Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 December 7

= December 7 =

Donation by mail
I want to donate to Wikipedia through mail because I don't prefer using a credit card.Is there a way to donate to Wikipedia through mail ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by John aziz57 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, see here. Dismas |(talk) 03:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:CSD-warn
Since I'm worthless for template coding, would someone kindly figure out what's wrong with this? The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to be in working order, make sure you subst: it. Is there a particular circumstance where it doesn't appear to be working? Monty  845  03:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I forgot to subst it, sorry for being a dope. But while I'm here, I might as well ask why it has Template:Sub st: at the top of it.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 03:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is so that the additional uses of subst: in the template wait until the template is used before being substituted. There are tags that cause to become  when someone transcludes the template. Unfortunately, there isn't a very good way to have the template display automatically on its own page as a result. Monty  845  04:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. No wonder I can never figure out the template system here; credit to all of you who work on them.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 04:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Confusion with "This sandbox has been placed in the article namespace. Move this page into your userspace."
I have just moved an article ("SEMF Pty Ltd") from my sandbox to Wikipedia. Now it has this in bold red at the top: "This sandbox has been placed in the article namespace. Move this page into your userspace." Under what circumstances should i move the page to my userspace? What should I do to get rid of this message and make sure the article is viewable to the public? Thanks. User:Wendyann83 Wendyann83 (talk) 04:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * While not directly responsive to your question, I think you should be alerted to the Notability Guidelines for companies. To be notable, a topic must have received substantive coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. Currently, the only references in the article are to the company website, and the external links don't solve the problem. The article also reads a bit like an advertisement, designed to promote the company, rather then a neutral encyclopedic coverage of the topic. If not corrected, either of these problems could result in the article being deleted. In response to your specific question, to remove that, delete the line that says . If you want more time to work on the article without a risk that someone will start a deletion process against it, you can just move it back to your userspace.  Monty  845  04:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and advice. I have passed on your good advice to my client. Wendyann83 (talk) 05:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about "clients" in the context of editing Wikipedia, you will save yourself a great deal of frustration, and probably some work, by reading WP:COI and WP:CORPFAQ before you do any further editing. --ColinFine (talk) 08:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have reworded the error message to avoid this confusion. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

WIKI BOOKS
i was creating a book on wiki book creator and it was almost done yesterday but to day its completly gone i dont know where to retrive my old book from plzz... help i cant create it once again ...:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.130.130 (talk) 07:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Only users with accounts can save a book (see WP:Books). Creating an account is free and has other benefits. --ColinFine (talk) 08:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that this isn't made clearer when you start to create a book; I've begun a discussion about this here. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Appeal link does not work
I feel sure this has been raised before, but I couldn't find it in a quick search of the help desk archives. The "personal appeal" link on the home page does not work for me at all. When I hover over it, the link appears active, but the URL shown at the foot of the page is just "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page#". Then when I click the link, nothing happens – I remain on the home page. I suspect this may be a browser issue – I'm using IE7. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 08:44, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have copied your message to the Wikimedia website, where you may get better answers: please see meta:Talk:Fundraising_2011.
 * You could also contact the fund-raising team by email, problemsdonating@wikimedia.org
 *  Chzz  ► 08:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It was reported at Help desk/Archives/2011 December 4 (currently transcluded above at ). The user gave no feedback to replies so the cause was not determined. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Footnote 1 in Mongol invasion of Europe
Hello. Can anyone have a look at the first ref of this article? The wikicode using looks correct to me. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 08:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The infobox assigns strength1 twice. Sourcesvary is defined the first time but the second time overrides the first which is discarded. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I've traced the problem to a bot edit. Weird. I'm moving the question to WT:MILHIST in the hope they know how to deal with that complicated template. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 11:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I mean that the code in Mongol invasion of Europe assigns twice to strength1. A parameter should only be assigned once when a template is used. The solution is simply to edit the article and remove one of the assignments, possibly merging content from the other. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Donating to Wikipedia from Nigeria
Hi. I am a reader based in Nigeria and I am interested in donating to Wikipedia. I checked the page where a debit card can be used, but found that Nigeria is not listed in the dropdown list. What other options are available for me to use?

134.146.0.43 (talk) 10:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * In the green panel on the right of Fundraising, there are links including Other ways to give. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Contribution to Wikipedia
Hello All,

My name is (Redacted), I am Indian by nationality living in Abu Dhabi, UAE. I have great respect for Wikipedia for the wonderful things you are doing to the human kind. We are from an Age where to reach the Information required is quite a struggle and it required a lot of effort to share the information across. It is so joy to see how the information is coming in front of us. In the generation of "Time is money" and "information is wealth" the contribution done by you all is priceless.

From my heart I want to be a part of your team and serve the cause with all my interest and strength. I am currently handling the Application Support for a Well reputed Finance company in the Middle East.I lead a team of 20 members, we take care of the database performance, availability of the sites, handling the application errors, Monitoring the resources and handle the tasks which our application cannot serve. I am confident that with my experience I can be a good player in your wonderful team and can live with pride.

I have a Masters degree in Computer Applications from University of Madras, 2005. and possess IT experience of around 6 years. I am passionate about photogaphy and spend my free time for it.

P.S I am married to a Moldovan National and am of father of a 3 months baby girl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundergaru (talk • contribs) 10:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Current job openings at the Foundation are listed here. Good luck. --Viennese Waltz 11:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Very short subsections
What is the minimal length a subsection (ie one under a level 3 heading) can / should have? The specific problem is, that I want to split Wieferich prime into two subsections, since the way it currently is it looks too much like kind of a trivia section in my opinion. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no minimum length. If the two points in the section are distinct and both notable, then by all means have separate headings. For me, I would prefer it if the second point started with a full sentence of prose before you go into the formulas. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

administrator's help is required for the "carl hirschmann" articles
despite all links and references we have two individuals who repetedly modified and then blocked the page without taking into consideration fact and links references for the article Carl Hirschmann. Please look at the facts and corretc. thks --Bioplus (talk) 12:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The material added by Bioplus was suppressed as personal information. He has been indefinitely blocked for violations of Biographies of living persons. This disclosure is made for information purposes only. User:Fred Bauder Talk 12:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Suitability of historical background in a novel as a subject for a Wiki article
We would like to create a Wiki article that discusses the historical background, and approach to writing, of a recently published historical novel. As the novel is self-published, we have searched the Wiki FAQ and read about Wikipedia's policy regarding such works as the subject for articles.

We have found a handful of novels, such as Shogun, Eragon, Elfquest, and others, that have Wiki articles. In particular, Shogun - while not self-published - discusses the historical basis for the story and characters, and seems a suitable model. Otherwise, we find that the majority of self-published novels have some additional merit, such as having been picked up by a major publisher, or making the best-seller lists, or having been made into a film; in a word, they have some maturity.

So we are wondering if our approach, that of discussing historical sources, issues of that day as they pertain to the events of the novel, and the representation of historical information as it is depicted in the novel, is sufficient to merit a place in Wikipedia.

Thank you, JamesLande (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * A self-published book is unlikely to meet the notability guidelines for books. In that event, the "background" stuff is unlikely to be notable either. – ukexpat (talk) 15:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If, by any chance, you are to here to promote this book then you should also look through the Wikipedia guidelines on advertising and conflict of interest. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, as stated above, the short answer is no, I'd assume, unless the relationship between the material in question and the novel is itself discussed in published reliable sources, which seems unlikely - and then probably only if the novel meets the Notability (books) guideline. Articles are supposed to be based on published sources, and not on the original research of contributors, which seems to be what you are suggesting here. Two questions though: what novel are you referring to, and are you by any chance connected with the author - if you are, you need to read our policy regarding conflicts of interest too. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The worst thing would be to spend a long time working on this and then get it deleted. Unless the novel has received attention from reliable sources that is what might happen. If it has only recently been published it would be wise to wait a while for it to receive sufficient coverage. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 15:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

i want to request you
that you should add urdu language,,so that all users from Pakistan can get maximum benefits..we will be very thankful if you add URDU.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.48.16 (talk) 16:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Click here to jump to the Urdu Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ... and the foot of the Main Page of English Wikipedia has links to other Wikipedias. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

my user name appearing on the top of my sports Bio with wikipedia
could you please help me removing my user name from the top of my wikipedia sports article (bio) that appears everytime someone goggles my name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TJTY (talk • contribs) 16:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If you want to remove your name (assuming that it is your name) from your user page, there is nothing to stop you doing so. Alternatively you can add   to the top of the user page to stop it being indexed by Google.  If you are saying that you would like someone to write a Wikipedia article, as distinct from a user page, then you would need to demonstrate (through reliable sources) that the subject complies with the relevant notability guidelines, then get someone without a conflict of interest to write the article. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have moved your user page to Treamelle Taylor. Please note that we have a policy, which you can read here, which says that you should not edit about yourself, except under very specific circumstances. Please also note that you do not own the page you have created and it may be deleted or criticism about you may be added, if reliably sourced. --Dweller (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I did a little clean up and wikifying, but needs references if it is to survive a possible speedy deletion. Astronaut (talk) 17:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Current_events
I was just browsing the current events portal and noticed that the date format on wikinews blue box differs from the two green boxes above and below.

Right now the green ones say 7 December 2011 and the blue one says December 7, 2011.

In some questioning on the discussion page itself, John of Reading wrote that:


 * This is caused by an inconsistency in Portal:Current_events/Inclusion, and would be easy to fix. It would need an admin, though, since it is a fully-protected page. But both formats are consistent with MOS:DATE, so how do we choose? -- John of Reading (talk) 21:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I personally am a fan of the DD Month YYYY format, but obviously either is fine so long as it's consistent.

How can we get this resolved? Where do we go from here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JByrd (talk • contribs) 17:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * boldly changed Current events header to display d-m-y format two days ago. I boldly changed it back. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 18:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Err, that move was two YEARS ago - 5 Dec 2009, not 5 Dec 2011! BencherliteTalk 01:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I see there is already a discussion between yourself and John of Reading at Portal talk:Current events, which is where the discussion should happen. If you need additional editors to comment, you could post a notice at WP:VPM or start a "request for comment", WP:RFC. It may just take time; not every problem gets resolved the day the problem is noticed, I would get some other editors a chance to comment, and give it a few days to see what date format the consensus comes to. -- Jayron  32  18:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

My Wikipedia page.
I want to take control of my wikipedia page. I am Chris Frazier. It was originally created by someone else. There is incomplete and incorrect information on it and every time I correct it it is changed back the next day. I want administrative control of my page please. Tell me what I have to do. Thanks, Chris Frazier Drumdevil (talk) 19:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You misunderstand Wikipedia. Chris Frazier is not your Wikipedia page;  it is a page about you (assuming that you are him).  That page can be edited by nearly anyone, provided that the information they add is verifiable.  The one person who, in general, should NOT be editing the page is you, as you have a conflict of interest;  please read WP:COI for the guidelines.  You most certainly can't have administrative control of the page.  You have been given a number of useful pointers in links on your user talk page, so please take the trouble to read them.  Another page which you can usefully read is Autobiography. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:37, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * First, we do not know who you are. The old phrase is, "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog." You could be anyone who is claiming to be Chris Frazier.
 * Second, assuming you are Chris Frazier, the page Chris Frazier is not your page, It is a page about you. Nobody has administrative control of it. All changes are done through consensus and must meet Wikipedia guidelines of notability and verifiability. What you have been attempting to do is add unverified and non-notable information while deleting verified and notable information. For example, what makes Frazier notable is his time with Whitesnake. You deleted every comment about Whitesnake and added anecdotes about Frazier beating on things as an infant. It is not notable that he may or may not have beat on things as an infant.
 * Third, see WP:COI. If you are Chris Frazier, you obviously have a conflict of interest. This page will help explain problems and solutions for handling conflict of interest. -- k a i n a w &trade; 19:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Possible GeoGroupTemplate Error
I'm using Template:GeoGroupTemplate in this article User:Belovedfreak/Monuments. Although I like it a lot, I seem to have broken it. In the Blackburn with Darwen section the entry for Pleasington alum works gets moved a few miles across the map. At first I assumed I must have made an error but it only happens when viewing through Geogroup, not if you click on the coordinates in the entry. It seems to be replacing the longitude with one from another entry in the Pendle section. I’ve tried about 50 different experiments and I can’t figure out what I’ve done wrong. TIA --Trappedinburnley (talk) 19:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Update: It seems to have more or less fixed itself, so maybe it was some sort of caching issue at my end?--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm seeing the marker at the same location (a wooded area between the ends of Alum Scar Lane and Billinge End Road) both directly through the coord link and through the GeoGroup link. Have you altered those coordinates since adding GeoGroupTemplate to the page? It takes Google Maps a while to reflect a change in coordinates through a GeoGroups link (as much as a day or two, in my experience). Deor (talk) 20:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The URL's displayed by Google/Bing have "usecache=1" at the end. While I was playing with it just now I tried "usecache=0". Maybe, just maybe, that fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I did fix an error in the coordinates after adding (and using) Geogroup, so sense has returned to my universe. It's working fine now. Thanks for your time!--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Symbol appearing in watchlist
I just created a new page at User:Toshio Yamaguchi/ToDo 01. In my watchlist, there appears N! in front of the edit. I know N says the edit created a new page. I never recognized the exclamation mark before. When I hover over the exclamation mark it says "This edit has not yet been patrolled". Is that a new watchlist feature or is this just coincidence, meaning I somehow missed that on previous pages I created because I watched them only after they had been patrolled? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Also in the bottom right corner of the page there is a link that reads [Mark this page as patrolled]. I also never recognized that. Has there some new feature being implemented where I somehow missed the discussion? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Must be your own obliviousness, because page patrolling has been a feature for about 4 years, seeNew pages patrol/patrolled pages. I've been around long enough to remember when it was implemented, but unless you are a regular at WP:NPP you may not encounter it usually. -- Jayron  32  19:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The watchlist exclamation mark is new; previously you'd only see [Mark this page as patrolled] if you visited the page via Special:NewPages. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You may have missed the discussion here a week ago? - David Biddulph (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Yes I missed that discussion. I am currently not that active on Wikipedia for a variety of reasons. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 22:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I understand the purpose behind adding that; however, for a new page to appear on my Watchlist I would have had to create it so the notification doesn't do a lot of good. Does anyone know if there has ever been discussion about letting you know if a certain user creates a page?  (I can see the danger of hounding in what I just said)  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  22:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

first class construction
I have been looking for meaning and uses in construction. I can't locate anywhere and its a common phrase with no explanation. I am looking for "first class construction". What exactly does that stand for, perimters??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cecilia30 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.7 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:02, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

enter my company
hello, I have owned and operated a registered company for 23 years and would like it to show up on Wikipedia. I manufacture monogrammed baby and wedding books and have customers all over the world but mostly sell within the USA. How can I show up on your site? Susie Burns, owner of Way Cool Designs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.189.216 (talk) 20:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You seem to be mistaken. Wikipedia is not a business directory.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia.  You may be interested in reading FAQ/Organizations.  -- Jayron  32  20:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Videolog.tv
I created an article about the portuguese video provider Videolog.TV (mirror here: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videolog.tv) and it was simply deleted. The reason: speedy deletion, section A7 - No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content).

In the portuguese mirror, it says (and I quote what I remember saying in the EN mirror, translating the original text). I didn't used those exact words, but what I am writing below is what was said in that article. Nothing more and nothing less.

Videolog is a video-sharing website on which users can upload, share, and view videos. Created in May 2004 by Ariel Alexandre e Edson Mackeenzy, it became one of the main providers from Brazil.

Since November 2010, it was partnered with the news portal R7.

Popularity

Since December 2011, Videolog.tv is ranked #300 in Alexa's brazilian traffic rank, and #12404 in the statistic of globally visited sites.

Features

Videolog allows the user to upload videos limited to 25 minutes and 400 MB, except for Videologgers PRO where the max filesize is up to 700 MB and unlimited lenght.

One reason that justifies the article being here in the Wikipedia is this line "Since November 2010, it became part of the news portal R7". R7 article here: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/R7

And the source from the "partnership": http://noticias.r7.com/tecnologia-e-ciencia/noticias/videolog-maior-comunidade-de-videos-no-brasil-chega-ao-r7-20101101.html

It belongs to a brazilian television network, as you can see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rede_Record

I don't buy the "largest video provider in the country", this can be a way of drawing more people, and it would be inaccurate to write such things in any article from Wikipedia without proof or valid sources. That's why I changed that part to "one of the main video providers from Brazil" in the PT article as well, I mean something like that is more encyclopedic.

What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perene (talk • contribs) 20:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * As an administrator, I can read deleted articles. The problem with the article was that there was nothing in the way it was written to indicate that the website was important in any way.  However, if you would like to spend more time working on the article, I can move the (now deleted) article into your "userspace" as a draft article (see WP:DRAFT and WP:USERFY), and that should give you more time to spend crafting an article which can avoid deletion.  Would you like that?  -- Jayron  32  20:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * As the deleting administrator, I'll point out that each Wikipedia has its own criteria for inclusion. For the English Wikipedia, the criteria for inclusion for companies and web sites are described in WP:CORP. What part of WP:CORP does this videolog.tv meet? ~Amatulić (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, sorry. I recognize there's no indication from the importance of this website alone, but what do you think about the partnership with the R7 portal I just explained? I mean, if R7 itself is a website like CNN and even has an article in the portuguese Wikipedia, and R7 belongs to the 3rd brazilian TV network (Rede Record - the other two are Rede Globo and Sistema Brasileiro de Televisão, how that does not qualify Videolog for being listed in the english Wikipedia? R7 also mentioned Videolog in this page about their partnership, so it's not just a website that a few people know that exist.

Amatulic, I believe this part will meet WP:CORP:

"Audience

The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of attention by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, national, or international source is necessary."

Then again, I could be wrong. Perene (talk) 20:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

http://oglobo.globo.com/tecnologia/brasileira-samba-tech-compra-videolog-2867446
 * Amatulic, another source I didn't even knew until now (I did a search) and didn't even mentioned in the deleted article:

As you can see, Videolog has some importance and was even mentioned by this famous newspaper: O Globo which belongs to: "Globo Organization, the largest media conglomerate of South America[citation needed], founded in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1925 by Irineu Marinho. It also owns companies on the food industry and the real estate and financial markets." Perene (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

http://thenextweb.com/la/2011/09/06/brazilian-online-video-interesting-move-as-samba-tech-buys-videolog-tv/ (written in english) http://www.adnews.com.br/pt/negocios/samba-tech-compra-o-videolog.html http://www.telaviva.com.br/06/09/2011/samba-tech-adquire-a-videolog/tl/239316/news.aspx http://idgnow.uol.com.br/mercado/2011/09/06/samba-tech-compra-comunidade-de-videos-online-videolog/ http://www.valor.com.br/empresas/999116/samba-tech-compra-videolog-e-mira-al http://economia.ig.com.br/mercados/samba+tech+adquire+videolog/n1597196076818.html http://economia.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/valor/2011/09/05/samba-tech-adquire-videolog.jhtm http://exame.abril.com.br/pme/noticias/sambatech-compra-a-videolog
 * More sources that validate this claim:

iG = see Internet Group - brazilian portal UOL = see Universo Online - "UOL once known as Universo Online, is a Brazilian online service provider and internet service provider. It is the leader in Latin America and the homepage portal is the biggest in the Portuguese speaking world. UOL is currently ranked at Alexa TOP 100." Abril = see Grupo Abril = "the second largest Brazilian media conglomerate with its headquarter in São Paulo. The group is the holding company of Editora Abril, who publishes the weekly newsmagazine Veja".

The news report says that Videolog was purchased by a company named "Samba Tech". If the article is restored a quick note about this can be added, I did that minutes ago in the portuguese mirror.

There, you have it, more than enough reasons to restore this article. If you can, please move to my userspace and I will edit what I didn't mentioned (about this "Samba Tech" deal, which I believe was the only thing missing from qualifying the article to be here). Perene (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have userfied the article to User:Perene/Videolog.tv. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Image-display problem
The panoramic image of the Bayeux Tapestry (File:Tapisserie de Bayeux 31109.jpg} is not displaying properly for me at the bottom of the section Bayeux Tapestry in our article. All I see is a thin vertical line in the middle of the thumbnail box. I am seeing it properly, however, at the bottom of the lead of the German WP article. Any idea what the problem may be? (My browser is IE8 if that's relevant.) Deor (talk) 20:35, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That's definitely a browser issue. I tested in Safari and Internet Explorer. It displays properly in Safari, but in IE I just get that thin vertical line you describe. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 20:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I guess my question now is, How can it be fixed for me and other IE users? The template syntax used in the article appears to be exactly the same as that used for the example image in Template:Panorama/doc, and that example displays fine for me. Deor (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It appears IE has a width limit of 16384 pixels in some situations. Tapisserie de Bayeux 31109.jpg works for me in IE but not Tapisserie de Bayeux 31109.jpg . This means the panorama works in IE at height 185 but fails at anything above. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've adjusted the height in the article accordingly. Not the best solution, perhaps, but the browser is sufficiently used that I think it's better than leaving it the way it was. Deor (talk) 01:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Setting the sort order for a category without touching each article
For the wikipedia category Category:Redirects_from_German_language_terms, every page title in category is known to be in German, because this is the membership condition for the category. Is there a way to get the category to recognise this and sort umlaut-bearing characters appropriately? I'm aware that I could go through all the members of the category and add a default sort entry, but I was hoping for something that didn't involve that. This issue effects many subcategories of Category:Redirects_from_non-English_language_terms. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know of any way to do this. At this VPT archive there is a discussion of a special sort required for one particular category, but nothing came of it. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:00, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This is so that (for example) Große Fass comes before Grosslage and Sozialdemokratische Partei Österreichs comes before Sozialdemokratische Partei Südtirols and the entire Ö gets folded in with O, right? (Just curious)Naraht (talk) 16:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * From http://www.mail-archive.com/wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg44979.html, it appears that would work, but maybe that's not installed in this wikipedia. I can't find anything with SORTAS as a magic word.Naraht (talk) 16:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * See if there is a bot that can do this task on a semi-automated basis. - 194.60.106.17 (talk) 09:28, 9 December 2011 (UTC)