RMS Franconia, of that the sinking of the Franconia is incorrect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.75.196 (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There are 3 articles on the RMS Franconia. RMS Franconia (1910) sunk during WWI, RMS Franconia (1922) built in 1922 probably the one you were on and RMS Franconia originally named RMS Ivernia and renamed to RMS Franconia in 1963. We probably need a disambiguation page or at least some hatnotes on the articles. GB fan (talk) 14:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have replaced the redirect that was at RMS Franconia with a dab page. The redirect originally went to RMS Ivernia, but it does not appear to be the primary topic since it is a redirect.  GB fan (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've also added hatnotes to the pages.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  15:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. There were three apparently. See RMS Franconia (1922) and RMS Ivernia.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  14:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I've tweaked the shipindex page so that all three Franconia's have a link. Mjroots (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Looking for input
Hi there, I’m a new Wikipedian looking for some advice on a revision to the Peabody Energy article’s History and Modern era sections. I’m somewhat familiar with the company’s history and believe the new content I’m proposing would make the section more comprehensive, up-to-date, and address some citation issues as well. Technically speaking, I am aware of how to implement these proposed revisions into the article. However, I have past experience in the energy industry and having read through the Wikipedia guidelines on conflict of interest I wanted to get a second opinion on this update that I’ve proposed. Anyways, I would really appreciate any feedback on my revised draft, which I have posted to a sandbox on my user page. Note that I also inquired about this on the article Talk page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Peabody_Energy#Proposed_revisions_to_history_and_recent_developments_section about a week ago, but seems that it isn’t active enough to generate any response. That is why I came here, thanks for your time! JamesClyde (talk) 17:02, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks very good to me. :) As long as the info is worded neutrally and properly referenced you should be fine. No need to ask permission, be bold.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  05:21, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking this over and providing feedback, it is greatly appreciated. I will implement the revisions after reviewing the material one more time. JamesClyde (talk) 18:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Badly formatted AfD entry
Could somebody have a look at Articles for deletion/Log/2011 April 15? It seems to be poorly formatted. I would reformat it myself, but don't have the time right now. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I assume this has been fixed. The AFD log page looks ok to me. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:47, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was fixed when a poorly formatted page was removed from transclusion. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Text removal question
I deleted the following text from this page: 

"Though well intentioned, most consider Brake's policies to be ill thought out and somewhat extreme. They have often been refered to as the anti-motoring Taliban, due to their extreme views and resolute dismisal of other view points without discussion."

because it is an opinion and not attributed.

I thought that Wikipedia wasn't intended to be simply a place for people to express their views. I am neither connected to, nor a supporter of, the Brake charity.

User crosstemplejay immediately reverted the deletion saying "The text represent neutrality bringing in the views of other concerning the charity". The user says he/she is a member of the Welcoming committee but is not listed on  not the its archive.

Have I missed something?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvanBurton (talk • contribs) 18:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely correct. I've removed the material and asked Crosstemplejay about the issue on his talk page. TN X Man  18:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Subject Box
I was trying to add the status of Windseekers construction on the page but would never show. Whats wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dom497 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You can't just add stuff that isn't in the template. There is no input value called "status" C T J F 8 3  21:11, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

etown radio program article - not an advertisement - rewritten in more neutral tone
Why is there still an "written like an advertisement" flag on our article after many edits have been made?

The article I am referring to is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETown_%28radio_program%29

Is there anyway to have this removed? I am an official representative of this organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zradio (talk • contribs) 22:23, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Being connected to the subject, you are the least qualified person to judge the article for its neutrality (for a more in-depth explanation why, please read Conflict of interest). That flag is a maintenance tag, it is intended for an uninvolved editor, not for the original creator. While you can edit the article to fix the issues, please leave it for another uninvolved editor to judge if the article has been rewritten to be more neutral and not promotional.


 * I have checked, and it still has issues. Please see Neutral point of view for guidelines on how to comply to the tag. Everything must be written in an unbiased (even clinically distant), encyclopedic manner. Avoid subjective descriptions like "He was also astounded by the region's noticeable environmental degradation due to lack of community control."


 * Below are some other problem words/phrases in that article from quick perusal. They are not neutral and self-aggrandizing. They should be reworded or removed.


 * The multi-talented eTown house band, the Etones, add an exciting musical dynamic to the program.
 * around a love of live music, intelligent conversation, and an appreciation of shared values.
 * several hundred legendary and emerging musicians
 * etc.


 * For now, the biggest problem in that article is the lack of references. References are extremely important for verifiability and for proving notability, failure to meet those policies means it can be deleted at any time. Please reference all the information in the article from third-party reliable sources ASAP.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  05:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I am also worried that you see it as "our article", you do not own it. See WP:OWN Arjayay (talk) 17:09, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

corrigated steel homes
I read an article about steel corrugated homes being built in Northern Canada, but now cannot find the info on it. Can you help!! Colleen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.250.66.239 (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Was the article here? Or on some other site?  Dismas |(talk) 02:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You can look at Corrugated galvanised iron and serach through What links here. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:58, 16 April 2011 (UTC)