Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 August 8

= August 8 =

Italicize species title
I want the title of two articles that I started - Philanthaxia pseudoaenea and Trichogramma evanescens - italicized, but I don't know how to. Joe Chill (talk) 01:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You can use the template, .  Lady  of  Shalott  01:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was looking through some species articles that I started that are stubs and Start Class that are italicized so maybe I forgot all about it or other members added the template. I actually thought that adding italics could italicize the title. Joe Chill (talk) 01:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The other thing is using a taxobox. I think unless another name (such as a common name) is listed in the taxobox, it takes care of it. It's good to use a taxobox when it's relevant anyway. Lady  of  Shalott  01:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to add a taxobox for Philanthaxia pseudoaenea, but I'm not sure about how to go about it when I don't know who actually discovered it. I looked at two news articles about the big discovery of four beetle species, but they don't mention who discovered them or if there was only one discoverer. Is it ok to add a taxobox without that information? Joe Chill (talk) 01:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, just put in what you do know, and leave the fields you don't blank. Lady  of  Shalott  01:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also note that you need to explicitly italicize the binomen in manual taxoboxes. If you use an (or  for species articles), the titles and relevant fields are automatically italicized for species and genera. I suggest you look into that. Though be warned, it can be thoroughly confusing for a beginner, if it's too much, stick with manual taxoboxes.


 * I have also added the authors for P. pseudoaenea - Bílý & Nakládal, 2011. Also note that the person(s) who discover them are not necessarily the authors. The authors are the person(s) who first publish a description and a valid name of them in an academic paper. See Author citation (zoology). --  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   06:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

What do I need to create a new Church page?
I would like to know if there are any circumstances for creating a Church's page. Does the church need to be on a National Historic Places page or does it need to have a historic person/event with it?Ltlane777 (talk) 02:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is pretty easy, you need to have reliable sources. The sources need to be independent of the church and provide significant coverage.  If there are newspaper articles about the church that would work.  The church does not need to be listed on the NHR and have a historical person/event with it.  You might want to look at, WP:Notability, this gives more information about how to determine if something is considered notable enough to have an article.  GB fan please review my editing 02:11, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that helped.Ltlane777 (talk) 02:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please consider using the Article Wizard and creating a draft article in your userspace first. – ukexpat (talk) 14:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/98.171.190.114


Some administrator should refer to the subject item. I was unable on a "first try" to add something of importance to an "Stub" and do not want to spend time learning how to submit additions, (at least at this tome). Whatever I put in Bold in my item is offered withour constraints, ownership, etc, but I do take responsibility for the accuracy of the statement, which can be confirmed by C_SPAN.org/QandA````


 * The OP seems to be referring to what they've placed on their talk page at User talk:98.171.190.114. Dismas |(talk) 08:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)




 * See my changes. You did not need an administrator to do those changes. In the future, if you wish to propose an edit to an article, please place the following text:




 * In an article's talk page, followed immediately by what you would like to add or change to the given article. Please also make sure you are giving a valid link for your sources (i.e. something actually clickable). I have also not included the rest of your proposed text as they are a bit subjective and not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Cheers.--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   08:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, do not put help me on the article's talk page, it goes on your talk page User talk:98.171.190.114).  Ebe 123  talkContribs 11:28, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Set an upper limit for the rendering resolution of uploaded images
Is it possible to set an upper bound for available sizes an .svg image is rendered as PNG? The concrete example in question is. While I think the resolution of 500px is fine to illustrate the intricate details in the image, having this image rendered at a resolution of 2000px is not needed in my opinion and is a violation of WP:NFC Policy 3 b. Is it possible to restrict the rendering choices for the file to a maximum of 500px and if so, how can I do this? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 08:44, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting question. I think I saw it raised


 * here and


 * here without a clear answer.


 * Graeme Bartlett said "There was a previous discussion on .SVG logos where it was decided they could be kept." but he then linked to this discussion which doesn't sound definitive.


 * See also this discussion


 * and this one


 * I haven't yet read all the contents, but I didn't see anything that struck me as a clear guideline.-- SPhilbrick  T  12:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Having read a bit more, my guess is no, but that's an inference, on the assumption that if it were possible, someone would have suggested it. That's not a completely satisfactory answer, but the experts at Village pump (technical) are probably best equipped to answer your specific question. As an aside, while one summary of the discussion concluded that they could be used, I read it differently, and thought the consensus was opposed.-- SPhilbrick  T  12:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your efforts, Sphilbrick. I think I will bring it up at WP:VPT or perhaps ask a specific user whom I know to be very competent regarding technical aspects. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

It's not possible to 'code' a size limitation into an SVG, because it is just made up of shapes; hence, if the svg is available to display, anyone could download it and display/use it at any resolution they wanted. We could stop mediawiki from having the 'display at 2000px' option, but that isn't really solving anything. It's the way an SVG works; it doesn't have a 'size' - just shapes, which can be displayed at any res you wish.  Chzz  ► 13:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC) I'll copy this cmt to the VPT thread, but I'll leave it here too  Chzz  ►  13:34, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, if that's not possible, the only two options I see would be to either recreate the image at a lower resolution or remove it from the article since this is a 3b violation. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Islamic Mobiling
Islamic Mobiling Is is the mobiling based on islamic low.

1 History of Islamic Mobiling 1.1 Introduction

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Moralmedias (talk • contribs) 09:11, 8 August 2011


 * Do you have a specific question regarding Wikipedia or a specific article here at Wikipedia? If not, this is probably the wrong place, since [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:12, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This isn't the right place to start an article. Please read WP:FIRST. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 13:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Just click on the blue link in the reply preceeding this one. (PS: there are a number of links on the right side of the page that might also be helpful). If you have further questions, feel free to come back here again or ask me on my talk page (just click here to get there). I hope this is helpful. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

References confirmed and requested to be validated
Felicity_Jurd

Please assist to remove the text: This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. Please improve this article by introducing more precise citations where appropriate. (May 2011)

and also this text:

This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (May 2011)

This article is confirmed by 12 references including articles in major press and IMDB website. The above text, which refers to adding reliable resources, is not necessary or required given the text that has been confirmed by the references.

Many thanks Kjmelf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjmelf (talk • contribs)


 * You could remove them if you liked. They're at the top of the edit window.  But I wouldn't if I were you.  The "early life" and "personal life" sections are completely unreferenced.  Dismas |(talk) 11:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed that particular tag and tried to clean up the article, but there are too many issues, so I have listed it at Articles for deletion/Felicity Jurd. Яehevkor ✉  11:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. Actually, there is a Wiki reference for Early Life there connected to St Vincent's College where the subject is a confirmed student. There is also confirmation of work and education reference at Australian Theatre for Young People on their official website and alumni list which is also referenced: http://www.atyp.com.au/index.php/about-us/alumni The IMDB Biography also confirms the early life section: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2964700/bio - i believe that the page does not need to be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjmelf (talk • contribs) 12:19, 8 August 2011


 * Vector toolbar with signature button.png you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. You can also do this by clicking the 'sign' button, pictured to the right.
 * The heading boxes you described are called Template messages. The first was, the second was.
 * Anyone can add, or remove, such messages; they're designed to aid other editors, showing what improvements are necessary - and therefore shouldn't be removed unless the issues are resolved.
 * However, in the case of that specific article, this is now moot, as there is a deletion discussion under-way here, so comments about the referencing should be made in that discussion.  Chzz  ► 13:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Editing
Dear Sir or Madame,

May this find Well, You - and All with You. This is my first contact. I have read what I think are relevant pages. They provide no help.

I want to edit an article. When I click on "Edit", I don't get to any screen, that allows me to edit anything. Rather, I am directed to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page.

Here, there is no access to anything having to do with editing.

What, if anything, am I doing wrong?

Thanks for your kind help. I appreciate it.

Yours faithfully,

Topspook (I set up an account, which made no difference at all). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.152.197 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 8 August 2011


 * Where do you click "Edit" on which page? Which browser or device are you using? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Bypass your browser cache.  Puffin  Let's talk! 13:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You managed to edit this page. Can you also try making a test edit here, in the sandbox?
 * Which page are you trying to edit?  Chzz  ► 13:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Interstate highways exit lists
In reference to articles about Interstate highways in the U.S.: In the exit lists, the "destinations" column usually indicates the locations marked on the highway's signs. Some of these destinations are red links because they are small communities or parts of municipalities. Because they have no official politcal designation (borough, city, township or whatever) and their size, they are unlikely to ever have Wikipedia articles. Should they be left as red links anyway, pipe-linked to the actual municipality they are in, or have their links removed. Note that pipe-linking in some (but not all) cases would link to the same community listed in the "location" column, if that makes a difference in determining what to do. Thank you. — Michael J 14:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you please give links to a couple of examples? Thanks,  Chzz  ► 14:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly. See the list on Interstate 81 in Pennsylvania, for example. (This one I know for certain because I live in the area, but can be verified by detailed state-published maps, etc. There are others I question, but will look them up.) Exit 201 is located in Scott Township, and its destination is East Benton, which is in Benton Township. Exit 202 is in Benton Township, as is one of its destinations, Fleetville, but Tompkinsville is in Scott Township. (By the way, Tomkinsville is misspelled; I will fix that.) None of these villages — East Benton, Fleetville or Tompkinsville — is notable enough for an article, but the townships which include them already have articles. Thank you. — Michael J 15:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. First, a caveat: I'm not American, and I do not honestly know, for sure, if there is any chance that an article on e.g. "East Benton" is beyond reasonable possibility of meeting notability requirements. So - assuming that it isn't, for the purposes of helping here, and taking that one as an example;
 * The relevent portion of the page regarding junction 201, is;


 * That's using Template:Jct which, when provided with a city1, auto-links.
 * As "East Benton" is not that type of destination, I suggest changing it to use the "location1" parameter instead, which will not link - viz.


 * I also suggest that East Benson should probably actually exist, as a redirect to Benton Township, Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania. I still would not advise linking it in the table on Interstate 81 in Pennsylvania though, because of the link to Benton Township in the other column.
 * IMHO, YMMV , HTH , and all that. There might, somewhere, be some style-guide that elaborates. And/or others might have alternative views about the potential of the link/s. If you think it'd be a bit too bold to modify lots of them, you could always start a discussion on the articles talk, and give it some days to see if anyone screams. Best,  Chzz  ► 15:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There's MOS:RJL. — G FOLEY   F OUR!  — 18:57, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Chzz and Gfoley. I think for the moment I will leave the list as is. (I did not know we had a MOS:RJL!) There are no inaccuracies in the list, and I'm not about to redirect every little village to its apporpriate township. Also, while I said that articles for those villages are unlikely, they are actual places, and I suppose someone could someday come up with enough information for an article. And according to my inerpretation of WP:RED, they should be left as such. Thanks again! — Michael J 21:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk page problems
Help! I'm receiving several new talk page messages (all about marking articles for deletion), and they appear in the edit text box but not on the page. What's wrong? --Nathan2055talk 15:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone had put in the string . PrimeHunter (talk) 16:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. That was me, I forgot to put in nowiki tags. Well, at least it's solved now. Thanks everyone! --Nathan2055talk 16:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Quick tip; putting &amp;lt;ref> works too (ampersand, small L, small T - for the less-than symbol. It's shorter :-)  Chzz  ► 16:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Older dumps of Italian Wikipedia
Me and my university professor had an idea for my final thesis in Italian Linguistics: study lexical development of Italian language on the basis of Italian Wikipedia. So I was going to download one of the latest and one of the oldest dumps and compare them. The problem is the oldest dump of Italian Wiki I find is from 2010. Is there any way to get older versions now? Of at least 2005-2006? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.54.172.110 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 8 August 2011
 * I guess you're looking in http://dumps.wikimedia.org/itwiki/ - if you look at 'latest', there are two types of dumps.
 * The files with "current" in the filename only have the most recent version of the pages, but those with "history" contains the complete page edit history. You will probably want itwiki-latest-pages-meta-history.xml<.whatever-format> Using that, you could analyse page content from any date you wanted.
 * There is some further information on Data dumps. As this is rather technical, and not related to the English Wikipedia, you are more likely to get appropriate help in the IRC channel . Best of luck,  Chzz  ► 16:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

backprocess of transmission of e-mail
what is the backprocess of transmission of e-mail from sender to reciever
 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps.
 * Please note, however, they will not do your homework. TN X Man  17:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

case sensitivity
Logging in....Dantons. and using password.......... (Redacted) isn't working. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.14.130 (talk) 18:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no user account Dantons, and, if there were, posting your password on a public page would be an extremely bad idea. Lady  of  Shalott  18:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Check your email. Make sure your user-name and password is entered exactly as you registered - including caps, spaces, dots, and so forth.
 * If you can't log in, create a new account; as long as you don't use more than one account, that's fine.
 * Never reveal your password to others.  Chzz  ► 19:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Is your username one of these? —teb728 t c 20:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Impossible unicode combination?
Hi. I'm trying to replicate a symbol that is used in the shipping industry. It is a maltese cross with a filled-in circle over it, as shown here and on page 5 of this document.


 * I can make the maltese cross &#10021; with
 * and I can add the combining diacritical mark to other characters "a&#778;", like this:
 * but when I try to combine them with  i see a box with a circle over it: &#10021;&#778;

Any ideas? Thanks. Haus Talk 19:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Because you are adding the diacritical mark to the maltese cross. I don't see the box, so the problem must be with your browser's rendering of the unicode.  I see a maltese cross with a little circle above it.-- Jayron  32  20:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't seem to make it work. Have you tried alt codes?  I noticed that the maltese cross on the DNV page was an image instead of a normal character.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  20:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I tried a few browsers on 2 operating systems: Google chrome on windows was the only on I tried that it didn't render on.  Thanks for the help!  Haus Talk 20:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The above doesn't work for me, on Firefox 5.0; the dot appears at the top-right like the little circle that comes after some Japanese characters, such as Japanese Hiragana kyokashotai PA.png. It looks like this. I tried a few diacritic things, but can't get anything to work; even if it did, it might not be consistent.
 * I think it'd be far better to use a small inline symbol - just like I did above, for that Japanese character. I could've used the unicode symbol ぽ but, that might not work for all users.
 * You might want to ask for an SVG to be made, over at the Graphic Lab. It's probably best to copy it from this DNV PDF, because at least we can zoom in on that one.
 * BTW, 10021 (✥) is not called a Maltese cross, it's a "four club-spoked asterisk". 10016 (✠) is called a "Maltese cross" in unicode tables - despite, as far as I can see, looking nothing like one. DNV call it that, so meh.  Chzz  ► 21:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help. I think the right thing to do is to make a svg for the moment, but call the thing from a template.  That way, x years from now, when the glyphs consistently display correctly, it can be changed in one place. I'm no artist, but "Dnv-cross-dotted.svg bla bla bla Dnv-cross.svg bla bla bla" seems close enough for rock and roll.  Haus Talk 22:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with both comments. That image looks fine, and it's worth being a template too.  Chzz  ►  23:53, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

page move
http://www.baronetage.org/unproven.htm has been moved to http://www.baronetage.org/succession-to-baronetcy/ - Kittybrewster  &#9742;  19:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. Why do we all need to know this here?  -- Jayron  32  20:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe because the former is used a reference in articles that will now need to be updated to the latter, to avoid a dead link? – ukexpat (talk) 20:14, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * See these search results. – ukexpat (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am quite sure that was the point, but wouldn't it be better to post this on the talk pages of articles and/or Wikiprojects where it will find the people who are most likely to make good use of it? Or better yet, just update the references oneself.  Posting the above fact here is probably the second least likely way to fix the problem (the least likely being "do nothing")There are billions of references in Wikipedia articles, and some non-trivial number of them go dead every day.  It isn't that people shouldn't be notified of dead links, but this particular forum isn't exactly the best place to do that.  -- Jayron  32  20:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Use Special:LinkSearch to find links to an external site. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there a robot which will auto move them all? Kittybrewster  &#9742;  11:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. -- Jayron  32  16:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * AutoWikiBrowser can do it semi-automated. If there are a lot of edits then a request can be made at Bot requests. There are no more any article links to http://www.baronetage.org/unproven.htm. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

index error
On the index page for American Librarians, Paul S. Dunkin is listed in P, and not listed in D. Trivial, but you're the first easy place to get some attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.173.102.208 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Mr. Dunkin should now be under "D" in Category:American librarians. Avic ennasis  @ 23:48, 8 Av 5771 / 8 August 2011 (UTC)