Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 July 11

= July 11 =

Reference error
I am having problems with reference 29 on Orrin Hatch. It is not displaying as it should when using the cite web template, and I cannot figure out why. I suspect it is a simple issue that I am overlooking, but cannot figure out what it is. Any help is appreciated. Spalds (talk) 00:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Very odd, but fixed, see diffs: There was a new line within the ref-parameter title. mabdul 00:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, didn't even notice that. Spalds (talk) 00:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Account recovery - old/dead account
I created an account a long time ago, and I haven't logged in since then. If I don't remember the password to the account, nor the email address I might've linked it to for password recovery, is there a way to recover it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.155.232.233 (talk) 00:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * No. If you really want the username then see Changing username/Usurpations, but it's easier for everybody if you just pick a new username and create an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * After reading about Usurpations, it appears that I ought to create a new account anyway and establish it with at least a few contributions before usurping. Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.155.234.105 (talk) 01:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

place
Where to request uploads of pictures? Not the place to upload pictures, the place where to request uploading of pictures. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 03:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Files for upload. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:36, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 20:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

My images are not right aligned
Hi!

I'm trying to create a new article (currently working on it on my user page), but I can't get the correct alignment for two images. One is the logo for the organization and the other is a small picture of the organization's founder.

In other articles I've viewed on Wikipedia, all images are right aligned. But mine are not. Can you help me?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aoci4him (talk • contribs) 07:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Adding "|thumb" or "|right" is what you are looking for on that image if you want to make it look like others (I am editing your page but feel free to revert). You might be looking to do an infobox which will cause a little bit of effort. See: Template:Infobox organization -- Cptnono (talk) 07:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * See but also check outPicture tutorial -- Cptnono (talk) 07:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. You need to add a  parameter to align the picture right. You can also just add the parameter   to turn the picture into a thumbnail which resizes and aligns it automatically. The most common code used for inserting pictures is the one below:
 * Hello. You need to add a  parameter to align the picture right. You can also just add the parameter   to turn the picture into a thumbnail which resizes and aligns it automatically. The most common code used for inserting pictures is the one below:




 * In addition you might want to read Your first article and Neutral point of view. The text in your draft is problematic because it is promotional. Please make sure the tone of your article is neutral and the information encyclopedic. Most importantly, you also need to prove notability (you need to show the importance of the subject and why it should be in an encyclopedia). --  Obsidi♠n   Soul   07:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Just to be pedantic, there is no need for the |right parameter as "right" is the default alignment for thumbnails. – ukexpat (talk) 13:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * To be even more pedantic, I believe that's exactly what I said in the second sentence, heh.--  Obsidi♠n   Soul   13:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, yes, apols. – ukexpat (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

How to cite a web source that has new information since previously visited?
I want to add episode titles to List of The Protector episodes from the Futon Critic

This source has already been referenced - it was visited on 22 June 2011.

Since then two more episode titles have been added.

How do I reference this additional information?


 * Do I use the original reference and ignore the fact that I've visited it at a later date?
 * Do I use the original reference, but change the viewed on date?
 * If so, do I need to check all of the facts referenced?
 * If I do and find that some of the information is no longer listed on the referenced page what do I do?
 * Do I create a new reference to the same page with a new viewed on date?

Tango Mike Bravo (talk) 10:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You should be fine to update the access date on the original cite, then just use the reference again, however do it like this. For the first usage of the reference on the page, type   and for the second usage, just type  . Makes sense?  Steven Zhang  The clock is ticking....  10:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, makes sense. Given that the reference is already named, I'll just use. Tango Mike Bravo (talk) 12:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox high court
I think I've messed up adding a second chief judge parameter to Template:Infobox high court, I didn't want to do add the parameter myself, but recevied no reply either on the template talk page or from the primary editors. I've tried to fix it but I think 've made it worse.-- Tærkast (Discuss) 12:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll have a go... -- John of Reading (talk) 12:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ...any better? I'm not sure of the meaning of the four "termend" parameters. If this isn't right, post at Template talk:Infobox high court and I'll be watching. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Much better thanks. I don't know the meaning of those four parameters either, not sure why they're there. But thanks,-- Tærkast (Discuss) 13:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Italic Text and Bold Text vandalism cleanup.
I've noticed that Italic Text and Bold Text are incredibly common as vandalism. I've started searching for "Italic Text" and "Bold Text" in the wikipedia search (limited to articles) and have found an incredible number, of which a large (but not overwhelming) percentage are vandalism. I'm looking for ideas to help me with the cleanup of those. First, is there any way to search for article where the phrase Italic Text is actually italicized, a search for that would generate fewer false positives? Secondly, since a high number of the vandalism occurances are either the first or last text in the article, is there any way to look for *that*? Any other ideas? (Note: I'm also asking this at Wikipedia talk:Counter-Vandalism Unit)Naraht (talk) 13:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you considered asking at edit filter talk page? They may be able to help with specific edit queries like this. TN X Man  15:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That page is more devoted to keeping them from even happening or tagging them. Might be an even more pro-active way to handle it...Naraht (talk) 16:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * (This seems to do with the odd behaviour of the B and I icons above the edit box, clicking on which produces "Bold text" and "Italic text" respectively unless you first highlight some text. Maybe that behaviour needs addressing.--Shantavira|feed me 16:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC))
 * There is a bot that is approved for this task. @Shantavira That is correct. — G FOLEY   F OUR!  — 17:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Naraht, flowing from what Shantavira points out, these are test edits most of the time, not "vandalism". These should be reverted of course, but warnings for this should be test warnings, not vandalism warnings (i.e., the Uw-test1, Uw-test2 series) and the accompanying edit summary should not call them vandalism unless there's something else included in the edit that shows bad intent, or the person has already been warned multiple times and continues making such edits.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Search Box will not take focus nor can type into the box
I cannot search using the box on Help:Contents. I've read the comments at Main_Page, but that does not address this issue. Alt F places courser in the search box at top right corner. Just typing has not effect. Cannot enter text in the main centered search box. I've noticed this behavior for at least a week. Thanks ArmyRetired (talk) 14:17, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks as if you have to click in the box first. If you have no mouse, then you may be able to force the cursor into the box by hitting the "tab" key - using Firefox, it takes about a dozen clicks with the tab key, so that's not a good solution, but better than nothing. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move of page. Not showing up on queue.
I requested that a page I drafted in my user: area be moved to the official spot, which currently holds a redirect. I followed the instructions on Requested_moves. My page now says "A bot will list this discussion on Wikipedia:Requested moves within 15 minutes of this tag being placed". However, it has been more than 15 minutes and the page has not been listed on the requested moves page.

Page: User:TheGrimme/Best_Day_Ever_(Mixtape)

Requested: User_talk:TheGrimme/Best_Day_Ever_(Mixtape)

Requested Designation: Best_Day_Ever_(Mixtape)

Did I incorrectly follow a procedure, is the bot not running, or was I instantly rejected? Thanks TheGrimme (talk) 15:23, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Update: It eventually showed up on the requests page. Perhaps the bot is slow today.  Thanks. TheGrimme (talk) 17:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Multiple coordinates for geographic list articles
I may be starting some lists of settlements by country for countries where we don't have good coverage yet. Essentially, it will be a table with the city name, coordinates, population, and a notes column for now, until the articles can be expanded properly. But I'd like for these settlements all to show up in the google maps overlay etc. Is there a way to associate multiple coordinates each with a different title, all for the same article? Obviously I can just put one coordinate per row but I don't think this is going to do the trick. Would redirects with coordinates on the redirect work? I'm not really sure if that's a good solution, but it's a thought. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're asking, but I hope my answer is useful. You may benefit from looking at a page such as National Register of Historic Places listings in Logan County, Ohio, which has nine sets of named coords; if you click a link on the GeoGroupTemplate, you'll see the locations of nine different sites on the map, each with a different name.  Nyttend (talk) 16:08, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I'm not sure that template is useful, but maybe the use of the name= parameter with coord is what i need to do. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:23, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * GeoGroupTemplate produces a clickable link that does what you seem to want, at least when the reader accesses a Google or Bing map from the article. See also List of offshore wind farms in the United Kingdom which uses the same template (calling it via the kml alias). The resulting Google map shows a map with unlabeled pushpins for each instance of Coord from the article that displays inline, and a left-hand legend on the map displays the value of the  parameter from each instance of Coord. On the other hand, if users get into Google independently of the article, I'm not sure whether you can make multiple coordinates from a single article appear. See WikiProject Geographical coordinates for hints about the application you have in mind. If that does not answer your question, and nobody gives a better answer here, try asking on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates where the geocoding experts presumably congregate. In the case of settlements, presumably they are all notable enough to have their own articles eventually, so wouldn't this problem solve itself? (I.e. if it turns out that some map service that scrapes Wikipedia articles for coordinates only uses one coordinate pair per article.) --Teratornis (talk) 20:18, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Image Description Contains Mistakes
Hi

I recently uploaded two images. These are Revol MSP Cover.jpg and You Stole The Sun From My Heart CD1.jpg. Under the description paragraph of the summary section, I have made a mistake in the description and don't know how to correct this.

Can Anyone help?

Thanks

JTG.Turbo (talk) 17:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Click on the image to go to the the image page. Then click edit at the top. TheGrimme (talk) 17:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I know how to edit the page but I can't seem to correct the section - "This is the Front Cover for the CD Revol (song) by the artist Manic Street Preachers. The cover art copyright is believed to belong to The copyright for this image belongs to either Epic records or the graphic artist who produced the image.."

JTG.Turbo (talk) 17:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Edit the file info page at File:You Stole The Sun From My Heart CD1.jpg. You will see the non-free use rationale within the album cover fur section. – ukexpat (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I can see the described section but not the incorrect sentence which keeps appearing in the description.

Can someone please look at the page to find out what I have done incorrectly.

JTG.Turbo (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You should omit the Owner parameter or at least "The copyright for this image belongs to either" from that parameter. More generally, I would recommend against filling out all the parameters: Article and Use are required; I would specify others only if I wanted to change the default text. —teb728 t c 18:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep it was the |Owner parameter that was causing it. I have corrected it here and here.--  Obsidi♠n   Soul   18:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Wrong information featured on Corporation Wiki.
A person is erroneously listed at my company as an officer. How can I correct this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caryntanis (talk • contribs) 18:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * www.corporationwiki.com is not Wikipedia; we have no control over them. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:36, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You might be able contact them with the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of their pages. It would probably help if you cited a reliable source for the change you want them to make. —teb728 t c 18:56, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about a page at Wikipedia, or a separate corporate wiki within your company? --ColinFine (talk) 19:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I assumed they were talking about the wiki of that name, at the URL I gave in my reply. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Yu Yu Hakusho episode list/Seasons
i am a big fan of Yu yu hakusho and own season 2 and have seen almost the whole series, and i noticed that the episodes you have listed for each season are off but i cant figure out how to edit them, season one containes episodes 1-28,(wiki has 1-25 listed) season two contains episodes 29-59(wiki lists 26-66) season three contains episodes 60-84 (wiki lists 67-93) and seson four contains episodes 85-112(wiki lists 95-112) can someone figure out how to correct this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kisa Rose (talk • contribs) 20:18, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, the article is based on the episodes (or 'sagas') as they were originally broadcasted on Fuji Television and as released on the first DVD compilations. Different television stations carrying the series may broadcast a different number of episodes in each of their own seasons which might be the cause for the discrepancy. Later DVD releases may also not follow the grouping of the original. I recommend not amending the articles as it is the way it was originally aired.--  Obsidi♠n   Soul   21:57, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Paul Pratt Biography Page
To Whomever It May Concern:

There are some biographies about a few Ragtime Composers such as May Aufderhyde, J. Will Callahan, etc., that mention the name Paul Pratt, who was a well known Composer and Arranger of that music genre. The is a link to his name on those biographies, and whenever a person clicks on his name link, it leads to a different Paul Pratt biography page. The Paul Pratt biography page is about a Canadian Classical Composer, which the Paul Pratt who worked with Ragtime Composers such as May Aufderhyde, etc., was not. The Paul Pratt who worked with some Ragtime Composers was born in America, and only composed Ragtime pieces, and some novelty ones which I believe were like Tin Pan Alley. He also was a Orchestra Conductor during the 1920s and early 30s, who conducted many Broadway Musicals. He was never a Classical Music Composer, nor was he born in Canada. His full name was Paul Charles Pratt. Some sources list him as Paul C. Pratt. He was born on Nov. 1 1889, and passed away on July 7, 1948. There is a good article about him at this link: http://www.perfessorbill.com/c​omps/ppratt.shtml Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.45.202.45 (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm confused. May Aufderheide mentions Paul Pratt but has no link on the name. We don't appear to have an article about J. Will Callahan. Can you post links to the pages where you have seen links to the wrong Paul Pratt? The only apparently wrong link I could find at Special:WhatLinksHere/Paul Pratt is on John Stillwell Stark which talks about ragtime but links the Canadian Paul Pratt. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There are also some stray non-displayed character codes in your link. It should be http://www.perfessorbill.com/comps/ppratt.shtml. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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I have read Help:Minor edit and can't find the answer: Does a minor edit go on the edit count? Edit count: here, also by clicking My preferences > Number of edits A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 22:16, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes Ryan Vesey (talk) 22:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, please see Help desk. A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 00:04, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, if both people save the same data in an article, who gets the edit? The first one? A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 02:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The first one to click Save gets a registered edit. If another afterwards clicks save with exactly the same content then it will be an unregistered null edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * to RyanVesey and RyanVesey ONLY :) A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Can someone check I've started an AfD properly?
I've just done my first AfD proposal, and I'd like someone to check that I've not messed up the procedure somewhere. (Obviously, I don't want to canvas for the AfD here, so I'll provide a link to the article: - if someone wishes to delete this request when it has been responded to, that would suit me fine). AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Dismas |(talk) 23:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The only problem I see is that you didn't notify the initial contributor. In addition, User:Miradre could be notified. Ryan Vesey (talk) 23:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Notifying Miradre might seem a little tactless . I have now notified the initial contributor

. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't notice that. I just checked and saw that they had made the most contributions to the article. Ryan Vesey (talk) 00:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing is messed up. If you want a little pedantic feedback: Your edit summary says "Proposed for deletion". That usally refers to Proposed deletion. "Nominated for deletion" would be better for AfD. WP:AFDHOWTO also mentions linking to the AfD discussion in the edit summary but that doesn't seem necessary. You didn't set the cat= parameter mentioned in point II at WP:AFDHOWTO, and documented at Afd3 starter. After the substitution you would now have to instead add the letter to REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD (without the cat= part). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll try harder next time to read all the instructions properly - or perhaps do it when I'm wider awake... AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Or use WP:Twinkle which does all the work for you. – ukexpat (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)