Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 April 7

= April 7 =

Calculating population density
I'd like to update the population for all remaining MN cities, and am wondering whether it is acceptable to recalculate the population density. Others don't seem to be doing so. &mdash; anndelion    &#8251;   07:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Routine calculations are allowed without infringing the no original research rule. Arjayay (talk) 08:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * A-ha, I knew I had to be missing something. Thanks. &mdash; anndelion    &#8251;   08:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Editing a link in a reference
Dear Sirs

I would like to edit the link in one of the references on the bubwith page as it links to the wrong Ofsted report - I have edited on Wikipedia before but not in the references section - having clicked on the "edit" next to the "references" title I cannot see the relevant link in order to edit it and wondered if you could help.

I am unable to find anything to help me under FAQ and help.

Many thanks

Careyrowan (talk) 10:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You need to edit the section where the reference is called up. If you click on the caret symbol (^) in the reference, that will take you up to where it is defined. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Careyrowan, what you can do is click the edit button at the very top of the page, next to the read button, which will allow you to edit the whole page. In the edit window scroll down a little and you will find a section that reads:


 *  Bubwith also has a primary school and a leisure centre (which hosts Bubwith Playgroup. ) 


 * This section uses a template, which you can find out more about here. Simply replace the report which is linked in the |url= field with the new report, and also update the |title= and |accessdate= field should these be different. Probably a good idea to click show preview to make sure it formats correctly. Hope that helps!  doom gaze   (talk)

Thanks - all sorted now Careyrowan (talk) 20:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Is there no encrypted connection offered for when visiting https://secure.wikimedia.org ?
I could swear this worked earlier long time ago, but there seem to be no encryption for when visiting articles under https://secure.wikimedia.org, and I wonder if something is wrong somewhere or if encryption is not really offered.

My browser indicate that the connection to wikipedia is not encrypted as I would otherwise have expected. Encryption seem to work for me with searches at https://encrypted.google.com but not at https://secure.wikimedia.org.

Is there no encrypted connection offered for when visiting https://secure.wikimedia.org ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.91.66.128 (talk) 11:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It would help us to know what browser you are using. Avic ennasis  @ 11:22, 3 Nisan 5771 / 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * When I go to https://secure.wikimedia.org with IE7 on XP Pro SP3 a box comes up that says there are secure and unsecure items on the page do I want to display the nonsecure items. If I say yes everything shows up but the lock on IE to show it is secure does not.  If I say no, all the text of the page shows up, none of the images show up and the lock to show it is a secure page is there.  It appears from this that the images are not coming in over the secure network but everything else is.   GB fan (talk) 11:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The secure servers of Wikipedia are actually not that secure. Read Secure server for all the information you'll need on this. Write back if wish further assistance.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  11:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * First let me say that I am unsure how to properly edit and type in text here. I am the original poster for this inquiry and want to add that I use the Opera 11.01 browser. It is worth mentioning that when I load any page at https://secure.wikimedia.org, I briefly get a "secure" indication in my browser, however when the page is fully loaded the indication changes to showing that the connection is insecure (I have simply assumed that this means there is no encrypted connection). Lastly, I want to thank Wifione for linking to https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Secure_server. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.91.66.128 (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I get the exact same results as you, using chrome on mac. If you are concered about privacy issues I suggest you create an account (see here), as without one you are identified by the IP address that you used. Don't worry, you replied correctly, but just remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of your message. Cheers! doom gaze   (talk)  14:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Peter O'Toole
Why was the film "How To Steal A Million" not listed in Peter O'Toole's filmography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.238.248 (talk) 12:14, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It is. In Peter O'Toole filmography, under 1966 - How to Steal a Million.  Chzz  ► 12:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Australian War Memorial images
I believe that several images from the Category:Images_with_watermarks backlog can be untagged because their watermarks can't legally be removed. I was reading the copyright page of the AWM site, and it says, "You may download, display, print and reproduce this material in unaltered form only for your educational, non-commercial use or use within your organisation, provided you attribute the Australian War Memorial." I hate to ask a "legal" question on the Help desk, but as it pertains directly to Wikipedia in this case, what I'm wondering is if I'm correct in thinking what I stated above: the images cannot be altered, so the watermark tag should be removed from these images, and that's that. Is that correct? –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  12:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I would recommend you ask at WP:MCQ. I don't believe it's clear cut. The images are being used on Enwiki under claim of "fair use", which (if valid) does not require their permission. While watermarks may be required as part of licensing, that doesn't seem to be an issue when we are not relying on the license (which is unacceptable) but provisions of copyright law that permit our usage of the content without their permission. Still, I'd recommend asking at WP:MCQ. I'd also personally recommend not removing the watermark yourself no matter the feedback there if you aren't comfortable removing it; it's important to remember that we are each legally liable for our own actions on Wikipedia, no matter what somebody else tells us. We're not supposed to give legal advice. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thank you. I know my question was a blurry one, because i wasn't asking for legal advice for me, per se, but since I was more or less curious about the images we're using here. But your answer is perfect, thank you. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  21:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

How to locate where a wikilink originates from
I merged the article Sony Group into Sony. I am now going through the Wikilinks to Sony Group in order to fix double redirects. "What links here" says List of PlayStation Home Game Spaces links to Sony Group. However, I am unable to locate the corresponding wikilink inside the article text. How can I find it? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I generally open the edit window and use "find" on my browser window. That allows me to locate the link whether it is direct or piped. In this case, it's linked twice from within the section "Non-gaming Company Spaces". :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:32, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It is in the table entry for "FevaArena" - twice;

 | Sony Group {{cite web|url=http://translate.google.com [..]

|FevaArena Entrance

|*"FevaArena Global Pitch Area" - Released worldwide on June 10, 2010; the first global public space in the Home Open Beta allowing users from Asia, Europe, Japan, and North America to converge in one space to participate in events, mini-games, and to celebrate the 2010 FIFA World Cup *A lounge for the 2010 FIFA World Cup supported by Sony Group *An area for events ...


 * I found it just by editing the entire page, and searching for the link.  Chzz  ► 13:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I found it and fixed it. Thanks very much. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

One last thing, I first pasted the content of Sony Group into Sony, but undid that revision. Then I performed the merger correctly. However that means there is now one revision that lacks proper attribution, if I understand correctly. Is there a way to delete this revision? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is any need for this, because your edit summaries make it clear where the text came from. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd agree. Also help here is template {{tl|copied}}, which has an optional parameter to indicate when you placed the text. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Can i remove teachers names from a Wikipedia page?
Due to privacy issues - can I remove a teachers name from a Wikipedia page? Also who approved what goes on to a Wikipedia page in the first place? I get that you are an encyclopedia and you want to know the history of the school but some of the info is just not needed. Every time I try to make a change to make it more correct - I get stopped and told I am vandisling the page. Please help. Weeden1168 (talk) 14:11, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can and should remove the names, if they are not widely publicised - see WP:BLPNAME.


 * As you can see in the above, there are special rules concerning living people; however, all facts need reliable sources - e.g. a newspaper, a book, or something - where the fact can be verified. Anything lacking a reliable source may be challenged and/or removed


 * As regards your edits which were reverted - look at the page history, and find out who reverted - then speak to them - ie, in that case, on User talk:Xionbox and User talk:Gscshoyru. Just (politely) ask them to clarify why they removed things, and see if you can come to agreement with them.  Chzz  ► 14:14, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The names are available on line at http://www.weedenheightsps.vic.edu.au/Staff.aspx however I don't especially object to removing them. In general, decisions about Wikipedia article content are made through consensus - have a look at Consensus for more information. PhilKnight (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I'm not sure we should even have that article: primary schools aren't automatically eligable for inclusion, and it doesn't seem to meet our notability guideline for articles. I'm going to nominate it for a deletion discussion.--Physics is all gnomes (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * In these situations the common practice is to redirect to the relevant town or city article if there is one. So in this case to Vermont South, Victoria. – ukexpat (talk) 14:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Referencing URLs that contain square brackets
Is there a way to use URLs that contain square brackets as references? They always seem to not format properly, as you can see in this new article that I just came across, here, reference number 3. I've always just replaced the reference with a different one, but is there a way to use the original? doom gaze  (talk)  14:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the URL using the advice at meta:Help:URL. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

URLs containing certain characters will display and link incorrectly unless those characters are encoded. For example, a space must be replaced by %20.

URLs may also be automatically encoded by using the  magic word:   ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

The help page at meta seems to be out of date— I just did some testing and only the characters listed above need to be encoded.

Can someone please give me some help in getting the reference at A. J. Casson Award to work? (It is reference 25 on Tom LaPierre.) I've already changed one ? to a %3F, but it is still not showing as a reference. :(  Naraht (talk) 15:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Also fixed. Perhaps multiple adjacent apostrophes cause a problem? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like it gets parsed as wikimarkup first and the two single quotes are interpreted as italic markup. I updated HD/url. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:41, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I figured after banging my head against it for 15 minutes that I needed to come to the help desk. I'm not sure if there is a better place than hear to ask, but asking here did work. :) Naraht (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Is the relevant? The Open to Hope Foundation
I want to add The Open to Hope Foundation or opentohope.com to wikipedia, is that relevant? It is a non-profit online resource for those who have suffered a loss (a death). Heatherjohnsonhope (talk) 15:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)heather J


 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article. You might also look at How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. TN X Man  15:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Where would I request rollback/Twinkle rights re-added?
While I don't want to go into the details, I feel my rollback and twinkle were recently removed unfairly. Where would I request the return of those rights?  Toa   Nidhiki  05  16:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Administrators noticeboard would be the best place, but be aware you are going to have to provide details, you can't just say "I didn't like losing them, so because of that I want the rights back". -- Jayron  32  16:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Before AN, you'd be best discussing it with the person who removed it - that is, - on eir talk page, or via email.  Chzz  ►  16:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, thanks; the only reason I didn't mention it here is that I didn't want some huge conversation to start on it yet. :)  Toa   Nidhiki  05  16:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, list it on AN. I personally would not mind them being restored if there is consensus to do so. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Can't move userspace draft into mainspace
I want to move an article I have created in my userspace into mainspace. However, I cannot do this. It says the page cannot be moved and I should ask an admin for help. What do I need to do in order to move User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Wolstenholme prime into mainspace? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You can't move the page because the title Wolstenholme prime already exist, albeit as a redirect. What you need to do is edit that redirect page and add the following:
 * An admin will be along shortly and perform the move for you, once that's done. Avic ennasis  @ 16:47, 3 Nisan 5771 / 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The article looks good, and it deserves to be moved to main space, but it would clobber a redirect if it were moved directly. There is a previous mainspace article sitting under the redirect. Please take a look at this link to see the old version of the article which got replaced by the redirect. See if there is any material there which ought to be merged into your new version. Contact any admin when you complete your work and think the article is ready to be moved. As an alternative, you could just open this link directly to merge your new material into it. This would not require any admin action. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:51, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think my article is ready. The previous article does not contain any information, not already in my draft. Where should I go in order to find an admin for this? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I will do it myself now. Have added that line Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I will do it myself now. Have added that line Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I added the line mentioned above to the redirect page, but I still get the message

The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.

What else do I have to do? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It's only a quarter of an hour since you put the tag on the redirect page, so a little patience would be wise. Avicennasis said "An admin will be along shortly and perform the move for you, once that's done", and he did mean "shortly", not "instantly". - David Biddulph (talk) 17:17, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And to see that it's in the queue for admin action, you can see it at Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Will wait then. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You'll see that it's now been done. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:28, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, thank you all very much. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Please check to see if our existing article on Wolstenholme's theorem should have a link or a 'See also' to your new article on Wolstenholme prime. Maybe you can think of some other improvements that might be added to Wolstenholme's theorem, since you know this material. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I added two wikilinks to Wolstenholme's theorem pointing to Wolstenholme prime. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

WANT TO BE A MEMBER
hello am THE 2ND WORLD MAN also here to verify about the WWE and also the belt article i will be glad if my request has been granted succesfully thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.71.150.127 (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you would like to sign up for a Wikipedia account, instructions for doing so are here. -- Jayron  32  21:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Automatic facebook page
The company I work for just started their facebook page. Unfortunately, there seems to be one already that is a direct link to the wikipedia article about it (we updated the article & the page updated too). We would like to remove this facebook page. Is this something that you guys do? I've notices the same kind of page for several other companies in our field who don't have regular facebook pages. If this is something I have to contact facebook about, please let me know.BronicaBlue (talk) 20:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If there's a problem with a Facebook page, you will have to contact Facebook. If you plan to update your company's page at Wikipedia, please read and follow the conflict of interest guidelines. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The pages of Wikipedia content on facebook are mirror pages created by facebook. Wikipedia has no control over them. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 20:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, downstream copying of Wikipedia content, so long as the copier complies with the terms of Wikipedia's licenses CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL, are allowed. If it's not at a Wikimedia site, however, like en.wikipedia.org, then we have no control over the content.  -- Jayron  32  21:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks!BronicaBlue (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Please Integrate Wikipedia with Social Media Sites such as Facebook, Twitter etc
Dear Wikipedia Helpdesk,

I have been one of millions of beneficiaries of the wealth of information Wikipedia offers to all its users. I had a suggestion for Wikipedia to be integrated with all of the Social Media sites such as Facebook, Twitter since Social Media is a phenomena that no one can ignore and it would greatly benefit all Wikipedia users to share Wikipedia links/pages with their social networks.

Thanks, Raj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.83.42 (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The place to make such suggestions is at The Village Pump. However, I think your suggestion is very unlikely to be taken up: this is an encyclopaedia, not a social networking site. Its goals, its procedures, and its policies are different. --ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I can think a couple ways to integrate with social networking sites, such as the ability to login to Wikipedia with your Facebook account or the ability to Tweet about an article that you like. Plus, considering that a) Wikipedia has a dearth of female editors and b) Women rule social networking, integration with social networking might be a great way to attract new female editors to the project. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Raj: What sort of integration did you have in mind? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Sharebox is a script that reorders your toolbox. It adds new buttons that make it easier to mail, print or share an article on Facebook or another linksharing service. You must have an account to add Sharebox to the sidebar. See User:TheDJ/Sharebox for more information. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 00:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Marie Cirile Bibliography
Cynthiacirile (talk) 23:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)Bibliography

Cirile, Marie. 'Detective Marie Cirile: Memoirs of a Police Officer. (New York, Doubleday, 1975)

Cirile, Marie. Original Manuscript for "Lady Tiger." Made available by the author.

Detectivemarie.com

Cirile-Spagnuolo, Marie. "Top Cops." December 10th, 2008. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqRSCShz2Sc

www.myspace.com/mariecirilespagnuolo \

Police Officer Writers - Marie Cirile www.police-writers.com/marie_cirile.html - Cached

23:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)23:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)Cynthiacirile (talk)


 * Although the message on your user talk page was about lack of sources, Marie Cirile was actually deleted as unambiguously promotional. —teb728 t c 05:01, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And in any case, probably only the first of those would qualify as a reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 23:12, 8 April 2011 (UTC)