Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 August 5

= August 5 =

Protecting my wp account
Hello, I remember seeing something about how to protect your wikipedia account but I can not find the information anymore. The basic idea used some sort of challenge/response or nonce word and a SHA digest. Any clues to what happened to this info? DouglasCalvert (talk) 02:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you asking about WP:COMMIT? —teb728 t c 02:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats the one! Thank you I tried my hardest but I could not find it. DouglasCalvert (talk) 03:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Vector images of trademarks
What is the correct procedure to deal with media in Category:Vector images of trademarks? Nearly all of these images seem to fail WP:NFC Policy 3. b.. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 09:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * For the purpose of WP:NFCC the size of an SVG logo is taken to be the rendered size. So the logo should be rendered no larger than is required for the purposes of identification and/or critical commentary. (See SVG-Logo. The fact that it could be rendered larger is not considered a 3b violation. —teb728 t c 10:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 3b says "This rule also applies to the copy in the File: namespace." When I click for example 2000px at File:007.svg I am leaving the File: Namespace, as the 2000px rendering is at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/007.svg/2000px-007.svg.png. Perhaps this means, it is in fact not a violation. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Article accreditation
Please could I be sent a break down of the accreditation or rating system for Wikipedia becaues it often features in my research and would like to know how to rank the various pieces in relation to other sources I might use. A graduated validation system would be ideal with an explanation of how ratings or attained.

Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankylisk (talk • contribs) 09:36, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are asking about the reliability of information in Wikipedia, it is not reliable at all, but as a matter of policy all information must be verified (or at least verifiable) with a citation to a published reliable source. (And Wikipedia itself may not be used as a source on Wikipedia.) So if you want to validate the information you get from Wikipedia, you go to the sources and validate the information there. —teb728 t c 10:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * See also Researching with Wikipedia and Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

template for code of federal reguations
Is there a template useful for citing US Code of Federal Regulations? Something like template:cite journal but for CFR. DrMatthias (talk) 11:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I found what I'm looking for: Template:CodeFedReg. DrMatthias (talk) 11:50, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It's unfair to add such Allegations/Controversies on a biography when nothing has been proved yet. Article Subrata Roy
In the section "Controversies" of the article "Subrata Roy" there are two different allegations 1. 2G Spectrum Scam and Contempt of Court & 2. Securities and Exchange Board of India Ban

Both cases are still under judiciary and nothing has been proved yet. In contempt of the court case Senior Advocate K K Venugopal said on behalf of the CBI that: “Evidence found till now is insufficient” Reference: http://post.jagran.com/2g-case-cbi-examines-radia-others-in-allegation-against-sahara-1310403191. In case of SEBI ban, Supreme Court of india on 15th July 2011 granted a stay on market regulator SEBI’s order of June 23, 2011 that ordered Sahara Group companies to return the money raised through optionally fully convertible debentures (OFCD). Reference: http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/sc-directs-sahara-to-approach-sat-against-sebi-order-on-ofcds-164375 So according to me it is unfair to write about these Allegations/Controversies on a biography when nothing has been proved yet and it should be deleted from this article. I would like to request all contributors to put your views forward on this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.14.34 (talk) 11:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * They are sourced and notable, I'm afraid. Just please note the wording used. The sections carefully make it a point to say 'allegedly', this is compliant with WP:DUE. Removing them is unhelpful, as that is tantamount to censoring. If you think this might be a guilt by association scenario, it may help if you add other viewpoints of the cases instead. You already have the sources in hand.


 * Also see Biographies of living persons, Controversial articles, and Criticism.--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   11:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Changes to Country Risk wiki page and editing country pages
hi, I am trying to update the "country risk" page which already has information about a survey and wanted to give a better overview of what the survey is about. It was not intended for advertising. Also, I have been unable to add a reference link to country pages about more details on the actual rankings. please advise! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emresearch6 (talk • contribs) 12:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Perusing your contributions, it looks like you are spamming a link across multiple articles. Please do not do that. I would suggest reading our guide to advertising, as that may assist you. TN X Man  13:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (e/c) Both the adding of links and your user name suggests you are operating under a conflict of interest. Your actions would appear to me to be reference spamming. I would not recommend you continue as you have, your best bet is to read the guidelines I have linked you to, then if you feel these links add something to an article you can suggest it at the article talk pages (i.e. Talk:Country_risk) and independent/uninvolved editors can add it to the articles if they feel it will contribute. Яehevkor ✉  13:03, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Privacy and Safety
If I have a Wikipedia username, can my IP address still be discovered? I have been targeted before by botnets and am worried that my Wikipedia posts may have been the reason. I have abandoned my old account and have created a new username as a precaution. Did I really need to do that?

If anyone knows about this (really knows, please no guesses) please let me know.

Thanks in advance,

Writeonandon (talk) 12:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Only specific, privileged users called checkusers have access to IP data of contributors, and they must identify themselves personally to the Wikimedia Foundation to prevent abuse of the data. So no, no botnet-operator can find your IP address from your username. However, if you ever accidentally edit logged out, you should contact an administrator or oversighter to get the IP hidden. Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Registering an account hides your IP address. There are a very limited number of users (called checkusers) that look at your IP info. This is only done, however, if you are suspected of operating multiple accounts contra policy or otherwise abusing Wikipedia. TN X Man  12:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers! :-)

Writeonandon (talk) 16:51, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Drop of Contributors
I can understand why there is a drop in contributors. So many pages are monitored by someone with a large ego that feels like the own the page. Every time someone updates the page the revert it back, over and over and over again. I just gave up on contributing because it became a waste of time fighting with these people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.148.178 (talk) 12:55, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The editor seems to be sore about their contributions, like this one, being removed. That was removed because items in a list of that sort should be notable and have an article first and then they can be added to such lists.  That is one of the provisions of WP:REDLINK.  Dismas |(talk) 13:46, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Reporting an error
I found an error in an article that I want to bring to someone's attention, but I don't want to change it myself. What can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.166.84.225 (talk) 13:27, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You can mention it here or on the article's talk page, where other interested editors can see it. TN X Man  13:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You could also have mentioned it here and one of us could have taken a look at it. Dismas |(talk) 13:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Usablenet Wikipedia Page Status
Hi there,

I created the Usablenet Wikipedia page a couple weeks ago and it has yet to be approved. Do you know when it'll go live?

Thank you in advance for the quick response! Briana

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.61.83.10 (talk) 13:52, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the comments in the pink box at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Usablenet. (I have removed your email address to protect your privacy). -- John of Reading (talk) 13:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It was subsequently edited and resubmitted, but unfortunately I had to decline it as a copyright violation.  Chzz  ► 18:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Wonder Man comic book
I looked up "Wonder Man comic book" to look up a copy that I have and it doesn't seem to be included in the bibliography. I own a Wonder Man comic book by Marvel comics that is a first edition is the March 1985 issue. I am not an expert but I believe that this issue is a compilation of previous work and isn't original but was published and sold by marvel comics in 1985. It is possible that this is the reason it was not included in the bibliography.? Either way I feel that I may have a very, very rare comic book since it "does not exist". Confirmation of this fact would be awesome if you could. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.147.123 (talk) 15:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps.  TN X Man  15:11, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Making coords visible through infobox
Many infoboxes add coordinates to the top of the article or display them inside the infobox if coords are added. See Stony River Township, Lake County, Minnesota and Epsilon II Archaeological Site for examples: neither of them have any coordinate coding except for those in Infobox settlement and Infobox NRHP respectively, but both have the coordinates in the top right corner and underneath the map. To my surprise, entering the "latitude" and "longitude" fields of Infobox hospital (see Midwest Proton Radiotherapy Institute for an example) only works to produce the map, and using the "coordinates" field produces the coords in the top right corner and displays them in the infobox, but it doesn't produce the map. Any idea how the template could be modified to allow the "coordinates" feature to produce the map or the "latitude" and "longitude" features to display the coords in the infobox and the top right corner? Nyttend (talk) 15:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

List of Publications critical of the Latter Day Saint movement
I would like to add a book to the list of books entitled "List of publications critical of the Latter Day Saint movement." I can't figure out how to do it. When i go to the site and click "Edit" I get a format that doesn't resemble the list itself. How do I add a book to that list?

Ed Bliss   FriendlyDiscussion (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your question. The list is formatted in standard Wikipedia markup language. Just use another book listing in the right section as a model to emulate. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:06, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Considering the context of what he says, I think he is asking how to add a page to a category. LikeLakers2 (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * From the user's page, it appears that he is attempting to insert his own book into the list. I'd think that WP:COI might be relevant here. While I'd not make any judgement one way or another regarding the merits of the book, I do have to ask whether the list itself is justified. Are there other 'Lists of publications critical of X' in Wikipedia? AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "A Friendly Discussion: Mormonism Pro and Con is a book by Ed Bliss"; he'd inserted a link to this self-published book, and one of our IPs had removed it from the list for obvious reasons. The spamusername account has been blocked. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:27, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Image info
This image was moved to commons. However, the description & cats were lost in the move. Is it possible for someone to place this info on my talk page so I can re-add it to the file? Thanks. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 21:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As it was deleted by, I've told about this .  Chzz  ►  23:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Restored (file log). I'm she, BTW.  – Athaenara  ✉  23:16, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Athaenara, thanks. FieldMarine, the local image is back, File:Asa Biggs Historical Marker 1.jpg. Marking this 'resolved'.  Chzz  ► 23:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Technical help about moving two articles
After I have read WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and esspecially the example about Albert Einstein, I need some technical help: --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 22:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The disambiguation page "Steinway" should change name to "Steinway (disambiguation)"
 * The page "Steinway" should then redirect to the article "Steinway & Sons"
 * I agree.
 * I'd like to just do it, but can't, because the dab exists. Therefore, step #1 is, I tagged that for deletion; - in case it has already gone, here's what I added;

If that's deleted as per my request, I can do the remainder.  Chzz  ► 22:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been deleted, so I've done the rest.
 * The DAB page is now Steinway (disambiguation). And Steinway redirs to Steinway & Sons. Done?  Chzz  ► 23:06, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It is perfect. Thank you very much. --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 23:09, 5 August 2011 (UTC)