Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 December 9

= December 9 = I was wondering if someone could please look over my Naked Pizza article in my sandbox and give me some feedback? Thank you :)

Berkman Study
It seems like the study that is appearing at the top of the pages is only seen by people with accounts. Has anyone actually received money by completing it? Ryan Vesey Review me!  00:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll let you know if I do. I just completed it about an hour ago but don't expect anything until at least the start of the business day on Friday or Monday.  And I doubt anyone has received anything if it just started appearing tonight/today. Dismas |(talk) 00:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, so Tuesday AM. I got my 10.95 Euro.  Dismas |(talk) 09:35, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, 17.52 Euros in my new pay pal account. And they say editing Wikipedia can't make you money :)  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  16:25, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Polydactyly
I am a polydactyly I would like to know how can I post a pic of my hands and will i be financially re-embursed for the photo exposure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunshinetweet123 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Three things:
 * You need to be autoconfirmed before you can upload pictures to Wikipedia. You need four days and nine more edits.
 * You need to upload your image with a free license in accordance with the Image use policy. A list of free licenses acceptable on Wikipedia can be found here.
 * No, you will not be financially reimbursed.
 * Also, WP:UPIMAGE may be of interest to you. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't need autoconfirmation if you upload to the Wikimedia Commons. And if you do that, then the image(s) can be used at the Wikipedias in other languages.  Dismas |(talk) 03:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You will not be financially re-embursed for use of images on Wikipedia.  Chzz  ► 10:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, there are several good pictures already in the article polydactyly, so it is not clear that the article would be improved by another one, unless perhaps it showed a significantly different syndrome. --ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Names of vegetables
Botanical names of kashmiri vegetables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.0.9.153 (talk) 06:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps. —teb728 t c 08:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The article Kashmiri cuisine only mentions three specific vegetables:
 * Aubergine (called Vangan Hach)
 * Bottle Gourd (called Al Hach)
 * Turnips (called Goagji Hach)


 * I have linked these to Wikipedia articles, from which you can find their botanical names. --ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

approval
Hi, I sent in my first contribution... when will it be publicly published? And will I be alerted to this fact.

Thanks,

Mandy Salomon TTE678 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTE678 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You can keep an eye on progress at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Serge Soudoplatoff. As it says there, there are hundreds of drafts awaiting review.  I notice that most of the references are blogs, so you may wish to read WP:RS.  - David Biddulph (talk) 08:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Your article has problems: In the first place it doesn’t indicate why Soudoplatoff is important or significant. See WP:BIO for the notability standards for biographies. Also it needs additional inline references to reliable sources to verify the content. Most of your inline references are to blogs, which are not considered reliable sources. You provide a list of other external links, but there is no indication of what parts of the article they are supposed to verify. (I made some superficial improvements to the article: adding links to other Wikipedia articles, formatting inline references as footnotes, and converting inline external links that merely identify subjects to internal links to the articles about those subjects.) —teb728 t c 08:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Confusion on AFD'd article


Montrose Star was nominated at AFD, and at the AFD discussion someone suggested renaming to Houston Voice. Whereupon an anon over-boldly copied the article there, only partially updated the contents, and then redirected the original article to the copy. This action confuses the issue: In the first place, if the copy is to be kept, it needs a history merge. And redirecting the subject of an AFD in the middle of discussion confuses the discussion: For example, should Keep !votes be interpreted to apply to the original article or the copy? —teb728 t c 07:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC) Update: I reverted the redirect on Montrose Star, leaving two separate articles. But the redirect had been there for most of the last six days. —teb728 t c 12:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * A standard history merger with just db-histmerge is impossible since the articles have overlapping histories (which would be interleaved, a very bad thing). However, if you're willing to part with the most recent additions to Montrose Star, such revisions could be deleted (not using WP:REVDEL, but with conventional deletion), making a history merge possible.  Alternately, early revisions from Houston Voice could be deleted, but I'm not sure if that's kosher with our copyright requirements.  It might be best to just delete Houston Voice entirely and move Montrose Star over it, but that will lose contributions.  But if you do want help with this, take it to WP:REPAIR for admin assistance.  -- N  Y  Kevin  @156, i.e. 02:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Making an article for a Human Rights Organisation - some assistance required
Hi,

I am trying to make an article for a human rights organisation. There is plenty of content that i will be sourcing from the organisations website however i seem to be faltering at the basic wikipedia layout/template. Is anyone able to assist with this? The website is www.arasa.info. The logo i loaded appears but i'm not too sure sure about its location on the page as it seems to be 'floating'. Anyone to can assist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arasact (talk • contribs) 09:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I added the logo for you. But I want to be sure you understand that the organization's website is not considered an independent reliable source. All facts in the article need to be verifiable by references to reliable sources. And those that establish the required notability must be independent of the organization. —teb728 t c 09:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have an additional very serious concern: Your username may violate Wikipedia's username policy, for it seems to indicate that you are editing on behalf of ARASA. —teb728 t c 09:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The user name is a clear violation of the user name policy and has been reported as such. Also, the images in the draft appear to be copyvios as the organisation's website bears a clear copyright notice, and an appropriate permission has not been provided. – ukexpat (talk) 13:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

reggie lambe article

 * Reggie Lambe

that is not a valid picture of reggie lambe as a matter of fact that picture is not reggie lambe. see link for confirmation http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/12/08/toronto-fc-see-lambe-electric-option-wings — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talk1talk9 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting us know. OK, so, the original uploader says it was their own picture; I have now questioned that, and have removed the image from the article.
 * We cannot use the image you suggested, because of copyright concerns; please see WP:DCM.
 * Maybe you could help us find an image we can use; please see Finding images tutorial. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 10:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image in articles about fictional characters from television shows
Is there a guideline on what the infobox image for an article about a fictional character from a television series should look like? I want to change an infobox image in a specific article about a fictional character. And yes, I am aware that these discussions might often come down to "I prefer this image over that image because ....". Are there more objective criteria I can bring up to justify such a change? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Can I just boldly change the image? As a note, it would change the image from a portrait of the character to an image showing the character standing. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This may be helpful. – ukexpat (talk) 13:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I could take that as supporting my intended change, since the shots of a character in a television series will most likely not just show the character's head. The point is, that since both images are non-free, this will result in the deletion of the current image. I personally would prefer the new image I want to add. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If by portrait you mean a drawing of some artistic skill, I'd go with an actual picture of the character. That way nothing is left up to imagination or interpretation.  I'm assuming here that we're talking about a real life person who plays a character here and not a character from a cartoon or anime.  Dismas |(talk) 14:20, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The specific image is the infobox image in the article Tasha Yar. I want to change it to this one. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, I acknowledge that making that change as described could probably be regarded as a disimprovement, since that image seems to be of a poor quality (there is a lot of noise in the image). I would try to fix that prior to uploading that image. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That image is too big. If that image is to be shown in the infobox, you would hardly be able to make out the face. That is the reason we mainly use portraits instead of standing. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 14:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * FWIW I have uploaded a tweaked version of File:TashaYar.jpg that is a little better, I think. – ukexpat (talk) 14:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * @Edokter: Is there a guideline that says the infobox image has to show only he face? After all, in the television show, a viewer will often not just see the characters face.
 * @Ukexpat: Thanks for the upload. I am still interested whether the change I intend to make is allowed or not.
 * Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * (outdent, got tired of counting colons) In general, the image is for identification of the subject. Nothing about Yar's legs, arms, or stomach are notable or extra-ordinary.  The face shot is better.  Dismas |(talk) 15:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with that. I haven't seen sources that would establish that the character is notable for the arms or legs or whatever. On the other hand, I also haven't seen sources that would establish that the character is notable for the face and I haven't seen a guideline that says a portrait is preferable over an image showing the character in its entirety for such articles. I hope this doesn't come over as me "pushing" for that particular image. That it might be better is of course just my personal opinion and I would like to see a policy or guideline supporting either of the two images. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you see, in general, humans identify people primarily by their facial features, so you can see why the face is a good starting point. And a full body shot in an infobox would just look... weird.  -- N  Y  Kevin  @150, i.e. 02:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


 * One argument in favor of the image I want to upload would be, that the article is about the whole character and not just the characters head. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Costs of services
Is this allowed in Wikipedia? This article is informing how much the company is charging for each service offered to consumers, but I am not sure if this kind of information can be posted here.
 * It's not the type of thing that we like to have here, no. We aren't a comparison shopping service.  I'm actually not entirely convinced that the company meets the notability requirements of WP:CORP anyway.  Dismas |(talk) 14:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The whole thing looks like a spamfest to me and I have tagged it for speedy deletion as such. – ukexpat (talk) 14:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Dismas: actually this article is from a product of this company, but I am not sure if it's justified to have his own page (or at least in the way it was written). Perene (talk) 14:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedily deleted as too promotional in tone. – ukexpat (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Hebrew Experts, Come and Help Decide: Neve Sha'anan or Nave Sha'anan?
(I couldn't technically post my call on the general bulletin board, hence this one here.)

Please come help decide whether the neighbourhood he:נווה שאנן's name will be transcripted in Latin Alphabeth into Neve or rather Nave Sha'anan. We now have in the English Wikipedia three articles and one disambig-page with a misspelled title, and respective following pages with that same error in two foreign language wikis as well as Commons! If there's a more appropriate and efficiant page for this message to be published I'd be thankful if you do so. The rename discussion is here. 94.230.82.25 (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel for you, since that's probably the best place to get the attention of Hebrew experts. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. 94.230.82.25 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC).

Help! My article is listed for speedy deletion, and I can't get into the page
H — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infuzein (talk • contribs) 14:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * What page? -- k a i n a w &trade; 14:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on contributions, Infuzein is a new username for EAUFC, who was indef blocked for a spam username. So the article would be Engin Akyurek. EAUFC removed the prod, so deletion of the article is not an immediate issue. But apparently the new username is having an autoblock problem; so Infuzein can't edit from his/her usual IP. —teb728 t c 03:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia should use social netwroking when appealing to people on Wiki
I see so many different appeals from Wikipedia authors and staff. However, if Wikipedia put a share button on the same page. So any readers who do not afford to pay can at least share it to society by clicking the 'Share' button. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.200.111.19 (talk) 20:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This has been proposed recently (see Village pump (proposals)/Archive 81). Arguments for and against that proposal were brought up and currently there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus within the Wikipedia community for or against such a feature. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 20:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

lost Maxime Old article
Hi, I am annecaro961, and I've recently (october/november) be working on an article which was basically a translation in english of the one I had previously written in french on Maxime Old a french decorator. I am not any more able to find it and even not on the deleted ones!!could you hep me? Many thanks anne-caroline schwob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annecaro961 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The article Maxime Old was deleted by with a reason of G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion). Personally, I don't agree that your article fitted that description, though it wasn't in a fit state to be in the main namespace. If you want, I can restore it and move it to a sub-page of your user area. You can work on it there and only move it back to article space when it's ready. --GraemeL (talk) 20:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

making Search Box 'Active'
When I load Wiki, I have to click the search box, before typing. Is there sa setting to make it like google? ie when Wiki loads, (imho) the search box should be 'active' so I can begin typing WITHOUT having to click the box.

Am I missing something?

Thanks for listening,

Rich Boyer

PS the 'hacker' in my user refers to my GOLF skills, NOT any computer intrusion abilities   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azhacker (talk • contribs) 22:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * See FAQ/Main Page. Deor (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

help Chat Screen Format
When I try to ask a question via chat, the screen formats strangely. It's all text, run together, with no line feeds, paragraph breaks, etc. I can see on the last line, what appears to be an agent ready to help, but the screen offers no place my MY input. Am I missing a setting in the setup?

TIA

Rich Boyer

PS- Be assured, the 'hacker' in my screen name, is in reference to by GOLF skills, not my computer intrusion desires  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azhacker (talk • contribs) 22:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You type in the area at the bottom of the screen - there's an empty box which goes all the way across; if you click in that, you'll get a flashing cursor. Just type a short sentence and hit return. Often, several people are "talking" at the same time. Give it another try; once you get used to it, it starts to make sense.  Chzz  ► 04:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

How To Do Footnotes and Short Citations and Reference List for Article.
Hi

I am a beginner editor and I need help figuring out the markup codes needed to add footnotes and short citations to the Wikipedia article on Ethan Allen. I saw that this article uses short citations, with the full name of book, author, publisher, etc, listed only under References.

I don't know what mark-up codes to use to generate this format for footnotes I want to add to the Ethan Allen article.

How does one generate the footnote style called a short citation, but also the name of the book to be put in the Reference section.

Could you give me examples I could use as a model.

The book I wish to cite several times is:

Willard Sterne Randall, Ethan Allen: His Life and Times, W. W. Norton, New York and London, 2011.

Hope you can help me. I have read the HELP articles on Wikipedia footnotes, but am still confused.

Thanks Delancy --Delancy (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added help on harvard-style references on the user's talk page, User_talk:Delancy.  Chzz  ► 03:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)