Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 April 22

= April 22 =

Template coding
I have two questions. Thanks –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 02:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) In the template gl-DONE, what does the line   mean? This template is used over at the Graphic Lab Photography Workshop, but I've never seen any "fair use" comment appear.
 * 2) I absolutely cannot find any documentation on writing templates here. I'm not a programmer, but I thought it'd be fun to try to figure out how to tweak a template's code in my sandbox. Isn't "#if:" called a meta-something? Where is there documentation that explains the basics of writing templates on Wikipedia? Finally, I would eventually like to request an advanced programmer to make the template test do exactly what I want. Where would I put in that sort of request?


 * Ah, the first question is answered easily: it's a parameter, but unused. –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 02:20, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Help:Template has information to get started as well as links to more complicated stuff. #if is a parser function from the ParserFunctions extension. I'll make your template however you want so you can see what it looks like, just tell me what you're looking for on my talk page. — Bility (talk) 02:44, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thank you! –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 04:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Cedella
How can I add a cedella (French) to the word Francois? Jacobisq (talk) 03:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You can access numerous characters like this by going to the drop down menu below the save page button when you are in edit mode; ç is in the Latin menu. If you had typed Francois into the search field it would have taken you right to François. And of course we have an article on the cedilla, where the ç is displayed. You can also use the html code  to produce the character. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * And just in case you're on a Mac, the shortcut key for ç is option-c. –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 04:32, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, and it's spelled cedilla, btw. : ) –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 04:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Many thanks - have sorted article text. How can I best add a cedilla to article title, Francois Perrier (psychoanalyst)? Jacobisq (talk) 04:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. The "Move" button is a drop-down to the right of the "Watch" button. - David Biddulph (talk) 04:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Public domain unfree image icon?
Do we have a public domain icon that could be used in place of an unfree image? For example, in order to get an unfree image to appear in the gallery at the Photography workshop Top 4, I had to add a PD image—in this case, a black X SVG file. Would there be a more appropriate image that I could use instead? –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 05:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You could make one and upload it... -- Jayron  32  05:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I suppose, but I'm not familiar with Inkscape and I don't have Illustrator or any other vector program. After I posted this question, though, I did head over to the Illustration request area. I figure before I make a request for someone (probably a better artist than I, anyway), I would just see what people here have to say. But yes, a suggestion I will follow through on if I find nothing else! –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 05:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * There are these, I guess:


 * Gnome-emblem-important.svgNotCommons-emblem-copyrighted.svgCommons-emblem-hand.svgNotCommons-emblem-registered-trademark.svgCommons-emblem-issue.svgCommons-emblem-hand-orange.svgCommons-emblem-scales.svgCommons-emblem-question.svgCommons-emblem-query.svgCommons-emblem-restricted-permission.svgCommons-emblem-copyright.svg


 * And stuff here: Commons:Category:Copyright tag related images and logos -- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  06:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's perfect, thank you! –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 06:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. It's an svg file, btw, and under GNU General Public License. No need to request a larger version from the graphic lab. It will scale perfectly to any size you want.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  06:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I need to clarify, I think : ) The image in question is non-free and must only be listed as a link (Black Mask3501.jpg). But in order for the gl-PENDING template to even appear in the gallery, there must be some image to show, hence my question for looking for a copyright/non-free symbol. So the © image is to show that the actual image that needs work done cannot be legally shown outside of any fair-use jurisdiction. So it's not the © that needs work done on it, it's the linked image directly above the instructions. Anyway, I hope I made this a little more clear in the instructions on the Top 4 page. –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 07:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, got that now. Sorry for the confusion, heh. Sadly, I am not very good at InkScape, so can't help with that one image. :[ -- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  12:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

edit vs. move page
I have a page draft on my userpage User:Spu2011 that I'd like to move as a major edit to the Familial DNA section of the DNA Profiling page. I'm confused though- if this is an edit will the move accomplish what I want as I'm not creating a new page for familial DNA alone. I believe I should not just wipe the current section out and cut-and-paste in. Thanks. Spu2011 (talk) 14:37, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You cannot "move" your draft into the existing article section - Wikipedia moves don't work like that. You will have to merge/edit your draft content into the existing section. – ukexpat (talk) 14:50, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, what sources did you use for that prose? As it stands now, it would be counted as original research and wouldn't stand a chance of surviving.  You need to include references in what you wrote in order for it to comply with the guidelines for inclusion.     ArcAngel    (talk) ) 14:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, those sources would need to be reliable and independent. --  Phantom Steve .alt/ talk \[alternative account of Phantomsteve] 22:09, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

getting to user page
This is my first time creating an article. I have set up a user name/user page but when I click on my name at the top of wikipedia page it takes me to a page that says NetAssistant at freeze.com. I'm assuming that my user page cannot be found. I have read all of the guidelines, etc. and I am ready to begin, I just can't get to my user page. Help! GBGina browning (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you created the draft yet? At the moment, your contributions only show your edit to this page. If not, click on this link -- User:Gina browning/Sandbox -- and edit away. – ukexpat (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I also put a link to it on your user page. – ukexpat (talk) 16:38, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * A quick check with Google tells me that NetAssistant is a spyware/adware program. It may be mangling your Wikipedia pages for you before you see them. You'd better get hold of some anti-virus software, or ask at the Computing reference desk for help. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:42, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

manuals
i am trying to work on rebuilding a chainsaw classic 200 homelite where can i find manuals showing all about saws —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.49.7.173 (talk) 16:50, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 17:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Afd Soxman
Can someone help me with this AFD? I think I missed a step somewhere. Thank you in advance.--Endlessdan (talk) 16:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You missed the step of transcluding the Afd on the log page. I fixed it for you. FYI Twinkle is a useful tool that semi-automates the process. – ukexpat (talk) 17:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I also notified the article's creator by substituting the AfD-notice template. – ukexpat (talk) 17:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again. --Endlessdan (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

edits dont show up
so how to add a section like the one I am currently editing without editing the larger level section and pasting in == something new ===? Seems like collisions might occur when editing the larger entry in order to add a sub entry.

So yesterday I edited a political page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Frist that at one time had been protected but doesn't appear to be now. My edits do not show up on any computer that I have not previously logged into wikipedia. If I log in and log out the edits remain visible, but when I move to a new computer I can't see my edits. I assume this is some sort of approval process? The edits do show up in edit mode even if I am not logged in. Not sure how I can tell if the page is protected or if my edits are pending approval?

Thanks! DavesPlanet (talk) 17:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Odd, it works fine for me. I presume you are talking about this section? doom gaze   (talk)  17:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

yup, that's the one, if I move to a computer or browser that I have never previously logged into then that section is not available. Interesting... DavesPlanet (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

not a caching problem, and I've just moved to yet another computer that I've never logged into wikipedia from and my edit is without a doubt not there. If I log in then log out the edit remains visible, if I delete every wikipedia cookie that exists in my machine the edit will remain visible. It is only invisible on machines that wikipedia has never identified with my (like the one I am currently editing this on). 74.122.138.2 (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

well, that is interesting, I followed your link to the section without logging in and it now displays and I am not able to make it disappear again on this latest machine. I'm betting if you find a machine or browser that has never logged into wikipedia you will not see the section by default but will see it once you click directly to it. 74.122.138.2 (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Are all the computers you are trying it on using the same internet connection? Possibly with a shared cache along the pipeline (in the form of a caching router, or a firewall, or ISP caching server)?


 * Also, BTW - you can add a new section at the end of an article, by manually adding '&amp;section=new' on the end of the edit url, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sausage&action=edit&section=new (please don't save that though; I had to mention a 'real' article).
 * That isn't very useful, as you'd usually want to add a section in the middle. The only 'solution' I know of, for that - when I deal with a busy page - is to firstly create a level 2 section == New Bit == and then, within that, create level 3 headings === Subsection one === and === Subsection two === etc - thus, each of the L3 'subsections' gets its own edit link, and multiple people can work away.  Chzz  ► 23:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

What the hell you are Mr. Wikipedia
When ever some one writes about some Muslim, especialy from Pakistan why you people have lot of objections on it, recently I was viewing a wiki page about Mr. Moin Akhtar (Moin_Akhter) the great artist of sub-continent(Pakistan & India), and their you people have lot of objections at the top of page like  "this article may be written from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view", when this is a open portal where a lot of information about many personalities from all around the world is already published, then why you people have problem with Pakistanis, do you mean that we Pakistanis should not use Wikipedia?????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.36.109.221 (talk) 19:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Articles which are not written from a neutral point of view must be rewritten to be more neutral and encyclopedic, regardless of the subject's country of origin or religion. Anything that is promotional is removed, doesn't matter if it's about a cause, a product, a company, a celebrity, a politician, an event, etc. Everything has to be completely neutral. This is simply one of Core content policies and is applied to all articles without bias. It's the rules we all have to follow.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul  12:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has its own set of rules and standards, which are applied to all articles regardless of whom or what the article was about. All articles must have a neutral point of view and must not contain any opinions like stating someone as the greatest in certain aspects. E Wing (talk) 19:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You should notice two things. First, the article, which is rather lengthy, has only two references.  That's not that many and should be improved to verify the information in the article.  Second, the category All articles with a promotional tone includes over 12,000 more articles and not all of them deal with Pakistan and India.  Dismas |(talk) 20:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The lengthy unreferenced text has been removed as it was a copyvio. -- Neil N   talk to me  20:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

How to resolve image collision?
The image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fallon.jpg was originally created in 2006 in an article about sailboat racing. A file with the same name was added in December 2010 to illustrate an article on horse racing, but since it overwrote the original image, the sailing article appears to have been vandalized. I have no clue how to disentangle the two articles. Is there a way to rename just the latest version of the image so that the earlier version is uncovered for the original article? Tartoni (talk) 23:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Done - thanks to help from . The boat is now File:Fallon-yacht-racing.jpg, and the horse remains under File:Fallon.jpg. The article Team racing has been fixed as well . Cheers,  Chzz  ► 23:20, 22 April 2011 (UTC)