Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 July 17

= July 17 =

How specifically - step by step - do I literally enter a citation to support a citation request in an article.
How specifically - step by step - do I literally enter a citation to support a citation request in an article. There so much information on citations that I can't find an answer to this simple question. Okay, I want to provide a citation, how do I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angeloparra (talk • contribs) 00:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

{| class="wikitable" In brief, anywhere you want a footnote to appear in a piece of text, you place an opening tag. Note the closing slash ("/"). For multiple use of a single reference, the opening ref tag is given a name, like so: tag. Each time you want to use that footnote again, you simply use the first element with a slash, like so:. In order for these references to appear, you must tell the software where to display them, using either the code or, most commonly, the template, Reflist which can be modified to display the references in 2 or 3 columns using or. Per our style guidelines, the references should be displayed in a separate section denominated "References" located after the body of the article. Multiple citation use.
 * + Formatting references using inline citations
 * - valign="top"
 * colspan=2 | All information in Wikipedia articles should be verified by citations to reliable sources. Our preferred method of citation is using the "cite.php" form of inline citations, using the elements. Using this method, each time a particular source is mined for information (don't copy word-for-word!), a footnote is placed in the text ("inline"), that takes one to the detail of the source when clicked, set forth in a references section after the text of the article.
 * - valign="top"
 * Inline citation code; what you type in 'edit mode'
 * What it produces when you save
 * - valign="top"
 * width="300"|Two separate citations.

Thomas F. Wilson, just an FYI
I was reading the filmography of Thomas F. Wilson, of Back to the Future fame, and discovered that he is credited with being in Disney's animated feature, Peter Pan with a release date of 1953. Considering Thomas F. Wilson's date of birth is in 1959, this would defintely be one hell of an appropriate accomplishment.

Someone may want to look in to this a bit further. Maybe he was in a production of Peter Pan, but it most likely was not that particular one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.157.149 (talk) 01:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Copied comment to the article's talk page - frankie (talk) 01:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have removed the 1953 and 1961 entries. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:38, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Can't find our article that we posted in draft form and want to edit
We can't find the page that we wrote and posted (actually another member of our organization did so and I'm trying to continue and help her with the project and neither of us knows how to get back to the article). How do we get to it?### — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyFoxBluegrass (talk • contribs) 01:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you create the article under a different username? This is the only edit this username has evermade.  Can you give us the name of the article?  GB fan please tell me what you think of my editing 01:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * We need a username, a page name, an IP address (if the user wasn't logged in) or at least the topic of the article. I found User:Delicedemonpere/Grey Fox Bluegrass Festival based on your username but it's from January 2010 so I doubt it's that. See FAQ/Organizations if you want to write about your own organization. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And please note that our username policy says that Wikipedia accounts cannot be shared, as edits need to be attributable to individuals. You are very welcome to collaborate on an article (though if it is about your organisation, you should read WP:Conflict of interest first) but you should do so from individual personal accounts. --ColinFine (talk) 09:13, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Way to create an article
I've read you need to know, but I have doubts as to how the one article, for example, in relation to games, I wanted to create about Chrono Trigger (example), and for that, I do an article for each character, or a list of the characters there? As powers of each. I hope you understand, now, I have to thank them.  Gurabidon, the Brazilian  03:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand your question, but Wikipedia already has List of characters in Chrono Trigger. Information about powers of specific characters within a computer game might not be appropriate for Wikipedia, per the third point in this section about what Wikipedia is not.  This page at Wikia Gaming might be a better place to write detail about Chrono Trigger characters.  The same Wiki has other pages about other games, too.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 15:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

A template and date formats
Howdy. Would anyone reading this be willing and able to read and possibly act on a subject regarding this template? --Rockfang (talk) 03:05, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Orange Mike
Orange Mike,

I really appreciate your help but must admit I find the rules baffling. I would really appreciate some help so that my page can be improved and feel that no one else can be as accurate about my history as me. Is it possible to talk to you to discuss this? I'm not much of a computer expert as I sure you can tell. BTW, I like your orange attire. I, too, am a hippie! Have a blessed day!

Best,

Denice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denice1122 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Denice1122, We can start to answer your question by you familiarizing yourself with Conflict of interest. Cheers Mlpearc   powwow  03:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello Denice. I know it seems a bit strange, but on Wikipedia the criterion is verifiability even more than truth. If nobody can verify something your say from a public source (online say, or by visiting a library, or consulting the public record office in the appropriate place) then we cannot trust it and it shouldn't be in Wikipedia. Furthermore, there's nothing to stop me registering for a forum somewhere under your name, and saying things which are untrue about you - and only people who know you would be able to tell that I was impersonating you. (I wouldn't do this, of course, but some people do such things). So Wikipedia insists that information be both publicly available, and from reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 09:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Controlled schizophrenia is Kundalini Yoga
Please refer Licenc CC-BY-SA 3.0 research 182.48.211.60(talk) Following are references of published/accepted/presented papers for your information and necessary action-
 * 1) Paper-on "Personal Growth and Self Management" sub Theme-"Re-Engineering Training and Development efforts",24th National Convention (ISTD) from 21st to 23rd Jan 1966, at Vishakhapatnam ,was accepted to present during the convention.
 * 2) Paper on "Safety and Health Approach to HRD"during 5th National HRD Network Conference, Hyderabad from 4th to 6th Jan 1996, was accepted to present during the Conference.
 * 3) Paper on "Beyond Class Room Training"was accepted, to present during, 3 days Regional Convention on "HRD and Training"organised by MCCI and ISTD Pune Chapter.
 * 4) Paper on "Self Transcendence" at 30th ISTD National Convention (19th to 21st Jan, 2000)on Theme "Training for Transformation Stratigies for the new millenium" was published in the Convention souvenir and presented during the Convention.
 * 5) Paper on "Spiritual Approach to People Development" was published in the ISTD Regional Convention (3rd and 4th Nov 2000)Souvenir ( Theme- People Development in changing scenario in India, Challenges ,Issues and Strategies for Training and Development"} and presented during the convention.
 * 6) Paper on "Self Development and Managing change in organisation" was published in souvenir during, 32nd ISTD National Convention on "Managing the everchanging organisation from 17th to 19th Jan 2002 at Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh.

In addition to this "Misconception Schizophrenia" My Blog, was added in everydayhealth.com during this month.

The above mentioned Talk is well researched. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.211.55 (talk) 03:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * List above reformatted for clarity. --ColinFine (talk) 09:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No, they are not for my (or our) necessary action. This is an encyclopaedia which everyone can edit, but things get improved by people who want to improve them. If you think an article could or should be improved, it is most effective for you to be bold and edit it.
 * I gather that you would like some references added to an article, but you haven't told us which article. If you don't feel confident in editing the article, I suggest you bring up your ideas on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 09:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Overlapping
On the 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup article, the map and the venue chart are overlapping. I tried to align the map to see if it changed, but it didn't seem too. How can you fix it? --   Luke    Talk 04:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on your edits, it seems like you are saying the map in the "Host selection" section and the chart in "Venues" are overlapping. Is this what you are saying?  In my browser, those two are not overlapping at all.  Otherwise, can you provide a little more information on your problem? Ryan Vesey  contribs  04:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the map is supposed to be in the "Host selection" section, however, for some reason, it is moved down to the "Venues" section, where it overlaps the list of venues. It may be my browser, as you don't have the same problem. --   Luke    Talk 04:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You could also try changing your screen resolution. Ryan Vesey contribs  04:52, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It must be my browser, because I checked on Safari and it looked fine. --   Luke    Talk 04:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict, sorry about that Luke!) Definitely try changing your resolution, and try changing your browser window size (for Mac it's Ctrl for smaller and Ctrl for larger; for Windows try clicking the zoom magnifying glass in the bottom right hand corner).  A   user who has been editing Wikipedia since Thursday, October 28, 2010.  04:54, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It works now, thanks guys! --   Luke    Talk 05:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 *  A  user who has been editing Wikipedia since Thursday, October 28, 2010.  21:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Article for deletion
Hello,

I would like to know if I can delete an article which has incorrect details mainly to promote hatred towards a person. The article that I am looking at is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._P._Sundara_Rajan_alias_Valia_Swami, and this article seems to come up among the top results for the search key: sundara rajan. Data given in this article are completely incorrect and a bit offensive. Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparnasrivatsan (talk • contribs) 05:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, you can discuss if an article should be deleted here. Before you nominate an article to be deleted, read Wikipedia's deletion policy. --   Luke    Talk 05:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem to be a need anymore. It's been deleted as an attack page.  Dismas |(talk) 06:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Multiple editors working in common sandbox
I am wondering whether Wikipedia has a system for multiple editors to work collaboratively on an article in the same sandbox area, or whether they need to work separately in their individual sandboxes? Thanks in advance. dcleighton (talk) 05:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You can all agree on a sandbox on one of your subpages. As long as the article is eventually moved to the article space title, then all the article history info will go with it in the move.  Dismas |(talk) 06:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Dismas. I am glad to hear the history moves with it. I was thinking the user namespace pages were somehow not editable by others, but of course they are. dcleighton (talk) 06:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * They are editable, but it is usually frowned upon. You might want to post a note on the page with the names of the collaborators so an overworked admin doesn't revert any edits. - 194.60.106.38 (talk) 13:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Move from Commons
How do I move a media file from Commons to Wikipedia? ColderPalace1925 (talk) 05:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's rare that you would ever have to. You can use the same code to display a file from Commons as you would from WP.  Why don't you describe what you're trying to do and we might be able to give you a better or more precise answer.  Dismas |(talk) 06:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Blocking User:Jimbo Wales
Is it technically/practically for sysops to block User:Jimbo Wales? Will they? ColderPalace1925 (talk) 06:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it it possible, but only if they do not wish to be administrators anymore, as they would surely lose that privilege soon afterwords. Calmer   Waters  06:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing quite so extreme if it was done by accident. See WP:STOCKS for someone who has done it before.  Dismas |(talk) 11:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * But if it was not an accident but justified in terms of policy? What then? DuncanHill (talk) 11:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Surely if the community decided it was warranted they would try to enforce it. I'd hope he'd be gracious/sensible enough to accept this if the community decided it was necessary (touch wood, it never will be). Didn't Jimbo Wales once lose some admin powers on commons after deleting some controversial images without community backing/consensus? Not the same as blocking, but shows he can be at the community's mercy. Rehevkor ✉ 11:27, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not likely to happen. Jimbo doesn't often involve himself in Wikipedia affairs, and much less so even in editing articles.  Jimbo would have to do something to run afoul of Wikipedia policy, and that prospect seems highly unlikely, given that he doesn't do much in the day-to-day operation of Wikipedia anymore.  His main role with Wikipedia/Wikimedia Foundation seems to be largely as the "Chief Spokesman-Emeritus", i.e. as the public face of the organization, but one who doesn't deal with little stuff like editing articles or getting involved in petty disputes.  -- Jayron  32  19:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Arcola MS
Hello, I would like to update this site and encourage my citizen to read it. I am the Mayor of Arcola. I became Mayor in 2009. If I can help make Arcola MS page more appealing, let me know.

Mayor Cora Burnside — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clsb2009 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to contribute, but you should read WP:FAQ/Organizations first. You might not think that your community is like a company or organization, but from the point of view of Wikipedia the issues of conflict of interest, copyright and self-promotion are just as relevant. We would like the Arcola, Mississippi page (have I got the right one? I am not in the US, so I get confused about state abbreviations, especially the ones starting with M) to be as full, accurate, well-referenced and well-illustrated as it can be consistent with its being an encyclopaedia article not a promotional website. Any relevant photographs would be welcome, as long as either they are in the public domain or the copyright holder is willing to release them on a suitable licence. --ColinFine (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Although you should take care as shown above, be bold! 109.145.183.52 (talk) 09:41, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Clsb2009, I've dropped you a note on your talk page. I'll be happy to give you a hand, the advice above is someone to definitely keep in mind. ColinFine: In regards to state abbreviations starting with M, there are a *lot* of USAians in the same boat. :)Naraht (talk) 00:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * List of U.S. state abbreviations may help. --Teratornis (talk) 01:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Rowspan in Filmography
Hello, I would like to ask can if i put rowspan in years of films or tv shows?Like if there is two movie in the same year could i rowspan it?For example Harry Potter and Transformer came out on the same year could i rowspan both of that in actor or actress Films?Thank you.--Mitten (talk) 08:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course you can. For the code, see here.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  10:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You can but not if you want the filmography to be sortable. I believe WikiProject Films is going through the effort of making all filmographies sortable.  Dismas |(talk) 10:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's WP:ACTOR actually. DMacks (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Edward Scissorhands (dance) San Francisco Chronicle references appearing as bare URLs
At Edward Scissorhands (dance), two San Francisco Chronicle references are appearing as bare URLs in addition to properly linking the titles. I don't know how to fix this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The title parameter in the cite web templates contained "Edward Scissorhands'' instead of "Edward Scissorhands". I don't understand why that caused the problem, but fixing that solved the problem.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 15:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thx.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

inks to printer ?
Hi can you tell me what printers are for sale that use  the color ink  cartridge ET-052 and black 105 please. Regards Mike Saunders — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.135.202 (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * [[Image:P computing.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps.  doom gaze   (talk)  14:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Please repair Altoona, PA page for me!
I attempted to remove the phrase, "Pom Wonderful Presents :The Greatest Movie Ever Sold"  from the top of the Altoona page. I appear to have screwed up the format of the first paragraph. Can someone please repair this for me?

Mr sandoz (talk) 14:54, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ (by somebody else).  Rcsprinter  (talk)  15:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Range block request
Is the proper place to request an IP range block at WP:AVI or some other forum?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It'd probably be better at WP:ANI. — G FOLEY   F OUR!  — 19:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try there.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia layout
The layout and font of Wikipedia are different on my computer to everyone else's. The font appears bigger, and the layout of the pages has changed. For example, there is no sidebar or bar along the top. These are located at the bottom of the page instead. Have I changed to a different, lower quality graphics setting or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gloworm 44 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it's the same, but I recently had a problem with the formatting of Wikipedia (and of CNN) on my computer, and deleting all temporary internet files (cache) fixed it. Not that I understand how it happened, although I'm fairly certain I know what did it.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Malicious program in my computer
I am only recently having a problem with editing WP (last few days), in that when I edit (hopefully it won't happen here), words like "P u r f u m e", etc. (here I intentionally separated each letter with a space) turn into a hyperlink to ads. They are the same blue color as WPs blue links, with a throbbing, dashed underline. It also tends to delete words such as other instances of the above example that are on the page, hyperlinking only the one remaining. I saved one edit by accident and had to revert myself, because it made these alterations I didn't mean to make. Has anyone had this problem; know how it can be removed from my computer? I have taken the steps of removing any recent software, applications and Windows updates with no effect, and Norton Anti-virus isn't picking it up as a virus. Any feedback would be appreciated, as this hampers my editing substantially here. (by the way, this hyperlinking effect goes on anywhere I go on the web - normally I just ignore it, but it makes editing WP sometimes impossible) Thanks, Hamamelis (talk) 16:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You certainly have caught something. Do you have a restore point you can go to? For example in Windows see here. Norton also provides this feature in some versions, if you have it turned on. With this, you can restore to a version before the problems started but of course you will lose anything you've downloaded, written, etc. in the interim. If it's only a few items you could email them to yourself and once you restore, download them while scanning them for viruses/malware. This is just some general advice and I am by no means an expert on computer problems. You might want to seek that expert advice at the computing section of the reference desk.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Generally speaking, restoring to a previous point does not remove user documents.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I will also post this to WP:RD/C as suggested above, as well as watch here. Hamamelis (talk) 17:05, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

General John A.Logan and the BATTLE OF ATLANTA cyclorama
I am writing the first book from the American point of view about 19th century rotunda panoramas. These were the biggest paintings in the world, 50 x 400=20,000 square feet, housed in their own rotundas which were 16-sided polygons. Chicago in 1893 had 6 panorama rotundas and 6 panorama companies. The WIKIPEDIA site for General John A.Logan states that he commissioned the BATTLE OF ATLANTA panorama for his 1884 v.p.campaign. I have studied this subject for a decade and have yet to find any mention of this so-called fact (more likely an 'urban myth') Logan's v.p.campaign was in 1884. William Wehner's panorama crew came to USA from Germany, Switzerland and Austria under contract in 1885. Wehner produced two units of MISSIONARY RIDGE, for Chicago debut[MR 1885] and Cleveland [MR 1886] Wehner produced two units of ATLANTA,for Minneapolis debut(ATLANTA 1886) and Detroit debut(ATLANTA 1887) Wehner produced four units of JERUSALEM ON THE DAY OF THE CRUCIFIXION in 1886 (Chicago debut),1887 (Minneapolis debut),1888(Buffalo debut, later London),and 1889 (intended for Mexico City). Two editions of the MINNEAPOLIS TRIBUNE September 3,1886 p.2/September 5,1886 tells of Logan's visit to ATLANTA 1886 in Minneapolis. Logan died December 26,1886 in Washington,D.C. My ancestor was an artist/model in William Wehner's panorama studio located in downtown Milwaukee. And the F.W.Heine diary 1879-1921 is the only narrative of a panorama studio, that of William Wehner. If there is proof that Logan commissioned Wehner to produce the BATTLE OF ATLANTA panorama,please let me know18:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genemeier (talk • contribs)
 * Hello. I notice that you have not brought up this issue on the discussion pages for John A. Logan or Atlanta Cyclorama. These discussion pages would be the preferred places to pose this question, as it is through these discussions that you will find other experts on the topic. Happy editing, hajat  vrc  with WikiLove @ 18:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * But generally, if there is material in the article which is unreferenced, and you believe to be false, you can just deleted it - make sure you put a suitable explanation in your edit summary, or else somebody (or a bot) may mistake your removal for vandalism. It's even better if you have some correct and referenced information to replace it with!
 * If the material that you think is wrong appears to be referenced to a normally reliable source, it would be better to open a discussion on the talk page rather than just removeing it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Saint Anne
The Wikipedia article on Saint Anne cites my book with the title incorrectly written.

Wikipedia has it as follows: ^ Virginia Nixon, Mary's Mother: Saint Hanna in Late Medieval Europe (University Park, Pennsylvania: Pennsylvania State University Press), 12-14.

The correct title is Virginia Nixon, Mary's Mother: Saint Anne in Late Medieval Europe (University Park, Pennsylvania: Pennsylvania State University Press.)

For verification put in the correct title (Saint Anne in ...) and my name and you will find numerous references on Google. Or look at the Penn State Press website.

Thanks

Virginia Nixon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.129.201 (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Dab page and redirect
Right now we have Elk City (disambiguation) redirecting to Elk City, and I feel it should be the other way around. I cannot move the page because the target exists; is it good if I just swap the contents with copy/paste? And how should it go about the categories that are present at each page? - frankie (talk) 22:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't copy/paste - then you lose the history, notes, and attribution. Instead, follow the instructions at WP:SWAP. Singularity42 (talk) 22:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This would be correct as it is in my eyes per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There is no apparent primary topic to inhabit the Elk City page so this should act as the disambiguation page. An Elk City (disambiguation) article would be redundant. Also, do not perform copy paste moves, it obfuscates the article histories which can bring copyright and attribution issues, see WP:CUTPASTE, if technical restrictions are preventing a move, such as in this case, you can request an admin perform the move at Requested moves, although this is usually only for uncontroversial moves. 22:57, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answers. After reading WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I agree it is now how it should be. Good to know about WP:SWAP, too - frankie (talk) 23:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)