Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 July 18

= July 18 =

why hasnt any medication / therapy helped for my ptsd?
iv had a violent, abusive life. im 51, i wittneesed my sister get hit / carried on car and thrown off and killed, she just turned 16, i wasnt quite 15, im almost 52 years old!!!!!!!! iv been on every medication known to man, iv seen every mental health proffessonals over and over, iv been through cog thearapy, there isnt anything iv not tried, (except ect or hypnoses), my life story is too long to get into, but im reaching my limit now, mentally if it were not for my daughter, 2 sons, id take my life in a heart beat!!!!!!! although not ruled out. iv had my share of grief, ptsd, sadness ect ect ect, im done!!!!! i have not lived a 'normal' life ever!!!!! my frustration im not findind happiness is beyond description, my life befor my sister was killed consisted of alcholic abusive father, when i saw her ripped from next to me by drunk driver, (i lost my mind that night, i screamed so long and hard, to this very day it comes back i was never given help then and sought help myself in my late 30's, now in 50's im no closer to normality now), after she died i went into self distruct mode, i hurt and lost everyone who cared, and have 1 friend now. im tired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im tired of repeating a life that is nothing but hell, then and now!!!!!!!!!!!!! im tired of drugs that just make me more life less, i cant work, i have no motivation, not an ounce of well being or having the strength mentally or physically to moove, and im tired of drugs that make me over anxious, i either cant sleep, or i sleep weeks away, ALL I WANT IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE STRENGTH LITTERALLY, MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY, TO GET UP / TO WANT TO GET UP'' / TO WORK / TO FUNCTION!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT WANT HAPPILLALY EVER AFTER, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE / ACCEPT ADVERSITY, AND 'MOVE ON' TO LAUGH AGAIN, ALL I WANT / NEED IS TO LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DYNIBG CANT COME QUICK ENOUGH, IM NOT PRODUCTIVE, IM LONELY, IM SOOOOOOOOO TIRED OF SOBBING AND IV LOST ANY HOPE OF BEING 'BETTER'' 20 ODD YEARS OF THERAPY / MEDICATION!!!!!!!! ALL TO NO AVAIL. IS IT POSSIBLE, MY BRAIN JUST DOSNT HAVE WHAT IT NEEDS TO 'LIVE'? EVEN NOW AS I TYPE, IM THINKING, IM WASTING MY TIME, THERE IS JUST TOO MUCH TO EXPLAIN, PLEASE HELP MW???????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angel181959 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer, and contact an appropriate medical professional. Roger (talk) 07:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for your situation, but I'm afraid we are just guys on the internet that don't know you. Even if we made suggestions, why would you want to trust them? --ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

How to add our event on Wikimedia?
Greetings from Dental South China International Expo,17th Dental South China Expo will be held on 7-10 March 2012. Since we know Wikimedia is a great promoter, we are interested in displaying our expo information on your website. Could you tell me how to get our expo promoted for free? Or any other project? Highly appreciate if you reply my question to  asap! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dental2011 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a means of promotion. (I have removed your email address to protect your privacy.) -- John of Reading (talk) 09:17, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * ... and, secondly, please read WP:CORPNAME. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Colorpuncture page edit- alternative view point not given space
On this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorpuncture I put an edit in which is a reference to a biophysicist, Phd, scientist and author Dr. James Oschman who offered a compilation of research which validated the modality of colorpuncture in verifiable and empirically gathered data. I myself have been practicing the modality since 22 years. It would be basically the ONLY piece of info on that page which validates the modality, all other bits in the "reception" area are invalidations. It was not included. The invalidations come from people who are not scientists, and who have not offered the same kind of scientifically gathered data, but rather they are offering statements some of which are incorrect about the research on the effects of light in the body. For instance Fritz Popp's research was also tossed out, saying it has not been verified. That's simply incorrect. The person offering that has not looked into it, because Fritz Popp's research has been accepted in Europe. If "verification" means approval by the American FDA, then the idea of verification is bogus. It seems wiwkipedia has an editorial policy about this modality. Or- what is the reason that edit is not being included? Jscboulder (talk) 12:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I reverted your edit and regret that you disagreed with it. You could have sent me a message or placed a note on the article's talk page. I am a scientist and a long time contributer to WP. I do not follow anybody elses's "editorial policy" (WP doesn't have one). I have encountered the work of Oschman before. As far as I can tell, he makes a living selling books (books are not peer-reviewed scientific sources) about various alternative medicine practices that have not been proved effective (or have been proved ineffective). He makes only fleeting reference to colorpuncture in his book, so I see no reason to say that he "lists it" as anything. Your edit was extremely vague and contained several terms ("dynamic systems", "body/mind", "wholeness") that I consider alternative medicine 'red flags'. Famousdog (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion would be best on the article's Talk page, or if agreement cannot be reached, going to dispute resolution. But please read Wikipedia's policies on Verification (which means something different from what you are assuming) and also see WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE. --ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikitable sortable
Hello, I would like to ask Why wikitable sortable are not allow to put rowspan?Because someone told me wikitable sortable are not allowed to put "rowspan".I wanna know why.Thank you --Mitten (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Because the software is not (yet?) clever enough to make it work:


 * Try it! -- John of Reading (talk) 15:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

But i Edit a film with wikitable sortable and that guy told me wikitable sortable are not allowed to put rowspam.is that my mistake?--Mitten (talk) 16:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you took a sortable Wikitable, and you added a "rowspan" parameter to it, you messed it up. It's not that big of a deal, if you understand that it messes up the table then just don't do it again.  No one expects everyone to be perfect at Wikipedia, nor does anyone expect (even most people) to know the really technical stuff like this.  You made a mistake.  No big deal.  -- Jayron  32  16:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * "Not allowed" in the sense of "If you try it, it will break things, so don't do it". --ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you click on the sort buttons at the top of the example table John of Reading gave, you'll see that you get weird funny results. And it gets more messed up if you keep on hitting different sort buttons. I think when he said "Try it!" he meant try clicking on the table like a reader would do. Cloveapple (talk) 18:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Could somebody please check this diff?
I'd appreciate it if somebody could look at these 2 diffs. It's the 2nd I wonder about, just including the first for context. I'm not familiar enough with what the right responses to the second edit are so I'm asking for somebody more experienced to take a look. and. Cloveapple (talk) 15:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I see that has reverted it and given a level 1  warning. You could discuss the issue at User talk:Syrthiss, perhaps? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahh, he or she must have done that revert after I came here to ask. Nice to see people are so fast. I've no opinion on what the response should have been, just knew one was needed. Thanks, Cloveapple (talk) 15:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't know how I missed the revert. I see it did come before my question.Cloveapple (talk) 15:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

to understand abt new website abt saam learning---
Dear Sir, I am from India,want it to understand about saami language.I got this e mail from net plz suggest me good website for understand north saami language.I will always thankful to you.I want to tell in saami -(i am well.how are you? you are my best friend in world!plz smile!) will u plz send this translation.send answer (Email address removed)
 * [[Image:P literature.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Language reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. (Your email address has been removed to protect your privacy) -- John of Reading (talk) 16:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You might start with Saami language (which incidentally shows that there are several different Saami (or Sami) languages, not just one). --ColinFine (talk) 18:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Time is off 1 hour
The time of posting registers 14:18 but it is actually 15:18. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvpwiki (talk • contribs) 19:22, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You can adjust this by going to "My preferences", "Date and time" tab, and adjusting your time zone. This will fix the times shown on history and contributions pages. The times shown in timestamped signatures, as on this page, will continue to be shown as UTC times. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is also an option in My preferences, under the Gadgets tab, that converts the time stamps in signatures into your local time as well (see here. &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 20:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Spoiler Option for Wikipedia
I wanted those at Wikipedia to consider a spoiler option in the articles because time and time again I have perused an article such as Hell's Kitchen most recently where under the seasons section it immediately reveals the winner of the competition in a very open manor where someone such as myself can easily notice the said spoiler. An option to fix this is to add an easy to use spoiler drop down option which displays what is hidden by the add-on.

72.200.28.205 (talk) 19:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)William Sobol
 * Thank you for your suggestion. This has been discussed in the past on Wikipedia- you may find this guide or this guide informative. TN X Man  19:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Confused about new articles/articles for creation/talk article etc.
I think I may have created duplicate pages because I'm confused about the difference between simply creating a new article, creating an "article for creation," and creating a talk article. From what I can tell nothing happens with my pages and I'm not sure how to tell if they are successfully published or not. If I search for the article name in wikipedia nothing comes up so I'm uncertain how to get my articles approved. I'm also concerned that I will be blocked for creating duplicate pages. Please help. Thanks!

- dvbyrne re: South American Silver Corp article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dvbyrne (talk • contribs) 19:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you have posted three copies of the article - the others are at Articles for creation/South American Silver Corp. and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/South American Silver Corp.. That's easily fixed - please don't worry about that!
 * However, this Google search tells me that you may be the "Investor Relations and Administration Assistant" for the corporation. This is a problem, because Wikipedia articles about companies are not usually written by representatives of those companies, but by independent volunteer editors working from news reports and such like. I suggest you read through the FAQ page for organisations, which explains the issues much better than I can do it here.
 * I suspect that the article will be deleted, I'm afraid, because it does not explain how the company is notable enough to have a place in an encyclopedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the article will be deleted, I'm afraid, because it does not explain how the company is notable enough to have a place in an encyclopedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Here are links to the three locations you are referring to:
 * South American Silver Corp
 * Articles for creation/South American Silver Corp.
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/South American Silver Corp.
 * The first one is the typical mainspace location, where articles normally reside. It looks like you created this article correctly, though I haven't examined it based on our policies of inclusion.  The second one is an optional location for users who want to start working on an article but don't want it to be "official" yet, so that it can have a chance to improve before coming under more intense scrutiny.  The third location is meant for a discussion of the article - see Help:Using talk pages.
 * Don't be worried about being blocked; we have a policy to assume good faith so someone with good intentions isn't punished.
 * You can also find pages you have worked on by using the user contributions page - there is a link up in the top right corner called "My contributions". I hope I was able to answer some of your questions.  &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 20:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Isn't listing on a stock exchange such as Toronto a credible claim of importance sufficient to survive an A7 speedy? – ukexpat (talk) 20:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the duplicate in Articles for Creation makes a speedy justifiable, though maybe it should have been under housekeeping rationale. &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 20:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, we've never held that a mere exchange listing (not even the NYSE) is not in any way an assertion of notability. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  02:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe not notability, but importance? Calmer   Waters  02:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia knows of no such thing: see Importance &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 12:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the helpful information. I see that the main page has been deleted. I understand that being a publicily listed company doesn't necessarily equal notability, but South American Silver Corp has gained recognition for having one of the largest known undeveloped silver and indium resources - and in particular for having such a large resource of primary indium. As the resource is located in Bolivia, the company also received additional attention recently due to the political climate there. I cited various independant sources for this article. Any thoughts on whether that would deem the company notable enough for an article to stand? Would it help if I highlighted these factors more clearly and prominently in the article? Again, I appreciate the tips/guidelines. Dvbyrne (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

"You Can Ask for It To Be Created" info
I seached for a recording artist by name and got the following reply:

You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.

I then clicked on the "You can ask for it to be created" link but when it opened there was no area to request the info on the artist to be created, who to ask, anything at all.

So HOW do you ask someone to create the article, press info, bio, etc of an artist ?

His name is Gary Delz and he is a Texas resident if anyone wants to do the article I guess ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.234.21.36 (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The link goes to Articles for creation which says: "If you have an idea for the title of an article, but no content for the article itself, please see Requested articles." Follow the link, find the right section for the topic, and click "edit" to the right of the section heading. However, there are thousands of requests and few volunteers working on them.
 * If you want to write suggested content for the article and can satisfy Notability (music) then you have a better chance. Start by clicking the big "Create an article now!" at Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

changing language
hello there,

I want to to know how can I translate an article in my language and add it on the left list which contains all the languages in which the article has been translated..

any help would be appreciated, thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigersonification (talk • contribs) 22:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See the links under WP:EIW, and Help:Interlanguage links. See the List of Wikipedias to find the one in your language. On that wiki there may be pages that explain how to translate articles from other Wikipedias, especially from the large ones such as the English Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 22:17, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There are also WikiProjects here on the English Wikipedia for many countries of the world. See the WikiProjects for the country or countries where your language predominates. There you should find other editors who have probably translated some articles from English, who can advise you how to help. --Teratornis (talk) 22:21, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

language
I am interested in reading an article I found on the German Wik but need it in English. Is there any way to do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.215.170.167 (talk) 22:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This is only possible, if an equivalent article exists on the english Wikipedia. If this is the case, then there should be a link (usually on the left side of the page) where it says "In anderen Sprachen". Click on "Englisch" and you should get to the english equivalent of the German article. If this is not possible, you can try entering the url of the article into Google translator. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 22:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

County categories on highway pages
When editing pages on state highways, should I add the categories of the counties that the road passes through, such as in Farm to Market Road 59?  Theking 17825  23:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Try asking your question at Wikipedia talk:Categorization. The editors watching that page will be more likely to give you a good answer. Ryan Vesey  contribs  01:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks  Theking 17825  02:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

First True Native Americans.........
The First True Native Americans are a State recognized tribe. We were recognized by the state of Louisiana since 1989. It was presented to the house of Representatives by Congressman Charles Dewitt. I have the legal documentation if you would like to see it. Your site list us as a unrecognized tribe. I have removed this once already. But it was put back on again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayscot1 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, this is not "your (our) site"; it is a wiki that is upkept by thousands and thousands of people of practically every background on this planet.
 * Second, this is an issue to be brought up on the talk page of the article in question. There you will find the editors who regularly watch and edit that article.
 * Generally, the way to affect change on this site is to provide reliable sources that support your argument. Without citing sources, you are likely to have your work reverted. Happy editing, hajat  vrc  with WikiLove @ 00:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * If you don't show the other editors the supporting legal documentation, they're not going to know you're right. Make sure others can check your work. - 194.60.106.17 (talk) 08:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)