Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 December 20

= December 20 =

United States Youth Volleyball League
Why do you have AYSO, Little League, but you keep deleting USYVL? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.80.56.210 (talk) 00:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The United States Youth Volleyball League article had zero references. The Little League Baseball is richly referenced. The American Youth Soccer Organization wouldn't be a good model. While it exists, it has multiple problems, and if not addressed, it may go away. There's more to it than that, but the United States Youth Volleyball League article is a long way from being acceptable. -- SPhilbrick  (Talk)  00:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

A problematic move
An editor moved Thai basil to Asian basil because "Asian is more neutral". The vast majority of references to this plant call it Thai basil (1,330,000 ghits as compared to 71,000 for Asian basil). Thai basil has been here since 2005. As far as I'm aware, there has never been a discussion about moving it until this move was done. WP:Bold aside, this was not an appropriate move. Would an admin revert it, please? A suggested RM would probably be in order thereafter. I'd be happy to make the suggestion to the editor who did the move unless someone else prefers to do so. Waitak (talk) 04:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Going against WP:COMMONNAME like this is clearly a contentious move, so I reverted it and left a note on the editor's talk page suggesting following WP:RM. --Born2cycle (talk) 04:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The livelys
Why does Blake lively's father and her half sister robyn lively's father have the same last name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.35.218 (talk) 08:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You would have found the answer at Ernie Lively. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

regarding ghassan rahbani biography
hello, i ghassan rahbani. i tried so many times to update the biography in wikipedia with my official biography from my official website www.gassanrahbani.com but each time it get deleted and replaced by the old one. so what to do and how to make my official biography replace the old one permanently thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gassanrah (talk • contribs) 12:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. Our guidelines for biographies of living people are quite strict, and require adequate third-party sourcing. Since your website is a primary source, its content is not suitable for inculsion on Wikipedia. In addition, you should read WP:Autobiography for an explanation of why we rarely accept biographical details supplied by the subject.
 * Furthemore, unless your website is published under a Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License, you would need to follow the instructions at Donating copyrighted materials in order for its text to be included. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 12:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Link on top of every Wikipedia Page Asking Users to Read Personal Appeal from Author of Many Wikipedia Articles Does not Work
If I try clicking on the link referenced in the subject of this question, nothing happens. I remain on the page. If I right click and choose open in new tab or new window, same thing happens - just takes me to the wikipedia entry I was viewing. Seems a bit pointless, if you ask me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.190.196.78 (talk) 13:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your interest in donating. I don't know what went wrong for your browser. It works for me. Here is a direct link to the general donation page: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate. Does that work? If you still have problems then you can mail problemsdonating@wikimedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There are messages from different editors. If you saw "Please read: A personal appeal from an author of 2,463 Wikipedia articles" then here is a link for that: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/L11_1028_US3_Alan/en/US. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Mistake in my email address
I just realized I made a mistake in submitting my email address. I submitted [redacted to protect privacy]. It is actually [redacted]. Please correct this immediately. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike993 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The email adress for your account is set at Special:Preferences. Others cannot see it or set it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Help me
How to upload(copy) the free licenced images from Wikipedia commons to other projects for the project epecific edit and reuse scope — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yjenith (talk • contribs) 13:42, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If an image is at Wikimedia commons then it can be used by all the language-specific Wikipedias; it doesn't need to be moved or copied. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * New users sometimes confuse Wikipedia ("p" in the middle and cannot have "Commons" at the end) with Wikimedia Commons ("m" instead of "p"). Images uploaded to a Wikipedia language can only be used at that Wikipedia language. Some images have licenses which don't allow upload to Wikimedia Commons. Where is the image? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The commons image is here. Actually I want the crop copy of it and use it in other wiki project, so I thought I make a copy to en.wikipedia and use my own copy with cropped version without disturbing the original file in commons repository. Is it possible?-- Jenith  (talk) 01:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You can make a cropped version and upload it with a new name, for example "Me and Rajini cropped.jpg", as long as you satisfy the license. If the original is at Commons then I recommend to also upload the cropped version there. Do not overwrite the original file name with a cropped version. commons:Template:Extracted from can be used to attribute the original. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the proper and valuable info-- Jenith  (talk) 09:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Article Review
Hello, Would an editor be kind enough to review my article User:Rogeredwin/Al Karim (Actor). Please let me have your comments and whether this draft is ready to go live. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rogeredwin (talk • contribs) 15:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * See above at - the comments there still apply re additional sources and the copyright status of the image. – ukexpat (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Where to buy CD-ROM copy of Wikipedia?
From the discussion, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Fundraising:_Wikipedia-Loaded_Hard_Drives, editor: History2007 suggests asking here to find out where one can buy a CD-ROM copy of Wikipedia. You might want to reply in that discussion forum so the information is available to everyone discussing that particular fundraising idea. Thanks. LadyJosie (talk) 15:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You'll see some information regarding the efforts to produce various versions on CD at Version 1.0 Editorial Team. The latest version appears to be Version 0.8. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

how do I include a chart from powerpoint and word tables?.
When I copy charts and tables into the article I am editing, Powerpoint chart does not paste, and word tables lose formatting. What can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariapolski (talk • contribs) 16:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It isn't possible to paste from those formats into Wikipedia. See Help:Wiki markup for help with Wiki markup generally, and Help:Table for table formatting. – ukexpat (talk) 16:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Tools mentions several Word tools but I haven't tried them. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:36, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Powerpoint has an option to save graphics as a jpeg. Just right click and save as picture.  then you can upload that.  I have done this often.TCO (talk) 04:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

New User Needs feedback on First Article
Hi, Can someone please provide feedback on my first article? I'm new to Wikipedia and I'd like a little feedback prior to submitting for the first time.

User:Esther-pessin/Leukemia Research Foundation

Thanks Esther-pessin (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Linking
Is it kosher to have a wikilink that takes you to a different section within the same article? WP:LINK, which I quickly looked at, doesn't really address it except possibly "Do not link to a page that redirects to the page the link is on." The link is here at the phrase "continued his education". It's sort of helpful but could cause problems later if the article is changed and the link is impacted.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you may link to another section. The link you mention is actually constructed like this: . WP:LINK target linking to other pages that redirect back to the linking page as a whole. —  Edokter  ( talk ) — 22:21, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think it would be helpful to amend WP:LINK to say that linking to another section within an article is acceptable. Doesn't strike me as intuitive.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Problem with WCQL-FM article
To whom it may concern, My name is Darrin Anderson and I work for Regional Radio Group in Glens Falls New York. Our small cluster includes WCQL-FM Queensbury NY. We are still known as HITS 95.9, but our slogan has changed from "Your Music, Your Station" to "Your Music Station" We are no longer affiliated with Dial Global who owns the "Your Music, Your Station" slogan. Our owner was just informed that because the "Your Music, Your Station" still shows up on various websites, we are committing a copyright violation. Dial Global has fined our company and is threatening further legal action unless we fix this issue. I tried editing it myself, but I couldn't. Please, if you could correct this ASAP it would be much appreciated. Here is the link to your page about our station:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCQL

It is right in the info bar on the side, under the slogan. If you need further proof of this before you make the change, here is the link to our website for the station:

http://www.radiowins.com/wcql/INDEX.ASP

I cannot stress enough how important this matter is. We need this fixed as soon as you can. Thank you for your cooperation

Darrin Anderson Regional Radio Group, LLC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.143.198 (talk) 16:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * by another user User:Darigan in this edit. – ukexpat (talk) 17:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ;) Darigan (talk) 17:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

| format= in cite report
In Hurricane Debra (1959), should the usages of cite report use the | format= parameter for GIF images even though the reports were originally published in 1959? Thanks.  HurricaneFan 25  —  17:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think so. Looking at the ordering and indentation of the fields at Template:Cite report/doc, it's clear that the writer of the documentation intended "format" and "accessdate" to describe the "url" parameter. So if the URL is a GIF then you should say so. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Chzz whinging again
A personal appeal from Chzz

Seven out of 10 new articles are deleted. Every minute, a person edits wikipedia, and their work is rejected. Tick, tick tick...there goes another potential editor.

Hi, helpdeskers. Please please help with articles for creation. I'm begging here.

This morning, at about 6AM, there were about 350 AFC's. I dealt with those plus the new ones, and got the backlog reduced to zero. That's good, because when there are so few, users get timely feedback - and that makes a huge difference. But, it's creeping back up...

AFC is easy; If the article isn't likely to be be deleted - make it live. Just move it, and tidy it up.

If it's not good enough but could be fixed - fix it, or tell 'em what is needed.

If it's unacceptable, edit the page and add a letter "d". Change  to   - that's it. And please tell the creator why.

Of course, more help to the new user would be great, but, that's the essence of it. Please help out. Thanks!  Chzz  ► 18:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd be glad to give this a shot. I'm not very confident but will work my through the ones I can easily deal with when I have time. Яehevkor ✉ 01:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

using content
Can I use the content that I find on Wikipedia on my site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.172.121.216 (talk) 18:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * See Reusing Wikipedia content-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  18:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Feedback on draft page
I published a page on the Bourne Society that was promptly deleted because of copyright infringement. Quoting the log message: "20:23, 19 December 2011 Fastily (talk | contribs) deleted "Bourne Society" ‎ (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.bournesociety.org.uk/bournesoc/about-us.html)"

I understand why the deletion was made so have now recreated the page afresh in my user space (User:Inspeximus/Bourne Society) doing my utmost to avoid any copyright infringement and my best to adhere generally to other guidance on first article creation.

I would now like to have your feedback on the draft - I see that the standard "Requests for Feedback" process is now inactive so am submitting it here for review.

Inspeximus (talk) 21:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * My initial view is that the references that you have cited do not demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please take a look at WP:ORG and WP:RS for guidance on notability and the kind of sources that are required to show it. – ukexpat (talk) 21:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The page does not comply with some guidelines in spots, including: WP:CAPS, WP:LOWERCASE, WP:MOSHEAD, WP:LEAD, and WP:REFPUNCT. Specifically:
 * A reference should generally come after any punctuation, without any intervening space or hard returns.
 * Section headings should follow the same letter case convention as article titles (second and following words should begin with lowercase characters except when they would normally be capitalized; e.g. Other Publications should be Other publications).
 * In the lead section, bold the first instance of the page title that appears in a sentence. Do not repeat the title separately as a pseudo-title followed by an ellipsis.
 * Don't type the name in all caps (THE BOURNE SOCIETY) in context unless that is how it would always appear.
 * I agree that the references might not establish the notability of the subject, and a does not produce many high-ranked results that might meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources that are independent of the subject. You could help by persuading some journalists to write about the society in their publications.
 * Also read WP:LAYOUT carefully. That's one of the most important guideline pages when you're writing a new article from scratch. --Teratornis (talk) 22:05, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you both for your advice - which I believe I had now taken on board via further edits to the draft article. I now realise that I have a potential COI so have put a "Declaration of Interest" statement on both my user page and on the talk page of the article itself. Should I now seek further independent review of the article via WP:Editor_assistance or just submit to WP:Articles_for_creation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inspeximus (talk • contribs) 16:31, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Article reviewed by a WP:EAR collaborator. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:49, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Creative Commons License
Is the text from here available under a Creative Commons License? How do I confirm that? Scottdrink (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Under current law, since they don't explictly say that it is available, we have to assume that it's fully under copyright. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Can't find a single word about copyright/licensing of their content, but their help page does link to our image use policy. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 22:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This says that it is a "Wiki-based Boxing Encyclopaedia". Doesn't that mean it is Creative Commons? Scottdrink (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Not all wikis license their content under the Creative Commons license.--Hallows AG (talk) 00:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

SPER
Edit requests: Talk:7aum Arivu, Talk:Buddhism , (Talk:Firefox - done) , Talk:Guild Wars 2 , Talk:Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary , (Talk:Human anus - done) , Talk:Jamaica , (Talk:Jesse James - done) , Talk:Julian calendar , Talk:Juliano Mer-Khamis , Talk:Justine Ezarik , (Talk:Karna - done) , (Talk:Lady and the Tramp - done) , (Talk:List of cities by time of continuous habitation - done} , Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters , Talk:Mac OS X , (Talk:Major League Gaming - done) , Talk:Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf , (Talk:Pauly Shore - done) , (Talk:Pinsent Masons - done) , Talk:Property (philosophy) , Talk:Ra.One , (Talk:Racism - done) , (Talk:Rahul Dravid - done) , (Talk:Rape - done) , (Talk:Romani people - done) , Talk:Shahrukh Khan , (Talk:Silambarasan Rajendar - done) , (Talk:Steel - done) , (Talk:Stephen M. Schwebel - done) , Talk:Take Care , (Talk:The Fallibroome Academy - done) , (Talk:The Sims 3 - done) , (Talk:Toronto - done) , Talk:Vasco da Gama , (Talk:Virus - done) , Talk:VRML , (Talk:Walmart - done) , (Talk:Walt Disney - done)

Apols, but please try and help with those. Ta.  Chzz  ► 18:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Highbeam
Does Wikipedia offer any access to archive libraries such as Highbeam or Questia? Or are there any editors who have access to them who could help out with sources - perhaps copy the relevant text to help someone else to add the information to an article? Rain the One  BAM 22:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If you know what source you need, the Wikipedians at WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request are usually willing to supply you with a copy. Deor (talk) 23:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for your quick reply Deor. Extremely helpful. :) Rain the One  BAM 23:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

where do you go to get an addon to see changes easier for the watchlist?
where do you go to get an addon to see changes easier for the watchlist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thingstofollow (talk • contribs) 23:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the display of diffs?
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

To-do list
To-do list

Hi - is there any way to collapse these to do lists as they can get a bit long and occasionally imo a bit obtrusive. Youreallycan (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If you mean for everybody viewing a given page then the documentation at Template:To do says . PrimeHunter (talk) 23:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, tch, why couldn't I see that. - Many thanks - Youreallycan (talk) 00:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Note about Kansas city Kansas being a suburb of Kansas city missouri
Greeting s I would like to bring something to your attention about the City of Kansas City Kansas and your wiki site saying that it is a suburb of Kansas City Missouri, That is incorrect they are two different cities in two different States As a resident of Kansas City Kansas I take pride that i am not a resident of Kansas City Missouri because they have no clue on how to run a government or even their school district and Also They are Located in Missouri and we are located in Kansas so we have two different types of government and Definitely two different kinds of school districts please correct this gross misjustice of calling Kansas city Kansas a suburb of kansas city missouri as we are not and never will be a suburb of Kansas city MISSOURI we are Kansans not missourians so please correct that thank you very much Sincerely David E Stacy Kansas City Kansas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.156.28.27 (talk) 23:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like your opinion to me. Webster's Dictionary defines a suburb as "a smaller community adjacent to or within commuting distance of a city" which fits perfectly. And what does your state have to do with anything? There are several major border cities with suburbs in 1 or more different states. C T J F 8 3  00:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Whatever the merits of the change David Stacy wants making, the place to discuss it is at Talk:Kansas City, Kansas, not here. --ColinFine (talk) 00:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * See Kansas census statistical areas, which shows you that Kansas City, Missouri is considered the primary core city of the metro area. Many US metro areas extend across state lines; see a relevant map.  Nyttend (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)