Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 December 27

= December 27 =

Citing a track on an album?
What Cite xxx template would be the best one to use to cite a track on an album? - Purplewowies (talk) 00:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That depends. For what purpose are you trying to cite a track on an album?  As in what album, what track, and why are you trying to cite it?  -- Jayron  32  00:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I was told in this peer review for Dylan and Cole Sprouse that there were no citations for the filmography and discography sections, so I set out to source them. I wanted to source the first entry in the discography ("A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes" on Disneymania 4) using this site (archived here) as well as my copy of the album. - Purplewowies (talk) 00:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Cite video is used for audio and video sources. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 02:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. :) - Purplewowies (talk) 05:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Racism in India Article
The racism in india article is not synchronized with the Ethnic relations in India article. They're basically the same article. This article is not updated to reflect the new edit. Can somebody fix this problem? Sonic99 (talk) 02:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Racism in India is a redirect to Ethnic relations in India. They should show the same and do for me, but sometimes an old version of a redirect has been cached somewhere. This can be detected by having different times at "This page was last modified on ..." at the bottom of the window. You can try to bypass your cache or purge the redirect to fix this. Logged out users are more likely to see an old version of a redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

no index code
How do I add no index code (for my user sandbox pages)? TCO (talk) 02:32, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * . User sandbox adds it by default. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I want to add it to all my userpages. Not sure what you mean by default.  And where do I put it on the page?TCO (talk) 02:40, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Anywhere, but usually at the top. See also Category:Wikipedia templates which apply NOINDEX. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 02:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You have to add it to each page.  can be placed anywhere on the page (except inside nowiki tags and similar where it's inactive). NOINDEX can be used instead of  . Some users mark their sandboxes with User sandbox but this is optional. It's usually placed at the top. The documentation at User sandbox says:


 * noindex
 * Defaults to, avoids listing the sandbox on search engines
 * Default (computer science) says: "A default, in computer science, refers to a setting or value automatically assigned to a software application, computer program or device, outside of user intervention." Users of User sandbox can set  if they want to change the default. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.TCO (talk) 03:40, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

How to add new parameters to an infobox?
What is the method of adding new parameters to an infobox (i.e. ones that, if set, will appear on the infobox public interface)? The several template pages I visited and searches I conducted did not yield any results on how to do this. --81.100.44.233 (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Discuss on the infobox talk page. Most templates will be protected, and you won't be able to edit them without an account. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 02:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Infoboxes are a type of template. See Help:Template. Editing infoboxes can be tricky and some parameters may not be wanted by other editors. You can make a suggestion on the talk page of the infobox. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Update taking into account your advice: The infobox I tried seems to be editable by both non-registered users and registered users. Editing the template did seem to have an effect, but not an entirely expected one. After I changed a single letter in the parameter title, instances of the parameter using the former title were no longer publicly displayed, but on the other hand, instances of the parameter using the newer title were not publicly displayed either. Furthermore, in the template page itself, the old title rather than the new title was being publicly displayed, although in the template code the new title had indeed been saved. Does it take the database time to update across articles, or is it a case of something else that needs to be modified rather than just the code in the visible template page? --81.100.44.233 (talk) 03:15, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Like I said, it can be tricky. I don't think you are ready to edit infoboxes. It can suddenly break a lot of existing articles. Your edit changed
 * into
 * The former meant that Infobox US university ranking/National was called with the parameter ARWU_NU set to whatever ARWU_NU was set to in the article using Infobox US university ranking. You changed both occurrences of ARWU_NU to ARWU_N, but Infobox US university ranking/National has no parameter called ARWU_N so it ignored the setting. The green box at Infobox US university ranking transcludes Template:Infobox US university ranking/doc which must be edited manually to document new parameter names. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The former meant that Infobox US university ranking/National was called with the parameter ARWU_NU set to whatever ARWU_NU was set to in the article using Infobox US university ranking. You changed both occurrences of ARWU_NU to ARWU_N, but Infobox US university ranking/National has no parameter called ARWU_N so it ignored the setting. The green box at Infobox US university ranking transcludes Template:Infobox US university ranking/doc which must be edited manually to document new parameter names. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The former meant that Infobox US university ranking/National was called with the parameter ARWU_NU set to whatever ARWU_NU was set to in the article using Infobox US university ranking. You changed both occurrences of ARWU_NU to ARWU_N, but Infobox US university ranking/National has no parameter called ARWU_N so it ignored the setting. The green box at Infobox US university ranking transcludes Template:Infobox US university ranking/doc which must be edited manually to document new parameter names. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw this IP's post at Help talk:Infobox and have edited Infobox US university ranking to accept both the old name and the new name - see Template talk:Infobox US university ranking. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the explanation, and the template change. It looks like that has fixed up a lot of articles. Appreciated! --81.100.44.233 (talk) 09:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

semi requests and coi. help!
Sorry, but, this is getting backlogged; and I know we could just redirect these systems here - like we did when WP:FEED failed. So, am asking for help; before we give up and just send 'em here anyway.


 * 8 COI edit requests: Talk:Alan Carr, Talk:Ellen DeGeneres , Talk:Neil Patrick Harris , Talk:Nyhus Communications , Template talk:Pakistan Administrative Units Image Map , Talk:Perez Hilton , Talk:Scott Mills , Talk:TripAdvisor


 * 50 semi-protected edit requests: Talk:2011, Talk:2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup , Talk:21 (Adele album) , Talk:Adam's Bridge , Talk:Adele (singer) , Talk:Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chipwrecked , Talk:Art , Talk:Babe Ruth , Talk:Born This Way , Talk:Buddhism , Talk:Christian , Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo , Talk:David Rockefeller , Talk:Don 2: The King is Back , Talk:Eazy-E , Talk:Escape the Fate , Talk:Franklin D. Roosevelt , Talk:Great Wall of China , Talk:Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary , Talk:India , Talk:Jamaica , Talk:Juliano Mer-Khamis , Talk:Justine Ezarik , Talk:Korean War , Talk:List of cities by time of continuous habitation , Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters , Talk:List of highest-grossing Bollywood films , Talk:List of Royal College Colombo alumni , Talk:List of serial killers by number of victims , Talk:Manchester United F.C. , Talk:Margaret Thatcher , Talk:Nigeria , Talk:Noam Chomsky , Talk:Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf , Talk:Property (philosophy) , Talk:Ra.One , Talk:Racism , Talk:Shahrukh Khan , Talk:Skittles (confectionery) , Talk:Sunny Leone , Talk:Take Care , Talk:The Adventures of Tintin (film) , Talk:The Twelve Days of Christmas (song) , Talk:TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs (2011) , Talk:Tupac Shakur , Talk:Vladimir Putin , Talk:VRML , Talk:Waka Flocka Flame , Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Tobacco-Stained Mountain Goat , Wikipedia talk:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia/Intro

Maybe it's just a backlog we cannot fix, and should be redirected here; I don't know. Would that be better, to serve new users? I'm not trying to ask in the wrong place; it's just that the people above are seeking help, and waiting for a very long time.  Chzz  ► 02:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This is an ongoing problem. Category:Wikipedia semi-protected edit requests backlogs all the time, often with requests that are well over a week old. Ultimately many requests receive only flippant responses.  I think these categories need more awareness among Wikipedians – heck, I didn't even know the oddly-named Category:Requested edits existed.  Maybe an article in the Signpost?  More prominence in Community portal?  Something analogous to wdefcon to alert willing editors when these need more attention? Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 13:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Plus, it isn't easy. I addressed one, and arguably didn't address it fully, and it took me almost three hours. Some inefficiency on my part, but still, took a long time to track down whether the request should be granted.-- SPhilbrick  (Talk)  14:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's an idea. There's a bot monitoring the category and rewriting the page User:AnomieBOT/SPERTable which gets transcluded in various places. How about the bot also checking the wikiprojects on each talk page, and updating additional pages such as User:AnomieBOT/SPERTable/WikiProject Food and drink? Then these could be transcluded into the wikiproject pages, transcluded or watchlisted by interested editors, and so on. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:15, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Email Notification / Suggestions
1) Is there any way to "subscribe" to an article or discussion page in the sense that I can receive immediate email notifications whenever a change is made? I'm not referring to an indirect method such as the Atom Feed. 2) If that is not possible, where would be the best place to throw in a suggestion to implement that feature? < 81.100.44.233 (talk) 03:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Logged in users have a watchlist which shows updates to pages they choose to watch. There is a RSS feed of that watchlist available. Mediawiki has a feature that can be enabled to send users an email any time a page on their watchlist is updated, but this feature is disabled on Wikipedia due to load issues (there would be too many emails). The exception is that you can enable email notifications for your user talk page. Prodego  talk  03:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The email feature for watched pages is disabled in the English Wikipedia (see Help:Watching pages) but enabled in many other Wikipedia languages. I have actually thought about suggesting to enable it at the English Wikipedia with measures to reduce the number of emails. For example requiring periodic reconfirmation that a user still wants emails, and if a user is judged to get too many mails then automatically switch to a daily digest, or tell the user that emails will be disabled until they reduce their watchlist. I log in daily and would personally not use the email feature but many others have asked for it. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:20, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hm, that's unfortunate. If anyone has any recommendations for a free instant email notification method for tracking English Wikipedia article changes, possibly tying in with the RSS feed feature, please comment. At the time of writing, of the free email notification services I've found that tied in with the Atom Feed, they were all intermittent (e.g. daily digests, etc.). --81.100.44.233 (talk) 04:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, what about attempting to alleviate load issues by (i) limiting the number of articles each user can subscribe to for email notifications, and/or (ii) preventing immediate email notifications for very often-edited articles (inform the user if this is the case though)? With certain measures in place, I doubt load issues should be too prevalent. --81.100.44.233 (talk) 04:51, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Invalid information on the Simon Racine article
The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Racine contains invalid information since it says on the first line that "He is the current councillor for the Limbour District in the Gatineau sector". Nicole Champagne is the current councillor since 2009. The article itself, on the last line, is contradicting the first line by saying "Racine announced he would not seek re-election in the 2009 municipal elections". I think the best proof that this information is invalid can be found on the city of Gatineau web site: http://www.gatineau.ca/page.asp?p=la_ville/conseil_municipal/nicole_champagne where it is clear that Nicole Champagne is the current councillor.

By the way, on the first line of this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Racine it also says that "Simon Racine is a Quebec politician..." which is also not true since he does not hold any elected position at any of the government levels in Canada. It should be replaced by "Simon Racine WAS a Quebec politician...". Even the rest of the statement is untrue since he also retired from teaching, so it should say "was" there as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleatoire (talk • contribs) 05:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You are free to fix the article yourself (see Be bold, which is one of the core policies of Wikipedia). If you are uncomfortable doing that, you need to make the above comments at the discussion page of the article itself.  Click "discussion" when you are viewing the article, or go to Talk:Simon Racine, and leave your concerns there.  -- Jayron  32  06:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've made a minor update to the article in case the OP feels that he/she has a conflict of interest. Further improvement is needed if anyone would like to do some research.    D b f i r s   07:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Ref tags
I really should know this, but I'm having trouble making multiple references to the same footnote here:. Can somebody help me figure out what I'm doing wrong? Kansan (talk) 06:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm new, so I don't see everything that's wrong. One thing I noticed is that you closed the first instance of the named reference "Combs" too soon, and in the second instance, you didn't add the trailing slash as required.  I fixed that, so the page isn't complaining about reference 10 anymore.  See Referencing for beginners: the section near the end on "Same reference used more than once" might point you in the right direction for the other references.  RudolfRed (talk) 07:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That takes care of everything. Thanks for the help. Kansan (talk) 08:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Editing Danny Cadamarteri
replaced
 * For guidance in uploading a picture, see Help:Upload. To edit a football player's height we need the information to have been published in a reliable source; your own personal knowledge is not enough. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * For guidance in uploading a picture, see Help:Upload. To edit a football player's height we need the information to have been published in a reliable source; your own personal knowledge is not enough. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Help against vandalism
Hi. This is, I would say, vandalism. Please report it on the appropriate place, as I have absolutely no idea where and how to report it. Thanks. --Thogo 09:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have posted a message to . That last edit seems out of character, given the good work that was done before. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks, I didn't check the other contributions. Ok, then. Probably some bored kid on a parent's computer... ^^ Oh, and maybe y'all could start an initiative to take municipality and county articles onto your watchlists (also the larger cities!). I've skimmed a lot of such articles in the last weeks and encountered lots of old and new vandalism and other inappropriate edits (some were up to 4 years old and really obvious). These articles seem largely unattended, but are of course always "good" targets of vandals. Best regards --Thogo 10:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

RFC
There's an RFC about WP:MOS & WP:SUMMARY of the content at Talk:Pakistan studies which needs comments, which (active) noticeboard would be appropriate for posting that to get comments since the RFC is not getting much comments. Another RFC is about a merger at Talk:Indophobia I want to know where to list that so as to get neutral comments from unrelated editors. Thanks. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:AN is sometimes used for this purpose.-- SPhilbrick  (Talk)  13:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't that for closure? (My aim is to get more comments) --lTopGunl (talk) 13:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

We Would like to Donate -- Please read
Hello Wiki,

I belong to India, Like me there are so many people Outside US and canada , who want to donate to wikipedia, But our Indian Master Card is not accepting by Your Server, Please resolve this issue, please make one System so that we Outside US and canada citizens will be able to donate to Wikipedia -- Well Wikipedia is doing a good Job, We all Appreciate.

Thanks Prashant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.201.224.99 (talk) 13:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The donation page, fundraising, has a link to other ways to give. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed your email address to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Pat Morley (football player)
Hi, Pat Morley would like to have his page removed as the information on there is false.

He will be seeking legal advice from his solicitor in regards to this site and will be seeking compensation as well.

Remove it immediately, as he does not want to have this on your site.

I removed it this morning, you put it back on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Morley_%28footballer%29

Ricardi [email removed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.16.146 (talk) 15:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above user has been blocked per WP:NLT. -- Jayron  32  15:49, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have removed the dubious negative claim you started out removing before you blanked the whole article. Article subjects cannot control whether they have a Wikipedia biography, but if they are borderline notable per Notability (people) then a request of deletion can be considered among other factors. See Deletion policy for ways to request deletion if you withdraw the legal threat. If you uphold it then the message at User talk:176.61.16.146 has an email address you can use instead of public discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Also note that the person has also used User:Redoulus which made the same threat and got the same block. If the user retracts their threat, they may be allowed to work with Wikipedia again.  -- Jayron  32  16:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Creating articles
This may seem obvious but I have a very basic question. I've been an article creator here for several months, and have successfully used the two processes presented for new editors:sandbox and the New Article Wizard. However, the instructions indicate that an editor may start a new article from the Userpage, but I don't know the process. Could someone please explain this to me? Thank you in advance.Mlane (talk) 15:41, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * On your userpage, create a link with a slash as the first character, like this: /sandbox . Save your userpage.  Click the link, and create THAT page.  You have now just created the page User:Mlane78212/sandbox.  When you are ready to make your draft an article, use the move function to move it to the articlespace.  -- Jayron  32  15:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response.Mlane (talk) 15:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If you are the only contributor to a page then you can choose to copy-paste the contents instead of moving the page. If there are other contributors then moving the page will keep the page history to give them attribution per license requirements. Step 6 in the article wizard has an option to start a userspace draft instead of a mainspace article.
 * You can see more about user subpages at User pages. They can be named anything and you can create multiple subpages. The bottom of your contributions page has a link "Subpages" to show all user subpages: Special:PrefixIndex/User:Mlane78212/. Redirects are in italics so perhaps you already used the draft option in the wizard and later moved to mainspace. The only difference between using the wizard and creating the subpage manually is that the wizard starts the page with a little generic content and some instructions displayed above. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:34, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarity PrimeHunter. I'm the only contributor in creating the articles I am planning. I have used the cut and paste from Microsoft Word in the past, but have found it difficult to keep track of my citations and decided to write directly in Wikipedia the next time.Mlane (talk) 16:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

English Search engines inability to find accented French words
Is there a way to title English Wikipedia articles with French accented words without making the words invisable to English search engines? Écouché is such an article. Google searches seem to miss it. Thank you in advance.Mlane (talk) 15:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The english wikipedia article Écouché is the first hit that google returns when I tried it a few moments ago. MilborneOne (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * For me, the French Wikipedia article fr:Écouché is the first Google hit on "Écouché", and the English article Écouché is the second. I'm in Denmark. People with an IP address from an English speaking country may get more English results. If I search on "Ecouche" then I don't get the article but two other Wikipedia pages are in the first 20 hits. Google usually only gives two results from each domain when the whole web is search. The Google search gives the article as the fourth hit for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:17, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for quick answers, as I wasn't very clear in my explanation of the issue. Like you PrimeHunter I'm getting no Wikipedia article hits here in France, if I don't use the accents i.e. Ecouche as opposed to Écouché. A search with the accents ,Écouché, finds it as expected.


 * The two Wikicommons hits are images I donated where I omitted the accents. That is how I realized the problem.


 * I didn't know about the IP address issue.


 * My concern is that most English keyboards don't have the accents readily available, and native English speakers will forget them anyway. In an earlier article I wrote I noticed that the word Chateau was given the necessary "â" but that may be automatically provided by a wiki-dictionary of high use foreign words. Proper nouns like small village names, as this one is, may be hard to find on Wikipedia.


 * I fear that it may be necessary to request an administrator to remove the accents.Mlane (talk) 16:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Here in the UK, I get different search results with "Écouché" and "Ecouche". I am not at all surprised by this behaviour.  If you want the correct search results, you have to spell your search term correctly.  Changing the titles of Wikipedia articles to misspellings, just to suit the whims of English visitors who find it too much trouble to input the accents, is not the way I think an encyclopedia should work.  Astronaut (talk) 17:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * There is a redirect on Ecouche as suggested by Article titles. The Google search shows (at least to me) that Google can find the article but just gives it lower search result placement than some pages with "Ecouche" in the name. It's unfortunate if the article is not among the two results Google will display from wikipedia.org in a normal web search, but we shouldn't choose page names for search engine optimization. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Redirect problem
This link, In Search of..., goes to a disambig page. Then, if you click on In Search Of... (TV series), it goes to an article that is actually entitled "In Search of..." But it gets there through a redirect. It seems to me this should be reorganized so the Wikipedia title for the TV series is "In Search of... (TV series)". Wouldn't that make more sense?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * More precisely, In Search Of... (TV series) redirects to In Search of… where "…" is a single ellipsis character and not three periods. In Search of... with three periods redirects to the disambig page In Search Of..., also with three periods but with other capitalization. I agree it's problematic. The ellipsis character probably shouldn't be used in page names. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Definitely not if normal characters are available. I've cleaned up the mess. The title for In Search of… (with ellipsis) was clearly ambiguous; it now redirects to the disambiguation page. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 18:16, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

That looks much better, thanks for figuring it out and fixing it.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Paula Ann Bland
someone has been putting scandalous, libelous remarks on my wiki page. I want every edit that was published on Dec 22nd 2011 to be permanently removed. I have reported this to the police — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petertriplett (talk • contribs) 17:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This account has been blocked for making legal threats; but Edokter has (very appropriately) redacted a couple of edits which did pose genuine problems of potential libel. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Colorblind
The question that i am asking goes like this. I work in a manufacturing facility where we use quiet a few different colors. We have some people that work at the facility that are color blind. Is their some kind of device that these members could use and it will tell them the right color.If you know of anyone who might can help me let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.46.60.129 (talk) 18:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The better place to ask this question is at Reference desk/Science. -- Jayron  32  18:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Zoe Balcescu painting stolen
Hi ,

I have uploaded a picture of my great great grandmother Zoe Balcescu.The painting has been stolen on 22nd of August 2011 reported to the Sectia 3 Politie Bucharest Romania(Police Section No. 3,Bucharest) .I would like to modify at the said picture which I uploaded this information.How is it possible to do that?Aristiderazu (talk) 18:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Aristiderazu


 * Do you mean this painting? I see you already added a note to the image information in Commons about this, but I think you added it to the wrong place. I have fixed it for you.  I have also corrected the incorrect claim that you are the 'author' (ie. artist) of the painting - according to the information already supplied, the artist is Costin Petrescu.  Presumably, you are the 'author' only of the photograph that you uploaded?  Astronaut (talk) 00:56, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes I am the owner,(is my (gggrandmother )Zoe Mandrea born Balcescu,also known as Zoe Balcescu, of the painting and yes I took the photograph and uploaded.And yes the painting is reported stolen by me in 22nd of August 2011. ThanksAristiderazu (talk) 21:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)Aristiderazu
 * Owning the painting gives you no special copyrights in that painting. The copyright resides in the original artist who created the painting. A photograph of that painting is what lawyers call a "derivative work" and does not give you any special rights to publish that picture if the painting is still under copyright. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

So to make a clear ideea ,you are saying that although my gggrandmother hired the painter ,payed him for the painting,the painting belongs to the painter,hence not to Zoe Mandrea Balcescu Zoe Balcescu but to Costin Petrescu.How interesting.Aristiderazu (talk) 23:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)Aristiderazu
 * You are the owner of the actual painting but the rights to make copies and to make money from the copies belongs to the painter (unless it was specifically negotiated) until copyright runs out. In Romania (50 years after author's death if died before 1946; 70 years for more recent), the copyright seems likely to have expired but you would need to know the death date of the author and possibly other facts. By the way, Costin Petrescu is probably not the one you linked to (a modern musician). Rmhermen (talk) 00:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If this is correct: "Costin Petrescu (1872-1954)" then the painting would still be copyright until 2024. Rmhermen (talk) 00:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Even if you payed for the painting the painter, and it is family painting by representing a person in your family? ;would it still be under copyright law? That would mean you are not the owner of the painting.Aristiderazu (talk) 17:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC) Aristiderazu

Aristide Razu  32nd "Mircea Voda " Regiment (Defending Marasesti Train Station)-copyright problems
Hi, In the article about Aristide Razu, which I created there was also a picture with 32nd "Mircea Voda" Regiment ,which is family property.The picture has been deleted from the article under the pretext that it is from a book. Well, the picture has been received in an album as a gift by my great grand father general Aristide Razu from the Regiment itself in 1917.My name is Andrei-Radu Georgescu, if verification is needed for both matters ,Zoe Balcescu and 32nd "Mircea Voda" Regiment please contact me to clarify the matters. I would like to see that picture back on Aristide Razu article .Many thanks. Pongo is 5:30 .My coat !Aristiderazu (talk) 18:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC) Aristiderazu
 * I cannot find any edit summary that talks about removing an image because it is in a book: please clarify which removal you mean. I suspect that you are referring to one of the external links which were removed: the rules on external links are quite restrictive, and it is rarely appropriate to link to an external image. If you have a picture which genuinely illustrates the subject, and either you own the copyright or the picture is in the public domain, the best thing to do would be to upload the picture to Commons with a suitable declaration or licence, and then use the image in the article: see WP:IMAGE.
 * On the subject of verification, you have been directed several times to the Wikipedia policy on original research. If a fact can be verified only by contacting you then it may not be included in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 23:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The image in question, File:The Battle of Marasesti-191732nd Mircea Voda Regiment of the 5th Romanian I0nfantry Division defending Marasesti Train Station during .jpg was deleted from Commons a year ago because "No source since 25 September 2010". When you upload images (even old ones from your family photo collection), you need to provide information such as author, the source, and permission to use it.  Without this information, the suspicion is that you have copied a copyrighted work from somewhere - basically, no one cannot just upload images found on the internet and claim them as their own.
 * So, if you took a photograph of a painting of your great, great grandmother, you need to say this, say who the artists is, and state the permission (that could be public domain if the artist died before 1942, but maybe the artist's estate stilhttp://www.panoramio.com/photo/60392953l owns the rights to his work - you need to check)
 * ...and if you scanned a photo album presented to your great grandfather by his troops, you need to say this, say who the original photographer is, and provide a permission. Astronaut (talk) 01:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi there,this is the image wich I uploaded and has vanished. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/60392948 this is the album first page http://www.panoramio.com/photo/60392848 ;this is another page of the same album http://www.panoramio.com/photo/60392953 which I repeated time and time again that it is my g grandfather Aristide Razu Album received from the Regiment itself when he Commanded the 5th Romanian Infantry Division/32nd "Mircea Voda" Regiment-1917.Also the other image you have ,however left in the article is from 1928, when he was Commander,Inspector, General of Division of The Geniu/Engineers Regiment ;also a family album since it was received as a gift from the Regiment /Transmissions Regiment. In the article about Aristide Razu I have also included the picture which apparently disappeared after a while.I'm sure things would work out for the best .Now I see the discussion moved from uploading to copying,i.e. you slightly imply that I am a " person who "copy mm" .All images I have uploaded are taken by my camera ,or scanner(camera) .There was this old definition of picture being a document.Maybe not anymore.Aristiderazu (talk) 22:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC)Aristiderazu
 * Owning these photographs gives you no special copyrights in them. The copyright resides in the original photographers who took the pictures. A scan of a photograph is what lawyers call a "derivative work" and does not give you any special rights to publish that scan if the photograph is still under copyright. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:18, 28

December 2011 (UTC)

Well I understand,this means that all photos I have uploaded, including the one with Captain Aristide Razu from the family /family photo album belongs to the photographer,although in that day he went to the pohtographer , payed for the picture , got a recipt .That is what you are saying in lawyer's terms.In this case it means all photos in the article should be deleted.Aristiderazu (talk) 23:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)Aristiderazu
 * It is complicated. If the date of death of the photographer can be found we can tell if the copyright has expired (70 years after the creator's death). Other circumstances may also affect the situation. A photograph from 1917 is considered public domain in the U.S. if it was published but not necessarily if it was unpublished. All of these could probably be used on English Wikipedia under fair use though. Rmhermen (talk) 01:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/64101607 First page of the album .It says Andrei-Radu Georgesc…, 0 minutes ago, said:

"THE OFFICERS AND THE TROOP OF 32ND "MIRCEA-VODA" OFFERS TO MISTER GENERAL RAZU ARISTIDE THIS ALBUM. AS SYMBOL OF DEEP GRATITUDE FOR THE MASTERING ,ENERGY AND LOVE WITH WHICH HE LED THEM IN FIGHT ,GIVING THEM THE OCCASION TO EARN A PLACE IN THE HISTORY OF NATION. COMMANDER REG. 32"MIRCEA-VODA" COLNEL: SIGNED;PENESCU

The cover of the album http://www.panoramio.com/photo/64101573 Aristiderazu (talk) 01:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC) Aristiderazu

Next Step on Promotional Name Skyangeltv?
User:Skyangeltv has only edited two articles: List of Sky Angel channels and Sky Angel. COI notice was given back in October. What's next?

How do I edit the title of my page?
How do I edit the title of my page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlangan26 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Use the Move option from the drop down on top of the page with "edit" and "view history". --lTopGunl (talk) 20:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Except that he isn't autoconfirmed yet, so he cannot move a page. He will need to go to Requested moves to request that the page be moved. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The "Move" button is below the down arrow between the watch link and the search box at the top of the article page. You won't, however, be able to move the article until your account is autoconfirmed, so I've moved the article for you. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * ... but you'll see that the article Barry Silbert has now been deleted as a copyright violation. David Biddulph (talk) 08:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Proper tag for an article or section that makes an assertion
The article Socratic questioning makes assertions that the Socratic questioning should be taught to students and sounds like a how-to. I am unsure that this NPOV so what tag should I use? --Melab±1 &#9742; 20:34, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Why not just fix it? — Bility (talk) 20:48, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Category question
What is putting The Challenge of Artemis and The Trial of Superman into Category:1995 in comics, when the category link isn't included in the article text? And also, why isn't The Challenge of Artemis alphabetised under C, even though I put a DEFAULTSORT tag into the article source text, alphabetising it as "Challenge of Artemis, the"? J I P &#124; Talk 20:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * puts the year category and sortkey can be used to change the category sorting. — Bility (talk) 20:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It shows up under "C" for me. RudolfRed (talk) 20:51, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah sorry, should have noted I did fix the Challenge of Artemis page. — Bility (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Add suicide prevention to the Suicide and Suicide Method's pages
I was reading an article on Reddit and in the course of reading it I realized that there is no suicide prevention whatsoever on the suicide and suicide methods page. Wikipedia is one of the most important sources of information to people, especially to the younger generations that are at the most risk for suicide, and I can almost guarantee you that someone has used the information on those pages to kill themselves. Now obviously I don't want Wikipedia to take down the pages, if they can't find it there they will find it somewhere else. Instead I think you could save thousands of lives over time by simply adding a click through page or maybe a big paragraph or two at the top that has links to suicide prevention hotlines, or suicide internet chats. Even if it just saves one life a year I think that would be worth the trivial amount of effort to do this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.140.96 (talk) 21:01, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Suicide displays Template:Suicide2 at the bottom. Suicide methods displays Template:Suicide at the top right. Both templates include a link to Suicide prevention which links to List of suicide prevention organizations. The information is there but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and information is organized by topic. Prevention is a subtopic of suicide so it also has a section at Suicide with a link to the main article. Prevention is not a subtopic of suicide methods. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

please update artical "nachman shay"
I am MK Nachman Shay's personnal assistant I would really appreciate it if you could be a little more professional and take my input seriously. I am appalled by your reply claiming my helpfull update to Wikipedia to be an act of vandalism. I look forward to you changing it. Respectfully, Ronnen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.101.80 (talk) 21:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Judging from the article's revision history, this appears to be about the spelling of his name, which has been discussed since 2010 at Talk:Nahman Shai. &mdash; Sebastian 22:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Since you have no other contributions from this IP, I don't know what you are referring to here (may be a biography of the person mentioned above?) See WP:COI, that will be some help. You may source the edit you want to make and use before requesting it at the article's talk page. An editor will review and add it. --lTopGunl (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

One-click unwatching from watchlist
Currently, when I want to remove an entry from my watchlist, the quickest way I'm aware of is: Is there any faster way? Ideally, I'd like there to be a link such as "unw" next to "diff|hist", which would require just one click I read instead of steps 1 through 7. Thanks, &mdash; Sebastian 21:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) hover over the article title
 * 2) wait till the context menu shows up
 * 3) hover over "actions" and let the submenu show up
 * 4) click on the tiny "un" in front of "watch"
 * 5) wait till the unwatch page is displayed in a new tab
 * 6) Click on "Yes" there
 * 7) Close the unwatch page
 * 8) refresh the watchlist

Actually, depending on the skin, a somewhat faster way may be to go through the article page. But I was using Vector, which doesn't have that button in the article display. &mdash; Sebastian 21:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * In Vector it's a star changing between white and blue when you click it. That's the intended method. Your detailed description is a feature in Tools/Navigation popups. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If you want to unwatch several articles or other pages at one time, the easiest way may be to click on the "View and edit watchlist" link under the "My watchlist" header at the top of your watchlist page. Then check the boxes in front of the items you want to unwatch and click the "Remove titles" button at the bottom of the page. Deor (talk) 22:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Add this script to your common.js.... (works even better with "enhanced recent changes" enabled and is good enough otherwise too):

// user:js/watchlist if (wgCanonicalSpecialPageName == 'Watchlist') importScript('user:js/watchlist.js');

That's 2 click unwatchlisting.. will that do? --lTopGunl (talk) 22:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent - thanks a lot! That's actually less than 2 clicks per unwatch, since the "add (x)" functionality needs to be clicked only once per reload, and the script employs strikethru, which is a great idea and makes immediate reloading unnecessary. &mdash; Sebastian 02:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You can actually do that to separate lines as well (by clicking on 'time') if enhanced recent changes are enabled from preferences. No problem. --lTopGunl (talk) 02:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, that's nice, but I don't really see a use for that; the "(x)" takes away so little space that it makes no difference to just leave it in. But I did find another really nice feature: by adding "unwatchLinksOnLoad = true;", I can even make it so I don't have to click the "add (x)" functionality link in the first place. Perfect! &mdash; Sebastian 03:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, good tweak. --lTopGunl (talk) 03:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * An alternative is to import User:Fred_Gandt/watchlistLive.js by adding


 * to your Vector.js (may work with other skins but was written to work with Vector). There is one click unwatching from watchlist plus a shed load of other stuff.

Pretty much finished but still considered "in development". No major glitches that I can honestly think of right now.  fredgandt  04:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Unwatch titles with one click direct from your watchlist.
 * Hide and show entries on your watchlist. Get temporarily rid of clutter, then get it back with another click.
 * Your watchlist is automatically refreshed every 60 seconds.
 * When on any page that is not your watchlist (not preferences pages), a small tab (in the top left of the screen) will turn light blue if something on your watchlist has changed. Click the tab to open a display of your watchlist, without navigating away from the page you're on. Click again on any part of the panel (that is not a link), and it closes. Click on any link inside the panel to navigate to that page.
 * Basically a portable watchlist that is monitored constantly.
 * Some stylistic changes are also made to the watchlist presentation. Complain to me at my talk.

RfC/AfD
I wish to call the notability of roughly 100 related articles into question. Would it be more appropriate to file an AfD, or an RfC? Inter change  able | talk to me  22:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * An RfC is not nearly as targeted as AfD for deletion discussions. What I would do is a batch AfD of the ten (or less) most similarly situated articles, not all 100. Write a careful nomination based in policy, making sure that you looked for reliable sources for each article in the batch and report your findings of none with substantive treatment, and then test the waters. If this is successful, I would then do more bundled nominations, maybe of up to twenty, using the prior nomination as a form of precedent, but never in super large batches (my experience is it just doesn't work—especially if there's one weak link; 19 non-notable topics but one notable topic in the bunch may bring down the entire nomination).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, but I'm not going to follow it. I've seen a batch AfD where there was a single notable article, and it stayed but the others were deleted. Inter  change  able | talk to me  00:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

article for submission
Dear Help Desk,

Below is an article that was submitted to Wikipedia may 2011 and as I understand it was rejected as gthere was no third party confirmation, please look over the submission and note at the bottom a link to CTV Canada AM on aitr interview, and a link to The Toronto Star Article on me and my work in regard to PTSD.

Thanks you: Jimmy Bremner

Jimmy Bremner

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jimmy Bremner (born May 21, 1959) is a Canadian author and law enforcement specialist. Bremner, who joined the police service in 1986 and has served on one of Canada’s most elite special weapons and tactics teams, recently penned Crack in the Armor: a police officer’s guide to surviving post traumatic stress disorder.

Law enforcement career

During his 25 years in law enforcement, Bremner has served in uniform patrol and SWAT, as a gun team member, team leader, sniper, rappel master, less lethal chemical and specialty impact munitions instructor and explosives technician. He was also assigned to the Gang Task Force as a weapons technician and tactical trainer, and later assigned as a Use of Force and Firearms instructor at the police academy. While at the academy, he was responsible for delivering advanced training to members of special operations units in preparation for high risk deployments such as Afghanistan. Bremner also has extensive knowledge in the area of Close Personal Protection. He has been responsible for organizing and training personal security details for deployment in Turkey, Lebanon and India.

Contents

• Law enforcement career • Martial arts and unarmed combat • Post traumatic stress disorder speaker • Friendly non-judgemental ear • Police television drama Flashpoint • Crack in the Armor book • Tactical training and instruction • External links

Martial arts and unarmed combat

Bremner has more than 30 years of extensive martial arts and unarmed combat experience in Tae Kwon Do, Jiu Jitsu, Washu Kung Fu and Israeli Krav Maga, and is certified by Israeli Special Forces instructors.

Post traumatic stress disorder speaker

Bremner speaks about PTSD, sharing his story to educate and inspire.

Police television drama Flashpoint

Bremner’s experiences have been portrayed in the award-winning CBS/CTV police action drama series, Flashpoint. He is responsible for training the cast in the handling of special weapons and choreographing tactical scenes. He also has an acting role in the Flashpoint interactive game found on CTV’s official Flashpoint site.

Crack in the Armor book

Bremner and Connie Adair co-authored Crack in the Armor: a police officer’s guide to surviving post traumatic stress disorder, a self-help guide written to assist officers in recovering from lethal force encounters.

Bremner and clinical psychologist Dr. Sean P. O’Brien co-authored the article PTSD and the Police, which has been published in The Canadian Critical Incident Magazine, Illinois Law Enforcement Journal and Blueline Magazine.

Tactical training and instruction

Through his private company, Bremner Associates Inc., Bremner provides tactical training and instruction for various police, military and security agencies, as well as the film and television industry throughout North America and abroad.

References

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/jim-bremner/20/728/6a0

Crack in the Armor: a police officer’s guide to post traumatic stress disorder

External links

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/jim-bremner/20/728/6a0 (Bremner linkedIn listing)

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CanadaAM/20111220/jimmy-bremner-crack-in-the-armor-post-traumatic-stress-111220/

http://www.thestar.com/printarticle/1100209 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.45.249 (talk) 23:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Please follow the instructions in the box at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jimmy Bremner to edit the old submission and request a new review. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * However: please read WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for why you should not be writing an autobiographical article. Anybody who tries to write an autobiographical article is very likely doing so for reasons fundamentally inconsistent with the goals of Wikipedia, i.e. for self-promotion. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Was "Laser Heater" page deleted?
Hello,

I am looking for the "Laser Heater" page. The following site appears to be mirroring Wikipedia's article:

http://dictionary.sensagent.com/laser+heater/en-en/

But I can't find it on Wikipedia or on the deletion log. Can anyone tell me the status of this page?

Thanks, David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidz07 (talk • contribs) 23:15, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Laser heater redirects to Laser. That site is using an old version of the article before it became a redirect.  Dismas |(talk) 23:19, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Click on a date in the page history to see what it contained then. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. So it was changed in May 2010 to redirect to "Laser", but then if you look at contemporaneous versions of the "Laser" article, none of the content from the "Laser Heater" article was copied in.  So we've lost that content.  I presume it would be OK to revert the redirect to make it an independent page again? --Davidz07 (talk) 04:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't, unless you plan to make immediate improvements to the old text. The material was entirely unsourced to any independent, reliable sources, so before your re-establish it as its own article, you should collect some reliable sources about the topic and be prepared to provide good references, per Verifiability.  -- Jayron  32  04:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If it were me, I wouldn't unless I could fix the issues with it. There are no references on the last version before the redirect was put into place.  The editor who made it into a redirect also had an issue which they put into their edit summary.  Something about it being a brand name...   So, yeah, work out the issues first.  Maybe make a user space draft first.  Dismas |(talk) 04:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)