Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 December 1

= December 1 =

Re:not sure why my sources aren't considered verifiable, they are national (Australian) public media outlets
Hi there,

Thanks for your help with this:

My article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Lee_McAllistair

Has twice been deemed as having unverifiable sources. Yet the sources used in the article are:

The Australian - major national newspaper, and the link to the online article is provided in the references and inline ABC Jazz / The ABC - major national media outlet- as above Adelaide Now - division of News Ltd / The Advertiser - major state-based media outlet in South Australia Edinburgh Evening News - international media outlet Eastside 89.7 FM - Sydney-based radio station - again link is provided

The only other links are to the artist's personal websites and facebook pages which can be deleted if necessary?

Not sure what the problem is - all the articles are from independent third party media sources and are clearly referenced with links provided inline as well as in the references at the bottom.

Please help?

Also, I tried to use Wiki live chat but couldn't actually type anything or respond to anything, my cursor wouldn't recognise that there was anywhere to type. Is it meant to be used in conjunction with a third party live messenging program like Windows Messenger?

Thank you Jazzhead101Jazzhead101 (talk) 01:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * In this case, I see that your references are reviews of the album. The album publisher sends truckloads of albums to papers to get reviews (often, writing the reviews themselves to make it easier to get them published). Do you have a reference that states this singer notable. For example: How many top selling albums does she have? How many top hits according to music charts does she have? The goal of the article should initially be to prove notability. Then, once that is handled, you can work on adding information. Also, place your references in the article between &lt;ref&gt; and &lt;/ref&gt;. Having the links in the article will immediately make reviewers have a bad attitude about the article. -- k a i n a w &trade; 01:13, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm an RS/N editor, Australian, and sources wonk. I'm responding at the page.   Newspaper articles can be unreliable for a variety of reasons. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You've copy/pasted content from leemcallistair.com/. This is a copyright violation.  You need to remove this content from the article.
 * This http://abcjazz.net.au/artist/lee-mcallistair isn't reliable for notability, and contains no content to verify against.
 * These aren't highly reliable, or reliable for many things: http://leemcallistair.com/ ; http://www.facebook.com/LeeMcAllistair
 * This website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/kitandthewidow/pip/1a58i/) doesn't verify anything, but a sound recording on it might
 * I share Kainaw's notability concerns: you might have reliable sources, but that doesn't indicate that she's notable when they're all reviews pushing an album or a gig. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Adding info on another resident
hello. I wd/ lk for you to add some data about another past resident. Pls say this: Stefani Harris only child of Valerie and Cesar Enrique Harris Consul General of Panama, Canal Zone  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.37.10 (talk) 02:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Where do you think this information should be added? If possible, provide a link to the page you think it should be added to.
 * However, i'm not sure Wikipedia is the right place for this: Wikipedia doesn't normally list residents of any place unless they are famous/notable, and the daughter of a diplomat probably isn't important enough to be listed. (Cesar Enrique Harris himself does not have his own Wikipedia page.) --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "... wd/ lk ..."? Astronaut (talk) 15:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess that the OP may have meant "... would like ...". Perhaps we ought to emphasise to ppl that this is the English Wikipedia, not the txt spk Wikipedia?  :-(  - David Biddulph (talk) 15:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

user-sandbox question
just started working on new article in my user-sandbox (not the general sandbox). If I click Save can my work be viewed? Or does it remain under wraps in my userpage sandbox until ready to publish? So far I've just clicked Preview - which doesn't save it. I'll need several sittings to get this new entry into shape so need to save the work and keep coming back.Montpelier31 (talk) 02:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If you click save, it'll publish it and users can view it. However, it will remain in your user-sandbox until you move it into article space using the "move" button. Your user-sandbox is for your use only, however- other users shouldn't edit there unless you ask them to, so you'll be able to work on your article without interruption.--Slon02 (talk) 03:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's generally considered rude to edit someone's sandbox articles without the owner's invitation. Most people don't even go looking for sandboxes.  That all said, a sandbox article should still follow the policies and guidelines such as WP:BLP and they shouldn't have copyright violations.  Dismas |(talk) 04:34, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Assembling colour from templates
Can anyone tell me why this isn't working?

At first I thought that it was because the # sign and the F08080 come from two different places in the template, but Template:Infobox election does the same thing and it works there. I've tested different ways of setting this up and I keep getting the same problem. Thanks! —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 05:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * At first I thought it was because you took the # out of the nowikis, but that didn't work, now I'm stumped. 117Avenue (talk) 06:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The markup for the cell needs to be in the same line as the cell contents. For example,


 * is a table with two adjacent cells 'bgcolor="#F08080"' and 'This table should be a single red cell.', whereas


 * is a single cell with the bgcolor property applied to it. Somewhere in the template spaghetti is a stray newline, which is pushing the  into a separate line in the processed result. DMacks (talk) 06:13, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, removing the trailing newline from the included portion of Canadian party colour fixes the effect. DMacks (talk) 06:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Adding photos to existing article.
I have, in the past, added a few photos to existing articles and would like to do so again. However I cannot figure out how to do it because, from what I can tell, it has become so bloody complicated that the simple act of uploading a photo I took and am offering to the Public Domain has become nearly impossible. I have some photos I took on a trip to visit the Grand Coulee Dam in Washington State, USA. I believe that one or two of my photos would enhance the article and I would simply like to find an uncomplicated way to upload them to the Wikipedia article. There is nothing fancy here just a simple wish to add to the already well-written article. HELP?

Thank you, James Pangborn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wa6fhx (talk • contribs) 05:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Ensure that their copyright status has been specified and we are allowed to use it on Wikipedia. See: Images and Picture tutorial for more information.Moxy (talk) 05:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Step-by-step instructions:
 * Go the Wikimedia Commons and if you are not already, sign up for an account and then go to this upload page directly:
 * In the first field for  click browse and choose the image on your computer;
 * Fill in a date in the  field; tell us what it is in the   field;
 * In the last field for, click on the up/down arrow on right hand side and choose the last license in the dropdown menu, for "CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication..."
 * Click the  button at the bottom left of the page.
 * You're done. There are some other things you could do, like filling in appropriate categories in that field if you can figure out how, and you could choose a different license, but this is the basics of a public domain upload. Once done, the image can be used directly here: add  to the area of an article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. If it comes out too large, add an additional parameter for size in the form   to the image placement code, changing the number higher or lower to increase and decrease the size of the image's display.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

ORIGINAL MEANING OF THE WORDS
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN,

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW COULD I REACH THE CONCERN DEPARTMENT OR A PERSON WHOM I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN HIM THE CORRECT ORIGINAL MEANINGS OF SOME WORDS THEY DO NOT THE MEANING AND ORIGIN OF IT.

REGARDS, OMER ALPAY ISTANBUL - TURKIYE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.131.165.134 (talk) 07:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * In the first place PLEASE DON’T SHOUT. It is considered rude.
 * Secondly, do you understand that you are at Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia? If you have found a misused word on a Wikipedia page, you can click the “Discussion” tab; this will take you to the page’s talk page, where you can discuss page content. But PLEASE DON'T SHOUT when you do so. —teb728 t c 10:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * In case it's not clear from TEB728's comment, typing in ALL CAPS in electronic discussions is the equivalent of shouting. See WP:SHOUTING for more information. DMacks (talk) 11:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are asking for information on a subject, and cannot find a suitable article, then the reference desk might be of use to you. But it sounds as if you are wanting to tell somebody something. If that is so, then unless you want to alter an article, and have reliable sources for the information you want to put in the article Wikipedia is not the place for it. But I will remark that what a word means is what people use it to mean, and what people understand by it, nothing else. What it originally meant (and what somebody thinks it ought to mean, and even what a dictionary says it means) may be part of its history, but do not necessarily tell you anything about its meaning. --ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

How to convert a wiki page in Bangla
Hi,

I am interested in translating a few articles here in wiki to Bangla. I was wondering where do I start. I can translate it, but how do I publish?

Please answer with as much detail as possible or provide links to pages that can answer my question.

Thanks is advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajal Mark (talk • contribs) 08:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * There is general information in Translation and Copying within Wikipedia; Your first article describes the article creation process. But if you're going to post on the Bangla Wikipedia, you should ask there (or read their help pages) to get information as their policies may differ slightly from English Wikipedia.  Maybe someone with knowledge of the Bangla Wikipedia will read this and give you pointers. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * (e/c) The Bengali Wikipedia is here. As with English Wikipedia, one way to create an article is to type the title into the search box and search for it. If an article of that title doesn't exist, it will offer to create it ( পাতাটি এই উইকিতে তৈরি করুন! ). If you don't know how to enter Bengali script, there is information on that in the Bengali Wikipedia article here in English Wikipedia. (I think there is equivalent info at the top of every Bengali page.) —teb728 t c 10:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

HMS MAHRATTA G23
Hello well read but the pages you got the information from.

My name is spelt wrong: KIERON not keiron U-BOAT sunk HMS MAHRATTA. HMS Mahratta service summary page shows ADMIRALTY Service sheet, lists U-956 sunk mahratta and not U-990 as eeryone else say's

thank you kieron hoare htp://hmsmahratta.50megs.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.34.172 (talk) 09:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the spelling mistake. The U990/U956 issue has been discussed at Talk:HMS Mahratta (G23), with the conclusion that the article should follow the naval-history.net source. You could start a new discussion there. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the spelling mistake. The U990/U956 issue has been discussed at Talk:HMS Mahratta (G23), with the conclusion that the article should follow the naval-history.net source. You could start a new discussion there. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Will someone create the page "Justice Party (United States)"
Respectfully request that someone create the page "Justice Party (United States)"

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705395124/Rocky-Anderson-forms-Justice-Party-plans-to-run-for-president.html

Would like to use Wiki as a reference, but need the page to be created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.60.76.152 (talk) 13:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is a reference work, not a place to publish press releases and the like. See WP:UPANDCOMING and WP:TOOSOON. If and when this "party" and its candidate become notable enough to attract more than a single local newspaper advertisement, then somebody may write about it; but we are not ourselves a reference, nor do we pretend to be! -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:06, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Category question
Is there a category related to private military roads? I am in the process of creating a page about Normandy Road, which is a 15 mile government access road in Central NJ, connecting two Military bases. Category:Access roads, Category:Private military roads don't exist, but is there a similar one? Tinton5 (talk) 15:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It would appear not, as none of the several articles mentioned in Military Road are in a category of that nature. I suggest creating Category:Military roads, and adding them to that category.  Chzz  ► 16:18, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. Now created. Tinton5 (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced reference
I was trying to add a reference to Porphyria Cutanea Tarda and seem to have deleted all the references that were already there. Please can this be undone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MassSpecExpert (talk • contribs) 17:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I see that you got part way to curing the problem. I've  your additional ref to where I think you wanted it.  References are defined not in the references section but in the para where the text is for which the ref forms the source. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:58, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

List of concert halls
I made a mistake. I wanted to add 1 venue (The "Scottish Rite Cathedral" in New Castle, PA) to the Wikipedia article entitled "List of concert halls".

The Information made it into the article - but my entry information supplanted the original column headings. Could anyone remedy this little glitch for me?

I have since learned that i should always use the sandbox first.

Thank you so much.

Country R. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.236.107.206 (talk) 18:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed by another user. and I'd like to compliment you on the message that you've left here. You may want to register for an account. Also, the entries in a table have a |(Vertical bar) on the left hand side, the headers have !(exclamation point).Naraht (talk) 19:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I've to put the column headings back and put your entry into the right spot in alphabetic order.  If there are appropriate wikilinks that you can add, you can do that by putting  ...   double brackets around the relevant text. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * ... and I've now for you. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:26, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

virus?
When I typed in wikipedia.org, I was congratulated on being the PA winner of some random contest. They asked for my email, which I gave them and then referred me to a page that wanted address info, etc. So I shut dwon the browsesr. When I tried again the same thing happened. Sounds like malware to me. I thought I ought to inform you. I do not need an answer. M Sommar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.212.50 (talk) 18:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It is malware on your computer, not on Wikipedia. -- k a i n a w &trade; 19:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Or you may have been the victim of typosquatting if you didn't enter wikipedia.org correctly but something similar like wikipidea.org. You can avoid this by making a bookmark for http://en.wikipedia.org and not type the url manually. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You can probably expect lots of Email spam. Just curious why, if you expected to go to an encyclopedia and you ended up somewhere else, why would you enter your email address?  This is why spam is such a problem for email users, and is a major cause of the spread of viruses and malware.  Astronaut (talk) 11:06, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Changing the logo image for our company's page description
We recently developed a new logo for our company but I can't figure out how to change off the old logo. How do I delete the old logo and replace it with the new logo image Sharondrevdondes (talk) 20:58, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * What is the name of the article? --Cameron Scott (talk) 21:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I am guessing it's . – ukexpat (talk) 21:07, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Harvard citation link
In this article I am preparing in my sandbox, I cannot manage to get a harvnb link to work correctly and would appreciate help with it (feel free to edit in that sandbox article). I would like to have the harvnb in note 14 ("For an ukiyo-e reproduction of the painting see Murasaki Shikibu Nikki Emaki n.d., pp. 12–14.") correctly link to the first entry in the bibliography ("紫式部日記絵巻 [Murasaki Shikibu Nikki Emaki]. publisher unknown. publication year unknown. Retrieved 2011-12-01.") Thanks. bamse (talk) 23:15, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

The anchor in the citation is automatically created from author-date. There is no date, so create the anchor manually with ref, copy the harvnb and chang eit to harvid. Installing User:Ucucha/HarvErrors will show these types of errors. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 23:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's what I thought I did, but just realized that I typed  instead of  . PS: You added the harvid to the second bibliography entry instead of the first, but everything is fine now. bamse (talk) 07:53, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Reference not found
Macnab (2004) outlined some general objectives for family life and sex education" is contained in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_education

There are a million different references at the bottom but not the one listed in the article. The problem is that I can not find who is Macnab. This is a reference in the paragraph but at the end of the article there is nothing about this Macnab. I want to know who he is and where to find him. This is for a reference for an essay. Thank you for quality control. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.217.34 (talk) 23:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I see that User:Rehevkor has exercised some quality control and removed that unsourced matter from the article. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. (I guess you're going to have to look at some of the other references for your essay). --ColinFine (talk) 00:06, 2 December 2011 (UTC)